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Who Is The Best Car Manufacturer?  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19807 posts, RR: 59
Posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5520 times:

I argue it's Toyota. They have a reputation for excellent and stringent quallity. Two decade-old Toyota vehicles are still running without a hitch. They also design vehicles that work well within their mission. Their trucks are tough, their commuter cars smooth and quiet. And they cover a large portion of the market nicely, from the lower-end Scion marketed at the young, to the mid-range Toyota brand, to the luxury Lexus brand, Toyota has dominated the market and in my opinion, they are the company to be beat... and feared.

What do you think?

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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3007 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5520 times:

I agree, Toyota. They also have interoperability of parts accross the range, from Corolla to Hiace van.
My only problem, is that I don't like the way some of the smaller cars look!

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10752 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

A manufacturer who isnt able do design cars so they look good cant be the best. So, Toyota cant be best. In design and elegance they even belong way down on such a list. But on the boring car list they are high up. Toyota builds good cars for ordinary people who look for nothing else but for something that brings them from A to B, and that for a long time. I agree that Toyota may build cars that last, but otherwise I dont see anything to place them among the best.

Imho there is no "best manufacturer" anyway because thats a matter of definition. And people have different priorities.
Example: there is a brand which builds longlasting, in general good-looking cars that go like hell - Porsche. If they wouldnd fail miserably in terms of affordability and the notorious gas-guzzling of their SUVs they might well be the best.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Ford.




I've always been happy with their cars.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3956 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5495 times:

Any German brand: Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Porche and WW

User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

An automobile should have passion, style, and soul. Toyotas have none of those, because they don't have any style, they weren't built with pride and passion. These things are the automotive equivalent of an appliance and don't evoke the same feelings that an old Jeep or Mustang evokes.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 4):
Any German brand: Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Porche and WW

  

Nothing beats German engineering and they certainly build some very good looking cars. Personally, I'm very biased towards Mercedes Benz.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10752 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5485 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
An automobile should have passion, style, and soul. Toyotas have none of those, because they don't have any style, they weren't built with pride and passion. These things are the automotive equivalent of an appliance and don't evoke the same feelings that an old Jeep or Mustang evokes.

Well said.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 4):
Any German brand: Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Porche and WW
Nothing beats German engineering and they certainly build some very good looking cars. Personally, I'm very biased towards Mercedes Benz.

That probably comes as close as possible. Taken everything in account, I´d say nowadays the German car industry builds the best cars. Unaffordable for 50% of car buyers worldwide, though.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Mercedes Benz has been one of the most consistent - and they were the first.

Otherwise, I think Pagani is building the "best" cars at the moment. Exquisite engineering without compromise. Who cares about cost.   He builds cars with pride, passion and careful attention to detail.

Open up the back of a Zonda Cinque - how could anyone not be impressed by that sight?


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3956 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 4):
Any German brand: Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Porche and WW

Forgot to add Opel and Maybach  


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5431 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 8):
Maybach

The problem with them is not the engineering and luxury, that's fine. But it's too close to a really expensive Mercedes. I wonder what the new ones will be like - if there are any new ones? I don't imagine they'll build DS8 models again with modern technology?  

That's where Rolls Royce is better. They have BMW technology, but they are nothing like a BMW.

I hope Maybach can find a way to re-establish itself at the top of the standings again.  

Another manufacturer I forgot about is McLaren. They've been very consistently building great cars.   When the F1 arrived, it made everything else seem prehistoric. It was so fast overall that people thought that maybe nobody will build a quicker car. Eventually after a very long time and a problematic development cycle, Veyron did go faster - but only in a straight line I suspect. Now it seems like the new MP4-12C from McLaren has again taken a huge leap forward.


User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9446 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 8):
Forgot to add Opel

I had a good laugh on that.



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User currently offlinerlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Porsche has to be the best car manufacture. I do not think anybody else is close. They are the top of the ladder in the auto world.


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User currently onlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Toyota? I especially like the Toyota Bland, the Toyota Average, the Toyota Boring and of course their new bestseller, the Toyota Dull. Not to forget the new star of their luxury brand, the Lexus Lackluster.

