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Will Obama Get A Second Term?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Will Obama get a second term? Doesn't seem that his rating is very high.

If not, who will get it? Sarah Palin? Jeb Bush? Joe the plumber? Who else?

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User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will Obama get a second term?

We do not know at this time. Check back in November 2012. You ask as though it were even remotely possible to answer with any certainty at this point. Obviously, it is not.

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
If not, who will get it? Sarah Palin? Jeb Bush? Joe the plumber? Who else?

We do not know at this time. Check back in November 2012. You ask as though it were even remotely possible to answer with any certainty at this point. Obviously, it is not.



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User currently offlineAI121 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
If not, who will get it? Sarah Palin?

Let's hope that won't happen.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5240 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Quoting cws818 (Reply 1):
We do not know at this time. Check back in November 2012. You ask as though it were even remotely possible to answer with any certainty at this point. Obviously, it is not.

  

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
If not, who will get it? Sarah Palin? Jeb Bush? Joe the plumber? Who else?

Joe the plumber? Are you being serious or just sarcastic? If serious, what in the world would make you think he would make a run for the presidency?



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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2654 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

I can't believe the responses UnitedAirline has gotten here; it's a perfectly harmless conversation topic.

In any case, it will not go to Sarah Palin; and I don't understand the weight that otherwise intelligent people keep giving to this prospect. Sarah Palin is Dan Quayle redux.

You know who I would really like to see throw her hat in the ring is Christine Todd Whitman.



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

From what I understand Hillary Clinton has said NO to go for the presidency ...

User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 4):
I can't believe the responses UnitedAirline has gotten here; it's a perfectly harmless conversation topic.

It is also a perfectly, profoundly, and obviously premature conversation.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39852 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 4):
I can't believe the responses UnitedAirline has gotten here; it's a perfectly harmless conversation topic.

True but some people think that questioning anything about Obama or criticism of Obama is off limits.
I DO think so much can happen between now and November 2012. Although his numbers are low, he can still win a 2nd. term as Dubya did who also had low numbers.
If the Republicans nominate Mitt Romney, President Obama would win a 2nd. term.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
From what I understand Hillary Clinton has said NO to go for the presidency ...

Obama said that also a number of years ago.

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Sarah Palin? Jeb Bush? Joe the plumber?

I hope not!



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User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Sarah Palin? Jeb Bush? Joe the plumber?

I hope not!

Indeed!

Now Obama vs. someone like Rep. David Dreier (R-CA) would be interesting.



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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2610 times:
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The real question is will the tea party and their deep pocketed backers slit his throat politically by giving him a second term with a GOP controlled house and senate, allowing him to accomplish absolutely nothing for at least half of his second term?


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

I hope he does. I shudder to think what Tea Partiers with their "amputate an arm to cure a sore thumb" approach would do to the biggest national economy in the world.


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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

At this point, I do not think Pres. Obama is a big enough failure, to be beaten by any of the front-runners of the GOP.
If Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney get the GOP nomination, Pres. Obama will get 4 more years.
The GOP is foaming at the mouth to get Gov. Christy to run, but if he quits his term half way through, he falls in the same boat with Palin, for not having experience and quitting on his state before his term was completed. I do however think, that if he serves his term and gets re-elected, that he will be the GOP front-runner in 2016.

At this point, I think the only potential GOP that could challemge Pres, Obama is Donald Trump, and anyone that says he does not have a chance, is fooling themselves. The majority of voters, know nothing about politics, but they know who Donald Trump is, and many only vote on name recognition. How many uneducated voters do you think voted for GW Bush, just because his Dad was Pres. and he seemed like a nice guy? How many do you think would not vote for Jeb Bush, just because he is the brother of GW Bush, even though he may have made a good Pres? Then there are moderates like me, that are sick of all the cookie-cutter politicians, and all their BS promises, and are ready for a real change! Trump may not win, but at this point, I think he is the ONLY chance the GOP has at winning in 2012.

The real question is will the GOP tear itself apart, because of the Tea party, and let the Dems slip right past them, while they are bickering?


