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US Government Shutdown - Who Here Is Affected?  
User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5611 posts, RR: 8
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

So it looks likely there will be an imminent shutdown of the "non-essential" government services and also a "stop work" on many government related contracts. And I realize that there will be people here that are affected, I wish the best to those affected and hope everything turns out well if this does happen.

I am not wanting a discussion about politics and the money and the government, etc. (we all know those lead to fiery back-and-forth's between a few posters and do little). I am just wondering who is affected and how you are handling it, what are you doing to prepare (if you can) and what do you plan to do during it?

Here hoping that anything that happens is brief and does not affect you badly.
Thanks,

Tugg


I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Me! Though the National Guard is having trouble paying me anyway. I don't feel bad for myself, but I do feel bad for the service members deployed that will be missing half of their next paycheck... (hopefully they won't be affected by the shut down)


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

I am not, I work in private industry.

My fiance is a government employee, she is an economist for the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. However, from all we have heard, the Fed will remain open...we'll see if that turns out to be true or not! Our understanding is that, since it doesn't rely on Congressional funds, it would be OK.


User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

I'm affected via the FAA....

It's a retarded situation for me atleast; since currently I'm down at OKC doing some equipment training. While I'm in training; i'm considered non-essential. But the moment I get back to my duty station; I regain my essential status.

I heard congress was trying to fund the pentagon on a seperate budget; so the military should make it out ok.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

So, can we soon expect the US dollar to rally, the Dow Jones to sky-rocket and private industry in the US to show a flowering worthy of spring?

No, why not?   


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

It's a crazy situation that I hope I never encounter in my life. Really unfair too. Maybe those politicians of BOTH sides might equally like to pay public service people out of their own earnings.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
Me! Though the National Guard is having trouble paying me anyway. I don't feel bad for myself, but I do feel bad for the service members deployed that will be missing half of their next paycheck... (hopefully they won't be affected by the shut down)

That stinks.   regardless of being overseas or not. When you are doing that, you should have some job security at least and not have to worry if you are going to get paid or not.

[Edited 2011-04-07 11:22:05]

User currently offlinegocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4346 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

I guess my end of month paycheck will reflect to one weeks worth of pay if this doesn't get resolved. I hope this does not effect my COLA and my overseas housing allowance which pays my $2,400 /mo house and bills. We'll see what happens.

User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
No, why not

1. Because it is only temporary
2. Because shutting down and restarting some facilities is more expensive than leaving them open.
3. Because the MC's at this 3 ring circus will not be harmed and will still be in place at the end of the day.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

It might affect my company, as myself and our route driver have deliveries to snack bars/sundries shops in some US government buildings and facilities. So if federal buildings and the offices of Federal agencies not in government buildings are subject to the shutdown, we may be affected by it.

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8283 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

I'm fortunate in that I'm protected financially and will be safe until November 2012 if needed. I have a nephew who is with the INS and his job may be on hold. (What are the odds that the Border Patrol will be considered essential.)

Quoting mmedford (Reply 3):
I heard congress was trying to fund the pentagon on a seperate budget; so the military should make it out ok.

The last I heard, there was a one week CR being proposed that would protect the DoD through the end of the FY. Unfortunately it had a lot of other add ons that will not get passed in the Senate. A clean CR and DoD protection would fly to Obama's desk. We can hope.


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 11):
The GOP won the House of Representatives in November and they hold the power to pass budget bills.

Whilst I do agree with you here, I also have to say that from the other side of the pond it indeed looks a lot like

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
They have a talent to make the US look a lot like a banana republic.

To be fair: I see European countries/govs on the same track, so we shouldn't point fingers (this time)

Back on topic: is there any chapter in the constitution that deals with this kind of situation? I mean one internally created vulnerability of the nation sure wasn't what Hamilton etc. had in mind.



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User currently onlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3047 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

In the past government shut downs the non-essential got the time off an their pay to boot. Sort of like paid vacation.
I know a few government employee's and they are getting excited about some extra time off with pay in the Spring. Look at all the government shut downs for many days at a time this winter due to the snow storms.

Okie


User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8842 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 9):
I'm fortunate in that I'm protected financially and will be safe until November 2012 if needed. I have a nephew who is with the INS and his job may be on hold. (What are the odds that the Border Patrol will be considered essential.)

Don't count on it. Greta van Sustren on Fox is reporting that during the shutdown, the US Military will NOT get paid, but members of Congress and the White House staff will. As you know, it is the President who decides on this.

That just pisses me off. They are the ones who fu&$ed us all up, and they will continue to pay themselves, but the troops get the finger.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offline76794p From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

My class trip to the grand canyon. If the park close,our contingency plan is to head to lake mead for the trip.


There's always money IN the banana stand.
User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
They are the ones who fu&$ed us all up, and they will continue to pay themselves, but the troops get the finger.

Yeah, the congress people (Republicans AND Democrats) along with white house staff shouldn't get paid either, if the troops don't get paid.

The troops are putting their lives on the line at the moment, and this is how they are repaid? That's so wrong. Same with public service people. What did they do to deserve this - not their fault that the politicians on both sides want to play petty partisan politics.