Quoting cpd (Reply 7):
Mercedes Benz has been one of the most consistent - and they were the first.

If I want a Mercedes, I'm calling a cab.

BMW.

[Edited 2011-05-01 04:26:34]

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10752 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 12):
Toyota? I especially like the Toyota Bland, the Toyota Average, the Toyota Boring and of course their new bestseller, the Toyota Dull. Not to forget the new star of their luxury brand, the Lexus Lackluster.

There are so many dull people with average demands and bland taste out there, no wonder those lackluster cars sell!

Quoting racko (Reply 12):
If I want a Mercedes, I'm calling a cab.

BMW.

 


User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 11):
Porsche has to be the best car manufacture. I do not think anybody else is close. They are the top of the ladder in the auto world.

For what?

Indeed, that's a fair question about the whole thread. Porsche doesn't build practical cars for the family that have low emissions and good fuel economy. Opel doesn't make an excellent luxury sporting car that will hold its value well for years. Best can mean many things, and that could be biggest/most prestigious/most stylish/whatever. Maybe it's more a question of what we like and what we respect.

Toyota, for example, makes an excellent range of well-made cars that sell well the world over. I still probably wouldn't aspire to own any of them. I'm not a petrolhead either, so I'm not going to be seen drooling over a V12 engine, no matter how many bhp it has or how beautiful the engine apparently looks; there's probably as much genius in the little 1.2 TSI found across the VW range. I used to drive a Skoda. Skoda are renowned in the UK for quality cars, fair pricing, and excellent customer service. The owning experience is superb. Yet many people on this board would never own a Skoda.

A word about quality: we have to be careful about what comes down to perception. Look at the reliability indices compiled by independent warranty firms (accepting that these surveys have limitations); contrary to reputations, you'll find some German cars near the bottom of the list, and some French cars near the top.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

Oh goodie, this thread will turn into flame fest very quickly. Allow me to fan the coals   

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
I argue it's Toyota.

If you have a penchant for driving around in something as agile as an elephant on ice skates, an interior built out of recycled dildos, styled by someone who's either brain dead or blind, and all things considered overpriced for what you get, then sure, I could see that. And I feel the same way for all asian brands, specially the Korean ones.

And also might I add I know plenty of people with very old asian cars and they swear by them because they are "indestructible" and will supposedly last them another million miles. And sure, while the engine itself may be just fine, in all these cars the interior is falling apart, there's a nasty vibration or noise coming from the drive train, half of the electricals don't work, it won't drive straight, there's rust on the body panels, etc etc. Well built my ass  

Subaru is the only Asian brand I respect, the interiors still don't impress me but the rest of the car is mostly on par with a VW, which is a good thing. And their boxer engines are excellent.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 4):
Any German brand: Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Porche and WW

              

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Ford.

              


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5355 times:
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I agree with the call on German cars - Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Audi, and Volkswagen. I'm also partial to Mercedes-Benz but I wouldn't mind any of the above brands.


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10752 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 14):
contrary to reputations, you'll find some German cars near the bottom of the list, and some French cars near the top.

I dont believe these statistics as none are truly independent. "Some" German cars may be the bottom, and "some" frech near the top, but overall the opposite is true.


Quoting IH8BY (Reply 14):
Toyota, for example, makes an excellent range of well-made cars that sell well the world over.

They sell well, because they fullfill the average mans needs to go from A to B without much trouble. Excellent they are in this respect, sure, but overall they are not excellent, because they dont look excellent, and they dont feel excellent. They are, sorry, so bland and ordinary I dont bother looking at them more than I need to in traffic.


User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5345 times:

Mercedes-Benz and no chance of saying otherwise. Jeep also make great, lasting cars.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Toyota has dominated the market and in my opinion, they are the company to be beat... and feared.

Well, Toyota better watch Hyundai very closely as they are being extremely aggressive at the moment in trying to place every Toyota driver behind a Hyundai's wheel. And they have built a fantastic generation of cars let me tell you.

