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How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name  
User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3996 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Did anyone notice on FOX news they are spelling Bin Landen's first name with a "U" (Usama)? Are they right and his name is spelled with a U? Maybe they are trying to be different? All these years everyone spelled his name with a "O" (Osama).


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Did anyone notice on FOX news they are spelling Bin Landen's first name with a "U" (Usama)? Are they right and his name is spelled with a U?

That's how he's listed on the FBI website.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

It's probably down to a different interpretation of the translation of the arab spelling to roman letters. The same goes for his last name, I've seen it spelled bin Laden & bin Ladin.

User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

I've seen someone snarkily comment that it's because it's harder to confuse Usama with Obama. Saves the newscasters the embarrassment of misreading it.


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

I read somewhere that there are north of 100 accepted English spellings of Moammar Qaddafi.

I'd assume this is related.



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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

I also noticed that, I even took a picture and posted it on facebook until one of my friends explained it to me. Well I think FOX should have used "Osama" to avoid confusion.


It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5739 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Did anyone notice on FOX news they are spelling Bin Landen's first name with a "U" (Usama)?

They've always done that.

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Maybe they are trying to be different?

Probably. Not that there's anything with that.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 2):
It's probably down to a different interpretation of the translation of the arab spelling to roman letters. The same goes for his last name, I've seen it spelled bin Laden & bin Ladin.

Exactly. The funny thing is, the "U" sound is closer to the Arabic pronunciation than the "O" is. The same thing happens with Mohammed, which can also be spelled Muhammad or Mohammad.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20351 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

The correct spelling is in Arabic. There are multiple English spellings, of which both Osama and Usama are accepted.

User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10340 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
I read somewhere that there are north of 100 accepted English spellings of Moammar Qaddafi.

Ha, my parents had the New York Times and the Boston Globe on the kitchen table a few weeks ago.

1.) The Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times.
2.) Both articles are by the SAME AUTHOR (i.e. it's the same article).

I was somewhat baffled:




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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6166 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3524 times:
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I think OBL's name is kind of like Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi in the sense that there seem to be a number of ways it is spelled, depending on the translation.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 9):
I think OBL's name is kind of like Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi in the sense that there seem to be a number of ways it is spelled, depending on the translation.

All moot at this point. We can now refer to OBL by his final name (so I presume - it's been a good 24 hours now): Shark Shit.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20351 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 8):

1.) The Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times.
2.) Both articles are by the SAME AUTHOR (i.e. it's the same article).

They probably have different editors, and since the Globe is older than its NYT ownership, it may maintain a different style book.

For example, most newspapers will refer to a subject by his or her last name: "Obama said that he has no plans to eat fried chicken tonight." The NYT always adds the appropriate honorific: "Mr. Obama said that he has no plans to eat fried chicken tonight."


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10340 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
They probably have different editors, and since the Globe is older than its NYT ownership, it may maintain a different style book.

Does the style book cover the different ways to spell Ghaddafi?

I felt like I was slowly sinking into a mire of utter semanticity when I saw those headlines.

And "semanticity" isn't even a word, far as I know.

Ah well, back to important things, like photos of airplanes.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20351 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 12):

Does the style book cover the different ways to spell Ghaddafi?

They'll have standards for transliteration of different languages. Now why they'd use different ones are beyond me.


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 12):
And "semanticity" isn't even a word, far as I know.

Semanticity (a noun);is the quality that a linguistic system has of being able to convey meanings, in particular by reference to the world of physical reality.

Not to be confused with -

Semantics (a plural noun although often used in the singular)is the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning.
The two main areas are logical semantics, concerned with matters such as sense and reference and presupposition and implication, and lexical semantics, concerned with the analysis of word meanings and relations between them.

The latter is often used in phrases like "I don't wish to argue over semantics," when a person wants to say you said or implied something other than what you actually said and meant.

I have taken the definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary.


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10340 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

Quoting Quokka (Reply 14):

Semanticity (a noun);is the quality that a linguistic system has of being able to convey meanings, in particular by reference to the world of physical reality.

Ah well, and here I thought I invented a word....

Oddly enough, that definition actually seems to fit what I was saying (or is at least close).

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):

They'll have standards for transliteration of different languages. Now why they'd use different ones are beyond me.

Gotcha, thanks.



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User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 2):
It's probably down to a different interpretation of the translation of the arab spelling to roman letters. The same goes for his last name, I've seen it spelled bin Laden & bin Ladin.

Right.

In French, we say Oussama Ben Laden ... It's just a way to approach the right pronounciation, like when we write "Beijing".


User currently offlineBA6590 From UK - England, joined Jul 2007, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 6):
Exactly. The funny thing is, the "U" sound is closer to the Arabic pronunciation than the "O" is.

Usama sounds a lot closer to Arabic pronunciation. One of my friends spells his name Oussama.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
I read somewhere that there are north of 100 accepted English spellings of Moammar Qaddafi.

There is a simple explanation for that. there are 3 Arabic letters in his name that have no true equivalent in English. M(oa)mmar (Q)a(dd)afi, you will find a lot of variation in those 3 segments of the name because of the lack of proper equivalent in the English alphabet.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3086 times:
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Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Bin Landen

Maybe you should worry more about getting right the spelling of the part of his name everyone agrees on!

I love these typos  



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3845 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

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User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

All the Osamas I know spell their name Osama (whether it's a first name or last name). Perhaps in Pakistan people there tend to use the 'u' to be more 'authentic' but Osama is the more common alternative in the Arab world.
Perhaps it all boils down to how the Saudi government first spelled it on the first passport they ever issued for OBL, which is the spelling he would have used for applying for all those residence permits in Sudan, Afghanistan and Pakistan.


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