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User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2587 times:
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Love the following commercial but.....

http://youtu.be/JyepAoMG7TA

having taken an interest in the 335D, that car actually gets 36 mpg over the 5's 32.

if fuel consumption is the premise of the commercial, I dont see how this is not more appropriate for the 335D?

Also, bmw is foreign to me. What are the major differences between both?


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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):

What are the major differences between both?

Is it not obvious?

All you need to know is here: http://www.bmwusa.com/

In a nutshell, the 3 series is their entry level sedan, the 5 the mid range, and the 7 the top of the line.

Any model that is an xxxD is a diesel.


User currently offlinesxmarbury33 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

335i FTW. But in seriousness that's good gas mileage. I never checked the mpg on the d but thats pretty impressive. Its got a boatload of tourqe too apparently. I can't speak for the 5 series but there is something that is truly intangible about the 335 that just makes it feel right. I used to chuckle when i saw the ultimate driving machine commercials but then I tried their cool aid. Ive been very well taken care of through their free maintanince program and warranty for what its worth.

If your interested you should go take one for a spin. Be careful though the power is pretty addictive. Its just on tap at the slightest touch of the pedel. I'm probably just easily amused but ive had the car for about 3 years now and it still puts a shiteating grin on my face on a good on ramp.


User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2513 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 1):
Is it not obvious?

Seriously, guy? I guess I should have asked those with experience on BMWs. Dont see any major differences to spring to a 5 over a 3, especially as the 3 are more reliable.

Quoting sxmarbury33 (Reply 2):
335i FTW.


Really? The 335i over the 335d? I'll tell you, if I go BMW, it'll be a d for sure. Read lots on that low end torque and if the 335i is great, DAMN about the 335D.



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User currently offlinesxmarbury33 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Yea no I was just kidding around. I havent driven the 335d and I dont know the stats on the cars other than 300/300 on the i. I'd have to imagine they are both a blast to drive, I just havent driven the d because i'm not in the market right now.

As to your question about the differences between the 3 and 5 series they are obviously different sizes with the 5 being larger. Having said that they gave me a 535 x drive loaner a year ago (not the newest 2011 model). In terms of driving characteristics I notice a pretty big difference and my personal preference is the 3 series. The 5 with the same engine seemed a little nutered both in power deliver/handleing and overall not as direct. I dont have a long commute though and some people value the extra space a lot more than I might. Maybe a 757/767 comparison would be appropriate? Also arent there some tax credits for the d? You might want to keep that in mind.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 3):

Seriously, guy? I guess I should have asked those with experience on BMWs

I don't see what you're getting at. The 3 and 5 series are vastly different cars. They may share engines in some versions but that's about it.

And yes I have plenty of beemer experience.


User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2406 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 5):
I don't see what you're getting at.



I've used the "compare" feature on their site and also edmunds and kbb. But was looking for real feedback by those who've driven one or the other or both for real experiences as opposed to listed differences.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2399 times:
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Well I have a 320d and the fuel economy is fantastic. The torque is great too and once you are on the move you would never know you are in a diesel, no smell or noise.

My first ever diesel, it is now almost 5 years old and just crossed 100,000 km. I love it and I don't see myself back in a petrol car anytime soon.



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User currently offlineDucatiRacer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

I've owned 3 different 3 series cars (including one M3), an X5, a 2008 550, and I currently have 1993 850ci and a 6 month old 2011 7 series (I also spent a week driving a Hertz rental 320d touring around Portugal last year). So, I think I can speak about BMWs from some experience.