Speedbird741

[Edited 2011-05-01 06:12:44]


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User currently offlinerichm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 803 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5314 times:

I'd say BMW is definitely a contender. They're typically well built, well engineered and very reliable. What more can you ask for? :P Not only that, but you have the added touch of luxury. They're certainly not a Bentley or a Rolls Royce, but definitely a step above from your average run of the mill car. My BMW was 10 years old when I had it, yet it still had many of the mod cons that you don't always find on brand new cars today. (Weather warning system, on board computer, cruise control, climate control, stability control, just to name a few...)

I had a BMW 3 series for 5 years and in that time, I never have a single problem even though the car had over 100k miles on the clock. I now have a newer Land Rover, with fewer miles on the clock and I've had nothing but problems with it. Next time I buy a car, I know what I will be getting.

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[Edited 2011-05-01 06:31:18]

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5300 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
What do you think?

I think I'd have to do a lot of test driving to accurately tell you anything. I have a penchant for Renault/Ferrari/Alfa Romeo/Lamborghini/Lotus/Land Rover but different cars for different purposes in different conditions.... Whereas my favourite and therefore 'the best' car might be a Ferrari lightweight of some sort like the Stradale/Scuderia, sometimes I might need to park/drive slowly in central london or other times I might want to cross the Sahara.

There aren't any manufacturers that don't make at least one ugly, inpractical, pointless vehicle. Some like BMW make many (some like the X6 fit all off the above), but that doesn't detract from the good cars they make.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 5293 times:

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 14):
and good fuel economy

On that note, the best car in the world must be the Volkswagen XL1:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/100836/volkswagen-xl1/

Over 300mpg, so they suggest. And on the older version of the concept, they reckoned about 1.8L/100km with the car doing 100mph, which is still brilliant. It probably drives quite poorly, surely only for city driving at moderate speeds, but then with our strict speed limits - that's all you'd need. And it'd probably be super-cheap to run as well.


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 5284 times:

The question is way to vague. Clearly it depends on what you value. I place very high value on reliability and resale value. That pretty much eliminates American and German cars. I love several German cars in terms of design and performance, but they aren't reliable and lose value quickly.

Honda and Toyota, although they aren't exciting, are sure bets.


User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 5262 times:

The question is highly ambiguous. There are many ways the 'best' manufacturer can be measured. Are we talking build quality, engineering, design, efficiency or simply an all rounder? Many of the brand mentioned here and had good and bad models over the years, be they build issues, design or whatever. There are also clearly peoples personal preferences are coming into play here. For someone who's had good experiences over the years with one brand, there will be another who would speak the opposite.

So in answer to the question. There is no answer.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10752 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 5251 times:

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 22):
I place very high value on reliability and resale value. That pretty much eliminates American and German cars.

German cars are known for being reliable and having a high resale value for a long time, so how do you come to the opposite opinion? Hondas and Toyotas loose value quicker. Those dull Japanese cars can only be sold to dull people looking for a bargain, when getting older.

But anyway, reliability is a value I also find important, but which is in no way decisive for me when buying a car. There are few cars which are truly unreliable nowadays. Resale value isnt very important to me as I do not change cars often.

My car should look much better than average, must be affordable and it shouldnt be ubiquitous in the first place. All other things come second for me. And thats why dont drive a German car in Germany.


