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Mag 8.9 Earthquake In Japan, Pt. 2  
User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

This thread is for the continuing discussion of the earthquake and resulting tsunami in Japan. Continuing from Mag 8.9 Earthquake In Japan (by SMOLT Mar 10 2011 in Non Aviation)

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Ground still moving in Japan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M

Crazy stuff.



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User currently offlineSMOLT From Japan, joined Nov 1999, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Ah Furo ni hairi tai (Oh I want to take the bath)
Jisin Irai Haitte Naiyo (I have never taken since the earth quake began)
Ie ha Dansui siteru karane (Beacuse Water Has been stopped)
Toire mo kinou kara Tsukenai ( Also the Toilet is banned because exaust tube stucks)
Mizu kumi ni ikuno Mendou da (It's a mess to bring water with palastic bottles)
Teiden mo Komaru (Also a mess is the electrocity temporary stop )
Yoru ni Teiden shitara Makura ni naruyo ( Night is a total darkness when the power stops at night)
Densha mo rokuni Ugoitenai (Most Trains do not move)
Shokuryou mo matomoni kaenai ( Can't buy food at the shop)
Kyouha Genpatsu Bakuhatsu shitekara hajimete Kitakaze ga Fuku (Today for the first time Wind blows from the North since the nuclear plant blasted)
Daijoubu kana (Is this all right?)


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20365 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

The UN has put together a list of important Twitterers with news about events surrounding the quake:

http://www.undispatch.com/must-follo...terers-on-the-earthquake-in-japan#

Some of them have highly interesting news and links.

Also, if you're in the Pacific NW and thinking about stocking up on iodine in case of a nuclear cloud coming in from Japan, here's an in-depth article on the subject from the Oregon Herald regarding what to get, why you probably can't get it at the pharmacy, and why you probably don't need it:

Oregonians Panic, Rush Stores For Iodine As Nuclear Meltdown Looms In Japan



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User currently offlineMarSciGuy From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 1):
Ground still moving in Japan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M

Crazy stuff.

That video was posted on the 11th to youtube, and from the info section looks like it came via other news sites...I believe in other words that it is from the original quake on Friday...

Also, even if it WAS from today, aftershocks occur for MONTHS after the earthquake - case in point the recent Christchurch quake was an aftershock of the last major NZ quake about 6 months ago...



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4766 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3684 times:
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Quoting MarSciGuy (Reply 4):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 1):
Ground still moving in Japan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M

Crazy stuff.

That video was posted on the 11th to youtube, and from the info section looks like it came via other news sites...I believe in other words that it is from the original quake on Friday...

Also, even if it WAS from today, aftershocks occur for MONTHS after the earthquake - case in point the recent Christchurch quake was an aftershock of the last major NZ quake about 6 months ago...

That video was taken shortly after the quake in an area constructed over landfill. The man-made land had been compromised and if I had to guess, was floating due to liquefaction.

[Edited 2011-03-14 16:40:00]


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8685 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

I'm amazed by the apparent calmness and composure of the quake and tsunami victims shown on TV here. I cannot imagine how I would react, but I think it'd be less dignified.


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User currently offlineMarSciGuy From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
Quoting MarSciGuy (Reply 4):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 1):
Ground still moving in Japan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M

Crazy stuff.

That video was posted on the 11th to youtube, and from the info section looks like it came via other news sites...I believe in other words that it is from the original quake on Friday...

Also, even if it WAS from today, aftershocks occur for MONTHS after the earthquake - case in point the recent Christchurch quake was an aftershock of the last major NZ quake about 6 months ago...

That video was taken shortly after the quake in an area constructed over landfill. The man-made land had been compromised and if I had to guess, was floating due to liquefaction.

[Edited 2011-03-14 16:40:00]

Don't ask me why I didn't think to add that part   it's pretty amazing/frightening to see liquefaction actually occurring, I've only heard of it happening on a scale such as that before...



