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Texas To Allow Guns On Campus  
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7670 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Quote:
Texas is preparing to give college students and professors the right to carry guns on campus, adding momentum to a national campaign to open this part of society to firearms.

More than half of the members of the Texas House are co-authors of a measure directing universities to allow concealed handguns. The Senate passed a similar bill in 2009 and is expected to do so again.

Republican Gov. Rick Perry, who sometimes packs a pistol when he jogs, says he supports the idea.

Texas is one of about a dozen states considering the idea and has become a prime battleground because of its gun culture and size.

It would become the second state, following Utah, to pass such a broad-based law. Colorado gives colleges the option, and several allow handguns.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10707751


Why, if you ask me this is just going to lead to more Columbine style massacres, think about it a kid gets pissed at his grades pull his .45 from his backpack and ices his professor then goes postal on the rest of the class.

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User currently offlinedl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
Why, if you ask me this is just going to lead to more Columbine style massacres, think about it a kid gets pissed at his grades pull his .45 from his backpack and ices his professor then goes postal on the rest of the class.

Are you certain "kids" will be allowed to bring guns to school?

That one who is going to commit murder was already bringing the gun to class. This allows the students of legal age and with the appropriate carry permit to bring their firearm with them to school.

One more things. There are tens of thousands of US military veterans in schools throughout the US who would object to being referred to as a "kid" and treated as though the were incapable of safely handing firearms in high pressure situations.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

I'm not opposed to this but I do have to wonder that if another shootout were to happen, how would law enforcement distinguish the "good" students trying to shoot up the "bad" student/s in the midst of a firefight?

User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3873 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
Why, if you ask me this is just going to lead to more Columbine style massacres, think about it a kid gets pissed at his grades pull his .45 from his backpack and ices his professor then goes postal on the rest of the class

I'm more worried about what is more likely to occur: the increased likelihood of random injuries, and accidental deaths from gun misfirings and accidents. And then there's what happens when you throw alcohol in the mix....the possibility of some wasted kids screwing around with their gun and killing/hurting someone accidentally is far more likely than a columbine style massacre. We have enough of a problem with college kids drinking and driving--we don't need to throw in lethal weapons as well.


User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

Quoting dl021 (Reply 1):

Are you certain "kids" will be allowed to bring guns to school?

That one who is going to commit murder was already bringing the gun to class. This allows the students of legal age and with the appropriate carry permit to bring their firearm with them to school.

I agree. I'm not legally supposed to carry a weapon to my classes right now, however, I can easily bring a handgun to class because no one checks and no one would know unless I sat it on the desk. There is no security or no metal detectors etc. So really, the kid who legally carries a firearm to class is a lot safer than you think. It's the ones carrying guns to class illegally that you worry about.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
I'm not opposed to this but I do have to wonder that if another shootout were to happen, how would law enforcement distinguish the "good" students trying to shoot up the "bad" student/s in the midst of a firefight?

Every argument has it's pros and cons, and yours is a perfect con. This situation that you highlight is a key reason why most Colleges and Universities don't allow firearms to be worn/carried on campus, and it makes perfect sense. If I had my pistol legally and some deranged lunatic started shooting at people randomly, i'd definitely fire back. But when the cops are called, how will they be able to tell the difference?

The good thing though is that I think even though they might pass the legislation in Texas, it's still up to the individual Universities on whether or not they want to allow firearms on their campus, and i'm thinking the overwhelming majority will be saying NO. So in the end I don't really see it as that big of a deal. However, there should be a ton of lawsuits from students who want to carry firearms on campus ( good time to be a lawyer, maybe I should go to law school).



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

I am all for gun rights, but for the same reasons many private establishments ban guns on their premises, the same should be true of students at campuses. Teachers and other staff, ok, but not students. The school administration needs to regulate the presence of guns in their campus and having thousands of students carrying guns (and I know the majority will not) is impossible to manage.

In the confines of their own homes, it's up to the students. In the confines of other's, they need to follow house rules. Colorado's stance should be followed: give colleges the option to allow something like this, but let them make decisions for themselves.

