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F1 2011:Chinese Grand Prix.  
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2240 times:
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Seems like just a few days since we were watching the goings on in Sepang... oh, it was just a few days!!

Vettel and Webber a long way in front in P1

Interesting times, reading between the lines, Lewis twice in a week hinting his long term future may not be at Woking.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Thank you for opening the thread.

From what I have seen in today's practice it seems that Seb will hold his superiority over all the other drivers. If they race in the dry we can expect a Vettel-Hamilton-Busson fight for the podium.

This is why I would lke to see a good amount of rain during race time. It would change things around no doubt. I much prefer seeing F1 in the wet than F1 in the dry.

Let's see what happens during qualifying tomorrow.

I want rain on Sunday.

                          



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User currently offlinezak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Vettel will dominate, Heidfeld will see his second spring, Schuhmacher will further demolish his reputation due to his failcar.


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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Yeah..gotta agree with Zak here..I don't see anyone challenging Vettel..Webber will somehow manage to screw up and lose a podium position, and can't see Ferrari or Mercedes GP improving. Going to be a terrible race..I think I will skip watching this one..   


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Button not Busson.

Silly me!

Sorry Jenson... I wasn't quite awake yet at the time I typed my post!

 



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Is this the beginning of a godawfully boring season?

User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting na (Reply 5):
Is this the beginning of a godawfully boring season?

Wasn't so long ago that everyone wanted someone else other than Schumacher to win. Now it's happening very well.  

I will probably watch the race, as I have that crazy F1 disease. Please Mercedes GP - I'm begging of you, put in a respectable performance! Malaysia was embarrassing.  


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 3):
Webber will somehow manage to screw up

Perhaps just a tad unfair, given some deficient technology put the first corner scramble beyond him... 9th or worse at lap one and facing a 4 stop strategy.. not sure how many in the field would have salvaged a 4th(damn near 3rd) out of that.

Why RBR are struggling so with KERS is an interesting question, likely only answered by Adrian Newey



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 5):

Season just started. I remember back then when Schumacher won the first 5 races of a season and then it got exciting as he started to lose and other got stronger. So we will wait and see. I am positive more is going to happen this season.
But I doubt Michael Schumacher will play a big role in this season...

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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

It certainly looks like a boring season, but in F1 you never know. I remmbember last season on several occasions being 100% sure that Alonso was out of the picture, and yet it wasn't until the final race (and the team strategy screw up) that the WDC was decided. I hope Vettel starts losing points somewhere, if not, it will be boring.


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
Season just started. I remember back then when Schumacher won the first 5 races of a season and then it got exciting as he started to lose and other got stronger. So we will wait and see. I am positive more is going to happen this season.

I remember that too, that was 2003, right?
Lets hope Red Bull will get a lot of pressure very soon. Until then I wont bother watching a GP, I hate sunday strolls like the last two races.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
But I doubt Michael Schumacher will play a big role in this season...

Mercedes screwed up again so far, again they havent a winner car, even if its just slightly better than 2010 isnt yet clear. I feel a bit sorry for Schuhmacher. But its not just his car, he simply isnt the racer anymore he was around 2000 when he turned an ailing Ferrari team into the most convincing winning team ever seen in F1.


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2113 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 10):
I remember that too, that was 2003, right?

No clue. My brain is not good regarding such things   

Quoting na (Reply 10):
Mercedes screwed up again so far, again they havent a winner car, even if its just slightly better than 2010 isnt yet clear

Not only Mercedes. The engine is not the only problem. The whole car and it's aerodynamics need a lot of improvement. The car isn't good enough - yet.

Quoting na (Reply 10):
I feel a bit sorry for Schuhmacher.


I don't to be honest. He left the F1 as a legend with so many championships and many other achievements. He should've left it like that. But no, he needs to come back - a lot older and not with his old team around him. So he basically starts from the beginning...

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 11):
e left the F1 as a legend with so many championships and many other achievements. He should've left it like that.

I fully agree with that. When I heard he would come back with Merc I thought it was a joke first. Its still a joke, just one that became reality. Mercedes and Schumacher are both damaging their reputation.


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2103 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 12):
Mercedes and Schumacher are both damaging their reputation.

I still have hopes for Mercedes though as they are building excellent cars (out of the F1)...

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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2087 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 5):
Is this the beginning of a godawfully boring season?

Depends on which way you look at it, I suppose. If you're a fan of the driver/team dominating, then it's never boring, in my opinion. Vettel is one of my favourite drivers, and I hope he continues to dominate this season. His first title season was dogged by many mistakes he shouldn't have made, and some say he was lucky to have won because he never lead the championship until the final race, but if he backs it up with another title after a dominant season, maybe it'll make his critics take notice.