25 af773atmsp : There is no best manufacturer but my favorites are: Dodge Mercury Our 1999 Dodge minivan is still running great, it's reliable, and I love driving it
26 Fly2HMO : Just FYI my opinions are based on the all-around point of view and from personal experience. I've certainly driven tens of thousands more miles than t
27 JAL : Have always own Nissan all my life have to say Nissan!
28 Post contains images columba : Powell Motors Simpsons Fan know what I mean
29 Flight152 : Their cars are uninspired, anonymous driving appliances. Their quality has declined and have floaty, dumb steering. I'd argue they are one of the WOR
30 Braniff747SP : For the more affordable cars, I'd have to say Subaru- the build quality is much better than any Toyota, Honda, etc. The Outback is a great car, for no
31 Post contains images bill142 : The Homer was an almighty machine and at $82000 was a bargain too
32 Aesma : I'm not sure why Toyota makes bland cars but Audi is praised ? All Audis look the same (aside from the TT/R8 obviously), to the point you have trouble
33 PPVRA : Toyotas are incredibly reliable and economic. But they do indeed lack the fun factor. But to get that you have to sacrifice the economic factor and go
34 L410Turbolet : Perhaps, but still lightyears ahead of anything that comes out of Detroit. ditto for VW. There is no Polo, Golf or Passat anymore. Just smaller Golf,
35 DocLightning : Yanno, it's made of protons, neutrons, and electrons. So the pieces will start to fall apart if they get 20 years old. Few other cars get to be 20 ye
36 mham001 : Those two already answered the thread. That may have been so once upon a time but there is plenty of evidence that has changed. I have owned more Ger
37 na : I must agree with you here. Too many assistent systems, too much electronices that eventually will fail. A 60s Mercedes is still worth a lot, a 2011
38 Fly2HMO : Then please do tell how my mom's 91 VW Passat was in the family for 18 years and the interior up until the very end was in mint condition. IF anythin
39 KiwiRob : As a group it would be hard to go past VW, the depth of brands is staggering, every sector from city cars to trucks is covered. VW, Audi, Bentley, Bu
40 mham001 : In past years, it is widely known that the TDI Jetta was the one to buy because the diesel model was made in Germany and quality was noticeably highe
41 Post contains images Fly2HMO : Says who? And I don't see how considering the Mexican factory, and all their other factories from that matter, sources almost all their parts from Eu
42 Post contains images Flighty : That's because, in 1991, Toyota was certainly the best automaker. Today, Toyota is basically a zombie still fed by its 80s-early 90s greatness. For t
43 ACDC8 : Up here where I live, you could count 20 year old Toyotas on one hand. 20 and even 30 year old VWs on the other hand dominate the roads no question.
44 mham001 : I understand plenty of people believe one or the other is biased in some way or another - I do too. When they are all consistent however, then you ha
45 MrChips : For me, I would have to say that BMW is probably the best manufacturer overall - and I'm not just saying that because I own two of them. BMW not only
46 Springbok747 : True. The new lineup that Ford has is really impressive, especially in the small-car segment, like the Focus and Fiesta. Hyundai also seem to be buil
47 StuckInCA : Not in the US. I come to the opposite opinion based on data rather than emotion or hearsay. There are specific models that are OK, but as a whole, VW
48 sccutler : "Best." Sp much said in one, four-lettered word. I agree that the precision of engineering and general reliability of Toyotas is laudable. But the com
49 Asturias : Personally I reject the notion of a car being for the sole purpose of going from A to B. That's just too limited, since a car is or should be an exten
50 DocLightning : That's a bizarre contention given that Toyota, among other things, put out the first hybrid and continues to offer the best MPG of any mid-sized vehi
51 StuckInCA : In what terms do you define "quality?" GM has horrid reliability while Toyota's is outstanding. I'm confused.
52 MrChips : Some of Toyota's problem is that they have backed off somewhat from building cars of incredible durability and reliability - it wasn't that long ago t
53 sccutler : If you make such a statement as if it were a current and valid fact, you are indeed confused.