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

If the voters could re-elect GWB and Clinton, despite all their terrible flaws and scandals, then the odds fo Obama winning a 2nd term are historically favorable. As in those elections, the other party had weak and seriously flawed candidates and I suspect that in 2012 the Republicans will put up a similarly weak canidate.

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8836 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 10):
I hope he does. I shudder to think what Tea Partiers with their "amputate an arm to cure a sore thumb" approach would do to the biggest national economy in the world.

Believe me, our problems are more than a sore thumb.

You can't really predict until the primary really gets underway. Trump is an interesting choice - a proven executive with charisma and knows how the economy works. But he's said some pretty nutty things lately. Newt Gingrich is unquestionably the most knowledgeable candidate on either side - in a debate Gingrich would wipe the floor with Obama, but Gingrich has some baggage that might be tough to overcome. He would be an excellent president, I think, but he needs to let go of some of his past associations (agribusiness, for instance). Christie would be a fine choice, but I agree that he needs a little more seasoning for a 2016-20 run (and a diet - the fat jokes from the left will be merciless).

There are some lesser known names that might be pretty good but I don't know if they will get the name recognition they need. I'm not too impressed with the rest of the front-runners. Palin's heart and philosophy is in the right place but I think it's more absorbed than deeply understood (not necessarily a bad thing - a president is supposed to lead and point the way), and her voice and speaking style grates on me like nails on a chalkboard.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 4):
I can't believe the responses UnitedAirline has gotten here; it's a perfectly harmless conversation topic.

I agree. Political speculation is meat and potatoes for anyone, anytime. Or should be. Of course, the further out into the future you look, the less likely the predictions are.

Quoting Airstud (Reply 4):
You know who I would really like to see throw her hat in the ring is Christine Todd Whitman.

That's a very interesting idea, she is what I would consider to be a thoughtful conservative. Her opposition to wedge issues as espoused by Bush-ites and TP'ers is a welcome relief, frankly.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 9):
The real question is will the tea party and their deep pocketed backers slit his throat politically by giving him a second term with a GOP controlled house and senate, allowing him to accomplish absolutely nothing for at least half of his second term?

For sure that's a problem for BHO. He's already starting to see it in his feud with the current Congress. Although there is the possibility of the GOP really being at war with itself, it might self-destruct in internal cleansing, default 2012, and look to 2016 to reclaim the WH.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 12):
If the voters could re-elect GWB and Clinton, despite all their terrible flaws and scandals, then the odds fo Obama winning a 2nd term are historically favorable. As in those elections, the other party had weak and seriously flawed candidates and I suspect that in 2012 the Republicans will put up a similarly weak canidate.

I think if Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney or Michelle Bachman (be very afraid...) are nominated,it's a slam dunk for BHO. I recall the Florida town hall meeting where a voter got up and shouted at Romney that "you will never be President because you are not a Christian!". Appearance becomes reality, I don't think anyone viewed as non-Christian could be elected president in the USA these days (apologies to any offended). Huckabee is somewhat interesting, but he does say stupid things from time to time. I think Tim Pawlenty is a good dark horse candidate. Trump ? So much baggage with him. Same for Newt.

One thing I think that could be currently overlooked, but might be a real asset for BHO is the current economic situation. I cannot recall a president who inherited so many diverse problems upon taking office, then had to deal with new issues such as Deepwater Horizon. With so much on his plate, it was inevitable that some initiatives are bound to fail or at least stumble. However, slowly but surely things do seem to be turning around in the USA. For sure still lots of major structural problems, particularly the deficit and the home mortgage issue, but give it another year and the economy may well be firing on more cylinders. That is a huge asset for any incumbent president, to be quoting lower unemployment figures, house sales, other economic indicators. And good or at least better times frequently translate into re-election.

All of this matters to me as a Canadian. What happens in American politics usually has a strong effect on what happens in my country, due to the relative sizes of our economies. The reverse, not so much. So we tend to take a good interest in what happens in your nation, politically, economically, and socially.

It will be interesting, no doubt.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Believe me, our problems are more than a sore thumb.

It was a figure of speech, not a political analysis.  



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Quoting cws818 (Reply 6):
It is also a perfectly, profoundly, and obviously premature conversation.

