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Is The Internet Becoming A Bad Thing  
User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 297 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

We know the effect it is having on print and cds, which is expected and by itself not totally alarming, but...

All over the world, bookstores, music stores, furniture stores and even some boutiques are shuttering up because they cannot compete with the internet's lack of brick and mortar, plus the fact they are tax havens most everywhere. Thousands are losing their jobs, large tracks of retail are rusting away.

Information is basically unsubstantiated, and extremists left and right dominate the internet and have forced tv and radio outlets to become more extreme themselves. Not only are networks no longer ''in the middle'' (I know many will dispute they ever were which is fine), but there is a difference between havinga bias and putting up completely misleading and even false information. Networks increasingly are doing so and being caught. It makes little difference after the fact since people will believe the original story and not bother to verify it later.

Families are more ''separated'' than ever. In many countries family time including dinnertime is at all time lows. Some families claim their members don's see each other in days. Beyond families, people hide in social networks and do not go out and socialize with real people.

Governments everywhere are losing tax revenue to the internet and are increasingly forced to cut services. While many blame the current recession in many developed countries, some economist argue the internet is zapping away revenue. For the first time I feel it is time to begin taxing all transactions online as they would on a real store, in fact probably 1-2% more tax, plus institute some sort of online version of a ''property tax''.

Is the internet starting to get to be a little too powerful and in fact harming global economic, cultural and social ways?

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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

None of what you said can be blamed fully on the internet alone.

User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3592 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

Same thing could be said for everything that substantially changed our way of life. Bad things come along with the good things.

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
it is time to begin taxing all transactions online as they would on a real store

So far I have been paying VAT or Sales Tax normally when I shop online. I am not sure how it works when you shop online from a different state here in the US, but if there is a tax hole there, it is the government's responsibility to compensate for it or plug it altogether.

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
All over the world, bookstores, music stores, furniture stores and even some boutiques are shuttering up because they cannot compete with the internet's lack of brick and mortar, plus the fact they are tax havens most everywhere. Thousands are losing their jobs, large tracks of retail are rusting away.

They may become fewer, but normal stores will continue to exist. People still want to see some things up close before they buy them, even if it is not as convenient as shopping online.

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
print and cds

Good! Wasting less paper and other materials is a good thing.

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
Some families claim their members don's see each other in days..

I would say this is more of a problem with specific families and their members than with the internet.


User currently offlineflykev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1388 times:
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I think I will have to disagree with you on this I am afraid.
Yes, the shutting of many non online businesses is bad, and will never be good - however there is no reason to punish us the public for the fact that it is inevitably cheaper to shop online. You also cannot deny the larger range of products that we can buy online; I have purchased many an item that just wouldn't be available in stores - let alone knowing where I would begin.

With TV, I am firm in the belief that the internet will replace TV as we know it now. I'm not sure I would say its changed all that much to keep with the internet - if it has, I am certain it is to remain competitive. Lets not forget creations such as Hulu, BBC iPlayer and the likes, which allow me to catch my favourite TV programs any time I want and not when the networks see fit to air it.

Lets also not forget that the internet allows everyone to have more of a voice, whether it is someone from Kentucky just wanting to share his opinion on Why he feels the government is not helping him enough, to the 20 year old student concerned about their fees.

The internet has broadened and will keep on broadening our views, opinions. I personally am here chatting on a forum with thousands of members all scattered amongst the globe reading, sharing and learning. That would never be possible without the internet.
I follow the NHL quite fanatically, I am a big Ice Hockey fan. without my online subscription to ESPN, and access to team websites and the like I would not be able to pursue this interest as I would simply not even be aware of its existence.
You make a fair point on the separating families, however let us remember that with the internet it is actually possible for some families to stay in touch that much better. Take for example the thousands of families who live scattered across the globe. With technology such as video chat, voip and the likes it allows them to get in touch and to see each other more. Sure, people may not be physically connecting with each other as much now - but the whole social curve is changing.

The internet plays a big part of how the world works these days. Its a global communication, business, and social tool.

Kev.

[Edited 2011-03-29 13:43:44]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 2):

Same thing could be said for everything that substantially changed our way of life.

  
There is some example, I forgot the wording exactly, but when cars were invented it affected all the horse-and-buggy operators. Retail will lose jobs, yes, but internet companies will increase jobs. Just the way things go.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9401 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1250 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 1):
None of what you said can be blamed fully on the internet alone.

What he said.

Quoting lewis (Reply 2):
Same thing could be said for everything that substantially changed our way of life. Bad things come along with the good things.

And what he said.

Hell, digital cameras are putting the film industry out of business. But I sure ain't gonna go buy a film camera!

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
extremists left and right dominate the internet

They do?

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
Families are more ''separated'' than ever.

They are?

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
Beyond families, people hide in social networks and do not go out and socialize with real people.

Good. Less competition.   



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15494 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

All these cars are driving farriers out of business!   


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User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 5):

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
extremists left and right dominate the internet

They do?

No, but reading the comments on Yahoo articles and YouTube videos leads me to believe that dumbasses (left and right) dominate the internet!



