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Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote  
User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2748 posts, RR: 8
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1693 times:

And now another whopper to add to the long list of lies and hypocrisy from Obama and his staff.

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-regret...vote-against-raising-debt-ceiling/

Obama now regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt ceiling when Bush was President. Imagine that.

Quote:
Obama in 2006

The fact that we're here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means 'The buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...nce-opposed-lifting-debt-ceiling/1

Looks like we have a continuing failure in leadership.

So Obama has changed his mind on GITMO, Military tribunals, The President can act to go to war without congress, The Patriot act and do not forget he is for deficit reduction while asking for a 1.6 trillion debt budget. Do not forget his transparency pledge along with his attacks on special interest while protecting his own special interests the unions. There was also the meeting with rogue leaders instead of bombing them but as we see with Libya that was also a little mistake on his part. The regrets and lies just keep piling up with this administration. At the verry least he could do is admit that maybe Bush was right on some of these subjects.

We need a balanced budget next year as the price to pay for the limit going up. But I realise tha the tanned crying man Boehner does not have a set and will bucklee and cave on this issue to. Maybe he can go down the hall to Representaive Bachman's office and borrow hers.


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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1686 times:
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You are right.. he shouldn't be regretting as the circumstances in 2006 were very different as they are now.

Wait.. in 2006 (under Bush) we had a debt problem? Really? No!! I though it was all rainbows and roses back then.



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2748 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
You are right.. he shouldn't be regretting as the circumstances in 2006 were very different as they are now.

Wait.. in 2006 (under Bush) we had a debt problem? Really? No!! I though it was all rainbows and roses back then.




So you are going to protect him and his much larger debt with the old Bush did it also line? You are right though in the circumstances being different in that Bush was president then and he is not now. Otherwise everthing is the same. And that Obama/Reid/Pelosi debt will make the Bush debt look laughable by the time they are done.



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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1671 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):

Since you appear to think this is a game of partisan politics, let me state this:

Bush and the republicans majorly screwed things up in several ways, one of which was national debt. Full stop. Period.

Is that clear?

Good.

Now, just because they screwed things up does not give Obama license to make things worse. Same will go with whoever is in office next.

There. Now don't go telling everybody that "the other side" only blames Obama. Windy even criticized Republicans as well. Can you stop playing the BS games now, and act like an adult?



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6365 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1671 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
long list of lies and hypocrisy from Obama and his staff.

Not familiar with American politics? There are 100 senators, 435 representatives, 50 governors, and countless other politicians who have a laundry list of lies longer than my...well, it's long.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1671 times:
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Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 4):
Bush and the republicans majorly screwed things up in several ways, one of which was national debt. Full stop. Period.

Great - and where you as vocal in 2006 as you are now?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7972 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 6):
Great - and where you as vocal in 2006 as you are now?

but...

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
circumstances in 2006 were very different as they are now.

Got ya  

I believe ALTF4 is in the same boat as a lot of us, I mean I was only 10 when Bush was elected, 13 when Iraq happened, etc, so I didn't really know any better, but I blindly supported all that. Looking back... yeah... my views have changed. But I agree, this thread is gonna get very ugly   



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):

Obama now regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt ceiling when Bush was President. Imagine that.

So he was man enough to admit a mistake.

When was the last time you did that?


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3312 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Obama now regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt ceiling when Bush was President. Imagine that.

I wasn't at a.net back then, but I have to wonder if you were as critical of Bush as you are with Obama.

By the looks of it, had he not voted to increase the debt ceiling, this thread would be: Obama lied because he wanted cuts and the argument would have been that since he did not want the debt ceiling to be raised, then it means he was in favor of cuts. Then you would have cried wolf and said that Obama is against everyone.

There's just no pleasing anyone.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

The best part is you could take his exact 2006 comments and use them word for word today.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem."



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6694 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
We need a balanced budget next year as the price to pay for the limit going up

Impossible to do without plunging the economy into a depression that's why even the Republican's won't try it. Keep in mind even Paul Ryan's budget plan NEVER balances the budget because the only way to do so is to make cuts so severe that the economy is PERMANENTLY crippled.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8709 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Obama should be regretting what he is doing now. He is endangering all liberal causes, and threatening the existence of the US government itself. The recent "recession" is a pale second to what might happen if Obama's policies continue. And I say this as a Democrat. Just because I am pro choice doesn't mean I want the US govt to collapse under debt, which was never necessary to accrue in the first place. We are the last people to need debt. This country is the world's richest. It is like Bill Gates running out of money. I would call that "an epic, epic spending problem." And so it is with Obama. He doesn't have a clue because he has focused on law for his career, which does not inform him on these issues.