To your question regarding the differences between the 3 and 5, the answer given by Fy2HMO above, although somewhat sarcastic, was pretty much right on. Prior to the introduction of the new 5 series last year, I would have said that the 5 felt much more related to the 3 than the 7. The new 5, however, shares its platform and much of its running gear with the new 7 series. As a result, the 5 is now a significantly larger and more comfortable car than the 3 series, and as Fly2 said, they are now vastly different. Somewhere in the update a lot of the former sporting nature of the 5 has been dulled by its increase in size and weight (although it still handles and performs in a much sportier manner than its competitors from Mercedes and Lexus in my opinion based on having driven a new 535i, an E350 and a GS350 back to back on an autocross track last summer). On the bright side, the 5 is now really an eight tenths 7 series. So, for a substantial discount from the price of a 7, you can drive the 5 and not feel like you are giving up much to the 7. The new relationship between the 5 and 7 has also allowed the 5 to be equipped with luxuries formerly exclusive to the 7, which are not available at any price on a US spec 3 series (things such as dynamic/adjustable suspension, heads-up display, night vision, adaptive cruise, soft close doors, power trunk lid, ventilated seats, and so forth). Additionally, the 5 series now uses a new 8 speed automatic, while I believe the 3 still carries on with the older 6 speed. So, while the turbo gasoline motor may be the shared by the 335i and 535i, the entire drive train is not. Of course, I think the biggest difference for your consideration is the fact that there is not currently a 5 series with a diesel available in the US. So, if you have your heart set on an oil burner, you can have a 3 series or an X5.

One thing to note, the current 3 series is in its twilight years and is scheduled to be replaced, I believe for model year 2013. From what I have seen in the BMWCCA magazine, the new 3 will also grow larger and look much like the new 5. I'm guessing that means it will be heavier as well.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 6):
But was looking for real feedback by those who've driven one or the other or both for real experiences as opposed to listed differences.

Oh gotcha.

I don't have too much hands on time with a 5, but you can think of it as a softer, larger, heavier, perhaps more mature version of the 3. DucatiRacer is spot on.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

I have experience on the previous models 5 and 3, and Z. Specifically the Z3 2.3 (Which is actually a 2.5), the 330Ci Convertible, and the 540i Sport (Manual). I have also driven my dad's 850ci which housed a 12-Cylinder 5.0 liter engine. I can tell you that the 540 is much heavier, but the 1L gain in engine and extra 2 cylinders made it a helluva lot more fun to drive. Very silky power, and very high on torque. The 3 series had a much lighter feel, without the massive growl, though it didn't necessarily have that much less horsepower, and had very similar power/weight ratios. I wished they had made an 8 cylinder non-M on the 3 when I had mine. The Z3, well, that's really out of the league of what you are talking about. The 850Ci, had the cockpit set up of a fighter jet, especially on the drivers side. It seemed to essentially be a 2 door 5 series, however with a touch more power and a completely different look. In other words, they felt similar to me.

On a side note, as you increase the price in car, the less the average owner cares about 2-5 miles in fuel consumption.

UAL


User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
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Quoting DucatiRacer (Reply 8):
So, I think I can speak about BMWs from some experience.

Wow, you've certainly risen to the occasion. Thanks, that was what I was hoping for, some hands-on fed knowledge.

Quoting sxmarbury33 (Reply 4):
Maybe a 757/767 comparison would be appropriate?

I'm digging that analogy.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 10):
as you increase the price in car, the less the average owner cares about 2-5 miles in fuel consumption.

And also, the less they care about paying premium fuel or diesel priced fuel. I can't say fuel consumption is my TOP priority. Tops is reliability.

But thanks for the feedback. The question really only came to mind upon seeing that commercial. Its just that,

IMHO the commercial whose premise is fuel consumption, does not highlight some of the more truly efficient cars that the company carries.



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User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
having taken an interest in the 335D, that car actually gets 36 mpg over the 5's 32.

You do realise that the 335D has got the 286 hp M57D30TÜ2 engine from 2006 and the 535D the 306 hp N57D30TOP engine from 2009? Don’t get me wrong, the M57 is an amazing engine, but the difference is there.  


User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Quoting aero145 (Reply 12):
306 hp

pardon me, 299 hp – 306 hp is the higher rating for the 740d


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