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Whirlpool Vs. Amana Appliance Quality?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 24064 times:

We recently bought an Amana ADB1400AWS stainless steel dishwasher online, thus completing our stainess steel kitchen. As everyone should know, Amana is owned by Whirlpool. The model we bought appears to be near identical to
DU1015XTXS aside a few cosmetic differences. However, we found the Amana to be about $50 cheaper on The Home Depot's website than what was being offered for the Whirlpool. We should be getting it on Saturday.

So I was wondering, should we be concerned about any difference in quality between the Amana we bought vs. an equivalent Whirlpool model?


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User currently offlinerleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 24041 times:

I've had an Amana stove for over 10 years and I am very happy with it. Generally all Whirlpool / Amana appliances are of good quality, so I don't think there would be any difference between them.

Saludos,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 24031 times:

I'll tell you my experiences with Whirlpool appliances, don't buy them. I had to replace my Whirlpool dishwasher after five an half years and my Whirlpol refrigertaot leaked water all over my hardwood floors in the kitchen.

User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 24009 times:

My parents have had a 'Whirlpool Gold' dishwasher, fridge and stove for just over 13 years now. Everything works fine except for the dishwasher which in the past few months hasn't been cleaning as well, and last year one of the elements in the stove had to be replaced. As a result she ordered new Kitchen Aid appliances (also made by Whirlpool) and is selling the old fridge and stove since they still work great. My place also has 'Whirlpool Gold' appliances which work really well, except sometimes I find the fridge a bit noisy I assume they are as old as my building which was built 10 years ago, I moved in nearly 4 years ago. We don't have Amana appliances in Canada however so I can't compare but in my experience Whirlpool works great for years.

Whirlpool corporation makes so many of the appliances that we buy since they own so many brands such as Kitchen Aid, Jen-Air, Maytag etc.



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 23978 times:

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 3):
We don't have Amana appliances in Canada

Yes, we do. Home Depot sells the Amana line.

Man, you need to go European if you want a quality dishwasher. The North American built stuff just isn't as good. Why spend $1,200 on a Kitchen-Aid dishwasher that is just a re-badged Whirlpool unit when you can get an Asko or a Bosch for the same money that is far superior.

Miele, Asko, Bosch are the way to go in the world of dishwashers.



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User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 23962 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
Yes, we do. Home Depot sells the Amana line.

Interesting I never knew that, I've never seen an Amana appliance in my life and had been told it was a US only product line.

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
Man, you need to go European if you want a quality dishwasher.

Around here he have a more limited choice than you have access to. (I noticed your from out west.) For example we have no dealers with a showroom for Miele or Asko but I do agree they make great dishwashers from what I have heard about them.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 23933 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
Miele, Asko, Bosch are the way to go in the world of dishwashers.



I have a Bosch dishwasher that replaced my Whirlpool Gold. It's much quieter and efficient and it's built in North Carolina.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23884 times:

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 3):
Everything works fine except for the dishwasher which in the past few months hasn't been cleaning as well,

Don't blame that on the Dishwasher.. Seriously.. Go right now and look at the detergent you are using. I'm willing to bet with with a 99.9% certainly, that your detergent says "phosphate free." THAT is the problem. A couple of left-wing wacko environmental states, (Washington State, California), have baned phosphates in detergent. Instead of making two formula's, the detergent companies have given in and realized that this is the future and just about all states now get phosphate free stuff.

Do some research. The phosphate free stuff just doesn't work. There have been a huge amount of complaints to dish washer companies about all of a sudden they stop cleaning like they did. The answer is simply the detergent.

Score one for the environmental wackos, and a loss to the everyday consumer. Just another in a long string of failures we are forced to use, like low flush toilets that clog, etc...

Here are three NOT RIGHTWING websites that give you the lowdown... Sucks to be us, huh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/science/earth/19clean.html
http://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132072...-fault-your-dishes-are-still-dirty
http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/prod...lab-blog/phosphate-free-detergents



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User currently offlinecurtisman From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1002 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 23838 times:

Another Western Canadian boy here  

I'm a Fisher & Paykel man. I absolutely love these New Zealand products. They do have a Canadian website.

Check out their Dish Drawers - instead of a dish washer.

I have their washing machine too and it is beyond amazing. It has no belts to turn it - same as the dishwasher. It works on electro magnets - much like the Japanese train. In my washing machine, for example, the drum 'floats' on the electro magnets. Throw in the clothes and hit go. The machine determines how much laundry is in their and only uses the amount of water required based on the amount. Some of their newer ones can even determine laundry type apparently. Then the machine can spin so fast because of the magnets that the clothes come out close to dry. So the energy savings is in how it washes and how fast it spins. When the clothes come out they go in the dryer for a much shorter period than normal because they are almost dry.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7655 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23833 times:

Quoting curtisman (Reply 8):
I'm a Fisher & Paykel man. I absolutely love these New Zealand products. They do have a Canadian website.

