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F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix  
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1873 times:
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With all the events of the last few days I think many have forgotten we have another GP coming up.

Noted from Autosport, In an attempt to improve the fortunes of Williams,technical director Sam Michael and chief aerodynamicist Jon Tomlinson have fallen on their swords ... er...resigned from the team and leading star of "Spygate" Mike Coughlan has been appointed chief engineer.

Maybe not the choice I would have made, MC may be a brilliant engineer but in my book he should not be allowed back in an F1 paddock.. ever.

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Thank you for opening the thread.

I am getting so fed up of constantly hearing the mediatic pounding about Osama and Obama that the upcoming Turkish Grand Prix will be a big breath of fresh air.

Can hardly wait to see them on the racing track!

I am in Florida waiting for Godot (a Space Shuttle launch that never comes) ready to wake up at wee hours in the night to watch the free practices and of course qualifying and race but these last ones will be at more decent hours on the U.S. East Coast.

I am longing to be back in Monaco with all of them there in real life.

Gawd... I really love them all F1 teams and drivers!!!!

  



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User currently onlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2608 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1735 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Noted from Autosport, In an attempt to improve the fortunes of Williams,technical director Sam Michael and chief aerodynamicist Jon Tomlinson have fallen on their swords ... er...resigned from the team and leading star of "Spygate" Mike Coughlan has been appointed chief engineer.

Oh dear ... I'd love to hear why Sam Michael has chosen to resign. It is, however, a chance to bring in fresh blood to the Williams technical department. I wonder if Patrick Head would like his old job back and step back into the hands on technical director role.

Anyway, qualifying results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2011/850/6841/

1. Sebastian Vettel 1:25.049
2. Mark Webber 1:25.454
3. Nico Rosberg 1:25.574
4. Lewis Hamilton 1:25.595
5. Fernando Alonso 1:25.851
6. Jenson Button 1:25.982
7. Vitaly Petrov 1:26.296
8. Michael Schumacher 1:26.646
9. Nick Heidfeld 1:26.659
10. Felipe Massa No time



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1723 times:
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Not a lot of interest in this thread... night have to look elswhere for F1 discussion, that would be sad!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
I'd love to hear why Sam Michael has chosen to resign.

Following might be part of the reason...
Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
technical director Sam Michael and chief aerodynamicist Jon Tomlinson have fallen on their swords

I wrote the above before I read much on the subject but have since noticed more than one journo has used the words "fallen on their swords", not claiming credit for inspiring them, more highlighting the concept has some credibility.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
I wonder if Patrick Head would like his old job back and step back into the hands on technical director role.

That may be part of the problem at Williams, it would not surprise me if Patrick Head could not give the role up completely to enough to allow Sam to do his job properly. There has certainly been evidence of second guessing the team management in recent years and it is no real secret that Head and Parr do not see eye to eye.

Plenty of other interesting things happening...

-Craig Pollock coming back as an engine supplier, interesting move for someone who in all honesty is a reasonable PR hack/driver manager.

- Ferrari trying to take over F1.... well the News/Exor buyout of CVC could be seen that way.

- Pirelli bring more durable tyres to the series... tyre performance/wear and it's effect on strategy has been a highlight of the season so the first reaction is to change that.. go figure.



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Vet again. This is getting so predictable. And walking out of the car minutes ahead of the final flag so overconfident ... and the RBR KERS mysteroiusly not working again. Oh dear.
A race or Q session without Vettel, and everything would be much more interesting. This season will look like everybody playing catch up to RBR, and they'll get wins when Vettel, or Webber make mistakes - Shanghai GP a fine example of this.
Other than that Merc finally beginning to improve, good runs from Rosberg and Schumi, decent McLarens, Ferrari their standard, Renaults also getting in.

I won't be watching the race anyway, I'll be out in the field catching some KLMs probably   far more interesting then another start to finish RBR win ;p

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Kamui had a strike of bad luck during qualifyings with his car going mechanical. I hope the Sauber team will have the car back to normal by race start time. I am positive that he can make up a lot of places with a good finish if not a good start - that is if the car is back to normal.