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8709 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 11):
Impossible to do without plunging the economy into a depression that's why even the Republican's won't try it. Keep in mind even Paul Ryan's budget plan NEVER balances the budget because the only way to do so is to make cuts so severe that the economy is PERMANENTLY crippled.

The economy is permanently crippled now my interest payments and debt. Right now interest payments are almost $1000 per person each year. And it could go up sharply.

The notion that the government should pay people to dig holes and refill them (or better yet, to sit at home) has never been proved. Most economists consider that story to be very outdated.


User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 6):
Great - and where you as vocal in 2006 as you are now?

For a 16 year old back then, I was a lot more vocal and up-to-snuff on politics than the vast majority of my peers. I was still, however, a 16 year old.

And now I'm a 21 year old 'admitting' that the party I support messed up in some places. Its the right thing to do, the only thing to do, and the better thing to do than what a majority of the people on this forum do - blame the other side and ignore their side's issues.

That does not eradicate the problems that Obama has brought on us though. So, I'm still 'blaming the other side', but I'm not ignoring the faults on 'my' side of the fence.  
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7):
I believe ALTF4 is in the same boat as a lot of us, I mean I was only 10 when Bush was elected, 13 when Iraq happened, etc, so I didn't really know any better, but I blindly supported all that. Looking back... yeah... my views have changed. But I agree, this thread is gonna get very ugly

Bingo!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
So he was man enough to admit a mistake.

When was the last time you did that?

I wonder how many times people have to say critical things of their own party before some members of this forum see it? Selective reading is a blessing, isn't it, Doc?

[Edited 2011-04-12 10:28:57]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

So many regretable votes, so few politicians willing to admit they are ever wrong--I give credit to any politician with the chutzpah to admit a mistake.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4751 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
We need a balanced budget next year as the price to pay for the limit going up.

This is 100% laughable. The economy as we know it would completely collapse. Not to mention how many folks would wind up out of a job. It is a good goal going forward, but to cut 35-40% of the current spending or raise taxes collected by over 50% in one year, or any mix in between is not realistic for next year.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 13):
The economy is permanently crippled now my interest payments and debt. Right now interest payments are almost $1000 per person each year. And it could go up sharply.

It will go up sharply, but the nice thing about a long term plan, is that you make it a smoother hill to go over. You don't just wake up one day realizing you are 100 Lb's over weight and just get it all sawed off that afternoon. It takes time and a change in habits to accomplish it. The same with the national debt.

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like we have a continuing failure in leadership.

I don't see any of this a falure of leadership . I see it as a smart man that has learned the game of brinkmanship in the congress. This game has been going on for far too long. Congress continues to approve and overspend, and the President no matter what party, has to let them or encourage them to raise the debt ceiling so the economy stays on track.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6694 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):
The notion that the government should pay people to dig holes and refill them (or better yet, to sit at home) has never been proved.

You are correct, it hasn't been proven. However, given technological innovation and significant outsourcing pressures, the bottomline is that there just aren't going to be enough decent private sector jobs to go around.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
his country is the world's richest. It is like Bill Gates running out of money.

Except that most of that wealth is controlled by only a tiny part of the population. The nature of our wealth distribution is indeed a part of why we have these deficits. Most people make so little that there's almost nothing to tax, instead the government credits some of them to try and prevent their destitution from dragging everyone else down. The primary reason we have programs like SS and Medicare/Medicaid is simply because while we are a very wealthy nation, much of our population lives on the edge of poverty and needs these programs for long-term survival.


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5601 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like we have a continuing failure in leadership.

Though, I really don't think Obama is a leader, this isn't a failure of leadership. This, along with his other apparent back steps, is a realization, on his part, that the job of the Presidency is hard. And, that decisions have to be made outside the vacuum of politics and political opinion.

Maybe he's growing up. In a decade or so, Obama may be ready to be President...oh...wait....

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 3):
Bush and the republicans majorly screwed things up in several ways, one of which was national debt. Full stop. Period.

Pray tell, and cite, the deficits (in the annual budget and in the aggregate) during the Bush years and during the first 2 years of Obama. Oh, and please include the years that Congress was run by Democrats. I know what you will find...do you?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):

The notion that the government should pay people to dig holes and refill them (or better yet, to sit at home) has never been proved. Most economists consider that story to be very outdated.

How about paying people to build roads, rail, spaceships, nuclear reactors, runways, and other basic infrastructure that government is supposed to provide but isn't currently doing?


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
So he was man enough to admit a mistake.

Mistake? It is one of the very few things I could agree with him on. We need to cut spending, not raise the debt limit.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 10):
Impossible to do without plunging the economy into a depression that's why even the Republican's won't try it. Keep in mind even Paul Ryan's budget plan NEVER balances the budget because the only way to do so is to make cuts so severe that the economy is PERMANENTLY crippled.