No one-size fits all.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21798 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 3):

These are my concerns as well - I'm really not that worried about someone suddenly deciding to go on a rampage because they have a gun in their backpack. I've seen a lot of people in college who I wouldn't trust to handle a firearm responsibly. Likewise, I've seen a lot more people who I would trust, but since it's difficult for the law to discriminate between the two, I'm inclined to err on the cautious side.

-Mir



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11496 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

If I were a student in a Texas school, I would transfer out of the state.

This crazed notion that "one more gun" would end the gun violence from a nutcase or other shooter was proven bunk when a man carrying a gun at the Tuscon rally nearly killed the people who had captured the actual gunman who shot Con. Giffords.

I don't want to be anywhere near untrained people with guns.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10804 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Is this true or bad propaganda against trigger-happy Texas? Sometimes I wonder whats with the brains of the decisionmakers in some parts of the US.

User currently offlineengineergreg From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

According to the article, it would be giving college and university students the right to carry, not kids in elementary school. That has been the case here in Colorado for years without a single incident. I will also point out that the Columbine shooting took place on an elementary school/high school campus where guns are prohibited.

User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
If I were a student in a Texas school, I would transfer out of the state.

I'm a college student in Texas and will not be fleeing the state.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I don't want to be anywhere near untrained people with guns.

Look up Texas CHL laws.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 4):
I agree. I'm not legally supposed to carry a weapon to my classes right now, however, I can easily bring a handgun to class because no one checks and no one would know unless I sat it on the desk. There is no security or no metal detectors etc. So really, the kid who legally carries a firearm to class is a lot safer than you think. It's the ones carrying guns to class illegally that you worry about.

Bingo.

Colton Tooley managed to run into the library with an AK-47 and blow his head off. Gun laws regarding carrying a firearm on the Capital Metro bus that he rode on to campus did a lot, as well as laws prohibiting the possession of a firearm on a campus.

[Edited 2011-02-21 13:00:26]

User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I don't want to be anywhere near untrained people with guns.

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? Do you really think CCW holders are simply "untrained people with guns?" The untrained people are the ones who were already bringing guns to class, despite what the law may say.



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User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
Why, if you ask me this is just going to lead to more Columbine style massacres, think about it a kid gets pissed at his grades pull his .45 from his backpack and ices his professor then goes postal on the rest of the class.

They are adults who can already legally own the firearms in question and carry them in public. This legislation simply expands "public" to include public universities. Much ado about nothing.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

At the end of the day, if someone wants to commit a crime, or violent act on a school campus they will do so with or without it being illegal to posses a weapon.

All this law does is allow law abiding adults (remember we are talking about university here, not elementary school) to carry their fire arms just as they may potentially do at nearby restaurants, malls, parks, or other public areas.



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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
think about it a kid gets pissed at his grades pull his .45 from his backpack and ices his professor then goes postal on the rest of the class.

Ok:

Think about it, a driver gets pissed at somebody cutting him off, pulls his .45 from his holster, and 'ices' the guy in front of him, then goes postal on the freeway.

Think about it, a shopper gets pissed at the manager, pulls his .45 from his pocket, and 'ices' the manager and then goes postal on the rest of the store.

Lets ban guns everywhere then!!1!!!eleven!!

Of course, under current law, this could happen anyway:

Think about it, a kid gets pissed at his grades, pulls out his .45 WHICH HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BEGIN WITH, and 'ices' his professor and then goes postal on the rest of the class.

Can't ban guns... they're already banned in the classroom... whatchya gonna do now?

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
If I were a student in a Texas school, I would transfer out of the state.

I'm sure they wouldn't mind all that much. Same goes for anybody else - unless its a mass exodus, I doubt they'll mind much.

The department I work for (part time as a student assistant) just purchased $10,000 in miscellanious junk and it was pure pocket change. Loosing a few students who pay ~$5,000 per semester for in-state tuition isn't a huge deal.

Just like all those people who were going to leave if Bush got elected to a second term, I doubt you'd follow through with your actions.

