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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4435 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7151 times:
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Hey gang!

Going to work this morning I was driving along a two lane highway doing 5-7 over the speed limit on my way to work (yes, I will admit I was doing 60-62 in a 55 mph limit on a rural wide open straight road) heading northbound when I saw a deputy heading southbound. I hit my brakes lightly to make sure I was ok and saw him turn around and pull me over. I figured he had me for doing a little over the limit, but to my surprise he came up with a tint meter and measured my front driver window at 44% (not real dark at all for those who are familiar). He asked me if I'd been stopped before for tint and I said no (never have been), and then asked me a couple questions as to where I was heading and such. He said he'd be right back so I figured I was in for a fix it ticket (understandable) and possibly a speeding ticket. He couldn't tell me how fast I was going (I assume he didn't have a radar lock on me) other than I was speeding. However, I got a $132.50 window tint ticket ($50 fine + $17.50 surcharge + $5.00 C.E. surcharge + $60.00 court costs), and nothing for the speed. I have an optional court date May 11. I plan on removing the tint by that date, for obvious reasons. I've literally been stopped for various reasons three or four times over the past few years, none where I received tickets and none that concerned speed or tint, and no county or city police have ever said anything about it when stopped, not to mention the numerous troopers that I've been next to on the highway. I wouldn't mind paying $50, but the surcharges and court costs are what really irritate me.

The advice I want is:

1. Do I suck it up and pay it?

2. My theory is the deputy didn't know how fast I was going, thus had no primary offense to pull me over for. I don't know if this would work as a defense, but window tint isn't enough to pull someone over on the highway I believe (secondary offense).

3. Play dumb and pretend I didn't know it was illegal. It is not a dark tint what so ever, and I have drove ~80,000 miles with no problem, with different agencies never mentioning it.

4. Admit guilt and request a lesser fine.

I'm not trying to simply get out of the ticket, I'm irritated that a $50 tint ticket is $132.50 and no law enforcement has said anything in the past. When I got the tint put on a few years ago, the tint shop I hired said I'd never have to worry about them bothering me with such a light tint on the front.

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15841 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
1. Do I suck it up and pay it?

Probably.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
. I don't know if this would work as a defense

Probably not.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
but window tint isn't enough to pull someone over on the highway I believe (secondary offense).

Don't kid yourself, that's why you got pulled over. Not wearing a seatbelt, talking on the phone, hanging crap from mirrors, loud music, tinted windows, etc. all give cops a reason to pull you over when otherwise they'd let it go. Just don't do that and you'll probably get yourself more leeway.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
tint shop I hired said I'd never have to worry about them bothering me with such a light tint on the front.

Because tint shops would never blow smoke at anyone when trying to make a sale?



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

First of all what is the legal tint limit anyways at your jurisdiction? You got to find that out.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
I hit my brakes lightly to make sure I was ok and saw him turn around and pull me over.

You NEVER do that. That's like admitting you're guilty of speeding right there should the cop see your brake lights. So either downshift, or use the ebrake (GENTLY).

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
but to my surprise he came up with a tint meter and measured my front driver window at 44% (not real dark at all for those who are familiar).

Who in their right mind tints their front window? Mind you, I have completely illegal 15% limo tint all around, EXCEPT in the front window, that's untouched.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
(I assume he didn't have a radar lock on me)

You are assuming he had a radar to being with, not all of them do.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
1. Do I suck it up and pay it?

If you do in fact have illegal tint, then yes.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
but window tint isn't enough to pull someone over on the highway I believe (secondary offense).

It is in some jurisdictions.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):

3. Play dumb and pretend I didn't know it was illegal.

That never works  
Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
4. Admit guilt and request a lesser fine.

Good luck with the lesser part.  


Sounds like you're kissing $130 goodbye. I doubt the cop would not know the tint limit, but 44% seems unreasonably high.


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4435 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7126 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
So either downshift, or use the ebrake (GENTLY).



Definitely a good idea.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
You are assuming he had a radar to being with, not all of them do.