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20365 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 6):
I'm amazed by the apparent calmness and composure of the quake and tsunami victims shown on TV here.

Perhaps they're still in shock. That's quite dismobilizing both physically and mentally.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7801 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 6):

I'm amazed by the apparent calmness and composure of the quake and tsunami victims shown on TV here. I cannot imagine how I would react, but I think it'd be less dignified.

I heard it is a cultural thing. Even so, it would be hard for anyone to keep their composure! Good luck Japan, been praying for you!



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
That video was taken shortly after the quake in an area constructed over landfill. The man-made land had been compromised and if I had to guess, was floating due to liquefaction.

Yeah I figured it wasn't as of today, but I assumed it wasn't that old either. Still,

Quoting MarSciGuy (Reply 7):
it's pretty amazing/frightening to see liquefaction actually occurring, I've only heard of it happening on a scale such as that before...

. . pretty amazing indeed.



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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Just heard on the news, the Earthquake was upgraded to a 9.0 now, making it the strongest in nearly a 100 years! Its just unbelievable the images and videos of the destruction! I know Japan will rebound eventually, but the human loss is unimaginable. My prayers are with everyone in Japan, especially for the survivors who have to rebuild their lives over again!


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User currently onlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 11):
Just heard on the news, the Earthquake was upgraded to a 9.0 now, making it the strongest in nearly a 100 years!

The strongest for Japan but not worldwide. The catastrophic 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was 9.1.


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Air China, the country's flag carrier, has cancelled flights from Beijing and Shanghai to Tokyo on Tuesday afternoon and in the evening.

A low level radioactive wind could reach Tokyo in 10 hours, Reuters is quoting the French embassy in the Japanese capital as saying.

The Japanese Govt has been severely underplaying the risks and I see a lot of people in Japan writing to say they are very frustrated with misinformation and cover up



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 12):
The strongest for Japan but not worldwide. The catastrophic 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was 9.1.

That is correct, I should have phrased it better! Thanks for pointing that out!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19378 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Not sure if this was mentioned, but there was a third explosion. After this one, they evacuated all but 50 staff of the 800 at the plant. Said levels went up to a level that could "affect human health" and advised all people within 30 km to stay indoors with windows closed.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...isaster/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

This, folks, is not good at all. The severity of this reactor accident just went up from INES level 4 to INES level 5. Three Mile Island was a level 5. The real estate around that plant is gonna get real cheap...


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Said levels went up to a level that could "affect human health" and advised all people within 30 km to stay indoors with windows closed.

Local media is reporting main radiation to be Neutron Radiation wikipedia.

Hearing this and being a tad older, I got reminded of the infamous Neutron bomb of the 1980's and its working mode dubbed as "Kills the man, leaves the house intact". This is due to its energy rich radiation but only (relative) limited heat and blast. Also radiation is fairly shortlived (as long as the bomb would not have been enhanced by, say, cobalt) enabling crossing of a territory nuked relatively shortly after.
I am living in a area that was prime target for such a weapon in the 80´s ...

Normal layers of concrete found in housing does not block neutron radiation to any sufficient level.
-HT



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3332 times:

Japanese crisis management is being heavily critized now, and rightfully so. Japan´s Premier went into the Tepco office and shouted at the managers. Imho he should send the management to Fukushima in person instead of having them sitting in Tokyo.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Not sure if this was mentioned, but there was a third explosion. After this one, they evacuated all but 50 staff of the 800 at the plant.

And what can 50 do there? I seriously doubt that this company is really able to fight the crisis. As tough and cruel as it sounds, but better a a hundred Tepco staff dies closing their own poison kitchen than having millions under life-threatening conditions.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11208 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
This, folks, is not good at all. The severity of this reactor accident just went up from INES level 4 to INES level 5. Three Mile Island was a level 5. The real estate around that plant is gonna get real cheap...