Red Bull doing One and Two again? Not the least suprised. Turkey could very well be another Red Bull win but we are not there yet. Anything can happen. Got the news from the horse's mouth (friend in the Sauber garage) that it is very cold down there and raining at times too so a rainy race (which I hope) could very well change everything.

Jenson and Lewis will certainly be on the watch. Not sure about Mercedes - Schumi and Nico.

I will be very happy to watch the race. It will give a breath of fresh air to this endless wait for the Space Shuttle take off down here in the Orlando area. Good thing the Shuttles will soon be retired. I would not go through this constant launch timings and date changes ever again. Safety first... this is true also. The Big Flying Machine is much faster but her engines are so awfully more complex than our little F1 speeders.

Wishing for an exciting race on the Turkish track tomorrow!!

  



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

This is going to be such a predictable season. Nice to see Mercedes improve, but Ferrari, even with their updates seem to be struggling.

  



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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Great job by Liuzzi and HRT to out qualify Glock in the Virgin, well done!


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1652 times:
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How about this from Bernie... almost sensible--

Quoting Autosport:
Bernie Ecclestone has warned teams it would be 'suicidal' for them if F1 moved to News Corp's pay-per-view channels as part of a takeover deal



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1633 times:

How was Massa's release legal. It looked to me that he was released dangerously and that he was driving on the wrong side of the double white line in the PIT lane. Is it just me or shouldn't that be a penalty?

User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1630 times:
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Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 9):
Is it just me or shouldn't that be a penalty?

Not just you, absolutely unsafe release, and racing on wrong side of blue line, should be pulled in and parked... but won't be!!

Update- Seems Massa will not be penalised because he surrendered the spot!
What a crock of s&^t, it WAS an unsafe release and racing down the slow lane IS dangerous AND irresponsible regardless of benefit gained.
More stewards with red colour blindness!

[Edited 2011-05-08 06:09:45]


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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Further more, is it legal to make Radio transmissions in any language other than english?

User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
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Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 11):
is it legal to make Radio transmissions in any language other than english?

Seems to be OK, can't find any more on transmissions than this...

Quoting 2011 Technical regulations:
8.7 Driver radio :
Other than authorised connections to the FIA ECU, any voice radio communication system between car
and pits must be stand-alone and must not transmit or receive other data. All such communications must
be open and accessible to both the FIA and, where appropriate, broadcasters.

Cheers



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Good race to the redbulls Congrats to Vettel...

I read that McLaren have a huge update ready for Spain, but if he just keeps winning, because A. Mark Webber isn't given KERS and B. because Adrian Newey is just too awesome...

I'm going to get bored. Am I the only one who's bored by Vettel? Seems like he just qualifies first and then just pulls away becasue he's got a perfect car....I can't think of a weekend where he actually had to fight for a race win.

Hamilton on the other hand...


User currently onlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2608 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
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It's been a fabulous race. Alonso v Webber, Hamilton v Button, Massa v Button, Massa v Rosberg, everyone else v Schumacher - there's just so much action in this race, how can anyone think this season is boring? It's one of the most entertaining seasons of F1 I've ever seen. DRS + KERS has been a massive success, in my opinion.

I'm also very glad that Vettel is exerting his dominance over the field, silencing his critics who said he was lucky to have won last year due to the fact that he never lead the championship at any point except the last race. Now, he's leading from the start (and hopefully to the finish). I'm loving it. I hope he seals the championship up with several races to spare.



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 11):
Further more, is it legal to make Radio transmissions in any language other than english?

On the Speed broadcast here in the US, the announcers were wondering the same thing - they didn't think it was.



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8446 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Didn't see the r,ace but it looks as if it was another walk over by vettel. Hopefully mclaren can get their act together and have a good race in Spain. Will have to try download the race from somewhere.