Williams are my favourite team, and when they used to dominate in the early to mid 90s, I never once thought it was boring.



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

I was watching Practice 2... that Vettel front wing is just so low....   also interesting is the back exhaust, a big oval just infront of the rear wing, whilst others have it lower or even more forward (like Renault).

One shot also showed loads of tyre debris on one of the turns outside of the race line, we might have another 3+ stops race, unless it rains.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17053 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2044 times:

Quoting codeshare (Reply 15):
we might have another 3+ stops race



I wouldn't mind it. Makes it more exciting.



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting codeshare (Reply 15):
I was watching Practice 2... that Vettel front wing is just so low.... also interesting is the back exhaust, a big oval just infront of the rear wing, whilst others have it lower or even more forward (like Renault).

I was under the impression RBR had a blown diffuser.. in fact I believe they pioneered it. I thought it might have been some kind of vent to push out hot air.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 7):
likely only answered by Adrian Newey

Just don't ask him about it. He's not someone to profess his love of KERS.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2034 times:

Will Hammy go to Red Bull?

Lewis Hamilton has shot down McLaren-Mercedes team principal Martin Whitmarsh's stated desire to keep hold of him for the long-term in F1, revealing that he doesn't see 'any attraction whatsoever' to staying with one team forever and claiming 'loyalty has its limits'

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/168395/...ss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

I wonder if he will join RBR if they make him an offer?

 



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2026 times:

He won't go to Ferrari until Alonso is there for sure. Williams would be an obvious choice, but they're not that strong like some time ago. Marketing-wise RBR would be a good choice, but he'd have to cope with Vettel also being there, unless V goes to Ferrari and a position would be open.

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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2016 times:

Quoting bill142 (Reply 17):
I was under the impression RBR had a blown diffuser.. in fact I believe they pioneered it. I thought it might have been some kind of vent to push out hot air.

Could that airflow directed onto the lower part of the rear wing have such a downforce effect ? They have an excellent aero package definately, the car is an evolution of last year's. Plus the chassis is in dark colours so it's kind of difficult to spot some novelties in design.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

I can't explain how it all works, but formula1.com might. Specifically this article

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2011/844/842.html

Those drawings imply to me that not 100% of the exhaust is being used on the diffuser which might explain the large hole at the back of the car. But it seems to me if you're using some of the exhaust then you might as well use it all. But then you might not to keep some of the other components cool and stop them from failing.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Since I moved to Montreal, following the beginning of the season has been quite complicated for me. I have not watched one single race and will not be able to watch this one either  

I guess I'll come back to the F1 thread more regularly once GPs come to Europe...



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17053 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Quoting codeshare (Reply 19):
but he'd have to cope with Vettel also being there, unless V goes to Ferrari and a position would be open.

No, not really as Vettel signed up with RBR until the end of 2014.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Saturday qualifying

Q1

Position Country Driver Team
1 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
2 Russian Federation V Petrov Renault
3 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
4 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
5 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
6 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
7 Great Britain P Di Resta Force India
8 Germany N Heidfeld Renault
9 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
10 Great Britain J Button McLaren
11 Mexico S Perez Sauber
12 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
13 Germany A Sutil Force India
14 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
15 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
16 Venezuela P Maldonado Williams
17 Japan K Kobayashi Sauber

out

18 Australia M Webber Red Bull
19 Finland H Kovalainen Lotus
20 Italy J Trulli Lotus
21 Belgium J d'Ambrosio Virgin
22 Germany T Glock Virgin
23 Italy V Liuzzi Hispania
24 India N Karthikeyan Hispania


Q2

Petrov's Renault stalled.
The race stopped.

Position Country Driver Team

1 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
2 Great Britain J Button McLaren
3 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
4 Russian Federation V Petrov Renault
5 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
6 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
7 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
8 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
9 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
10 Great Britain P Di Resta Force India

out

11 Germany A Sutil Force India
12 Mexico S Perez Sauber
13 Japan K Kobayashi Sauber
14 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
15 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
16 Germany N Heidfeld Renault
17 Venezuela P Maldonado Williams
18 Australia M Webber Red Bull
19 Finland H Kovalainen Lotus
20 Italy J Trulli Lotus
21 Belgium J d'Ambrosio Virgin
22 Germany T Glock Virgin
23 Italy V Liuzzi Hispania
24 India N Karthikeyan Hispania