[Edited 2011-02-21 13:20:24]


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

This is insane, to say the least.

More guns, more death. More death, less security for all. Face it. You're safer when no one has a gun than when everyone else has one, too.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Aren't people who have permits in Texas over 21 and passed a firearm course? Nothing in this article says these two requirements have or will be changed. Why should anyone in college who meet these two requirements be denied their constitutional right?

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/chl-16.pdf

Quoting Thorben (Reply 15):
You're safer when no one has a gun than when everyone else has one, too.

Tell that to your neighbours (Switzerland). How come almost everyone there has automatic weapons at home..but we never hear of anything happening? By your logic..there should be massacres happening everyday in Switzerland right...?  

Its not the gun..its the idiot who is pulling the trigger that's the problem.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 15):
More guns, more death. More death, less security for all. Face it. You're safer when no one has a gun than when everyone else has one, too.

Considering the criminal element will always have guns, I'd much rather know my fellow citizens can be well armed and serve as a deterrent, or respond to any acts.

Would you rob, or create a problem at this coffee shop here in Los Angeles, if you had people standing around like this?




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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10804 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

No guns, no shooting I would say.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Would you rob, or create a problem at this coffee shop here in Los Angeles, if you had people standing around like this?

Not so much, but I would drink my coffee elsewhere. This sight is frightening in any place but one that is mad anyway.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12801 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2753 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 16):
Its not the gun..its the idiot who is pulling the trigger that's the problem.



So you're saying there are a lot more idiots in America than Switzerland?   



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Would you rob, or create a problem at this coffee shop here in Los Angeles, if you had people standing around like this?

If I saw someone standing around a coffee shop like that, I'd get the hell outta Dodge as fast as my feet could carry me, and find a coffee shop where they don't let guys stand around like that. Some guy walks in to rob the place, and everybody gets caught in the crossfire as the good guys in the white hats try to take out the bad guy in the black hat. I thought John Wayne died several years ago.

No thanks.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10804 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 16):
Its not the gun..its the idiot who is pulling the trigger that's the problem.

Like Aids? Its not the virus, its the one who "pulls the trigger"?

Sorry, but your wellknown lobbyist quote is like saying after a nuclear war it wasnt the bomb, it was that idiot at the red button.

Only if there is a gun it will be used. If there is no gun...


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I don't want to be anywhere near untrained people with guns.

The vast majority of gun owners have some sort of training, especially if they have a concealed weapons permit.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 20):
Some guy walks in to rob the place,

Oh please, do you honestly, seriously think a thief is stupid enough to want to rob a random coffee shop with a man armed with a clearly visible AR-15 rifle slung in his back?   

Quoting na (Reply 21):
it was that idiot at the red button.

Atomic bombs sure just don't spontaneously explode on their own  cheeky 

[Edited 2011-02-21 14:03:40]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Quoting na (Reply 18):
Not so much, but I would drink my coffee elsewhere. This sight is frightening in any place but one that is mad anyway.
Quoting Arrow (Reply 20):
If I saw someone standing around a coffee shop like that, I'd get the hell outta Dodge as fast as my feet could carry me, and find a coffee shop where they don't let guys stand around like that.

You guys better find another state or county.

Open carry laws are pretty standard, and then you have people that can carry concealed weapons also. So I don't think you'll every quite find a public place that is guaranteed gun free. And then even if you did, its likely the guy intent on robbing you or your home is still armed anyways.

Having guns in society does not bother me. What bothers me much are half-assed laws (think Chicago) that restrict lawful citizens from arming themselves to protect their homes and families while criminals have carte blanche knowing they are unlikely to ever come up against a person that can fight back with a weapon.

Anyhow - what is that saying? An armed society is a polite society.



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting dl021 (Reply 1):

That one who is going to commit murder was already bringing the gun to class. This allows the students of legal age and with the appropriate carry permit to bring their firearm with them to school.

It is a lot easier to start shooting in moment of madness than it is to go home, get your gun, and return (with time to think rationally between). Having more people carrying weapons legally is only going to increase the number there, and therefore the chances of someone flipping out.