User currently offlinecharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 14):
It's been a fabulous race. Alonso v Webber, Hamilton v Button, Massa v Button, Massa v Rosberg, everyone else v Schumacher - there's just so much action in this race, how can anyone think this season is boring? It's one of the most entertaining seasons of F1 I've ever seen. DRS + KERS has been a massive success, in my opinion.

I quite agree, it was a very entertaining race. To add to your list I noticed that Heidfeld and Petrov had an intra-Renault battle (with Heidfeld overtaking Petrov outside of the cameras towards the end of the race), Kovalainen kept improving positions (still not close to the points but remarkable nevertheless), and the Toro Rossos/Force Indias/Williams/Saubers all having battles of their own. Yes, a lot of folks will say that Vettel's victory seems a bit "easy" and "boring" on the TV (mostly because they want their own favourite driver to win!) but we got to admit that it takes considerable skills, talent, and concentration to drive as flawlessly as he did, even more so considering that he got little seat time on Friday due to his own error in the wet.

I may be biased as I'm a Vettel fan but I respected every Schumacher victory even though I wasn't a fan simply because of his extraordinary skills.

Very entertaining race, hope that the following ones keep this momentum.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

I enjoyed watching the race. Red Bull Supremo with a One and Two as I predicted.

Hammy lost time during the third pit stop. Don't know what went wrong but it took them a long time and something happened with the lollipop man somehow. He could have finished third if not for that erratic pit stop i think.

Driver of the Day was undoubtedly Kamui. Climbed from last to 5th --at one point-- and then after his third pit stop he went from 17th finishing 10th. Not much attention is given to him, we don't see much of his whereabouts during race feeds. He managed to get one WDC point today and did better than Massa and Schumi. Would have done better without the puncture. This is no small result. I was really pleased.

Go Kamui!!!!

As expected, the teams with the most money get the best results and the most attention. Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari and Renault. Schumi is the shadow of Schumi. He should consider retirement. He now has a replacement named Sebastian Vettel.

  



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17065 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
and something happened with the lollipop man somehow



Not really. Hamilton was just too fast. He wanted to get from the pit, but the lollipop man didnt release him as Massa (or was it Alonso?) was on his way entering his pit. Fortunately Hamilton stopped, otherwise he would have collided with Massa or whoever drove the Ferrari.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 9):
How was Massa's release legal. It looked to me that he was released dangerously and that he was driving on the wrong side of the double white line in the PIT lane. Is it just me or shouldn't that be a penalty?

It wasn't illegal. Hamilton was simply driving fast, trying to leapfrog Massa in the pits. Massa saw that coming and avoided a collision.

Vettel winning again..ugh..and Schumi seems to have lost it. Massa needs to retire.



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2758 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

It was a good race indeed, very entertaining watching the little battles. I am happy that finally Ferrari managed a podium.

Clearly Red Bull are in a league of their own, so Ferrari just need to concentrate on keeping up with the McLaren´s and Merc´s

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
Not really. Hamilton was just too fast. He wanted to get from the pit, but the lollipop man didnt release him as Massa (or was it Alonso?) was on his way entering his pit. Fortunately Hamilton stopped, otherwise he would have collided with Massa or whoever drove the Ferrari
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
Hammy lost time during the third pit stop. Don't know what went wrong but it took them a long time and something happened with the lollipop man somehow

He got hold up on the 2nd stop for Massa entering the pit, and on the 3rd one, one of the wheel nuts got stuck or something.

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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 9):
How was Massa's release legal. It looked to me that he was released dangerously and that he was driving on the wrong side of the double white line in the PIT lane. Is it just me or shouldn't that be a penalty?

And I noticed Lewis Hamilton making sure to drive Massa into the standing pit-crews along the pit-lane (in a subtle way of course).

They both deserve a slap over the wrists for that kind of dangerous behaviour.


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 20):
Massa needs to retire.

Has there been any more to the rumour about Webber replacing Massa next season - or am I just behind the times and this was discussed in an earlier thread? Also discussion in our papers that Daniel Ricciardo may score a Toro Rosso seat next season - hopefully it doesn't come down to the usual sponsorship lottery which kept Webber out of F1 for so long.......


