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The Great Escape! 500 Taliban Tunnel Out Of Jail  
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 3014 posts, RR: 8
Posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

What a complete disaster this is.

How the hell can so many escape without being noticed by the authorities until the "next morning" ???      

Must be an inside job IMHO, carried out with the help of corrupt prison officials no doubt.

Anyway, more than 100 of them are Taliban commanders, and will probably have already taken up fighting positions in the mountains, just in time for the summer fighting season, brilliant !

So, I guess this has just extended the coalitions deployment by many years, Aust, NZ, US, etc, while we try and round them all up again before they kill any more people.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-grea...ghan-jailbreak-20110426-1ducn.html


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

This is deffinetly an inside job and just proves ones again how corupt the society over there is. To be honest I really don't understand what the point is anymore. We should bring our soldiers home. Norway has spent way to much money and time over there for nothing. .

[Edited 2011-04-25 16:53:46]

[Edited 2011-04-25 16:54:59]

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

A couple of years ago, this same prison had another prison break when over 900 Talibans escaped.

Let's see...

We are not allowed to interrogate them;
We can't ship them to Gitmo - I don't think any new prisoners have arrived there in years.
We can't send them to other overseas holding centers - they have all been shut down.
We can't turn them over to the locals - they'll just set them free.

I say we don't bother taking prisoners anymore.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
How the hell can so many escape without being noticed by the authorities until the "next morning"


They just put them in about 20 chartered buses?


Okie


User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4965 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):

I say we don't bother taking prisoners anymore.

I agree. Let's leave. We've tried, we've done what we could, with some success, but honestly, what's the point 10 years later? Our military resources and spending could much better be used in other places.



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineAI121 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

The inmates fled through a 320 meter long tunnel the Taliban said it built over 7 months. Of course they couldn't have achieved that without insider help. This is major setback for US forces. Let's see how government reacts to this.


dhRuv
User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Anyway, more than 100 of them are Taliban commanders, and will probably have already taken up fighting positions in the mountains, just in time for the summer fighting season, brilliant


Or the summer growing season, last year they had the best illegal harvest of opium in decades.
Kind of ironic that a few days after that announcement last year Obama showed up. Justsayin.

Okie


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting san747 (Reply 4):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):

I say we don't bother taking prisoners anymore.

I agree. Let's leave.

Somehow I think that is probabaly not exactly what he meant.

This may have link with the Wikileaks Gitmo documents mentioned in
Value For Money? (by Baroque Apr 25 2011 in Non Aviation)
Value For Money?

How many of this group were really Taliban, Taliban commanders even, or had simply been sold into captivity? As far as one can work out the money is still available and I would imagine that many Afghans are still in the mood to trade, especially if it removes someone you do not happen to like.

Certainly it must have been an inside job except unusually the tunnel was dug from the outside. But who were those who escaped and who were their contacts on the outside. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that one tribal group had simply arranged for another they did not like to be locked up and this was the payback.

Few things are simple, but Afghanistan is the model of riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
So, I guess this has just extended the coalitions deployment by many years, Aust, NZ, US, etc, while we try and round them all up again before they kill any more people.

Like I have said before. The only people that can destroy the Taliban, AQ and Hezbollah are the "good" Muslims. We can't do it by ourselves. Once we leave they will just go back to what they were doing before we went to war. As long as the Islamic world tolerates the hatred and killing we will never make any progress. If radical Islam is something that the majority of "good" Muslims don't support I don't understand how things like this happen.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
We can't turn them over to the locals - they'll just set them free.

Yep. Contrary to popular belief many locals share their view of anything that doesn't go in line with the Quran.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6731 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
Like I have said before. The only people that can destroy the Taliban, AQ and Hezbollah are the "good" Muslims. We can't do it by ourselves.

You and I don't agree on many things, but on this we are in perfect agreement. The only way to stop Muslim radicals is for the rest of the Muslim world to step in.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
As long as the Islamic world tolerates the hatred and killing we will never make any progress.

Sadly true.


