tugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5018 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2538 times:
And: "A toast to another excellent landing!" errr.... OK maybe not....
Actually a drink with lunch still happens regularly (though not as regularly as it used to be). I am sure that the higher up you go in a company the more it may be acceptable, depending on the boss' nature and opinion on the matter.
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People respond differently to alcohol and that could be a problem. A beer or three and I may be done (I am such a lightweight and hardly drink anything these days) or ready to take a nap. Some people can be pleasant with a drink or two in them and some people become d-bags. Given all that variability why allow drinking at work? And in certain lines of work, other than commercial pilots, drinking would absolutely not be desirable. I wouldn't want my physician to be having a two martini lunch.
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tu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 979 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2502 times:
Obviously when I am flying, this is a big no-no. And in Russia you get checked before every flight.
However, on my second, part-time job we do often have a beer or two as long as it does not interfere with my flying.
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AGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2417 times:
In the 80's when I started working at a MRO doing heavy maintenance on CV-580's , 737's,727 . I was really surprised at how many guys had a beer or a few at lunch time ... the rules were pretty lax to say the least. We had groups that would go off sight for lunch and buy a few 40's and hang out. More shocking was a small group of guys who would go to a area on the far ramp behind the hangers and sit around and smoke the green ...
It was against the rules ... but know one enforced it . Then someone left a spanner wrench loose near a CV-580 vertical stab cable reel mechanism which blocked it on a pre flight check out and things changed. We also had a incident where cargo got loaded in the aft bag pit on a 722 without anyone knowing about it ...the aircraft flap setting were messed up and it was kinda dicey for the crew . Another incident involved a forklift operator using the bootstrap chain fall system to remove #1 engine on a 722. He was drunk or had been drinking and proceeded to bounce a JT-9D on the concrete when he lurched the forklift back to quickly ... ouch.
Management got with it and the rules changed ....
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KingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1283 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2402 times:
I think it depends on your job. I've gone out with coworkers in my accounting office over the summer and they ordered a pitcher of margarita, and I would have a glass or two, but never more than they did. Sometimes I felt a little buzzed but I was always able to get back to work. That's the important thing I think, as long as you can work then do whatever you want I guess.
On the other hand, here at my school, I work for security. Drinking on this job would be totally unacceptable, I believe, as it's against university policy to drink at all (at least when underage), so it would be sort of hypocritical. However I know some people who do it, and they have very little respect from me. When I get a phone call "Josh, I'm half drunk and I have to go to the res quad!" or something along those lines, I usually just hang up. It could be worse though; last year, apparently people came into work high. Glad I wasn't working back then, otherwise I would have said something.
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The Navy was this way in the early 80's as well, I remember more that one occasion going to lunch with you chief and having a couple bears with lunch, but that has changed through the 90's and into this century it is not tolerated at all.
BAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 11): My company keeps a fully stocked fridge of beers at all times. I'm talking like 12-15 crates at a time.
It was the same at the company I just finished working for in Amsterdam. Beer, wine, spirits...pretty much everything you could want. Although the only time anyone touched it was after 5pm every Friday at the weekly "borrel". And I should probably add that alcohol was not the only vice that some people enjoyed at those events too!
Having spent most of my working life working in and around London I was used to the Friday tradition of a few beers at lunchtime. It was almost expected that next to nothing would be done workwise on a Friday afternoon. In one particular job it was not uncommon for my boss to get her drinking head on and for the whole team to eventually phone a friendly administrator in the office to ask her to switch off our PCs and lock away our laptops...those sessions would go on late into the evening having started at noon!
I do remember one funny occasion when I was working at my first ever job. I was a computer operator at the time and we worked a 24 hour shift system. This particular day I was due to work the Sunday night shift, working from 8pm to 8am. There were three of us working that night, the shift manager plus two of us operators. The shift manager who had just worked the day shift said that there wasn't a lot going on and asked my shift manager if it was OK to take the two of us operators for a couple of beers. So off we went to the pub. To cut a long story short, I eventually rolled back into the office some three hours later barely able to speak, let alone work!! I still remember my shift manager asking me if I was "in control" as I sat there trying to type in commands to run nightly batch jobs. I of course said (or probably slurred!) that I was, but when I checked the printed audit trail of what I had done a day later, I obviously hadn't been in control, although luckily I had managed to do what was expected of me! Fortunately there really wasn't a lot to do that night, so we were allowed to go home a couple of hours later instead of working till 8am.
But these days it seems to be less of a common practice, people are just too busy to write off a whole working afternoon for the sake of a few lunchtime beers.
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18010 posts, RR: 57 Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2331 times:
Quoting tugger (Reply 3): And: "A toast to another excellent landing!" errr.... OK maybe not....
I hear that's how they do it at S7...
In medicine, of course, this is never allowed. That said, I have seen an exception. As a resident, I was on call and we ordered out for Italian food. When it showed up, there was a free bottle of wine. The senior resident went and got cups and each of us had about 5mm of it. When I was in Spain, it was Working Womens' Day and they served migas and sangria (albeit really weak sangria) in the hospital. That was a surprise for me. But in general, I find that Europeans are much more tolerant of alcohol as a part of life than Americans are.
Airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3327 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2320 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19): But in general, I find that Europeans are much more tolerant of alcohol as a part of life than Americans are.
Agreed with this. Having spent some good amounts of time there, it is totally OK. But then again in most aspects of life, they are more relaxed. Could write paragraphs of stories, but don't have the time.
Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 11): My company keeps a fully stocked fridge of beers at all times. I'm talking like 12-15 crates at a time. Anyone and everyone is allowed to drink at the end of the day - and most people do.
Awesome indeed. Not the drinking part per se (though thats great), but more the principal behind it.
I have no problem going out and having a beer during lunch and coming back to work. I feel more relaxed, and being in a sales role, more open on the phone and jovial. Helps to seal the deal sometimes!
andz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8360 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2320 times:
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15): Another incident involved a forklift operator using the bootstrap chain fall system to remove #1 engine on a 722. He was drunk or had been drinking and proceeded to bounce a JT-9D on the concrete when he lurched the forklift back to quickly ... ouch.
That must have been some badass 727 with JT-9Ds!!!!
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I always make sure there is more than 12 hours between the start of my shift and my last drink.
I have been guilty of the one off late drinking night before work. But never again, I had to ask my registrar if I could take a couple of hours break to get a coffee and a nap.
I wouldnt go any where near alcohol while at work though, just as id expect my pilot/bus driver or anyone in direct control of my safety to do the same.
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18010 posts, RR: 57 Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2293 times:
Quoting BA6590 (Reply 22):
I always make sure there is more than 12 hours between the start of my shift and my last drink.
I go with 8. 8 hours from bottle to bedside. But then, I rarely drink and when I do I don't get drunk. It's been a long time since I was impaired enough that, for example, I would be unable to operate a car. I typically drink one and call it quits.