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BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex  
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

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Brigham Young University starting Forward Brandon Davies was kicked off the team for allegedly having sex with his girlfriend. BYU has an honor code at their University which forbids students from having pre-marital sex. There is no word as to whether or not Davies is just dismissed from the team, or if he's being kicked out of the University.
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The BYU "HONOR CODE"

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Why would anyone want to go to this school?

This is so stupid to me that I don't even know what to say. As a college student, I see the temptations that are around me every day, how can you tell a grown man that he is forbidden to have sex? I'm gonna stay away from the religious aspects of this story for now but it plays a huge part in this story becuase BYU

Anyway, hopefully this kid will go to a better University where he is allowed to have sexual relations with his girlfriend, preferably UConn, we can use a big man like Davies on our team and we're VERY liberal here

Also, BYU has one of the best basketball teams in the country this year, this doesn't help their reputation at all for perspective prospects in the upcoming year. This guys was the second best player on their team and the day after they dismissed him, they got torched    by an unranked New Mexico 82-64. Morons!


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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

Well, he knew the rules before he signed up - not much sympathy for him.

Its like complaining you got forclosed on because you didn't read the fine print.



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User currently offlinehomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2250 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
this doesn't help their reputation at all for perspective prospects in the upcoming year.
Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
he knew the rules before he signed up

Their reputation won't be affected: all perspective athletes have been made aware of the honor code and how strict/serious it is, if they sign on, then it's on them to follow through.

Brandon Davies grew up in Provo, so he knows the code and what is expected of him, too bad he misstep at the most inopportune time...at least he owned up to it and didn't make excuses.



Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Morons!

Actually, pretty ballsy for BYU to stick to its guns and risk fame/money/exposure that a successful run in the tournament would have brought: a less scrupulous/ethical school (like UConn   ) would have suspended him for a game or two...



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
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Did you read the user comments on the ESPN article - this is a comical news piece to report in the sports world. Out of all the years of BYU athletics, this is the first time a kid broke the sacred honor code and they punished him this severely? I'm glad they got spanked last night and anticipate their exit in the 1st rd. of the tournament.   

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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8275 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

BYU has a right to hold athletes to whatever code they please. But that doesn't mean they aren't stupid. Note to athletic director: basketball players get lots of action - always have, and always will. Get over yourselves.


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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3161 times:
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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
BYU has a right to hold athletes to whatever code they please. But that doesn't mean they aren't stupid. Note to athletic director: basketball players get lots of action - always have, and always will. Get over yourselves.

        

Oh, and someone said he turned himself in - there is no evidence to support that claim.


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Morons!


Rules ... Rules Rules ... they are pesky indeed.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
Its like complaining you got forclosed on because you didn't read the fine print.


Oh man that would never happen in America ...  
Quoting homer71 (Reply 2):
(like UConn ) would have suspended him for a game or two...


Seriously doubt that U Conn would suspend a top tier starter for anything short of a capital crime ... (with video proof).



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10330 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
Well, he knew the rules before he signed up - not much sympathy for him.

  

What else is there to say, really?

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Why would anyone want to go to this school?

If you happen to believe in the stuff they stand for, I don't see a problem. Obviously, if you don't, you probably wouldn't want to go there.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2748 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Brigham Young University is a private institution owned and operated by The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, otherwise known as The Mormon Church. The BYU honor code are part of the rules and regulations of The Mormon Church. Everyone at BYU including students, faculty, staff, etc must agree to and comply with the honor code. There are no exceptions. Violating the honor code is the same as violating the rules of The Mormon Church. If you do not like the provisions of the honor code, don't go to BYU.

User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
This is so stupid to me that I don't even know what to say.

See, this is all about personal responsibility. He knew about the "Honor Code" when he accepted a scholarship and went to the school. Now he breaks the code and at least he owned up to it. It would be fair to say that when he learned about the code he probably learned what the consequences were if he broke the code. And now we all know what the consequences are. He took responsibility for his actions.

Those here that say this is a bunch of BS obviously know nothing about honor. In the military we also learn about Honor, Courage, and Commitment and pride ourselves in following those codes.