54 YokoTsuno : Where exactly were they first? Same here. I am actually surprised that people make this differentiation in Western countries. Here we use the term "Eu
55 Post contains images BMI727 : For people who don't car about cars, it's a good pick. But as a Toyota owner I can tell you, that Toyota's biggest virtue is that it has no vices, an
56 StuckInCA : OK. How? What data out there doesn't support my assertion? Consumer reports and other publicly available information I find backs up my position. *sh
57 stratosphere : I will tell you what. I have owned many new cars and the best car I ever owned was when I bought a 1984 toyota supra. I was crazy about that car and t
58 Flighty : I can tell. GM never had horrid reliability. They test cars just as hard as Toyota and always have. Toyota certainly used to build better cars and sm
59 StuckInCA : So you're ignoring publicly available reliability data and going on your gut? Whatever blows your hair back...
60 flanker : Easy, Audi. Vorsprung durch Technik
61 sccutler : Actually, inasmuch as yours is the initial assertion, the burden of persuasion is yours - produce evidence in support thereof.
62 Flighty : For JD Power 2011, Toyota had 122 problems, Buick 125, Cadillac 130... pretty much equal in my book. I'm going on _everyone's gut_ because I read and
63 acidradio : How are we defining "best"? Quality? Reliability? Enjoyment? Affordability? Fuel economy? Comfort? Some mix of these? Are Toyotas great cars in terms
64 Post contains images CXB77L : I may be a Merc fan, but I do like in-line sixes with rear drive. I've also got to admit that the new BMW 5-Series is just simply gorgeous. If I wasn
65 Springbok747 : Not reliable?! I've seen BMWs and Mercs that have done over 500,000 kms..still going strong. Our old M-class had 250,000 kms on the clock and still s
66 AirPacific747 : What do you mean by the best manufacturer? Price vs. quality, popularity, or just quality? Bentley and Rolls-Royce are the best in terms of quality I
67 na : If money is no matter, and parkinglots in the city no concern I´d say so too. Reportedly 70% of all RRs built since the foundation of the company mo
68 Post contains images YokoTsuno : I agree on that one. Next to a Jaguar, Mercedes, Land Rover or the likes a Japanese or Korean car looks like plain Jane. Even the "cheaper" ones like
69 StuckInCA : I can't paste Consumer Reports paid content in here. Go sign up and check it out. There's nothing else I'm going to share that isn't publicly availab
70 racko : Audi 80 Duo. A BMW 320d EfficientDynamics Edition has a consumption of 4,1l/100km in the ECE-test, while the Prius uses 4.0l/100km. In reality, the P
71 Post contains images comorin :
72 TOMMY767 : VW's are cheap Audi's. They are not in the same class of German Car, definitely not as reliable either. I also find Benz's to be of lesser quality th
73 MasterBean : Caterham, they don't build one bad model. That's a model of a model, since they only really make one car.
74 Cargolex : Caterham did build one not-so-hot car, the oft-forgotten Caterham 21. I've owned cars from I think about thirty different brands manufactured in twelv
75 Ken777 : Toyota from the old days? I'd agree with that. Unfortunately Toyota took a lot of quality out of their cars in the 90s in order to lower the price an
76 L410Turbolet : Probably not. Certainly not the ones that come to Europe, Corollas from South Africa and Daewoo "Chevrolet" Cruze... wherever they are made.
77 Post contains images goblin211 : Was voted as best by Top Gear UK Ferrari all the way!!!
78 JJJ : That's because Skoda's place in the European market is roughly the same VW itself has in the US. VW in Europe positions itself slightly above the mai
79 Post contains images rlwynn : That is why I have this one. I could have any car I want. I chose an Octavia 4x4 2.0 tdi. It is loaded with every possible option and one the very fe
80 Post contains links bj87 : For me it has got to be Volvo. The best car I ever crashed! They are well build, not that bad looking these days but a bit expensive. That said if you
81 Post contains images sebolino : Are you a drug dealer ?
82 sebolino : I don't own one, but I heard that Honda was one a the most reliable brand. They make wonderful cars also.
83 Post contains images parton87 : I think Volvo is the best
84 WildcatYXU : Skoda's lineup is missing a decent coupe and perhaps a Felicia-like roadster. I guess the time for the Skoda version of A5 is here...