User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
the US Military will NOT get paid, but members of Congress and the White House staff will. As you know, it is the President who decides on this.

AFAIK the members of Congress/White House will not be paid on time, but retroactively, which also applies to the military and all essential staff. Nobody will be paid on time, again AFAIK.
The treasury department would run on a limited basis: "

"Treasury's operational plans are still being finalized, but … core functions necessary to maintain our nation's financial systems and economic security will continue, including management of the government's cash position, our borrowing and debt programs and processing of electronically filed tax returns,” a Treasury spokeswoman, who asked to not be identified, said in an e-mail."

Read more: http://www.pionline.com/article/2011...7/DAILYREG/110409920#ixzz1ItjfAiVV

Quoting Dreadnought..."As you know, it is the President who decides on this. "

Again AFAIK the President only decides WHO is essential, not WHETHER they will be paid. The Congress via the budget or CR decides whether they will be paid. The President only assigns who is essential and must work during the shutdown. He has no control over financing the essential staff. That being said, some departments have reported extra cash they could use up to next friday to pay essential employees. After that, no-one can solve this except Congress.

[Edited 2011-04-07 20:20:59]


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
That just pisses me off. They are the ones who fu&$ed us all up, and they will continue to pay themselves, but the troops get the finger.

Seriously. To quote my co-worker's husband, who is a surgeon at Tripler Army Medical Center here in HNL, "I ain't doing this **** for free!!!"



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

I will not be getting paid, but I am one of the few, that has no debt, and a big chunk put away, I don't even have to balance my checkbook. That being said, I think it is absolutely pathetic that this being allowed to happen, and it is only a political ploy, and they can all point the finger at one another all they want, but I hold all of them responsible, and think they should all be fired, if this is allowed to happen.

User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1467 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

I will be affected since I'm active duty. I'm not downplaying the situation however I have to wonder if this is all smoke and mirrors or media hype. I can’t remember when the government has shutdown or stopped a payday in my 19+ years in the military. Luckily I have some extra money saved up that I was going to use to pay off my debts just in case. From my understanding we wont be furloughed and will have to work but will receive back pay for the days missed.

Regards, Mike


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 7):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
No, why not

1. Because it is only temporary
2. Because shutting down and restarting some facilities is more expensive than leaving them open.
3. Because the MC's at this 3 ring circus will not be harmed and will still be in place at the end of the day.

But surely although limited it is a promising start on the way to nirvana, Utopia and much less government is it not? Time and time again, government facilities are no good. So even a temporary cessation must be good??


User currently offlinelowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1685 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 19):
Time and time again, government facilities are no good. So even a temporary cessation must be good??

Ref #2. A temporary cessation is like a resort vacation. On the surface it may look good, but at the end, you are a few pounds heavier, hung over, and way over budget.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1679 times:

Quoting lowrider (Reply 20):
On the surface it may look good, but at the end, you are a few pounds heavier, hung over, and way over budget.

Well, as you well know - taking tongue out of cheek - I agree. Just as rescuing the US from a depression was quite a bright idea, not particularly well done as it happens, but still t'were done better than had it not been done at all.

To work out how much of a mess Wall St made of the US, note that the $A was at something like 0.88cUS before the GFC and is now at $1.05. Certainly there is a China effect. But with a touch of skill, closing down the US government could do it all over again. Still at that rate, Boeings will get very cheap, if they ever manage to make 'em!


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8283 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Don't count on it. Greta van Sustren on Fox is reporting that during the shutdown, the US Military will NOT get paid, but members of Congress and the White House staff will. As you know, it is the President who decides on this.

Fox would have made a big deal out of this, but it's a pretty obscene play by the Republicans.

Protection of military personnel COULD have been inserted into any previous CR without a problem. It could be in a One Day CR with just the military personnel added and signed into law today. Republicans won't go for that, regardless of the support they pretend to have for military personnel.

The military personnel issue was simply added into this CR (and only this CR  Wow! ) in order to hide the real argument - pulling funding from Planned Parenthood. Women's Health. The hidden word is "abortion", even though there are no federal dollars to Planned Parenthood or other organizations for abortions.

Planned Parenthood does provide family planning (including birth control) as well as pap smears, breast exams, etc. But I guess significant increases in Medicaid will cover those services. Oooops! The Republicans want to cut that also.


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Not really Affected

We have pretty much all privatized utilities and services here where I live . Non union... non government and competitive. However our office complex is upgrading our inbound trunk lines and are waiting some bureaucrat to give them the permit to add a box at the intersection. Qwest does all the hard work and investment ...just waiting for the gubberment to figure it out.... typical.

The biggest worry the bureaucrats have is that know one will notice they are not working ....



You dig the hole .. I fill the hole . 100% employment !
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
Qwest does all the hard work and investment ...just waiting for the gubberment to figure it out.... typical.