Quoting dl021 (Reply 1):

One more things. There are tens of thousands of US military veterans in schools throughout the US who would object to being referred to as a "kid" and treated as though the were incapable of safely handing firearms in high pressure situations.

That is true, and they are indeed well trained in the use of weapons, but the snag is that the law applies to anyone, so it is not just limiting it to those extensively trained in the use of the weapon.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 14):

Can't ban guns... they're already banned in the classroom... whatchya gonna do now?

Isn't the point of this that they won't be banned in the college classroom any more? Besides, you aren't necessarily in the classroom when you get your grades.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 16):
Tell that to your neighbours (Switzerland). How come almost everyone there has automatic weapons at home..but we never hear of anything happening?

Was that deliberately topical? If not allow me to fill in that they recently had a referendum on gun control due to rising firearm homicides. Compared to the UK Switzerland has approximately the same number of homicides per capita, but 5 times as many involving firearms (link below). They are not high on the chart, but equally not low either. I would gamble that the reason the number of firearm related crime is comparatively low is that the guns they have are pretty much all owned by people bestowed with military standard weapons training, a case pretty much unique in the world.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
Not yesterday's data but not ancient either.

EDIT:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):

Would you rob, or create a problem at this coffee shop here in Los Angeles, if you had people standing around like this?

Yes, if desperate enough (through drugs etc). All that guy does is make himself target number one, the thief has the element of surprise after all.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 22):

The vast majority of gun owners have some sort of training, especially if they have a concealed weapons permit.

Yes, but not necessarily military training. It is one thing to competently handle a weapon in stress free situations, it is a different thing to do so with discipline in high stress situations.

[Edited 2011-02-21 14:13:44]

[Edited 2011-02-21 14:22:36]