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1932 times:

One more opportunity for CNN to show us an endless loop of Taliban in pajamas training away. That itself is an act of terrorism...

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 10):
One more opportunity for CNN to show us an endless loop of Taliban in pajamas training away. That itself is an act of terrorism...

At least that gives me a smile. We got it on SBS and ABC here, same footage, and I went Oh God, not again - again!!

That goes with the shot of Hicks and his empty rocket launcher. Apparently that was taken in Kosovo, he never ever fired a rocket launcher, and the article in question was not "for firing", it was for "holding and having your photo taken".


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 11):
That goes with the shot of Hicks and his empty rocket launcher. Apparently that was taken in Kosovo, he never ever fired a rocket launcher, and the article in question was not "for firing", it was for "holding and having your photo taken".

You're right. Sometimes I wonder if we've evolved at all from the Roman 'Bread and Circuses' days...


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
If radical Islam is something that the majority of "good" Muslims don't support I don't understand how things like this happen.

The same way that the vast majority of Russians during the Cold War weren't vehement communists, but were rather victims of the system.

The same is true here. The radicals are the ones with the weapons, the ones who enjoy violence. The good people who don't like violence must either turn to violence themselves or simply live with it. I think too many of them are too busy feeding, clothing, and housing themselves and their families to care too much about politics.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
but were rather victims of the system.

Oh yea of course.   

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
to care too much about politics.

This isn't politics. It's religion. It's amazing how these same people that can't be bothered with violence still find time to beat and stone women and kill daughters who shame them by not wanting to follow the rules of arranged marriages. You know who want to become "westernized"


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):

This isn't politics. It's religion

In Islam, they are one and the same. That's the problem. Islam is not just a religion but a comprehensive set of laws which govern your personal life (that's the religion part), but also politics, economics, civil rights, warfare and international relations.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

With all the deficit financing we're now mired in in the west, I can't for the life of me understand why we're all still there. Our guys are supposed to be outta there this summer, but not long ago I read that a few will be hanging in there to protect the handful of social workers that will still be toiling away. I'd like to see ALL of them come home -- now.

Afghanistan is 10 years of botched, ill-considered western policy that followed hard on the heels of 10 years of botched, ill-considered Soviet policy. Don't we ever learn?



Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
Afghanistan is 10 years of botched, ill-considered western policy that followed hard on the heels of 10 years of botched, ill-considered Soviet policy. Don't we ever learn?

Next time, just nuke the place and be done with it, eh?



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):

This isn't politics. It's religion. It's amazing how these same people that can't be bothered with violence still find time to beat and stone women and kill daughters who shame them by not wanting to follow the rules of arranged marriages. You know who want to become "westernized"

Have you actually ever met someone from that part of the world?

You're going to say that you have, much like Sarah Palin claims to have a ton of gay friends. Fact is you obviously haven't. Because if you had, you would have met someone a lot like you. They just want the best for their families and kids.

Just as there are religious fanatics here, there are religious fanatics there. The difference is that religious fanatacism there is celebrated where as here it is merely tolerated.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Have you actually ever met someone from that part of the world?

Good Lord are you predictable. As a matter of fact my cousin is brining his gf who is from Egypt over for coffee tonight. Not that you will believe it but you just don't want to hear anything counter to your view or anything different than your MSNBC race and bigot card. Give it a rest. I am sick of you casting all these assumptions that people that don't tow your pro left line are rednecks who have never met anyone outside of the caucasian race.


Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
You're going to say that you have, much like Sarah Palin claims to have a ton of gay friends. Fact is you obviously haven't. Because if you had, you would have met someone a lot like you. They just want the best for their families and kids.

What does Sarah Palin have to do with this? Give it a break. She has no business being in this discussion. My views are left of hers. Not that you want to remember that because it once again destroys your weak argument.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Just as there are religious fanatics here, there are religious fanatics there. The difference is that religious fanatacism there is celebrated where as here it is merely tolerated

You forget that it results in many beheadings, killing and otherwise total violence? It's celebrated there because it's a huge belief for many over there. Don't let the civil unrest in Syria, Egypt and Libya fool you. The majority of them don't like anything different from the Quran.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
As a matter of fact my cousin is brining his gf who is from Egypt over for coffee tonight.