It's actually pretty timely. Obama has already started down the formal path. A lot of politicians have played the game for 2 years and the real issues in the next election will come to the front when work starts on the 2012 budget. The killing off of Medicare and Medicaid will be at the top of the list and I can see killing off Social Security coming in second, even though SS has been held back - for now.

The Tea Party will still be around simply because of their funding, but the Tea Party won't have delivered any improvements to the nation so they will remain a loud force with no real performance.

Christi appears to be a popular choice, but I don't believe that he would be able to handle the US Congress the way he handled the state legislature. We'll see if he drops in weight - a real problem for him on the national stage.

Gingrich has too sordid a past to get by the Christian Right during the nominating process. The Republicans tried to get rid of Clinton with their panty sniffing antics and Gingrich provides the Democrats with the target to repay the Republicans.

Trump is making a lot of noise, but I have zero confidence in his willingness to accept the limitations of the office. Amazing, but I believe his ego is too big for the office.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11578 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 4):
Sarah Palin is Dan Quayle redux.

HARDLY! Dan Quayle at least showed some signs of education at some points in his political career.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
True but some people think that questioning anything about Obama or criticism of Obama is off limits.

Quite the opposite. This country has been become so partisan that it is the belief system that attacks on POTUS can occur simply by what letter is behind his name.

Remember all the rehtoric whenever anyone would quesiton Bush? How, if anyone questioned him, they were terrorists, un-American and hated America? I remember a time in these United States when we could openly criticize the president no matter what party we were from and no matter what party he was from.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Trump is an interesting choice - a proven executive with charisma and knows how the economy works.

Except this is not the corporations of America and we can not declare bankrupcy multiple times. If it came down to him or Palin, I would vote for him, but since there are others throughout the right-wing that do appeal to Democrats, he does not stand a chance.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 14):
a voter got up and shouted at Romney that "you will never be President because you are not a Christian!".

Replace "Romney" with "Obama" and it does sound like the right-wing....

Will Obama get a second term? With all the in-fighting within the right-wing, yes. Yes he will. And the Dems will re-gain control of Congress and things will get done this time.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 4):
You know who I would really like to see throw her hat in the ring is Christine Todd Whitman.


No way, the lady is a perfect example of a RINO.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
From what I understand Hillary Clinton has said NO to go for the presidency ...


I thought it was the American people (at least American Democrats) that said NO to a Hillary Clinton presidency.


User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
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As a Tea Party member I am going to do everything in my power to ensure that Obama is out on his ass after one term. I fear that he may get re-elected because we have not come up with a strong candidate who could go up against him. People will vote for Obama just for the fact that he is black, and we need to find someone who can change their minds. Living in Atlanta I can fully back this statement up from hearing various radio and television interviews during the 2008 election. 2012 is going to be a nasty race.


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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5084 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

I sure hope that he get's re-elected!


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12443 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 9):
The real question is will the tea party and their deep pocketed backers slit his throat politically by giving him a second term with a GOP controlled house and senate, allowing him to accomplish absolutely nothing for at least half of his second term?

I think the deep pocketed ones would truly rather have their man/woman in the White House instead of keeping Obama around as a punching bag.

And if he is still in the White House, he can veto any attempt to repeal the health care act, which of course is a key goal of the TP'ers. And if the provisions that start kicking in around 2014 prove to be popular, health care will be impossible to repeal.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 12):
If the voters could re-elect GWB and Clinton, despite all their terrible flaws and scandals, then the odds fo Obama winning a 2nd term are historically favorable. As in those elections, the other party had weak and seriously flawed candidates and I suspect that in 2012 the Republicans will put up a similarly weak canidate.

Yes, it's easy to see BHO's ratings are weak, but things can quickly change depending on who ends up winning the GOP nomination.

The Tea Party "less government" mantra had a lot of appeal till people started to see exactly which parts of government the TP'ers were going to get rid of.

I consider myself to be an Obama supporter, but with time my support is waning.

The big issue to me is that we need leadership from a President, but Obama isn't a leader, he's a Chicago-style behind-the-scenes deal maker. That's what his chief of staff should be doing, not him.

Contrast with Reagan, for instance, who said "Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" instead of saying "Hey Gorbachev, let's have a summit to discuss tearing down this wall".