He did- I have a detector that went off, that he didn't see (under seat).

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
Sounds like you're kissing $130 goodbye. I doubt the cop would not know the tint limit, but 44% seems unreasonably high.

It's 70% in Iowa.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7091 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
tint shop I hired said I'd never have to worry about them bothering me with such a light tint on the front.

Because tint shops would never blow smoke at anyone when trying to make a sale?

Every place I've ever known, any aftermarket tint at all on the front windows and windscreen is illegal.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
I'm not trying to simply get out of the ticket, I'm irritated that a $50 tint ticket is $132.50

Seems to me that the makeup of the fine is a rather separate issue altogether from the fact that you got busted with an illegally dark windscreen. If you're guilty, and you seem to be admitting the offence, then I really don't know why you are looking for any other options than paying up. If in general you object to surcharges etc, start a campaign, write to people, do whatever. For the moment though, just pay. If you go to court and try to play games then the surcharges you mention may end up just being a fond memory.



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7045 times:

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
1. Do I suck it up and pay it?

Let's put it like this; unless you have an extremely good friend who is a very "high powered" lawyer, ( and is very "cozy" with all the judges ), you ARE going to pay, whether you "suck it up" or not.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
. I don't know if this would work as a defense, but window tint isn't enough to pull someone over on the highway I believe

On this point you are dreaming ! If a cop wants to pull you over, you're gonna get pulled over; if you press this point in court, you are going to be digging yourself a deeper hole !

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
3. Play dumb and pretend I didn't know it was illegal. It is not a dark tint what so ever, and I have drove ~80,000 miles with no problem, with different agencies never mentioning it.

That "strategy" will have roughly as much chance as a snowball in Phoenix in August

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
4. Admit guilt and request a lesser fine.

You never have to admit guilt; If you really want to, you can always "cook up" some terrible "hardship" story and tell it to the judge, (which he will have already heard 79 times), and then you will end up paying........$ 132.50
Face it........you're dealing with "the system" here; they don't care what irritates you, and they probably won't spend a whole lot of time "debating" about "degrees of tint"; all they want is your $ 132.50, and anything you do that "slows down" the process is quite likely to further complicate things.

I do have some sound advice for you if you hate to pay tickets; ( it took me 40 years and over 2,000,000 miles of over-the-road commercial driving in all "48" to figure this out ); there are a lot of things that cops don't like; most of them are quite well known; a few you may need to "research"; but find them all out............and then, just don't do them !

I "retired" in 1997; I had "had it" with paying tickets ! I thought long and hard about it, then I "adjusted my ways"; it's now 2011, and I haven't been stopped or had a ticket since before I retired.
For years, I used to get mad just seeing a cop ! Not any more; now I wish there were more of them.

I live in a small "village"; the only business in the village is a store, which belongs to a good friend of mine; a bunch of guys get together every Fri. evening and play music; one of the "regulars" who comes to listen is the County Sheriff; over a last 3 or 4 yrs I have become very good friends with him. One of the nicest guys I have ever known. I asked him one time.........what do you do if you pull a car over, and the windows are so tinted you can't see what's inside ?
His answer.........get on the PA, and say, "step out of the vehicle facing forward, NOW" ! If there is no "response", there will be MORE Deputies coming, and all will be prepared to "deal" with anything that "goes down".

That's one of the main reasons cops hate tinted windows, and I can't say that I blame them !

If I had known everything I have mentioned in this post in 1956 ( when I started driving ), I could have saved myself thousands of dollars in fines, made a hell of a lot more money, and probably had even more fun. Unfortunately, I waited till I retired to "adjust". ( But better late than never as they say....)

Charley



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
I figured he had me for doing a little over the limit, but to my surprise he came up with a tint meter and measured my front driver window at 44% (not real dark at all for those who are familiar).

Well, basically the only trick you can do is to remove the tint now and request at the court a report of the tint meter with the data when it was the last time calibrated.