For what it's worth, Egpyt and Afghanistan are very different places.

-Mir



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
over 900 Talibans escaped.

I think they prefer "Talibaners"  


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 3014 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Quoting AI121 (Reply 5):
This is major setback for US forces.

Its a set back for all concerned, NOT just the US.

Or do you believe that the US are the only ones fighting.... seems so by your comment.  
Quoting Baroque (Reply 7):
Few things are simple, but Afghanistan is the model of riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

Your not wrong there Baroque!

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
That's the problem. Islam is not just a religion but a comprehensive set of laws which govern your personal life (that's the religion part), but also politics, economics, civil rights, warfare and international relations.

  



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User currently onlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2824 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

LOL, here comes the Hollywood made for TV movie.

The Great Escape II


User currently onlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):

What do you mean "not allowed to interrogate them?"

Is waterboarding really that important to you?


25 Springbok747 : Why? Nuking that place will achieve nothing. The US and coalition should not have invaded that god-forsaken hell hole in the first place. What has 10
26 Dreadnought : So you are saying that we should not have responded to 9/11? The Taliban government was harboring those who did it and rendered themselves accomplice
27 Newark727 : Wait, so the correct response to 9/11, an act of murder against innocent civilians, would have been to deploy a nuclear bomb and not even pretend to a
28 Dreadnought : A nuke might not have been necessary, but if the last decade has taught us anything is that the Afghans (and others) were not worth all the effort we
29 Springbok747 : Wait....how was the "shock and awe" campaign a response to 9/11? Was it meant to intimidate the Taliban? If so..it clearly didn't work. The whole poi
30 Dreadnought : After 10 years of this crap, that doesn't bother me as much as it would have in 2001.
31 cws818 : This would be even more disturbing if you were in a position of decision-making authority.
32 TheCommodore : You cant really mean that ? What sort of humanitarian nightmare would this cause the entire world, including the US.
33 Post contains images Superfly : Excellent post and recap on World history. My concern is if they're caught, Attorney General Eric Holder will slap them with misdemeanor and fine the
34 cws818 : Yes, there were millions of civilians killed in numerous wars - all the more reason to avoid adding to that sad and unfortunate tally. Just because t
35 Springbok747 : Actually just pull the troops out. Nuking will not solve anything. The vast majority of Afghans are not enemy combatants. Thus, using nukes in Afghan
36 Superfly : You have a better solution?
37 cws818 : Yes: avoiding genocide.
38 Post contains links Baroque : And my equally predictable response is to ask if missing the "g" out of bringing, is a subtle hint we should take your story with a bucketful of salt
39 Superfly : Is it OK for our servicemen & women and our allies servicemen & women continue to be picked off like sitting ducks? These people showed their
40 cws818 : Not all of them did. Some did - a small minority. Condemning the entire population of a country for the actions of a few is not productive.
41 cws818 : Of course not, but it is also not an excuse for genocide.
42 Post contains links and images TheCommodore : It sure dose Supposedly they have re caught 60 according to the SMH http://www.smh.com.au/world/taliban-...t-great-escape-20110427-1dvzk.html That's
43 Superfly : I haven't read a solution yet. Did any of their people do anything to stop it? Since it as such a "small minority", the vast majority of the so-called
44 cws818 : Nor have I. Very well. Let's substitute the term "extermination of a population," if you prefer.[Edited 2011-04-27 00:09:47][Edited 2011-04-27 00:10:
45 cws818 : You assume not only that the majority would have known what was going to happen beforehand, but also that they would be in the right place at the rig
46 Springbok747 : Did you even read what I wrote? Pull the troops out. Protect your borders. There is absolutely NO need for Americans/coalition soldiers to be dying t