It might be rational to say his deal making is pretty effective, but I think our desire for leadership is basically irrational.

In any case, my mind is still open on the issue. It all depends on who the GOP nominates.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 4):
In any case, it will not go to Sarah Palin; and I don't understand the weight that otherwise intelligent people keep giving to this prospect. Sarah Palin is Dan Quayle redux.

Sarah Palin makes Dan Quayle and even GWB look like geniuses.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
From what I understand Hillary Clinton has said NO to go for the presidency ...

Obama said that also a number of years ago.

No democrat is going to challenge Obama in 2012 and I don't think Hillary would have a chance as an independent.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
But he's said some pretty nutty things lately.

You have to appeal to the nuts on the right (birther movement) to get the nomination. Same with the democrats they have to appeal to the nuts on the left. If Trump gets the nomination he will move to the centre especially on social issues if he wants to win the middle. Whoever wins the middle wins the election.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 14):
One thing I think that could be currently overlooked, but might be a real asset for BHO is the current economic situation. I cannot recall a president who inherited so many diverse problems upon taking office, then had to deal with new issues such as Deepwater Horizon. With so much on his plate, it was inevitable that some initiatives are bound to fail or at least stumble. However, slowly but surely things do seem to be turning around in the USA. For sure still lots of major structural problems, particularly the deficit and the home mortgage issue, but give it another year and the economy may well be firing on more cylinders. That is a huge asset for any incumbent president, to be quoting lower unemployment figures, house sales, other economic indicators. And good or at least better times frequently translate into re-election.

While all true, I think many really thought that this man would be a super president and be able to fix everything quickly, when in reality a lot of these problems are the result of 30+ years of poor economic policy on both sides of the aisle. Because of that its not going to be fixed in 4. If the economy turns around significantly in the next year then Obama is a shoe in for re-election and might even get congress back (their approval rating is far below his). If it doesn't he will have a tough time being re-elected and might even lose the senate.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 11):
At this point, I think the only potential GOP that could challemge Pres, Obama is Donald Trump, and anyone that says he does not have a chance, is fooling themselves. The majority of voters, know nothing about politics, but they know who Donald Trump is, and many only vote on name recognition. How many uneducated voters do you think voted for GW Bush, just because his Dad was Pres. and he seemed like a nice guy?

As a moderate this should infuriate you that someone can be elected to the most powerful office in the world because he is a successful businessman and is on TV (mainly the latter). Not to say that Trump wouldn't be a good president, but a lot of the issues with the US government right now is that the people vote for their officials on weather or not they seem like an average Joe, and not how they would actually govern. This is why politicians follow the people, where people should follow but question their elected officials.



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4479 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

I personally do not believe that Obama is going to win a second term. I believe the Republicans will win around 292 electoral votes, and possibly as many as 316 if New Hampshire and Pennsylvania go red. I do not believe that Wisconsin will be captured, as I believe the union protests in that state have soured the appeal of the Republican Party there.

And I believe the next president of the United States is going to be either Mitt Romney or Donald Trump.

In spite of this, I am supporting and voting for Obama and hope he wins, but if he DOES win, it will be by a hair's breadth, and at this time I don't see a way for him to do it. I can't possibly imagine him capturing Ohio or Florida, and I can't see him capturing any of the western or southern, "traditionally red" states he won last time. Indiana is out of the question, and it's laughable that the Democrats think that holding their convention in North Carolina will keep that state in play. It's gone baby, gone.

[Edited 2011-04-09 10:37:41]

User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3289 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 23):

Did I miss something? Is it November 2012 yet? You make a lot of outrageously bold statements as if nothing can change between now and 2012. Even with that said, I'm not sure I agree with your assessment, either.