If you can't follow the codes or commitments set fourth be a organization you want to belong to or attend then you should not attend that organization.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8275 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 9):
Those here that say this is a bunch of BS obviously know nothing about honor.

Refraining from getting laid in one's early 20s is not called honor. It's called wasting your early 20s away.



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

I can't agree with BYU's honor code, but I have to say, it really impresses me during the current era of collegiate sports where it's almost become common that universities all across the country are so willing to skirt past ethics and past the NCAA's rules so that they can athletically elevate themselves, that there is one school that not only sets a rigid ethical standard, but actually enforces when everything is on the line. It's refreshing, actually, and I can't help but respect BYU for it.

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Refraining from getting laid in one's early 20s is not called honor. It's called wasting your early 20s away.


Well, no one forced you to attend BYU or submit to that particular code. It's not my "cup of tea" either so I would not attend BYU myself.

But, those who signed on to go there also know the consequences, so, there you have it.


User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 11):
I can't agree with BYU's honor code, but I have to say, it really impresses me during the current era of collegiate sports where it's almost become common that universities all across the country are so willing to skirt past ethics and past the NCAA's rules so that they can athletically elevate themselves, that there is one school that not only sets a rigid ethical standard, but actually enforces when everything is on the line. It's refreshing, actually, and I can't help but respect BYU for it.

That's cool an all...but they just got OWNED by an unranked New Mexico. Let's see how they uphold those ethical rules when they exit from the NCAA tournament early on.

Quoting homer71 (Reply 2):
Brandon Davies grew up in Provo, so he knows the code and what is expected of him, too bad he misstep at the most inopportune time...at least he owned up to it and didn't make excuses.

You mean to tell me that EVERYONE that attends BYU refrains from having sex.....Everyone?   Not buying it, there are rumors as well that his girlfriend got pregnant, which is how the school found out. There's no evidence as of yet to say he turned himself in.



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1626 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 13):
That's cool an all...but they just got OWNED by an unranked New Mexico. Let's see how they uphold those ethical rules when they exit from the NCAA tournament early on.

So what? They made the decision that personal responsibility is more important than athletics. Just because YOU don't agree with what they've done, doesn't make it wrong at all. They (the players) knew the rules going in. I'm impressed that the school has the character to follow its honor code when they had the chance to go places in athletics. To me, that speaks volumes about the institution.

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):

Why would anyone want to go to this school?

It's a good school, academically.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
BYU has a right to hold athletes to whatever code they please. But that doesn't mean they aren't stupid. Note to athletic director: basketball players get lots of action - always have, and always will. Get over yourselves.

They do have that right. As far as "Getting over yourselves," yes, that would be nice. It would also be nice if every other religion that put completely unrealistic expectations for purity and behavior on young people could get over itself, too. But this is the LDS church, after all. At least they're enforcing it consistently, for which I respect them.

I am sure that Mr. Davies will be happily received by any number of other schools. And I hope that this will teach him a lesson about the positives and negatives of religion.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 13):
That's cool an all...but they just got OWNED by an unranked New Mexico. Let's see how they uphold those ethical rules when they exit from the NCAA tournament early on.

So to you it's okay for athletes to break the rules, so long as they're good?

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 15):
So what? They made the decision that personal responsibility is more important than athletics. Just because YOU don't agree with what they've done, doesn't make it wrong at all. They (the players) knew the rules going in. I'm impressed that the school has the character to follow its honor code when they had the chance to go places in athletics. To me, that speaks volumes about the institution.

Very well said.   

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 15):
To me, that speaks volumes about the institution.

I think the fact that the folks running the place believe that there's a magic sky daddy who cares deeply about where everyone sticks their willies and who has a passionate dislike of tea also speaks volumes about the institution.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Can't really blame the guy, I guess. I went to school with a lot of Mormons, there being a temple directly across the street from my high school. Dang, their kids were a kinky bunch, is all I'm gonna say. It's almost as if the iconic Mormon steeple is the tree holding the fruit of temptation and seduction.


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2903 times:

Their basketball team is about to lose A LOT MORE games in the next 10 years.....

User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2893 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
Well, he knew the rules before he signed up - not much sympathy for him.

Its like complaining you got forclosed on because you didn't read the fine print.