85 sccutler : No one makes a 4-banger purr like Honda - sweetness, defined. Nearly everyone I know who has had a Honda, loves it - but my worst car, by far, was a
86 Geezer : The "Doc" does it again ! Only for once I agree with him hands down about Toyota being the best mfg. of "motor vehicles"; I think that's the way he pu
87 Post contains images cpd : They can be the best when they want to, but they can also build lowest common demoninator stuff too. The Lexus LF-A for example, if only a little bit
88 Post contains images tugger : This is easy: GM. Who else has the breadth of vehicle line up and the world-wide manufacturing and engineering capabilities (and they even managed to
89 JJJ : By that standard shouldn't it be VW group? VW makes everything from the little VW Fox to nuts stuff like the Bugatti/Lamborghini or Bentley and Scani
90 Superfly : My thoughts exactly. Although I am partial to Ford. Of course. I think Tugger was pointing out those members that were singling out high-end brands o
91 Post contains links and images Severnaya : Lada! То что надо. (it's all we need) To illustrate this statement, just have a good look on this video, the only car with two steering whee
92 Braybuddy : Have to agree -- if you exclude the Lexus Coupé -- and I would lump Nissan in with them as well. What is it with Japanese manufacturers and car desi
93 WildcatYXU : Yes. Absolutely. By wide margin. Even if you don't include the trucks, VW group has a car for everyone. Well, perhaps except Superfly... Are you sure
94 tugger : VW very well is in that group, but GM definitely also deserves to be in that group and be discussed as one of the best car manufacturers in the world
95 Post contains images JJJ : I'm sure Superfly wouldn't mind riding a plush comfy W12 Phaeton They're quite expensive to purchase new but drop like a ton of bricks in a few years
96 Braybuddy : I'm not as well-up on cars as I used to be, and never knew that Infiniti was by Nissan, so you're right here. I've just checked the Nissan website to
97 Post contains images Garpd : Well, I don't think there is a single "best" manufacturer. However, for the average Joe Schmuck who needs a reliable, efficient car with tastefull sty
98 Aesma : The difference I would see between VW and GM is that VW sells the same cars in Europe and the US, while GM has two completely separate ranges. So some
99 Cargolex : The 406 and the 406 coupe were really some of the best mid-size cars of the 1990s, particularly the coupe, which is still a knockout from any angle. I
100 tugger : Actually GM has several different ranges and very few cross-continent platforms. The cars made for the China are very different than what is made in
101 na : Saw a Opel Zafira taxi this week in Frankfurt with a huge sticker down the side "Nie wieder Opel!" (Opel never again). Here someone used to something
102 Flighty : Let me offer some potential candidates by decade: 1950s: GM? 1960s: GM 1970s: Mercedes-Benz 1980s: Mercedes-Benz / Toyota / Honda 1990s: Toyota / Hond
103 Post contains images Superfly : No way! That was definitely the era of Ford / Mercury / Lincoln. The Mercedes 300D was slower than a Ford Pinto, yet cost 5 times as much as a Pinto.
104 Post contains images Flighty : Supe, I enjoy a good ford, but you mention a Pinto and then nominate Ford for best automaker of the 70s??? I drove a 1979 Mustang... a 4 cylinder...
105 Superfly : I intentionally picked the worse Ford model and compared it to a car Mercedes tried to pass off as 'luxury'. Ford made some great cars in the 1970s s
106 Post contains images Flighty : The mercedes 300 diesels were much loved! The Pintos were all recycled into beer cans long before the first half of the 300D's life was up. Still hav
107 Superfly : No doubt about that. The Mercedes 300TD is a great car and all but it's not a luxury car. When new, they sold for more than what a Lincoln Town Car o
108 EA CO AS : I'm a big fan of Lexus - both my wife and I drive them and we've always loved the quality, the workmanship and the reliability. Not to mention the she
109 Cargolex : The V6 European Granada, maybe. Not the US Granada - a poor handling, slow, poorly built, rust-prone car that symbolized how slovenly American cars c
110 AGM100 : If you were facing hard economic times for the next few years ... and you wanted to pay cash for a new vehicle that you had no doubt would run and do
111 Post contains links JJJ : Merc 240D and 300D are stil the backbone of taxi fleets in countries like Morocco. http://www.worldcarfans.com/10409291...longevity-in-46-million-kilo