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25 Mir : About as many as will vote against him just for the fact that he is black, so it cancels out. -Mir
26 Aloha717200 : I stated what I believe and what I see at this point in time. However, I think my assessment that North Carolina and Indiana are next to impossible s
27 Zentraedi : Yikes, he's one of those nuts that expects NYC to become a Christian version of Saudi Arabia. Man, imagine how much damage that could do to the econo
28 connies4ever : He's also a much better golfer than Sarah Palin...
29 einsteinboricua : Doesn't stop her from going to primaries once again (to which she has already said no). We still have more than a year to see what's gonna happen. Wi
30 okie : Maybe we should ask Mo Mo, Obama does not want him back in office, thrown cruise missiles, bombs, and attack aircraft at him. Mo Mo may have a take o
31 474218 : Yes, you did miss something! What has to change is Obama's philosophy. The county is not ready (nor will it ever be) for socialism. Last Novembers el
32 fr8mech : Because this is who the media wants to run against Obama. Therefore, they continually put her name out there and give much more credit (or noteriety)
33 Post contains links and images Superfly : He's the neighboring district to where I lived when I lived in SoCal. David Dreier is a nice guy and all but he would immediately be exposed as a clo
34 STT757 : You have never lived in New Jersey have you? Also after her false reassurances to emergency responders working in Lower Manhattan as EPA director the
35 Mortyman : What I ment was that she has apparently said that she is not interested
36 fr8mech : History will show that he was the right person at the right time. I really don't see his allure. He's pompous and bombastic. He speaks to hear himsel
37 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : You have no idea what socialism is if you think that's what he's promoting. Typical conservative talking point. LOL wut? What on earth are you smokin
38 einsteinboricua : Here we go with the S-word again. Anything left of people is socialist. Well, in the modern era. Historians agree that the title belongs to Warren G.
39 rfields5421 : Nothing but this matters If people have jobs and feel they have a future - he gets reelected. If people don't have jobs and feel they have no hope - h
40 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : I'll add this: If things remain where they are--with lots of uncertainty and mixed confidence--he'll scrape by and get re-elected.
41 Aloha717200 : No, he won't. When people are uncertain of a Democrat, they vote for the challenger.
42 Post contains images Ken777 : Not all, by any measure. The Government keeps GM from being totally closed and the execs immediately turned around and made their contributions to th
43 StarAC17 : The US is far more socialist that you perceive it is and when tough decision have to be made on what actually has to be cut, because things like fore
44 cws818 : His friendship with Maxine Waters probably wouldn't help in a Republican primary.
45 UAL747DEN : Of course he will, I know this because I will be working hard to make sure he again takes Colorado!!! I worked hard on his last campaign and am commit
46 Post contains images Superfly : Hardly. I still maintain that Al Gore would have been a better President than Dubya, despite his global warming scam. The Republican controlled Congr
47 Post contains links Baroque : A summary of why he was elected and why the T party later had success together with much more in Tariq Ali at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/storie
48 connies4ever : Generally agree with the above, Ken777. As a support for 1st idea, note that China does want to dump American debt (at least massively) due to its' n
49 Post contains images einsteinboricua : A little off topic, but adds to the discussion nonetheless. Notice the bold marks. I love how people don't want to invest in renewable sources becaus
50 Post contains links Revelation : And how much did you pay for health insurance? Point being, you just can't compare things in isolation. And the fact that the current spike is happen
51 474218 : The difference between 2008 and 2011 gas price increase is: In 2008 every newspaper in the country, every TV news program and very blog on the inter-
52 Baroque : Perhaps one little difference could be that the last time there were actions of the POTUS that could be thought to have contributed to the price rise
53 474218 : What are you talking about? What POTUS has stopped deep water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico (that portion controlled by the US, but says nothing of
54 Post contains images soon7x7 : Why would you desire to spend 1 billion on a campaign for a position that only pays 400,000/yr. Of course for the obvious reasons Obama would do such
55 Baroque : You have an interesting view of how quickly exploration wells can become producing fields. Care to explain that? International water. Do you mean the