Don't exaggerage the severity. Three Mile Island is known as this uber-disaster in the United States, but you know what? We still get electricity from Three Mile Island today, and there is still plenty of activity around the site.

This is going to be an ultradisaster to the company that runs the plant, because it is going to lose the plant. But I expect that a year from now, the only thing you will remember about March 11 is that a 9.0 earthquake and a 30 foot tsunami destroyed Sendai. Not a Chernobyl.


By the way, does anyone else get the impression that the media is rooting for a Chernobyl style explosion?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20365 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
By the way, does anyone else get the impression that the media is rooting for a Chernobyl style explosion?

Not really, it's just that this is such a rare type of event, and ears are going to perk up when words like meltdown are used. I'd gather most people don't understand the differences between this and Chernobyl, so the question keeps getting asked of guest after guest on the news programs. I just heard it asked again on the radio a few minutes ago, in a quite unemotional way.

But then, I'm getting most of my news on this from NPR on the radio, the BBC, NY Times and the Guardian online, while using YouTube for video reports, eschewing most of the major network and cable news broadcasts to filter out the sensationalist noise. The live blog on the BBC website is quite calm and measured for their Japan coverage.



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
By the way, does anyone else get the impression that the media is rooting for a Chernobyl style explosion?

I hardly am following media coverage here in Germany (at least not on TV); I found A.net to be a much better and better balanced source of information in this crisis (and some other incidents before).

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
This is going to be an ultradisaster to the company that runs the plant, because it is going to lose the plant.

I would not be surprised that in the end the company likely will survive by either having proper insurance cover in place or the Japanese Government will cover.
Some serious apologies can be expected, which in the Japanese culture is a very serious act.

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
But I expect that a year from now, the only thing you will remember about March 11 is that a 9.0 earthquake and a 30 foot tsunami destroyed Sendai. Not a Chernobyl.

  
-HT



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User currently offlinegocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Once again, more shaking occurring in the area...a bit stronger then previous aftershocks during the last few days.

Update: 6.0 earthquake near Shizouka Pref. near Mt. Fuji. (Source: JNN)

[Edited 2011-03-15 06:59:10]

User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7188 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3184 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Not sure if this was mentioned, but there was a third explosion.

Also, since first reported, the earthquake has also been upgraded to a 9.0 on the Richter scale.


User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1206 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Quoting SMOLT (Reply 2):
SMOLT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:

Well, I guess you deleted your account.

Best of luck in the days and months ahead.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2997 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 23):
Well, I guess you deleted your account.

Not really, we all are sporting that bit of misinfo...