Or signing up for the military for the free education and paycheck and then complaining when you get sent to war.

I would never look at going to BYU because I know how strict they are about some things, and it didn't fit my view of what college should be. I knew that growing up in Namibia...this guy grew up in Provo? He knew what he was getting in to.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2857 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
This is so stupid to me that I don't even know what to say. As a college student, I see the temptations that are around me every day, how can you tell a grown man that he is forbidden to have sex?


Yep. Another wonderful view from a young liberal. Really? Stupid?

Look at it this way. How many NCAA atheletes take money from agents, boosters, etc? They all know it's wrong but, as you say, how can you tell a grown man not to take money that is offered up to them? If the student who took the money is discovered, they are out of the program.

Just because it's sex you say it's ok for them to do it simply based on the fact that they are "temptations."

Listen, I know this is hard for a liberal to understand this but BYU has a code of conduct that was signed by this student and he didn't follow it. He was given a free education and gave that all up for sex. Sorry, but it's a contract that HE didn't keep up his end. I would never sign that code of conduct (caffeine and alcohol alone), but that's me. HE DID.

What's "so stupid to me" is that you can't understand this.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3674 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2851 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 13):
You mean to tell me that EVERYONE that attends BYU refrains from having sex.....

Everyone who isn't married...believe it or not some humans can exercise self control. BYU is also trying to determine whether he can remain in at the school.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8275 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 24):
believe it or not some humans can exercise self control

Yes well you seem to be missing the relatively minor point that for guys with decent communication skills in a university environment, "self control" usually entails not making a pass at every female they encounter.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 25):
"self control" usually entails not making a pass at every female they encounter.

Hell, that's how I met my fiance in college!  