56 Post contains images connies4ever : And how much did you pay for health insurance? Much, much less than you, most likely. It comes out of my income taxes, as opposed to directly from my
57 Post contains images ER757 : The current crop of electric cars have a range of around 100 miles per charge. Most people are not commuting more than 50 miles each way to work. You
58 AGM100 : If he does not , it will be a epic upset ... he has 100% better machine behind him. Corporation , leftist unions , public unions , all government emp
59 Post contains images DocLightning : Wait. In order to lose, someone else has to win. At present, nobody in the GOP seems to be remotely electable. Romney is out. Most people on the left
60 PPVRA : Okie was talking inflation which has nothing to do with your three points. ps: I do think Obama will get re-elected because the main choices the GOP
61 AGM100 : Not true ... but hey that's what the DNC say's so . Large multi nationals love central planning and that's what the democrats and RINOS have always c
62 DocLightning : That's simply not true. A large portion of Tea Partiers depended on the Fed for their livelihoods. Pew poll after Pew poll showed that people attendi
63 AGM100 : Our group being the one I belong to here locally ... is what I meant. So we have a all white racists TEA party against leftist African American / His
64 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I'm sorry, I think you've got the two parties backwards. Flip it and you should be good.
65 DocLightning : There ya go. "Not my Tea Party." The problem with having a loose collection is that, much like other such movements, there is no accountability, so r
66 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I'm not so sure it's dead, Doc. It's very much an influence still today, especially with our esteemed freshmen congressmen.
67 DocLightning : Really? The ones who Obama seems to have batted down with one hand? With the recent budget deal, abortions in DC can't be done with tax dollars. But
68 bjorn14 : Yeah right people in Wisconsin hate the Governor so much that they re-elected his guy David Proesser to the Wisc. Supreme Court after the Dems spent
69 rfields5421 : No, he can lose the election easily. It does not matter who the Republicans run - if the President does not 'fix' certain economic issues - his suppo
70 goblin211 : I don't see what's bad about Mitt Romney? Not that I favor him since I'm not a republican. I'm just curious. As for the topic, Sarah Palin--HELL NO!
71 474218 : Since you admit to not being a Republican, its understandable you would like a North Eastern liberal like Romney! He passed Romney Care in Massachuse
72 Ken777 : And this is going to be a huge factor in the 2012 Election. The Republicans have now put the deterioration of America on the table in the area of hea
73 rfields5421 : Perry and the Texas Legislature are trying to sell the story line that the problems in the 2011-2012 are caused by the Democratic administration in D
74 United Airline : He was seeking for attention. That's it. Haha
75 Superfly : Lyndon Johnson at least passed ground-breaking Civil Rights legislation and supported the Space Program which was successful. It was the war in Vietn
76 DocLightning : Rick Perry is going to tick off the fiscal conservatives with his beliefs in infrastructure building. He also is a believer in the federal government
77 DocLightning : I was talking about Andrew. The bit that scares me is that the GOP seems to know this and is doing everything they can do to tank the economy in orde
78 Aaron747 : Has nothing to do with gas prices - it would be minimum five years before any of the output from that drilling hit the market. Clearly the gas price
79 cws818 : Therefore, he had/has no real chance. Therefore, there is no point in bringing him up or wasting anyone's time by doing so.
80 Post contains images Superfly : Not even sure why the character that goes by the name 'Joe The Plumber' was even brought up. For starters, he's not a plumber and his name isn't Joe.
81 Post contains images rfields5421 : Neither Perry nor any other Republican contenders are running against Obama. They are running against each other. The issue is never which candidate
82 windy95 : Best post in this other wise useless thread. They just blew it and tell us to wait for the debt ceiling fight or the next budget battle. What a joke.
83 AGM100 : No they don't ... the Dem's want the private sector gone. Their entire agenda is centered around dependents on government ...promoting that simply do
84 DocLightning : See, this kind of utter horse shit is why the GOP has no chance. Centrists know that's a lie, so if you keep parroting it, it turns centrists off. No
85 AGM100 : OK ..they want a private sector .... one that is paying 60-70% income taxes and voting democrat. You win ... centrists? What exactly would that be ..
86 PSA53 : Nope.And IMHO, the Dems will get smacked again in '12. unless some dramatic event changes they're fortunes around. Never saw such a weak POTUS since
87 Aaron747 : I know. Frankly, it's unbelievably sad. And the GOP has just shown us their agenda is still centered around placating a Christian fundie voting bloc