In the Netherlands for example you can request a calibration report for the speeding measure device. When it hasn't been calibrated in the last X months (I don't remember X) you do not have to pay as it might be possible the device is showing wrong results. This might work in the US the same with tint-meters but I have zero knowledge of the US law system in case of calibration reports.

Otherwise just pay.



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
I wouldn't mind paying $50, but the surcharges and court costs are what really irritate me.


Here in the UK, your front windows MUST let at least 75% light in. Any less and you get a fine.
Some cops will allow you to remove the tints if your within a few percent of the legal limit.

At the end of the day, it's your fault. And if you bought the car with the tints, it's still your fault for not removing them.
Ignorance is no defence either.

Best advice is to suck it up, accept the punishment and remove the tints.

[Edited 2011-04-22 02:41:08]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):


You're lucky your fine is only $130.00.
In California, your fine would be more.

Get rid of the tint.
Get rid of any aftermarket gizmo's that draw attention from the police.
The federal, state, county and city governments are all BROKE!
They are looking for just about anything to write you a ticket and bring in revenue.

With all of the cutbacks at all levels of government, police are acting more like the IRS.
They need to show they are bringing in revenue for the department/city.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 7):

Well, basically the only trick you can do is to remove the tint now and request at the court a report of the tint meter with the data when it was the last time calibrated.

I did this back in the 70's with a speeding ticket and the judge dismissed my case as the officer couldn't tell us when the radar gun was last calibrated. The judge actually complimented me on my cleverness, much to my surprise! He asked me if I was a law student, and I told him "No, I was just using common sense."

I would just tell the judge that you didn't know that your tint was in violation of the law and that you have now removed the tint immediately so you are now in compliance with the law. Also tell the judge you are sorry (and mean it!) I think he'll let you go.
Sincerity goes a long way with judges, bold and argumentive does not.


User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2826 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Advice..... Suck it Up. Do a little reading and you'll see why. Your tint was clearly illegal and the only way out is the Iowa medical exemption. Know any friendly doctors? LOL!!
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Iowa Tint Law Enacted: 1983
HOW DARK CAN WINDOW TINT BE IN IOWA?

Darkness of tint is measured by Visible Light Transmission percentage (VLT%). In Iowa, this percentage refers to percentage of visible light allowed in through the combination of film and the window.

Windshield Non-reflective tint is allowed along the top of the windshield above the manufacturer's AS-1 line.
Front Side Windows Must allow more than 70% of light in.
Back Side Windows Any darkness can be used.
Rear Window Any darkness can be used.

http://www.tintcenter.com/laws/IA/

http://www.tintlaws.com/laws/IA/

321.438 Windshields and windows

1. A person shall not drive a motor vehicle equipped with a windshield, side-wings, or side or rear windows which do not permit clear vision.2. A person shall not operate on the highway a motor vehicle equipped with a front windshield, a side window to the immediate right or left of the driver, or a side-wing forward of and to the left or right of the driver which is excessively dark or reflective so that it is difficult for a person outside the motor vehicle to see into the motor vehicle through the windshield, window, or sidewing. The department shall adopt rules establishing a minimum measurable standard of transparency which shall apply to violations of this subsection.3. Every motor vehicle except a motorcycle, or a vehicle included in the provisions of section 321.383 or section 321.115 shall be equipped with a windshield in accordance with section

Under Iowa Administrative Code 761-450.1(321) safety glazing materials or multiple glazed assemblies thereof intended for use at levels requisite for driving visibility in the motor vehicle shall show regular (parallel) luminous transmittance of not less than 70 percent of the light at normal incidence, both before and after irradiation.

http://www.dps.state.ia.us/ISP/infor...ion/faqanswers.shtml#tintedwindows


Iowa Exemption
The rule allows a medical exemption from the 70 percent VLT. A person with a "severe light-sensitive condition" may use a film with a VLT as low as 35 percent if a physician licensed to practice medicine in Iowa signs a form certifying the condition. The signed form must be kept in the vehicle.


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