25 phatfarmlines : This student is dumb for either A) getting caught in the act, or B) being discreet but decided to let the authorities know because of a guilty conscie
26 seb146 : Because it is a prestigous (private?) Mormon university. So, they have an honor code and rules. He chose the school. He knew the code and broke that
27 ltbewr : I believe that Mr. Davies is a practicing Mormon, so he not only violated the code, but 'sinned' as to his faith. In most of Christianity, sin can be
28 Post contains images johnboy : His first mistake was attending BYU in the first place. I would say becoming a Mormon, but he probably didn't have much of a choice in that matter.
29 futurepilot16 : I just think it's a dumb rule and they're not benefiting from him getting dismissed from the team for a minor infraction. it's not like he killed a g
30 Post contains links Yellowstone : An interesting opinion piece on this mini-scandal by a BYU grad: http://deadspin.com/#!5775738/a-byu-...nd-the-universitys-double-standard The short v
31 Maverick623 : Believe it or not, it's actually a pretty decent school to get an education at. It sounds like he knew what was coming, and is okay with the decision
32 BMI727 : Yep. That's the way the world works.
33 GuitrThree : Yes.. you're right.. I don't follow the speed limit always myself.. but then again, when I got my drivers license I agreed to obey the laws. If I get
34 Post contains images Superfly : I am surprised at the amount of support for this religious university's policy. I see no valour or honor in any of this. It's because of religions and
35 Post contains images futurepilot16 : No, you did not just go there
36 Superfly : LOL! It's just an observation I've noticed. Perhaps Brandon Davies could go to a university with much hotter girls and no ridiculous restrictive reli
37 DiamondFlyer : Why? Just because YOU don't agree with their policy, doesn't mean it's wrong to have such a policy. You know, part of the reason the country was foun
38 Continental : I'm very unfamiliar with the LDS faith. So forgiveness is not allowed?
39 Post contains images Mortyman : USA - Land of the free ...
40 Pyrex : I certainly wouldn't, but then again why would anyone want to pay $50,000 a year for 4 years for this type of "education"? online.wsj.com/article/SB1
41 Post contains images Superfly : So true! Athletes get so many free passes and preferential treatment at many universities. Why bother asking questions when you're gonna put words in
42 Post contains images Airport : Maybe so, but it sends an awfully loud message to anyone who might apply who's content with breaking the rules that they aren't welcome... I don't se
43 Superfly : I can agree with you on that. Its too bad that he was busted over this. If he were busted for cheating on a test then I'd fully support his punishmen
44 DocLightning : Yeah, actually, it pretty much is. Rare exceptions, but I'd wager fewer than one in twenty abstinence advocates have a non-religious reason for it.
45 seb146 : I love college sports as much as anyone, but should we really be putting sports ahead of academia? That's why I think there is no story here. Also, h
46 FlyDeltaJets87 : Don't know where you're going with that. This guy FREELY made a decision to go to a school with such a policy. If he didn't want to live by that code
47 Eagleboy : I'm with this point. You may think their code is moronic but it is THEIR code and he signed up to it when he attended the university. Personally I wo
48 L410Turbolet : Yet they are perfectly content with church poking its dogmatic, Big Brotheresque nose into their bedrooms and kitchens telling them what to do. Bizza
49 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : If you don't like it, don't go to BYU. What a concept! They should pay me big money to come up with such great ideas! I don't agree with their restri
50 DiamondFlyer : Nobody was forced into going to BYU, so I don't understand your argument. They signed up to go to BYU and apparently agreed to the honor code at the
51 Post contains images L410Turbolet : I wasn't talking about this specific university, se what the reply was for. It was a mere general observation of the - imho - slightly absurd situati
52 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : That's because I'm not painting with the broad brush like you're doing. Here's the difference that you are currently failing to grasp - whether you t
53 Post contains images BMI727 : Ask Jim McMahon. But he probably won't remember. The draft system is legal and a fair way to distribute talent throughout a professional sports leagu
54 rgreenftm : I'm very familiar with the LDS faith, and the comment from reply #38 is about as far from accurate as it could possibly be. The priniciple or idea of
55 LMP737 : That's who first came to mind when I first heard this story. He violated more than one BYU rule when he was there. Of course he was one of the best q
56 cws818 : This is not a political topic, and it has nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative. You should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting as much.
57 GuitrThree : Yes it is, when the person I am responding to is very much a big time self promoting liberal. So no, I'm not ashamed of it. Let me guess, you're a li
58 okie : Exactly. Some appear to prefer to go to Charlie Sheen University Partying, doing rocks, supporting a couple of stars, supporting a few ex wives, payi
59 mirrodie : No, not Morons, but Mormons. The above statement speaks only to your moral code and the inability for you to resist urges. Your feeling n the school
60 Pyrex : If that is so then why are the NFL team owners fighting tooth and nail to keep the current labor dispute outside of the courts? Because they know tha
61 BMI727 : Because that probably wouldn't help anybody. I believe that the NFL has anti-trust immunity. I know MLB does, which is how Congress became involved i
62 Slider : I agree with you here 100%. I think it's especially hypocritical that many who are skewering BYU would also condone or turn a blind eye to the preval
63 windy95 : Because the judge in this case has been predominantly pro labor in the past.
64 Superfly : Based on what? Let's not assume things. My comments against Michael Vick was very strong in these forums. Ok he was no longer a student at that time
65 gemuser : Can you support that? In many, many cases, especially in strongly religious families, the young person does not in fact have that choice. It's often
66 bjorn14 : Ah yes, the other 'Golden Rule'...the man with the gold makes the rules.
67 ALTF4 : I think you're making more of it then there is. I know plenty of 'strongly religious' families who encouraged their kids to NOT go to a religious sch
68 gemuser : You could be right, I could be right, that's the point, WE don't really have enough information, on this thread, to say either way. Gemuser
69 Eagleboy : Well you will learn do female porn stars really love having sex all day long as part of a thressome for one!
70 DocLightning : Yanno what? I would have no problem with the LDS Church if they would just stop trying to legislate their religion on the rest of us. Here we have pe
71 Post contains links Superfly : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4mHuINvztY
72 Airport : Point taken, sorry for that, that wasn't fair for me to say. Yikes. No thanks. Not every school has multi-billion dollar endowments and can afford to
73 BMI727 : It's not endowments, football and (men's) basketball make money. I've heard the job of AD being described as being the head of a company with 17 divi
74 Mudboy : I think it speaks volumes that a University is showing that ethics and honor come before success in athletics. Not everything in the world is about w
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