Q1
Grid

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Vettel GER Red Bull 14 in pits
2 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
3 Hamilton GBR McLaren 11 in pits
4 Rosberg GER Mercedes-Benz 19 in pits
5 Alonso ESP Ferrari 18 in pits
6 Massa BRA Ferrari 16 in pits
7 Alguersuari ESP Toro Rosso 16 in pits
8 di Resta GBR Force India 17 in pits
9 Buemi SUI Toro Rosso 16 in pits
10 Petrov RUS Renault 11 in pits
11 Sutil GER Force India 14 in pits
12 Perez MEX Sauber 16 in pits
13 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 11 in pits
14 Schumacher GER Mercedes-Benz 16 in pits
15 Barrichello BRA Williams 15 in pits
16 Heidfeld GER Renault 11 in pits
17 Maldonado VEN Williams 17 in pits
18 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Lotus 7 in pits
20 Trulli ITA Lotus 10 in pits
21 d'Ambrosio BEL Virgin 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Virgin 8 in pits
23 Liuzzi ITA HRT 9 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 8 in pits


Another pole for Seb Vettel. Congratulations!

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[Edited 2011-04-16 00:16:01]


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25 stealthz : Is it just me or is there something curious in RBR ability to consistently give Vettel a car with working KERS yet just as consistently deny that same
26 codeshare : No no no. This is tricky. 0.7 advantage over Button ? And that long sit in the car after qualy.... strange. Seemed that everybody just let it go and s
27 CXB77L : Vettel's KERS wasn't working last weekend either. It's a gremlin that Red Bull need to get sorted as soon as possible, because this could be their do
28 Post contains links cpd : Slight diversion from China, back to Australia - but only for 1m:48 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4XVF3jJL5Q Jenson Button at Bathurst, the
29 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I was hoping for rain in Shangai during race time tomorrow but it looks that my call will not be answered. http://www.weather.com/weather/today/CHXX01
30 bill142 : And one would expect McLaren to use it at the start and attempt to swamp Vettel off the line. Well we all know who the favorite sun at RBR is and the
31 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Having TelMex and Carlos Slim Helu as a prime supporter and sponsor makes this young F1 driver very attractive.
32 Post contains images bill142 : And Ferrari are just so short of cash that they need a paying driver
33 B747forever : That is interesting. Though if it happens I feel somewhat bad for Massa. He was so close to win the WDC. I doubt that Massa will be able to raise aga
34 Post contains images codeshare : Well they could use some to design a proper car KS/codeshare
35 MadameConcorde : They will need to fire Domenicali. I think that will solve a good part of the problem.
36 bill142 : Why? What's your issue with Domenicali? They managed to go from no where to contenders last season so why wouldn't one expect they could do the same
37 Springbok747 : Wohoo..great start from McLaren! It was sooo gratifying to see Vettel go backwards at the start! Mercedes seem to be doing great too...c'mon Ferrari a
38 bill142 : Well the great start for McLaren hasn't worked out. Button was his own worst enemy by driving into the RBR box and Hamilton.. well who knows what he d
39 B747forever : His tires...
40 stealthz : mmm... Australian commentators(Darryl Beattie) claims Ferrari (Alonso) appeared to be using DRS outside the activation zone... might not have heard th
41 bill142 : Darryl Beattie had one to many falls during his bike racing days and is seeing things me thinks..
42 bill142 : Maybe I'm wrong. BBC here just showed it opening.
43 MadameConcorde : 47th lap this can be Hammy's win! Great overtaking festival by Hammy today!
44 MadameConcorde : Hammy did it again! He passed Vettel oh la la! Supremo Hammy!
45 B747forever : Yeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssss!!!! Hamilton passed Vettel!!! Finally! Come on Button, come on!
46 Springbok747 : Oh yess! What a drive by Webber... Other than that terrible race for Ferrari...dammit.
47 B747forever : Yeah, spectacular race by Webber. Amazing. They are so far behind RBR and McLaren.
48 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Maestro Hammy won!!!!! Happy to see Vettel in second place today! A bit of a change! Good race by Webber he has come very far to his 3rd place A most
49 aerobalance : One of the most spectacular drives I've seen in my life by Weber, 18th to 3rd, no KERS, in the dry, seven seconds behind the race winner. Astonishing!
50 B747forever : Yeah, really amazing performance by Webber. He was only about 2 seconds behind Vettel.
51 CXB77L : I don't buy the favouritism argument. Both cars have had problems. Vettel didn't have KERS for part of last weekend, and it would appear that Red Bul
52 bill142 : 18th to third was a pretty good result for Webber. I was thinking that he was going to be lucky to get points. Great to see McLaren get a win and Lewi
53 Post contains images scbriml : Great race, lots of action all through the race up and down the whole field. Drive of the day by Webber, undoubtedly. Very good drive by Hamilton as w
54 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Hammy is the King of KERS!
55 Post contains images Baroque : What was that? You would not want to have blinked too often. Still a bit contrived and so many rules.