47 Post contains images TheCommodore : One of these has already occurred, probably doesn't much matter about the other point. [Edited 2011-04-27 00:50:22]
48 Superfly : It's called war. We dropped the bomb on Japan. Japan managed to be very productive superpower and there are millions of Japanese today. South Korea a
49 Post contains images NIKV69 : Ahh yes of course if my post has a typo of course it should be rendered not credible. Talk about a predictable response. Source please. Yet these thi
50 Post contains links Baroque : Start here. US official sources: http://www.smh.com.au/world/wikileak...ing-on-torture-20110426-1dv5u.html One of the files records that ''from 3 to
51 Baroque : Forgot to add, for Hicks we even seem to know the price, $10,000. So basically having paid 10K for an idiot, the US was determined to get their money
52 Springbok747 : But nuking entire countries will not do anything. Can you imagine the uproar there will be if the US, for example, nukes Iran or NK or Afghanistan? I
53 Post contains images NIKV69 : LOL, the lawyer of the detainees who is mad that one flipped is your source? That's rich. Oh yea the Guardian is very realiable too. No need to, you
54 na : Sure. And those guys have run with the murderers if they had any brains. Otherwise they´ll face execution for sure. I think its time for the west to
55 Newark727 : The fact that we're at war with these people (IMO we shouldn't be, the notion of a "war on terrorism" is an utter mistake) doesn't justify a thing. N
56 Baroque : Well Nik, you clearly approve of what has been done so far re Mr Terry Wrist and his friends, so do tell, how are you going with the GWOT? Oh and do l
57 imiakhtar : So, ultimately, you don't believe in the equality of life?
58 Baroque : Nicely put Newark. It really is a version of the old Irish saying, "If I was going there I wouldn't start from here". And that definitely applied to
59 cws818 : That doesn't mean it should necessarily be done again, does it?
60 Superfly : I am so glad this mindset wasn't in the White House in the 1940s. Not for those murders . Why not? Drop the bomb tomorrow already!
61 Newark727 : Be glad all you like. Al Qaeda is not Imperial Japan; this "war on terror" isn't World War II; the time is not 1945, however much you'd like it to be
62 Superfly : Call it what ever you want but kissing their arse isn't a winning strategy. The next President will just have to fight harder.
63 san747 : Ignoring them and focusing on real problems here at home IS a winning strategy. The next President should have to fight harder, absolutely- to fix ou
64 Post contains links Springbok747 : Or pull out. If there were no troops in that place, then stuff like this won't happen.. Eight US troops and a US contractor have been killed by an Af
65 Newark727 : Well I'm glad you've at least walked back a little from genocide advocacy.
66 TheCommodore : Obviously you only read what you want to read ! The source has already been provided in the link of that very post you replied too. Do you realize th
67 cws818 : Japan, 1945 and Afghanistan, 2011 are quite different. That aside, this turkey of an "idea" - using nuclear weapons in Afghanistan - was brought up b
68 Mir : They did sign up for the job. Don't want to put them in danger? Don't send them somewhere (or, in this case, pull them out). Or "Threads". Nor do I.
69 DeltaMD90 : Wait, what would nuking Afghanistan even do? It would kill a lot of good and bad people and just piss off the entire Middle East/world, making more te
70 Baroque : That is one important point. Another one is the reverse of NIK's supposed point. He claims a right to nuke Afghanistan as some Afghans have murdered
71 Superfly : Then I guess you two need to learn the meaning of the word 'genocide'. I've already explain in reply #43 that it would NOT be genocide. He it's war.
72 cws818 : That is why I said "extermination or genocide."[Edited 2011-04-27 22:15:10]
73 Superfly : It's called defeating the enemy.
74 cws818 : Indiscriminate and ill-advised use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations is not the best way to do that.
75 cws818 : How so? Turkey is also a predominantly Muslim country. Why is having a Muslim population the root of Afghanistan's problems?[Edited 2011-04-27 22:17:
76 Post contains links Springbok747 : I guess it has to do with what form of Islam those people follow and to what extent. Obviously the people in Afghanistan follow (Sharia law?) very st
77 Post contains images Superfly : Exactly! We know where the enemy is and carpet bombing Afghanistan wouldn't kill "everybody".