That is incorrect. His plan does balance the budget but far more slowly than it should.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-trillion-of-cuts-over-decade.html

The Republicans’ first comprehensive budget plan since the November elections would cut the deficit next year to $995 billion from about $1.4 trillion now, though it wouldn’t balance the government’s books until 2040.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
The nature of our wealth distribution is indeed a part of why we have these deficits.

That is also a negative. We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
How about paying people to build roads, rail, spaceships, nuclear reactors, runways, and other basic infrastructure that government is supposed to provide but isn't currently doing?
Supposed to provide them with? Where in the Constitution does it say that? The Transcontinental railroad was not built with taxes, it was built with bond money. Same with a lot of major bridge and road projects. Airports are almost always built with bonds or specifically dedicated taxes, not income taxes. Space ships are built by the government, the last nuclear reactors built in this country were built by the power companies, not the government.


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5601 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
How about paying people to build roads, rail, spaceships, nuclear reactors, runways, and other basic infrastructure that government is supposed to provide but isn't currently doing?

The government is not supposed to build these things just to create jobs. The government is supposed to facilitate building these things when there is a need for them.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 19):

Mistake? It is one of the very few things I could agree with him on. We need to cut spending, not raise the debt limit.

You want the country to default on loans? Do you realize that could mean the end of the U.S.? That's what you want? See that flag next to your name? Might be obsolete, like the Hammer and Sickle of the USSR.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 20):

The government is not supposed to build these things just to create jobs. The government is supposed to facilitate building these things when there is a need for them.

Um... there's a need for them. And they happen to create jobs. Win-win.

Quoting dxing (Reply 19):
Supposed to provide them with? Where in the Constitution does it say that?

The Preamble. "Promote the General Welfare."


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8709 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
How about paying people to build roads, rail, spaceships, nuclear reactors, runways, and other basic infrastructure that government is supposed to provide but isn't currently doing?

Doesn't bother me... That's actually all cheap stuff. Recently we created a lot of unfunded transfers of wealth. I am not a neocon. Please bear with me. But a lot of govt programs right now are "vote getter" benefits without a defined source of funding. It's all "benefits for seniors" or "unemployed" or "wounded warriors." The government cannot afford even necessities in light of this. Many taxpayers expect to benefit far more than they ever paid in. (Including me possibly). Also, perniciously, many corporations have similar hopes. Deficit spending continues to be "popular," again based on the illusion, I believe, that it creates money. It does not create money. It just steals from our kids.

In the past, the US went into debt then had a glorious industrial revolution 1950-2000 that brought tremendous growth, and with it, our fiscal situation was ok. Now mature, we can't expect to get that magical dividend again. But Krugman et al still claim so.

About this thread issue, I am scared that Obama is issuing too much debt, just because debt is popular, kind of like crack.


User currently offlineipodguy7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

I'm sure many American voters have truly come to regret their 2008 votes, as well (If you catch my drift).


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 23):
I'm sure many American voters have truly come to regret their 2008 votes, as well (If you catch my drift).

Oh, because McCain would have handled this better? He'd have had a heart attack and then we'd have President Palin. Youbetcha.


25 GST : The thing I have never understood about politics is the U-turn phobia. In any other area it is considered the mark of a wise person to change their op
26 Post contains images einsteinboricua : There's always gonna be some discontent. Right now, the Iraq War will be drawn to a close. Had McCain won the presidency, would Iraq be closing? So i
27 FlyPNS1 : If it doesn't balance the budget in the next 10 years, then it doesn't balance the budget. Project out to 2040 is a total joke!! And keep in mind, Ry
28 Post contains links and images windy95 : Hoyer joins Obama in calling past vote on debt ceiling 'a mistake' http://thehill.com/homenews/house/15...ast-vote-on-debt-ceiling-a-mistake Seems tha
29 Dreadnought : Says who? Where do you have any data supporting this idea that the private sector is unable to provide enough jobs? Let's remember that even public s
30 FlyPNS1 : Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?? Have you see the wage data for the average worker over the past decade? If you strip out deficit spendin
31 windy95 : Mistakes..Plural. How many will you continue to give him? Last night to my son.. Yes. I disagreed with all of the deficit spending of Bush. I had alw
32 Dreadnought : Have you considered the possibility that the private sector has been stifled by the deficit spending and the credit bubbles WHICH WERE CAUSED BY THE
33 dxing : No, and it wouldn't if significant cuts were made to offset what we owe in interest and loans. A dedicated tax to pay off the debt might be in order,
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