112 Post contains images Flight152 : Sorry to hear you paid too much for your toyota.
113 Post contains images EA CO AS : If you knew anything about Lexus, you'd know that while some of their vehicles were originally Toyota designs that have been substantially upgraded,
114 Cargolex : Actually, the majority of U.S. Lexuses were sold as Toyotas in most other markets until a few years ago, when other markets also got the Lexus brand.
115 Flighty : Of course, and the Land Cruiser is still for sale here in the 60k-75k bracket. It's a luxury car. I'd still rather have a better looking 6 cylinder m
116 Post contains links and images Flight152 : Most models are pretty thinly disguised for anyone able to see past some leather, and chrome "L". ES? Toyota Camry. LX? Toyota Landcruiser. HS Hybrid
117 Superfly : More like they were Germany's answer to the Dodge Dart, Plymouth Valiant, Ford Falcon and Chevrolet Nova. Tons of them are still on the road today, h
118 sccutler : Re: Lexus: Excellent build quality, but I still contend that the distinguishing factor which paved the road to their success was Toyota's insistence o
119 EA CO AS : The RX and IS line are among Lexus' top-sellers, and they're Lexus from the ground-up - they were never sold as Toyotas anywhere. Which simply means
120 Superfly : I'm with EA CO AS on this one. Although I prefer American luxury sedans, I do respect Lexus over all other non-US luxury makes. Being a dressed up Toy
121 Post contains links and images Cargolex : Lexus RX = Toyota Harrier, 1997-2007. Lexus IS = Toyota Altezza & Altezza Gita (aka IS SportCross), 2001-2005. Lexus ES = Toyota Camry Prominent/
122 BMI727 : Time will tell if Hyundai made a mistake by not making a different brand to sell the Genesis. Granted, the Genesis does not look a whole lot like oth
123 Post contains links and images Superfly : I did just that two years ago with the help from KevinL1011. It was a piece of cake. Well, sort of.... Not sure if you were around when this thread w
124 Cargolex : Part of the problem, I think, was exchange rates. Germany and France were really disadvantaged as far as exchange rates in the 1970s and that drove t
125 EA CO AS : Wow - didn't know that! I stand corrected.
126 BMI727 : They don't sell Azeras here anymore?
127 Post contains links PHLBOS : Oh yes, they do: http://www.hyundaiusa.com/azera/
128 flanker : Nothing beats an Audi (except B6 A4's), a classic Benz (w123, 420SEL, Grosser..etc), and the E30 M3. yep case closed.
129 Post contains links and images Superfly : Did the Volkswagen diesels cost significantly more at that time? I've heard that the diesel variants were not made in Pennsylvania. I think you meant
130 PHLBOS : I've never seen one of those before. I don't believe those were ever sold in the U.S. This first pic. looks like a squared-off, first-generation Ford
131 Superfly : Perhaps a Tempo with a Zil front & back end. That is the one I saw in The Philippines. I wanted to talk to the owner about his car at the Jolibee
132 Post contains links and images Cargolex : During the initial months of Pennsylvania operations, the diesels were still coming from Germany. But by the spring of '81, when the Rabbit Diesel I
133 Flighty : One of those models became the Equus. Koreans actually favor big cars, unlike the Japanese (according to my colleagues from there) The ~1990 model th
134 BMI727 : Not those versions. The later ones were imported as the XG350 and later Azera.
135 RayChuang : I think the Hyundai/Kia Group is about to reach #1. I mean, look at the new Hyundai Accent (and its related model, the Kia Rio). The new models that w
136 WN738 : I would have to agree, with Honda coming in a close second. The one thing I CAN say is youd never, and probably never WILL see an american car compan
137 mirrodie : Doc, I gotta ask, best according to WHAT parameters? Thats a vague question otherwise, no? I think Audis and BMWs and heck even the VW cc and Hyun Son
138 sccutler : Well hell, why not? The first-generation LS400 looked (from the front) like a Plymouth Acclaim rip-off.
139 Flighty : It's still probably the best car Toyota ever built. The Acura NSX was probably the best car Honda ever built. The 1999 Honda Insight (built on the sa
140 Post contains images Superfly : That is a beautiful car! Would look great in copper. Looks like it could have competed with the Plymouth Sapporo / Dodge Charger. Remember, those car
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