56 codeshare : Finally we had some racing, overtaking, chasing .... a really fine piece of a Grand Prix. Super chase by Lewis, even better by Webbo, few more laps an
57 bill142 : I think it made very little difference to the outcome of his race. He certainly lost a few seconds as and a place during the stop result of his faux
58 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I love it and even more I like to see Kamui chasing after Hammy. He did not get so lucky this time. There is always next time. Considering the small
59 bill142 : I need some advice from some of our US based friends. I'm going to be in Las Vegas when the Turkish GP is on an I'm wondering what channel it will be
60 Post contains images codeshare : I think a lot of the Sauber crew are from the BMW times, only without the season being pre-planned in BMW HQ in Munich Yes more races like this one,
61 B747forever : It will be aired on Speed TV
62 Post contains links flood : Fun race, congrats to Webber on a superb drive and to Lewis on the win. Plenty of action on the track despite the lack of rain. Happy to see Mercedes
63 Post contains images Kent350787 : I turned the race off to sort out dinner for the kids, and Webber had just left the pits having pitted in 15th place. Kicking, kicking myself that I d
64 cpd : They've always been good with small budgets, because for most of the time, they've been on of the smaller teams. Except of course when in 1988, 1989,
65 stealthz : It is worth watching! Here you go- One Sport 11:30PM Tuesday 19/04, I remain convinced that this is the key and one of the major factors now affectin
66 Post contains images EZEIZA : Finally a fun race to watch, with a lot of action going on all the time. I'm happy Vettel did not win this time, it'll make the season more interestin
67 Post contains images Springbok747 : He even led the race for one lap..was exciting ..but just shows you how miserable Ferrari have become nowadays..a far cry from winning everything. I
68 Post contains images cpd : The media says that his position at Red-Bull is under threat, and that he'll be without a drive. That's what fast drives and a decent amount of race-
69 Springbok747 : If that is true..it is terrible. Webber needs a reliable car/team and he can deliver. Somehow he seems to end up with all the bad luck. What is Massa
70 cpd : Not after him bailing out on the Mercedes Benz sports-car program, anything with a Benz engine will be off-limits, I'd guess. I think it is just medi
71 stealthz : Not sure they would hold that much of a grudge, they after all did provide him with an entry more suited to Red Bull Air Race than modern sports car
72 EZEIZA : I don't know about his contract, but rumours of him leaving Ferrari have been going around from his first season. In any case, this season especially
73 bill142 : Signed up last year until the end of 2012 I believe. Whether he stays till then or not is another question. There was rumors that after the team orde
74 Post contains links cpd : http://www.foxsports.com.au/other-sp...s-fix/story-e6frf56c-1226042601080 Rupert Murdoch looks like he will clash with Bernie Ecclestone over control
75 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Interview with Peter Sauber. Peter Sauber Q&A: We’ve reached our first target… …now we have to keep on improving. That is the message from t
76 stealthz : Bernie has not agreed to price and terms yet! Well actually he said F1 is NOT for sale but in the esoteric world of corporate finance that is shortha
77 Baroque : Amazing what he thinks he can do. Obviously not going to wait for all of the News of the World fallout to arrive. I wonder if it was just a rumour pu
78 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Today's F1 driving lesson: Why F1 steering wheels have over 20 buttons – and what they all do http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/04/22/steering-wheels/
79 Post contains links and images madameconcorde : Robert Kubica: Thank you all. I will be returning home in 10 days. The amount of support I received is incredible. I have literally been submerged wit
80 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Great news here! Kubica discharged from Italian hospital "As soon as I leave hospital, I'll head to my home in Monaco for a short period of rest,” K
81 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This is BIG. Ecclestone hints at F1 sale Bernie Ecclestone is reportedly set to quit Formula One should Rupert Murdoch's media group succeed in taking
82 Garpd : If Murdoch gets F1, kiss goodbye to watching it for free. It'll be limited SkySports pay per view with add breaks every few minutes. I stopped watchin
83 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This is really nice! McLaren Trip report: Track the trucks! http://mclaren.com/page/track-the-trucks Trucking to Turkey On the road with Vodafone McLa
84 DiamondFlyer : I'd love to see him get involved, just to get Ecclestone out of F1. Ecclestone has done nothing good for F1 in the recent years, IMO, so seeing him o
85 Post contains images MadameConcorde : McLaren truck report latest updates: Yesterday: Truck update: We're half way between Reims and Aosta. Deciding to pull in for some breakfast after abo
86 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Truck update: The ferry has docked and there are a lot more trucks queuing to board now. At least the weather is better than it was this morning! Ista
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