User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8446 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 23):

I was under the impression str drivers werent pay drivers but I could be wrong.


25 CXB77L : No. Hamilton did nothing wrong. He was in the 'fast' lane of the pit lane. Massa was only beside Hamilton by virtue of the Ferrari pit crew's unsafe
26 Garpd : What utter nonsense. We was in the designated lane. Massa wasn't. Massa's pit crew should not have released him with Hamilton already underway and so
27 Post contains links cpd : He was gently moving over to the left edge of the designated lane. That's just as bad as the unsafe release - and in my view, they both deserve a sla
28 stealthz : Yes we have and this is largely irrelevent, I am not saying Ferrari should be penalised because I am a Hamilton fan, (I'm not) I am saying Massa &
29 cpd : Ferrari is wrong here too - and I believe I'm going out of breath saying that, but, is it okay to deliberately drive over to the blue line area for n
30 CXB77L : ... all of which would never have happened had the unsafe release not happened in the first place. Hamilton was holding his line. It's Massa that nee
31 Post contains images Garpd :
32 Post contains images EZEIZA : Ahhh some good classic Ferrari vs. Mclaren in the threads, useless considering how they finished in the race, but still a nice dispute of the so calle
33 stealthz : Not from me... I might have mentioned the Red-Blind stewards but I would be expecting penalties for Massa's pitlane behaviour regardless of who or wh
34 EZEIZA : Massa let LH in front, no accident or incident happened, no one gained or lost a position illegaly ... nothing happened other than an awsome pit stop
35 MadameConcorde : Schumi needs to retire.
36 stealthz : An awesomely dangerous pitstop moment, just because Massa did not gain a place does not detract from the seriousness of the action. If your local hig
37 Springbok747 : Massa was in front when he was released, but Hamilton had the pit lane and was side by side with Massa. He let LH through anyway..so don't understand
38 Post contains links CXB77L : Only by virtue of the fact that Massa's pit garage was ahead of Hamilton's. Once Massa was released, when he tried to enter the pit lane Hamilton's c
39 MadameConcorde : European Court rules against Max Mosley privacy law bid Ex-motorsports boss Max Mosley has lost his European Court of Human Rights bid to force newspa
40 stealthz : Just wondering where the F1 love has gone from the Anet membership?? In what is shaping up to be one of the most interesting seasons in a long time th
41 cpd : I barely watch F1 these days. You know who is going to win each race - so why stay up late and have a horrid exhausted Monday at work.
42 stealthz : Absolutely... but the TV producers also know this... how much of Vettel did you see in the telecast of the TGP(if you had watched it!)? Most of the a
43 Garpd : With that logic, anyone caught speeding in the pit lane should be let off, so long as nothing happens. right? The race should be re-run then, as one
44 Post contains images EZEIZA : At most, the team, and not even that. F1 is dangerously becoming a sanction fest, and drivers are every day more afraid of attempting anything becaus
45 Garpd : Racing is for the track, not the pit lane. Massa & Team were reckless. A ban would be getting off lightly in my opinion.
46 EZEIZA : then ban pit stops all together and keep the cars on the track for the entire race. Pit stops have become a very important part of F1, and race resul
47 stealthz : I'm all for that, some of the best GP ever were no pitstop races. But while we have pitstops there are rules and they must be obeyed, last Sunday a s
48 cpd : Also, internet forums are slowing down quite a bit compared to a while ago.. I did watch some of the race, but I went to sleep some of the way throug
49 CXB77L : That's going to the other extreme. I agree that pit stops are very important in F1 and pit stop decisions can well define a race. But while the so-ca
50 Post contains images EZEIZA : That's where I believe we disagree the most; it didn't seem like a danger to anyone, since there was no one there. Had it been a risk, I agree someon
51 codeshare : Yes and no. Everything interesting is happening behind Vettel ;p KS/codeshare
52 EZEIZA : I agree. Last season was interesting, the previous ones as well, but this one seems to have an interest only to see if anyone can compete against Vet
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