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Obama Backtracks On Gitmo  
User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
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I am surprised that the Liberals on here haven't pointed out that their savior has now backtracked on his word, and has issued an executive order to conduct military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay once again.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...military-tribunals-guantanamo-bay/


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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2766 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1575 times:

It, like many other issues, will be swept under the rug....


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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

You right wing conservatives should give him credit, he caved in to the right wing but you in the right hate the president so much that most of you will not give him credit.

[Edited 2011-03-09 02:43:27]


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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5470 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 2):
You right wing conservatives should give him credit then, he caved in to you people but you hate the president to much that most of you will not give him credit.

No, he did not cave. He learned or accepted the reality of the situation and decided, much like Bush, that Gitmo is the best solution, even though it is a lousy solution.

I give him credit for not making a bad situation worse.



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Quoting Airtran737 (Thread starter):
I am surprised that the Liberals on here haven't pointed out that their savior has now backtracked on his word

Considering it's not the first, second, or even third time it's become a non-news event. Given his strong advocation that he would make it a primary goal of his Presidency, and so many people bad mouthed Bush for not closing it, it certainly is quite interesting to see the deafening silence. Especially from our Utopian friends from down under who were all for closing the prison yet not willing to accept any of the prisoners.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 4):
Especially from our Utopian friends from down under who were all for closing the prison yet not willing to accept any of the prisoners.

Nah best to leave you in the dystopia that you created. Can see y'all are enjoying it.


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2738 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Let me see...Gitmo still open with military tribunals, Patriot Act still getting extended, Afghan war still Going on, Troops still in Iraq and high oil prices...Are we sure Bush ever left? And of course the left keeps quiet on all of these subjects


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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Nah best to leave you in the dystopia that you created. Can see y'all are enjoying it.

Jeez, great rebuttal   . Those prisoners are exactly where they belong, it just took the President and his AG 2 years to figure that one out. As the President has said, nobody said hope and change would come very fast and he's proving that every single day of his administration.


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

I am glad people are giving the president credit but in right v.left persona of politics on both sides, credit is quiet and criticism is loud.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7919 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

I just wished it could kinda be the starting of the left and right realizing that the other side isn't always completely wrong and evil but what am I talking about, it's American politics!   


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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1254 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 10):
I am glad people are giving the president credit but in right v.left persona of politics on both sides, credit is quiet and criticism is loud.

What irks me is the same people who lambasted Bush are oddly quiet about this. Its hypocrisy no matter which way you cut it. I would have more respect if those same people blasted Obama about this decision, regardless if I view them as wrong, but yet, I don't see it. That is what really pisses me off.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
I give him credit for not making a bad situation worse.

  

As a conservative, I'm glad he has (tacitly) endorsed some of the programs he rallied strongly against during his presidential campaign. It's quite obvious that he dislikes it, but he has kept these programs going because he sees their need in the interest of national security. That's a good thing.



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2738 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 10):
I am glad people are giving the president credit but in right v.left persona of politics on both sides, credit is quiet and criticism is loud

Yet the left is silent on the same subjects that they lambasted Bush with. Thus the hypocrisy.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 15):
Yet the left is silent on the same subjects that they lambasted Bush with. Thus the hypocrisy.


That has been brought up, you're beating a dead horse.



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2766 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 13):
What irks me is the same people who lambasted Bush are oddly quiet about this. Its hypocrisy no matter which way you cut it. I would have more respect if those same people blasted Obama about this decision, regardless if I view them as wrong, but yet, I don't see it. That is what really pisses me off.

Exactly.   



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 16):
That has been brought up, you're beating a dead horse.

When the same was said about numerous "problems" brought up by the left concerning Gitmo during the Bush administration we were told that they couldn't be brought up enough. Why the change?


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7919 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 16):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 15):
Yet the left is silent on the same subjects that they lambasted Bush with. Thus the hypocrisy.


That has been brought up, you're beating a dead horse.

You should've seen the dead horses on this board a few years ago about Bush... SSDD (and different president too lol)



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3500 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
No, he did not cave. He learned or accepted the reality of the situation and decided, much like Bush, that Gitmo is the best solution, even though it is a lousy solution.

Ah when a Republican does this he flip-flopped but when a Democrat does it he has 'evolved'. This was a center piece of his campaign he promised he would close it within a year and now two years on it will be open 'indefinately'. So much for that Nobel Peace Prize.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

This decision has been made for one simple reason - politics - and human rights be dammed. The President knows that to keep the trials in the special tribunals long planned, with them actually taking place in 2013 or later, long after the 2012 Presidential, Congressional and some Senate elections will keep this issue from being used against him and all Democrats. Better for alleged war criminals to continued to be detained and denied a Constitutional legal trial indefinitely, a belief held by a strong plurality of voters, especially 'swing' voters, than to lose an election,

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5470 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 20):
Ah when a Republican does this he flip-flopped but when a Democrat does it he has 'evolved'. This was a center piece of his campaign he promised he would close it within a year and now two years on it will be open 'indefinately'. So much for that Nobel Peace Prize.

Believe what you want. But, when President Obama sat in the Oval Office behind that desk and reviewed the data, he came to one conclusion: that President Bush was right (blasphamies of blasphamies) on the matter of the detainees at Gitmo.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7958 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1247 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 6):
Let me see...Gitmo still open with military tribunals, Patriot Act still getting extended, Afghan war still Going on, Troops still in Iraq and high oil prices...Are we sure Bush ever left? And of course the left keeps quiet on all of these subjects

Not sure what kind of newspapers you read, but I wouldn't say "the left" had quietly accepted this. I think those issues contributed to the loss in votes from the left to center left leaning side of the political spectrum during the mid-terms.
It is true, however, that Obama receives less fire than Bush who introduced Gitmo and the Patriot Act in the first place, just like "the right" criticised Obama for bailing out companies like GM, even though Bush wanted to do the same.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 7):
Those prisoners are exactly where they belong,

Actually even the Bush admin thought this was not the case for about 50% of them. By and large it should act as a lesson not to go fishing blind - you just never know how inconvenient your catch might turn out to be.

The current mess is a splendid condemnation of the practice of offering $10,000 dollars to a group of mercenaries for anyone they can catch.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 22):
behind that desk and reviewed the data, he came to one conclusion: that President Bush was right (blasphemies of blasphemies) on the matter of the detainees at Gitmo.

Much more like he came to the conclusion that it was an even bigger mess than even he had thought before he took that seat.

Even then he did not figure out what a bunch of NIMBYs some of his countrymen actually were - cannot even own up to their own mistakes.

Meanwhile the US continues on its brave attempt to resurrect the attitudes and even some of the practices of the Inquisition. Parts of the over-used penal system are already medieval.


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

I don't wish to enter into pointless left versus right squabble, but am I mistaken in believing that Congress voted that no monies be spent transferring prisoners to the US? Perhaps someone could clarify that point.

If that is the case, it would appear that Obama has no option but to keep Gitmo open. If detainees are kept there then, unless it became possible for US courts to sit in Gitmo (and here I have no knowledge of the Constitutional or legal propriety in doing so), then resuming trial by military tribunals may the only course open if people are not to be held indefinitely without charge.

Obama's order may not necessarily mean that he finally saw that Bush was right but merely be the only course available in a situation he inherited. If Congress says that he can't ship the detainees to the US and they can't be tried in a US court, what other option remains?


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 6):
Let me see...Gitmo still open with military tribunals, Patriot Act still getting extended, Afghan war still Going on, Troops still in Iraq and high oil prices...Are we sure Bush ever left? And of course the left keeps quiet on all of these subjects
All this kind of reminds me of this particular poster, LOL:




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