Check out their Dish Drawers - instead of a dish washer.

+1 even Whirlpool see rebranded Fisher & Paykel dishdrawers.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8421 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23829 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
Why spend $1,200 on a Kitchen-Aid dishwasher that is just a re-badged Whirlpool unit when you can get an Asko or a Bosch for the same money that is far superior.

Why pay full retail when discounts are everywhere. We just bought a Kitchen-Aid (stainless) for under $600. Looked at the Bosch along with other brands and reviewed Consumer Reports.

Quoting curtisman (Reply 8):
I'm a Fisher & Paykel man.

Several places we looked indicated that they had a higher level of service problems with F&P than other brands. Seems that this is a US problem, which might be due to our 110v electrical system, as we have family members overseas who have had outstanding performance from theirs.


User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3671 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23819 times:

I dunno about nowadays, but Amanas used to be very reliable. Our Amana fridge back home is already 30 years old and still going strong!

User currently offlineDucatiRacer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 23808 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 10):
Several places we looked indicated that they had a higher level of service problems with F&P than other brands. Seems that this is a US problem, which might be due to our 110v electrical system, as we have family members overseas who have had outstanding performance from theirs.



We have had a drawer type washer from F&P that is 5 years old now and going strong with no issues whatsoever. We run a drawer almost every day. Based on our experience, I would recommend one, particularly if you have a small family (there are just 2 of us), as it allows you to run very small loads efficiently.

Prior to the F&P (in our last house), we had a Bosch dishwasher and it performed flawlessly as well. We installed it when we bought that house, but we sold the place 2 years later. Accordingly, I cannot speak for the long term reliability of the Bosch.


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 23797 times:

Consumer Reports said a few years ago don't expect new appliances to last more than 7 or 8 years before replacement becomes due. It's just the way things are made these days.

You can buy phosphates to add to your DW detergent. We have a newer Maytag dishwasher. It performed well until last fall. Then we started getting white spots on the glassware and cutlery. Before long, the stainless steel interior had white streaks everywhere. Sure enough, the detergent we had been using (Cascade) went phosphate free. I went to Big Lots and stocked up on what they had left of the phosphated detergents. We only use that stash for the really dirty loads.

So we bought a tub of STPP and add 1/2 tsp with each load. The insides of the Maytag look like new again and we don't have white spots everywhere.

We started using Walmarts cheapo DW detergent and with STPP added, it cleans as well as the top shelf stuff does.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 23783 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 13):
So we bought a tub of STPP and add 1/2 tsp with each load.

Ohhhh, I so have to ask.. Where exactly did you get this? I'm buying 10 tubs before they outlaw this stuff.. I *need* to know!!!!

Thanks!



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User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 23768 times:

You can obtain STPP from various sources on the internet including this one.

http://www.chemistrystore.com/cart.cgi?group=88696&child=88793

This stuff goes a long way. A 5 lb bucket of the stuff will do your dishwashing and laundry for about a year!


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5579 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23757 times:

Got a Kitchen Aid, going strong after (as best I can tell) 44 years. Had to replace the water fill solenoid valve last year; double valve to prevent overflows in case one diaphragm fails - excellent design.

I disagree that the Euro appliances are "better" - in an apples to apples comparison, they're roughly equivalent to the similarly-priced domestically-manufactured models - but service cost and availability are stunning.

Happy with current crop of GE washers.



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User currently offlineflynlr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23740 times:

or you can buy a case of the good stuff here..
http://www.restockit.com/cascade-aut...detergent-85-oz-%2834953pg%29.html

it has worked great after using the non phosphate stuff for 1/2 a year. finally the dishes are clean again ,



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User currently offlineronglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23717 times:

I'm not exactly proud of this, but in the last couple of years, I've found myself talking to other husbands about household stuff, the way wives were depicted as discussing the same kinds of things back in 1970's commercials!

At our house, I'm the designated dish-washer - well, actually head of a one-man kitchen cleaning staff. We've got a dish washer too, but I don't see what the hell use it is. After a regular meal, I've got so many pots, pans, and bowls to hand wash because they won't fit into a dishwasher, that doing a few saucers, dishes, and the cutlery is no extra big deal. You can get all that stuff clean with a little elbow grease, never mind the phosphates!


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 23690 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 15):
You can obtain STPP from various sources on the internet including this one.
Quoting flynlr (Reply 17):
or you can buy a case of the good stuff here..

Thank you both so very much!



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 23663 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 10):
Why pay full retail when discounts are everywhere. We just bought a Kitchen-Aid (stainless) for under $600. Looked at the Bosch along with other brands and reviewed Consumer Reports.