78 TheCommodore : Um, back up a second.... Didn't you advocate "Nuking" the lot of them in earlier posts ??? But now you want to carpet bomb ? Is that as well as the "
79 Superfly : Are the terrorist adhering to the Geneva Convention?
80 TheCommodore : Who cares what the terrorists do, we have to be, and we ARE, better than they are, we cant stoop to there level, NO matter what happens. Remember the
81 Mir : They are certainly not. Now how does that justify carpet-bombing non-combatants? -Mir
82 Post contains links Baroque : "Thanks"!!! I had not seen that before, but while it makes me wince, I guess the nuke em all merchants just suppose it does not affect them. Wonder h
83 Post contains links and images TheCommodore : Not even cold hard cash can do that Baroque ! http://www.smh.com.au/national/troop...-afghan-victims-20090701-d593.html How we/you/us/them, undo all
84 Baroque : Yes well therein might be a good part of the problem. It must have seemed all too easy, buying your way to this that and the other. While I do not op
85 Newark727 : That, once more, doesn't justify a thing! In fact, the whole reason for being of the American efforts in Afghanistan is that we are following, lament
86 Dreadnought : Most certainly not. No we are not. International conventions, if you look up the Geneva Conventions, say that if the enemy is embedded in a village,
87 Post contains images TheCommodore : I believe its something to do with the fact that Blair and Brown are not "knights of the Royal garter" Rather convenient don't you think.... Sir Tony
88 Dreadnought : Apart from scale, what's the difference?
89 TheCommodore : Come on now Dreadnaught. You telling me you can't (or wont) see a difference. The scale of doing something like that would be unfathomable, and the f
90 Dreadnought : I never advocated nuking the place. That will always be the last resort. I'm saying that we should stop holding back on Taliban targets due to fears
91 Mir : You said: While that's not calling for nuclear weapon use, it does go a fair distance further than just not holding back on Taliban targets. Carpet-b
92 Dreadnought : I read it differently. If Kandahar, for instance was considered a Taliban stronghold, and they were spread across town and not localized, then you ca
93 cws818 : You don't accept that scale is crucially important in this discussion?
94 Dreadnought : Well yeah, you don't flatten a town to hit one guy. Look, these guys are still alive because they have learned to use our own distaste civilian casua
95 Mir : Depends on how spread out they are. Or even several guys. The only case in which flattening a town is justifiable is when there are so many targets i
96 cws818 : I share your frustration. However, I worry that the consequences of acting out of understandable frustration could be very, very bad.
97 Post contains images Superfly : Well said! Isn't that how Afghanistan is already? Where was all the love and pity for the peace-loving Japanese and peace-loving Germans during World
98 cws818 : It is possible and, I would suggest, laudable to have sympathy for both. There have also been more troops in Afghanistan during the Obama administrat
99 Baroque : But you only joined in Feb 2008. The psychics are in town again?
100 Mir : I'd very much doubt it. If the terrorists really had that amount of coverage, I'd think they'd have capabilities far beyond what they've shown. We di
101 Post contains images Superfly : Hearts and minds of who? They don't want us there. Us old-timers used to call him as Cfalk.
102 Baroque : I know that, but apparently he might have forgotten. Not reasonable to blame the lousy search function that is there these days when he sends folk lo
103 Superfly : I've given up on that feature long ago.
104 Post contains images Dreadnought : Sorry - thought everyone knew Yeah, the new search function (new - hell they changed it years ago) is crap. The old one was much better.
105 Baroque : That is something we CAN agree about. But not everyone would have known of your change of, well not personality, but your stage name. As Cfalk only r
106 Post contains links Dreadnought : Not much to explain. I used to have a lot more respect for Islam and believed that given the chance Afghans and other Muslim peoples would jump at th
107 Post contains links Baroque : You appear to be confusing rivalries that are more tribal than religious. Somehow it goes down better to be able to use a religious cause to support
108 Mir : It's true they don't want us there. But if we decide that we're going to be there, it's in our interest to not make more enemies than we already have
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