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Question Regarding Assist Rule In Football.  
User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Just something I've been wondering about for a while now...

I know that if player 1 passes the ball to player 2 who then scores a goal, he is credited with the assist.

But what if player 1 strikes for goal, the keeper saves, and player 2 scores on the rebound. (Or if player 1 hits the crossbar, goalpost etc before player 2 scores.) Does player 1 still get credited with the assist for the goal?

If anyone knows the rules regarding assists, I'd be happy to hear what they are.

Thom@s


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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5504 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Man, it sure sounds like you're talking about *soccer*!

(grin)



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Wiki is your friend. Is there anything NOT on that site?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(football)



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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 1):
Man, it sure sounds like you're talking about *soccer*!

No, I'm talking about football. That sport where players primarilly kick the ball, as opposed to carrying or throwing it using their arms...  
Quoting oly720man (Reply 2):
Wiki is your friend.

Provided that friend is reliable enough to be trusted, yes.  

Thanks for the info. It answered my question.

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 1):
Man, it sure sounds like you're talking about *soccer*!

The whole world except the USA calls it football.

World governing body F.I.F.A. - Federation of International FOOTBALL Associations.

Oh of course I forget Americans call that game where they carry or throw the ball football, bit of an oxymoron that one.


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 4):
Oh of course I forget Americans call that game where they carry or throw the ball football, bit of an oxymoron that one.

"Not all americans are morons, just most of us."
- Moby.

  

I have to go now, I think I hear a thread derailing...

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting Thom@s (Thread starter):

But what if player 1 strikes for goal, the keeper saves, and player 2 scores on the rebound. (Or if player 1 hits the crossbar, goalpost etc before player 2 scores.) Does player 1 still get credited with the assist for the goal?

Actually, that apparently does count as an assist. Also, if a person draws a penalty but doesn't then take the penalty (Henry draws the penalty, Zidane shoots and scores) then the person drawing the penalty gets an assist.

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 4):

The whole world except the USA calls it football.

Your neighbors across the Tasman and those who live in our hat also generally call it soccer.

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 4):

World governing body F.I.F.A. - Federation of International FOOTBALL Associations.

Actually, that's not what the acronym means. As with most world bodies, the acronym is in French and stands for Fédération Internationale de Football Association. In English, that's the International Federation of Association Football. Because Association Football is the full name of the game the Brazilians are really good at. And the term Soccer actually originated in the UK, where they love shortening things, in this case it is derived from the word As(soc)iation.

Other kinds of football:

Rugby Football
Australian Football (perhaps my favorite)
Gaelic Football
Gridiron Football: 2 versions of that - American and Canadian. Also known as "armball" in Europe  



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User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 3):
No, I'm talking about football. That sport where players primarilly kick the ball, as opposed to carrying or throwing it using their arms...

Well, at least we don't use our heads to hit the bloody ball! "My head, the seat of my intellect, font of knowledge...I'm gonna hit a ball with it!"  

That said, this question is very interesting to me since it's one of the areas where not-American-football (heh) is similar to the greatest of team sports, hockey...the assist rules are very similar.

(And note to Wikipedia, it's not "ice hockey"...the game placed on grass is "field hockey", the game played on ice is just "hockey".)

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 4):
The whole world except the USA calls it football.

Then why is the Aussie national team nicknamed the "Socceroos"?  

And Canadians call it "soccer" too.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 7):

Well, at least we don't use our heads to hit the bloody ball! "My head, the seat of my intellect, font of knowledge...I'm gonna hit a ball with it!"

No, we just bash them into each other until we clog them with tau protein sludge.

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 7):

That said, this question is very interesting to me since it's one of the areas where not-American-football (heh) is similar to the greatest of team sports, hockey...the assist rules are very similar.

Actually, the assist rule in hockey is probably the loosest in all of sports. The football rule is closer to the basketball one to me.



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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Your neighbors across the Tasman and those who live in our hat also generally call it soccer

Soccer, even in Oz is rapidly falling out of use as a term. Soccer has never found widespread use in the countries where it had been traditionally played for some considerable time in the (UK it is usually only referred to as soccer by the rugby fraternity). Point is about 90% of the world's population would use the term football. Or in reverse if you were to tell 90% of the population of the planet you were going to a football match they would assume you meant what you and a minority of the planet call soccer.


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5504 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2223 times:

Yeah, yeah...

...but what about Footy - now THAT is a man's game!



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 9):
Or in reverse if you were to tell 90% of the population of the planet you were going to a football match they would assume you meant what you and a minority of the planet call soccer.

You assume too much. I generally call Association Football football, especially when talking to someone from outside the US, Canada or Australia.



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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Association Football is a term used only by other codes, primarily having its origins in 19th Century England to differentiate between Football governed by the Football Association (FA) and the Rugby Football Union. Nowhere within any (Association) football governing body outside N America will you find the terms Soccer or Association football used.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
You assume too much. I generally call Association Football football, especially when talking to someone from outside the US, Canada or Australia.



As you should, it is the GLOBAL term. Therefore my assumption is correct, however your countryman is not so accommodating to the majority...

Quoting sccutler (Reply 1):
Man, it sure sounds like you're talking about *soccer*!
Quoting exFATboy (Reply 7):
Then why is the Aussie national team nicknamed the "Socceroos"?  

I cannot account for our trans-tasman friends, it is only a nick name however. Australians do have a bit of an identity crisis when it come to which code of football is their true national sport  . It has only been in recent years (relatively speaking) that Aussie Rules has been played outside of the state of Victoria. Indeed the before the AFL we had the VFL.

All this is getting way off topic, sparked by the comment by sccutler in reply #1. Fact is this is a worldwide forum so let's use the global term as used by the vast majority of the world's population, and not the minority term used by at most, 400 million of the worlds 6.5 billion population.


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