25 Post contains images Arrow : Bottom line -- it's your country and you can do whatever you like. If pistol-packing Starbucks customers turn you on, more power to you. But as a vis
26 luv2fly : If any states is/was to allow this, Texas is the one.
27 na : How sad you have to say that of your own country. Sounds like surrender. Isnt Texas also the place that executes more of its citizens than any other
28 Post contains links and images LAXintl : Indeed you are free to patronize the establishments of your choosing. However many others do enjoy exercising their rights, and are not squeamish or
29 na : I didnt. I only called a certain part of Texas law uncivilized, and I will repeat it here. Thankfully the US is is very diverse, and there a less gun
30 airtran737 : I love how wimpy people are about guns. If you are hanging out with me, you can be rest assured that I have my H&K or my Sig Sauer with me. The De
31 Post contains images Thorben : The criminal element isn't always having guns. In the US there are certainly way more criminals with guns than in other countries. I wouldn't want to
32 D L X : No, but I do know that there are many people who are untrained gun owners since there is no law preventing them from having one. The NRA makes sure o
33 Post contains images LAXintl : How about this one I'd welcome her on a university campus anytime.
34 Post contains images dxing : That would be an excellent compromise. Agreed, I especially don't want to be near immature untrained people with guns. Unfortunately many of them are
35 Thorben : Nice body, medium face, and probably dumb as a brick.
36 futurepilot16 : Do you have an HK USP compact and the Sig 229? If you do, then we have lot in common because those are my two favorite pistols. I actually am saving
37 Post contains images OA412 : In spite of the quote straight from the NRA handbook, it really is guns that kill people. First, one has to ask themselves how small this guy's penis
38 thegreatRDU : This is crazy....and it's scary as hell....it's getting too perverse...in this country... The more guns their are the more murders..... It's a fact...
39 Post contains links LAXintl : Care to explain why gun related violence including murder for instance are are down for virtually 20-years running? (murder rate was 9.4 per 100,000
40 Post contains images thegreatRDU : Now go and compare those numbers in proportion to countries with tougher gun laws....like the UK, Japan, Singapore, etc. Why are you denying it? It's
41 Post contains links and images Springbok747 : A referendum that was rejected.. http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Home/Arc...-gun_initiative_.html?cid=29484206 Yes please BTW..people saying less guns=le
42 Post contains links PPVRA : "The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with firearms used in 16,907 suicides in the United States during 2004." ht
43 thegreatRDU : There's plenty of ways to kill yourself.... That's simply due to your law enforcement agencies failing you...
44 D L X : Wait, you think it's related to gun ownership? I think it's related to air safety. I mean, nothing makes people want to blast someone like unsafe air
45 Post contains images dfwrevolution : Why are countries with different cultures, different demographics, different socioeconomic factors, etc relevant to the U.S.? You stated in plain ter
46 Post contains images Springbok747 : Oh right..it has nothing to do with the fact that criminals have guns and law abiding citizens like me don't because of stricter/stupider gun laws, w
47 dfwrevolution : I don't think LAXIntl is necessarily claiming that increased gun ownership is the reason for the decrease in crime. It looks more like he is disprovi
48 JetsGo : The problem for me with all those people is that they are open carrying. Despite the fact I concealed carry just about everywhere I go, I find open c
49 dxing : I would. But only in the proper hands. I don't see a problem with a course that teaches, trains, tests, and then re-trains and re-tests at specific i
50 D L X : If I recall correctly, the guy that nearly killed the Tucson gunman's subduers was a legal CCW holder also. We were kind of lucky that day he didn't
51 ltbewr : The only persons who should be able to carry a gun on a college campus are those who are current or former law enforcement officers who may be require
52 Post contains images D L X : Don't mistake dxing for someone unreasonable. Disagreeable? Eh, maybe. Perhaps. But 60% of the time, he's reasonable every time.
53 JetsGo : Cops and CCW holders alike could easily run into the same situation when presented with a similar scenario. When everything is happening all at once,
54 luv2fly : So I was wrong, still a stupid idea what ever states allows it first.
55 JetsGo : Curious what evidence Utah and Colorado have actually provided you with so that you may come to the conclusion that such an idea is "stupid." None, i
56 Post contains images LAXintl : I was answering RDU, who made the point that more guns = more deaths. This is simply not so. As America becomes ever more armed society, lo and behol
57 luv2fly : Having seen first hand and experienced what gun violence does to the family, I am a staunch anti gun person and for that I do not apologize. And yes
58 AustinAllison : Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns aren't the problem.
59 aloges : ...and sometimes people only end up killing people because they have a gun within reach. Anyway, this is a thread on guns in Texas. That says it all,
60 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Well, one more reason to avoid Texan education "...but I think that the gun helps. I think that if you just walked around going 'Bang!' you wouldn't k
61 afterburner : But guns make killing people way easier and faster. That's the problem. If we use this logic, the Iranian nuclear program shouldn't be a problem.
62 Mudboy : I totally agree with the posts, that say these guys that want to walk around strapped are not only attention seekers, but are stupid as well. If you w
63 DocLightning : *Disclaimer: I am very pro 2nd Amendment. I may be bewildered at why it is there, since I don't buy the "so we can rebel" argument, but it was import