You can buy a Bosch for under $500. Kitchen-Aid dishwashers are just re-branded Whirlpool models. Same with Jenn-Air, same with Maytag, etc, etc.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 16):
I disagree that the Euro appliances are "better" - in an apples to apples comparison, they're roughly equivalent to the similarly-priced domestically-manufactured models

They're not. North American dishwashers are noisier, inefficient and their build quality isn't equal to their European counterparts.

You get what you pay for. The best dishwashers are European designed. Period.



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5579 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 23640 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 20):
They're not. North American dishwashers are noisier, inefficient and their build quality isn't equal to their European counterparts.

You get what you pay for. The best dishwashers are European designed. Period.

To borrow an A.net staple, "That's just your opinion!" (which statement always cracks me up, because, for goodness' sake, who else's opinion might it be?)

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My perspective is high-volume commercial tenants (big-money offices, etc.), in which both cost and quiet are valued, and reliability valued above all else. IF the Bosch (or F&P or Asko) were legitimately and measurably better, they'd be going into these applications without another minute of discussion. Based upon my commercial clients (who in the aggregate probably install several thousand of these beasties a year, certainly enough to draw some reasonably valid conclusions), there is no benefit (up front) to the Euro models, and when service is required, substantial problems.

As for noise, I have to tell you, when the new GE in my office is running, you have to look at it and see the digital display of how much time is left in the cycle, to tell whether it's on.

FWIW, the current "gotta have" dishwashers for the "my house is more expensive than your house," custom-build homes, are the Askos. Dunno why - they just spray water and soap on dishes like every other one out there.

I like the convenience aspect of a dual-drawer F&P - but doubt I'd like it enough to justify the price premium. Not likely to find out until my Kitchen Aid dies, and that might be another 20 years! (grin)



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7965 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 23608 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 7):
Go right now and look at the detergent you are using. I'm willing to bet with with a 99.9% certainly, that your detergent says "phosphate free." THAT is the problem. A couple of left-wing wacko environmental states, (Washington State, California), have baned phosphates in detergent.

I think Germany and some other european countries as well started to ban phosphate in detergents back in the 80s. All phospate does is to make the water more "soft" and should be easily replaceable. I wouldn't call them 'wackos' as well. Not sure about the U.S., but here in Europe phosphate did cause problems, and no one I know wants phosphate back in detertgents.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 23553 times:

A little update, we just did our first test run of our new Amana dishwasher last night, and the results were impressive! It cleaned our dishes much better than our previous Frigidaire dishwasher.


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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23538 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 22):
I wouldn't call them 'wackos' as well

Well I would. A "whacko," when it comes to environmentalism is easily defined. It's any one who pushes a solution that in the end causes more problems. A "whacko" proposes that a solution to the gas problem is to use one of the highest used food crop as a fuel supplement, i.e. ethanol and corn. The "whacko" sees burning our food supply as a solution.
A "whacko" also sees a car filled with a few hundred pounds of lithium and lead/acid filled batteries that will die a long death buried in the earth about 5 years later yet another solution. A "whacko" will also propose coal fired plants provide electricity to charge so-called "eco-friendly" electric cars. A "whacko" will also be happy with taking out phosphates at the user level which causes people wash and re-wash using more water and coal fired electricity.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 22):
no one I know wants phosphate back in detertgents.

Which has an easy explanation... just jump up to reply #3 where AirCanada787 noticed a big cleaning problem but yet had no clue to the real reason. I'm betting that "no one" wants phosphates back because they have no clue their are missing.

Now, would you like a non-whacko solution to the problem? Why don't we come up with a way to cleanse the phosphates from the waste water at the water treatment plant. That way, the leftover stuff going back into the rivers/lakes/earth is phosphate free. Everyone still has clean dishes and the water plant takes the stuff out. See, that's a non-"whacko" method. Solve the problem while not creating new ones.



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25 jfk69 : Count me as one of these people. Have the double drawer dishwasher and I do like it, but 6 months in the drying fan broke. Part was under warranty so
26 Post contains images luv2cattlecall : [ Lowe's has TSP near the paint section, right around the deck cleaning chemicals. Make sure you don't get the "alternative," it's about as good as ba
27 GuitrThree : SWEET! I have a return to do there in the next few days.. looks like my moneys going right back into their register! Thanks!
28 type-rated : TSP is not the same as STTP. TSP is used by painters to take the gloss off walls before painting. STTP is used as a water softener in dishwashing dete
29 Post contains images FRAspotter : My mom up until last year still had her Amana Microwave which was a wedding gift when my parents married in 1984. They got rid of it last year not bec
30 GuitrThree : I've heard mixed results from people using both. Some say one works better than the other, but I went ahead and got the TSP just because I can use it
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