88 windy95 : I understand de-funding the EPA on the CO2 to prevent a carbon trading scam but the NPR fight and Planned parenthood where both a fight best left alo
89 Post contains links windy95 : The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 19% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama
90 Aaron747 : Whoa. Now you're just making too much sense. On top of that, eliminate the Border Patrol, ATF, DEA, and DHS and roll their essential functions into t
91 AGM100 : I agree with you ... adding PP defending as a rider was a stupid idea and I believe unnecessary. Just cut the budget ... and do it across the board .
92 Post contains links windy95 : And sell of a large chunk of the unused buildings and properties. They say 44,00 unused or underused properties. Which in turn would generate more pr
93 rfields5421 : Have you taken a drive across a moderate to large urban area recently?. There are way to many empty commercial buildings. City and state property tax
94 Aaron747 : Have to agree - selling federal properties is not a solution. But reducing the administrative overhead of ineffectual agencies is a legitimate step.
95 United Airline : Who is going to run for the republicans? Mccain? Jeb Bush? Sarah Palin?
96 Superfly : Huh? McCain isn't running again. Jeb Bush isn't running at all. Sarah Palin might run but will not win the nomination.
97 United Airline : Will Jeb Bush ever run? Will he ever get it? Who will be running then?
98 Superfly : I hope not. No more Bush! (Bush family that is) George W. Bush really ruined the Bush brand name.
99 United Airline : I think George W Bush did a good job overall. Don't blame him for everything. My 2 cents Rice? Powell? Rumsfield?
100 cws818 : You can't be serious.
101 Baroque : I am divining that he put the blame for disasters under the Bush regime down to those doughty warriors. My assessment: Rice - errors of commission, t
102 Superfly : My guess is that our friend in Hong Kong isn't that familiar with US politics and is randomly throwing out names from the past. All of them are finis
103 Mir : Which means you can forget about getting a good price for them. Now is not the time for people to be selling houses, why would it be a good time for
104 United Airline : I know US politics. I know he is pretty much over but never say never. So who is likely to be nominated?
105 United Airline : Donald Trump should run. Giuliani is over right?[Edited 2011-04-12 01:05:39]
106 Post contains images StarAC17 : What about on the right, They came into full power with a surplus in 2001 and had full power for 6 years and never ran a single surplus and cut taxes
107 Superfly : Completely over an done. He has my support if he decides to run. Due to campaign laws, he can't officially declare while he has a TV show running. Hi
108 windy95 : I am not saying that they need to be dumped overnight. And I am sure from among the collection there are prime properties that will sell for a pretty
109 Baroque : Amazing is it not. But see, they are socialist and not free. Why they are probably not free to burn the Q'uran. I think you might have been listening
110 Mir : Your second sentence is a good reason why the first sentence either won't happen or won't work - they're very much the same sort of person. -Mir
111 StarAC17 : Not entirely while they are both social liberals Trump actually has business sense which some think would be good for a government. However there are
112 Superfly : Giuliani is a one trick pony. Trump has been discussing every issue and has criticized the President and the Republicans one key issues - Libya, Iraq
113 rfields5421 : While there is some benefit in such a tax - and I'm not concerned about the hundreds of thousands of lawyers, accountants and tax preparers who would
114 474218 : All you say is true, but as opposed to the current system where if you make $20 an hour, you take home about $12 for each hour you work. With the con
115 rfields5421 : Most of the rich would pay less than they do now, because even though they consume more - they would no longer pay any taxes on money they save or in
116 Post contains images Mir : He's got more business sense than Trump does, but he'd never go anywhere in a national election due to his image. A VAT-only scheme is not the answer
117 474218 : Why should they?
118 PPVRA : Figuring out the overall level to maintain revenues equal to what they are now should not be the most difficult thing ever. States and cities do this
119 United Airline : Giuliani is such a hypocrite! Will Hillary Clinton run again? She said she would not but she did.
120 cws818 : Since Secretary Clinton is the only person who could possibly answer the question, perhaps you should ask her, assuming you have her contact informat
121 Ken777 : Trump has had some success in business, but he is used to giving orders and having them followed. Can you see him butting heads with 535 members of C
122 DeltaMD90 : Why do people say this? Everyone assumes that he'll get fed up and quit, you don't think he'd be able to pull through? I mean I can see it aggravatin
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