64 Post contains links CO777ER : Before all you who are against this lose sleep over it, take a look at the current status of the bill: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLoo...story.as
65 Post contains images Superfly : Shoot! A lot more students would be getting straight A's if they can bring guns to campus. There are lot more students than teachers.
66 Thorben : I'd say not only on a college campus. I'd also reduce it to current law enforcement. Indeed. Shooting back at a shooter can kill innocent people and
67 GST : We are all the same species are we not? Other countries prove it is possible to survive without widespread gun ownership in a more peaceful society w
68 Superfly : Apparently that hasn't worked so well in your country. Please explain all of the stabbings and hooligan fights that have led to deaths in the UK. Mex
69 Zentraedi : This is kind of veering off on a tangent, but does anyone not see the big deal about the gun debate? I just can't get over the fact that many are all
70 JJJ : Now picture those hooligans armed with guns. You would need a SWAT team per pub on Saturday night.
71 na : Guns and US citizens, a hopeless case. Anything spoken against the wind it seems. Massive cultural difference. Why dont people understand that abolish
72 Post contains links and images dxing : Guns don't kill people, physics kills people! Professor Dick Solomon Pendleton State University http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=...0people%20phys
73 D L X : Let me give a minor correction to this: the Second Amendment is second not because the Founders thought it was the next most important issue in the b
74 Thorben : 100% agreed. It seems the people without guns have a bigger chance of survival. Dumb people ->frustrated people + alcohol & group dynamics. If
75 MD11Engineer : That guy will be the first target for any determined robber, who doesn´t mind killing people. He will be killed before he realises what is happening
76 Post contains images ALTF4 : Its arguments like these that make me roll my eyes and discount everything you have said. Same with the "compensating for his small dick" and other s
77 LAXintl : Indeed. But nothing wrong with such. Because if you believe you can abolish guns you are looking at the world with pink glasses on. At the end of the
78 DocLightning : The rates of such attacks are at about 1/10 of our gun-related death rate. Actually, it's the small metal projectiles that do the killing.
79 GST : to add to what Doc said, those crime rates are not nearly so bad as they have been made out to be. They have been dropping for years and years, and w
80 aerobalance : Good to see The Republic of Texas going back to its roots.
81 Springbok747 : Geez..what part of gun laws only affect legal gun owners didn't you understand? And did you even bother looking at the links I posted..gun laws do #$
82 GST : you are correct in that those that do want illegal guns can still get them, but being in a country with extremely tight gun control laws coupled with
83 Springbok747 : I do agree with most of what you said GST..but the problem is guns can be stolen. Legal firearms can be stolen..so even if there are strict gun laws,
84 Post contains links Thorben : Let's leave out the small dicks here. Why would only a displayed gun compensate? You can very well feel less scared with a gun that only you know abo
85 Post contains images Aaron747 : It's impossible to achieve a standard in this country where "no one has a gun". Too much illegal street trade. Perhaps so Ideally, yes, but you and I
86 Post contains images GST : That is where secure storage comes in. Over here if you own a legal firearm and store it at home it must be stored in a gun safe, which either requir
87 Maverick623 : And exactly how many legal gun carriers in the US have gone "ape-shit" in public in the last year? Last 5 years? Last 10 years? Remember, guns are al
88 PPVRA : The same should apply to suicide. Yet the evidence doesn't support it. It seems that suicide and murder are more complex issues than face value sugge
89 GST : I regret that I used the phrase "in public". The majority of murders are heat of the moment affairs, and having a killing machine immediately at hand
90 Maverick623 : You misinterpret my position, at least. I don't support the right to bear arms as some sort of vigilante crime-fighting scheme, but as a measure of s
91 Superfly : ...or maybe they wouldn't talk so much s--t in the first place to leed to such fights. Just an observation I've made hanging around with Brits watchi
92 BN747 : I'll just say this much... ....count how many nutty drivers you've seen in the last month or year. Now give them each a gun, and trust they'll be as r
93 GST : Sport I'm good with, you can take your gun in the car boot or its bag from the gun locker at home to the shooting ground. Super, I hope you have fun.
94 Maverick623 : Guns are generally not illegal. So let's throw that assumption out the window. I have never claimed that people NEED guns for self defense. I don't o
95 JJJ : Sadly a post of mine was deleted refering to this. If there are few guns in circulation, a home invader will generally not escalate by bringing one.
96 Mudboy : See this is the assumption that I hear over and over that I have a hard time believing, how many rounds did he get off, before the WTF factor goes aw
97 ALTF4 : Ah, cool move - you are the first to bring up the 'weak without guns' which is basically the 'small dicks' bullshit, I call you on it, and then you b
98 Maverick623 : Oh, I don't believe it for a second, that was my point. What happened, happened. No room for "what ifs" or anything like that.
99 co777er : Wrong Most fraternities at Texas's public campuses are not located on the school property, thus there would be no change.[Edited 2011-02-23 12:50:24]
100 DeltaMD90 : Guns are everywhere. Some of these posts about how many shootings and accidental shootings will occur on campuses, well, don't really hold up... it wo
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