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25 fxramper : NYSE is down over 250 pts from nuclear fears in Japan. The quake rocked the Anet servers.
26 casinterest : Time to upgrade the thread titles. It was definately a serious quake, and the resulting Tsunami made it much much worse. I doubt they are rooting for
27 Post contains links AeroWesty : Something not getting a lot of airplay or column inches in the newspapers is that it seems resources are being diverted from providing aid to the surv
28 D L X : I'm really not sure. I've seen CNN doing media malpractice lately. In the last two days, I've seen anchors (including Don Lemon) shouting down and cu
29 casinterest : Yeah, but you are painiting folks with a personal bias and blatent ignorance as the whole media rooting for a disaster. The people in the media have
30 ALTF4 : Strange. It only was on him and I was puzzled over your response. Came back to inquire further, and now I see it on everybody.
31 Post contains links D L X : okay, if this is true, then I take back my comments. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42084187/ns/world_news-asiapacific/ Not sure how water catches fire,
32 casinterest : The report I read said an explosion followed by a fire. My guess is that the pressure built up from the boiling water, not being cooled, and caused a
33 Airport : I know exactly what you're talking about, and for me it really stems from them reporting things blown way out of proportion. Anderson Cooper reportin
34 Dreadnought : I've stayed out of this debate so far as I waited for more info, but I'm seeing the same thing. The envirotards are hell-bent on making this their wa
35 Mir : To be fair, while these reactors are western, I wouldn't call them modern. There are newer designs out there that are able to cool themselves suffici
36 HT : & Q: What do you need to run a nuclear power plant, that is not in the middle of a big city ? A: Water to cool down the generated steam after it
37 MD11Engineer : The same happens here and having several state elections next week´s sunday doesn´t help either (I´m sure that many of the Green / environmentalis
38 Aaron747 : Operation Tomodachi, how touching..."tomodachi" is "friend" in Japanese. Come on man, look at a map.
39 Post contains images aloges : I'd like to expand on this, briefly, if I may. I've read a few songs of praise for the reactor because it remained somewhat structurally intact after
40 Mir : Money, pure and simple. Reactors are expensive things, and redesigning one to be more resistant to a LOCA might well be close to the cost of a brand
41 MD11Engineer : Well, the Japanese don´t have much choice. The country is notoriously low on local energy sources (they have a little bit of coal and maybe some hyd
42 steeler83 : Eh, maybe to some degree. You know how the media loves a huge story. In some cases, especially after the way some folks handled 9-11. They care more
43 DocLightning : I'm surprised they haven't been leading the march toward fusion.
44 Mir : There's also the people who don't want any reactors to be replaced with newer, safer models because they don't want any new reactors. It really does
45 jessbp : Actually doc, I believe the japanese and the French are working together on the worlds first fusion reactor in France. Iirc the project was delayed f
46 MD11Engineer : AFAIK, the Japanese are part of the ITER consortium and are heavily involved in fusion research. For a while Japan was considered to be the location
47 ltbewr : The sad part is that no one really trusts the government in these severe situations. No government want's to induce mass panic with it's potential hor
48 Baroque : Well they might be about half right, half should be spent on wind and solar energy research and half on improving fission as a system - fission actua
49 HT : Problem is, that resources of Uranium are limited. I found the following figures that appear to be dating from 2006, but still these should be indica
50 Airstud : What about San Onofre?
51 Baroque : You have to be careful there. The largest known deposit of uranium ores is at Olympic Dam (in South Australia), discovered by WMC and now operated by
52 D L X : You are correct that it is on the sea. My understanding is that it has a gigantic sea wall to divert tsunami waves around it. It is certainly a good
53 MD11Engineer : Same for me. The problem is that the "anti" crowd obstructs improvements by not allowing more modern plants to be built, so that the older plants can
54 Post contains images Mortyman : 3676 is the confirmed death toll at the moment. Over 12 000 missing ... Sadly the numbers will no doubt increase
55 Post contains links wolbo : It certainly seems to have a sturdy wall. Don't know if that would have stopped this tsunami. http://cryptome.org/eyeball/san-onofre/san-onofre-npp.h
56 MarSciGuy : I hear on NPR this am (or yesterday am?) that that seawall wasn't really all that high and that after recent events that may change rapidly. From the
57 Post contains links and images cpd : It's getting worse still: http://www.news.com.au/helicopters-c...plant/story-e6frfkp9-1226023210579 Helicopters are now dumping water, and they are su
58 okie : From what I saw of the helicopters, I just do not see how they can effectively deposit H2O with any accuracy to where they need the water to go. The
59 Mortyman : Death toll: 5.198 ----------------------------------
60 Post contains links fxramper : US officially authorized evacuation flights for any Americans living in areas affected by devastation. Sorry for anyone that paid a premium price to l
61 Post contains links cpd : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3TM9GL2iLI A dog was injured in the earthquake. Another dog remained with it the whole time and refused to leave the s
62 Post contains links Aaron747 : More of many stunning videos sure to come out - yet another view of the formidable power of the tsunami. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wYiNnHEGyY
63 Post contains links cpd : http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...water/story-e6frfku0-1226024708771 Tap water is apparently contaminated with traces of radioactive iodine now.
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