Amazing how this kind of BS literally affects every kind of business. We have a client who is aggressively pursuing a fraud claim against a certain individual who has been on disability for seven months, who only recently officially filed workers' comp. Naturally, when we asked them to agree to an independent medical exam, they said no. We prepared everything to get a court order to force them to go. What happens? Denial of the request for court order because the case number has not been issued yet. Three months since the guy filed and nobody has taken the 90 seconds to process the form and generate a new case number. So despite moving expeditiously, everything is already off to a bad start, which of course increases costs for everyone involved. The explanation from the state office involved? "We're understaffed and really backed up here."  



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
25 lowrider : Could be a Boeing conspiracy to kill the A380. All kidding aside, I agree that there are now winners in this. While spending and deficit levels are i
26 rfields5421 : Yes, it has nothing to do with deficit reduction, controlling government spending or fiscal responsibility. It is strictly a PR move to be able to go
27 garpd : Um, would someone care to enlighten this Brit as to what exactly is being discussed here? I've been travelling a bit and seem to have missed something
28 rfields5421 : The US government operates based upon a series of laws passed each year giving various departments a budget of X dollars for Y times. These can only
29 Dreadnought : Last I checked, Obama is a Democrat. It's his decision. The alternative bill that the House passed, that the Senate is sitting on, and that Obama has
30 tugger : Look guys, I was hoping this would not turn into a: "It's their fault... NO, it's THEIR fault.... No way, it's not my guys fault, it's your guys fault
31 PPVRA : Since only "non-essential" parts will shut down and the government most certainly thinks just about everything they do is in one way or another essen
32 Mir : The Senate did pass a bill that would stop Congress and the President from getting paid in the event of a shutdown. The House has yet to agree. It is
33 Mir : And yes, I'm affected - I'm supposed to go in for sim training this week, but the one examiner my company is authorized to use is on vacation, and wit
34 Baroque : Defintely not kidding but not so much a conspiracy rather stated government policy. The trouble is that its main competitor - the EU - has been indul
35 garpd : Ah, many thanks, crystal clear to me now.
36 dragon6172 : I thought I had read that the tax deadline was extended to Monday the 18th this year already? Apparently Friday the 15th is some DC holiday...?
37 dfwrevolution : So it's my responsibility to pay for other people's condoms and health checks? This is a less convincing argument than you think.
38 Post contains links Mike89406 : If it's any consolation...Navy Federal Credit Union will advance pay service members if there is a shutdown. http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...co
39 Mir : Regardless of where you might stand on the issue, the fact that we might see a government shutdown over it is ridiculous. The GOP needs to realize th
40 dfwrevolution : That street runs both ways. We might see a government shut down because Democrats won't let go of $330 million in non-essential spending in a year we
41 Maverick623 : I thought the GOP controlled the House? In that case, neither party has the upper hand in this one. Obama will sign whatever comes his way. It would
42 Mir : And the Democrats control the Senate and the White House, which makes 2 of 3. The Democrats have pretty much met the numbers that the Republicans hav
43 Maverick623 : And like I said: He literally has no choice now that he's running for reelection. It doesn't really matter what's in it that would cause him to refus
44 dfwrevolution : If we can't tackle the small, obvious spending items where the government has no business, how are we going to confront the big stuff? I'm absolutely
45 DeltaMD90 : This is horrible. The only side that is "right" is the side that can convince Americans that the other side is causing this mess. I really hope both s
46 sna752 : The budget was due in October. Who was in control at that time? Depends on inflation. Japan will experience supply shock inflation, as the tsunamis/e
47 Mir : It's easier to trim away at the big stuff than it is to cut little pet projects entirely. On policy issues, yeah it does. Or at least it does if they
48 sna752 : I think there have to be concessions, and both sides need to give. Both sides didn't want to give and we have a perfect example of Game Theory &
49 Mir : The Democrats have given $38 billion in cuts, which, if I'm not mistaken, is more than the Republicans initially wanted - it's certainly more than th
50 DeltaMD90 : To be fair, $38 billion is nothing. I wish they wouldn't stop until $380 billion was cut. Ridiculous.
51 rfields5421 : Oops - never mind. Both sides blinked and the shutdown is off.
52 ltbewr : It appears that a deal has been done by about 10 PM tonight, so no Shutdown will occur and perhaps none until the next fiscal year's budgeting. Appare
53 Post contains links and images Dreadnought : Say what??? If people go apoplectic about cutting crumbs out of Washington’s fiscal diet, what happens when real cuts are needed?
54 Ken777 : ] First, the Constitution requires budget processes start in the House. That means the Republican Controlled House these days. The Republicans create
55 sna752 : Oh spare us! Who controlled the House in September & October when this thing was supposed to be done? Democrats, that's right. Stop complaining,
56 Post contains images Aaron747 : Because it was the right thing to do, and he knew it. I don't think Boehner is particularly interested in being the errand boy of the fundie right. F
57 AGM100 : 850 thousand government employees spared a fur low ..... probably cheaper to just pay them since they would have been lining up for unemployment wages
58 Ken777 : Stop hiding the threat of a filibuster for the budget before the election. Republicans would not let any budget through as they wanted to win the ele
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