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User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

It is one thing to replace buggies with cars, and assembly lines with robots... film with digital, the underlying entity still exists.

The internet shopping concept is different, it is making ''real'' entities dissapear.

The way things are going, I believe retail is under real threat of dissapearing in many areas. People think it is not possible, but it already is happening. In 5 years even, you may not be able to get something ''right away'' (a book, a movie blue ray, shoes, a nutritional supplement), because bookstores, record stores, specialty shops and shoe stores will be totally gone. There simply won't be enough demand for them (even as everyone would still appreciate them being around), and tax disadvantages are killing them.

You will have to wait at least 24 hours to get the item (with movies perhaps being the exception going the way of music), but for the other stuff tough luck, you won't have a physical location to run and get it.

And a hefty priority shipping bill.


User currently offlineflykev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1114 times:
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Quoting CometII (Reply 8):
n 5 years even, you may not be able to get something ''right away'' (a book, a movie blue ray, shoes, a nutritional supplement)

Just going to play devils advocate here, but in 5 years I imagine eBooks will out weigh sales of actual books, which obviously have instant delivery; people will download or stream movies even more than now. Physical media in a few years time will be a thing of the past IMO - this is evident with companies such as netflix now offering online movie only packages). Items like nutritional supplements will still be around in stores, such as pharmacies and super stores - I cannot foresee for example places like Walmart, Target of K-Mart taking a huge hit over the next 5 years.
The internet is however making us less wasteful, and in many ways online shopping will help the environment by taking some unnecessary traffic off the road.

Towns will never fully disappear off the map, but they will change in what they offer.

Kev.



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User currently offlineairtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1557 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1040 times:

Surely not a bad thing IMHO. Some people loose their jobs for sure, and sadly this is not going to stop, be it directly or indirectly internet's fault, but other folks will happily find new opportunities...
As for being separated from my family, I have to say that I would maybe have never moved to Belgium without the internet, but internet also allows me to keep in touch with my family way more often than I would be able otherwise...
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User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 989 times:

I do some shopping on the Internet, but there are still several items I will not just buy online.

Shoes, I prefer to see the shoes and try them on to see if they fit right. Sizes are not always the same with different manufacturers.

Food, even though you can go to supermarket sites now and buy groceries I prefer to do my own shopping first hand there.

Clothing, it may look nice on the website but does it really fit correctly and is it actually the same material as what you think you see in the picture.

And there are other types of items as well, including some electronics and more that I would rather see at the store and purchase at the store.

I really do not like the hassle of shipping something back that I don't like after finding out is wasn't working or looking as advertised.


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 984 times:

Quoting CometII (Reply 8):
Quoting flykev (Reply 9):

But if Star Trek is correct, "replicators" may appear someday--allowing instant generation of a product from a device like a 3-D fax machine. For those unfamiliar with Star Trek, the "replicator" was a device common by the 24th century (the Star Trek: The Next Generation timeline). If you wanted a meal, or even a guitar or clarinet, you could verbally "order" the item and the replicator would generate it via a matter conversion technique. (On a TNG episode, someone ordered a guitar from the replicator, and on a VOY episode, one of the Voyager crewmembers saved up his replicator rations to generate himself a clarinet (his was left at home)).

Recently, I have seen articles in magazines about machines that can generate 3-D objects similar to the process used by a fax machine. One magazine article featured a green violin that had been "replicated", and played just as beautifully as any real violin.

In the medical field, especially in craniofacial and maxillofacial surgery (I have seen this myself!), doctors can take the data from a CT scan, compile the "slices" in the computer, and, from a type of 3-D "fax machine", generate a 3-D stereolithographic model of the patient's skull! I myself had a cone-beam CT scan done at UCSF Medical Center by the craniofacial team, and I have the CD with all the data on it. If I had the money, I would have a 3-D stereolithographic model made of my own skull--which has all the skeletal malformations characteristic of my craniofacial disorder (Treacher Collins syndrome). Yes, my CD of my own CT scan contains all the data necessary to do this.

Now, look into the future a bit. Imagine that a "replicator" type machine becomes available, and eventually prices for this technology come down enough for it to become commonplace (like fax machines or copiers are commonplace today). Connected to a computer linked to the Internet, you could go shopping online for anything from (portable, simple) musical instruments to toys to shoes. Then you would pay for the item online. There would be no shipping charges (but maybe a nominal charge for the convenience of replicator use).

Once your oder was placed and paid for, the replicator linked to the computer would activate, and in a short time (seconds or minutes), a reasonable facsimile of the desired object would be generated.

What technology would the "replicator" use? It could either be a variation of the Star Trek transporter (matter-energy conversion), but on a simpler scale for inanimate objects (but not for transporting humans), or it could operate on the principle of a 3-D fax machine--by generating a "copy" of the original object from stored matter (by molecular resequencing). Using the latter technology, the sender could put the original object in a scanner, which would then send the CT-scan-like data to the receiving terminal, which would generate a facsimile of the object, just like the aforementioned cone-beam CT scan stereolithographic model system used by craniofacial and maxillofacial surgeons.

Try to imagine what kind of economy that would be...

SmithAir747



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