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The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio  
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11573 posts, RR: 52
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/2...N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3RoZXJpZ2h0LXdpbg--


Read the article: the market for angry old white men parrotting talking points is literally dying off, while straight talkers like Michael Smerconish are enjoying a boom time.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
dying off,

Literally. The reason Rush is losing listeners is that they are dying. He has been around so long. The people that have been with him have either passed or are so old they lost their hearing. Doesn't mean he is dead. Angry white people are not his whole audience I listen to him and I am far from far right.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8966 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):

Literally. The reason Rush is losing listeners is that they are dying.

(Insert sound of buzzer)

WRONG!

http://www.quantcast.com/rushlimbaugh.com

These stats show that Rush's audience is some 20-30% larger today than it was 2 years ago. It's down from the peak in 2009, but higher than what it was before.

Naturally his numbers will be down about now - It's only been 6 months since the last mid-terms and people just aren't ready for a lot of partisanship. That's why I haven't listened to him in months. That's why I look at these people starting the 2012 campaigns and say to myself, "Oh, shit here we go again"



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

I didn't see any real proof in the article but hey it must be true. Lots of factors play into it but its all good as long as whitey shuts the hell up. Not to mention the new generations of the public education kids , they know who Rosa Parks and Al Gore are but never heard of James Madison or John Glenn. They know all about slavery but have never even heard of Luis and Clark or can point out Viet Nam on a map. Don't believe me? ... you should , I see it everyday. Our kids are being programmed to hate the US and the white imperialists... and it is working.

Like Nanny Pelosi say's ..." we need elections to not really matter that much "... just one big happy family living on dirt and lining up at the troff of the elite . So who is going to replace whitey old guy ?... a bunch of government employees ? , windmill watchers? and Walmart stockers ? Better be careful what you wish for .



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20347 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
Not to mention the new generations of the public education kids , they know who Rosa Parks and Al Gore are but never heard of James Madison or John Glenn.

Source?

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
They know all about slavery but have never even heard of Luis and Clark or can point out Viet Nam on a map.

Source?

P.S. It's LEWIS and Clark. I'm normally not a pedant for others' spelling and grammar, but if you're going to knock education and the fact that kids "don't know stuff these days" then I do expect you to know how to spell it.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
Don't believe me?

No, sir. I do not.

[Edited 2011-05-13 12:14:22]

User currently offlineFingerLakerAv8r From United States of America, joined May 2011, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

I am a registered Democrat and I have to say Conservative talk radio may be "dying out" but it will never go away and frankly it shouldn't. I may not agree with my conservative friends but I will listen to their POV to fully understand the subject at hand. That's one problem we have. You listen to one side of the argument but not the other. So how can you make a informed decision when you eliminate the other half?

I think people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly are nearing the end or their runs. They will most certainly be replaced with others who share their ideas and beliefs.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11573 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 5):
I may not agree with my conservative friends but I will listen to their POV to fully understand the subject at hand.

When they talk to me, I listen. When they yell at me, or try to delegitimize me, I don't. Smerconish gets this right - I disagree with him sometimes, but I know he respects those who disagree with him. You won't hear mocking, you won't hear sensationalizing, and you won't hear parroting the party line from him. That's why he's growing, and Beck is going off the air.



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User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
...and I am far from far right.

Oh boy! I plan to quote you early and often.

"I am far from right."

 


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Source?



Do you have 3 kids in the school system ? Do you ever follow up on their assignments and look at their text books? . We all cant wait for black history month to come around again ... its outrageous programming.



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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Quote:
Don't believe me?

No, don't believe you. At all. Just because your kids don't know where Vietnam is on a map or don't know who Lewis & Clark are doesn't mean all kids don't. And apparently you don't know much about them either, since you called them Luis and Clark.

Quote:
.. just one big happy family living on dirt and lining up at the troff of the elite .

Really a disgusting, inappropriate, utterly wrong, and ugly statement.

Quote:
Do you ever follow up on their assignments and look at their text books? . We all cant wait for black history month to come around again ... its outrageous programming.

I'd like for you to provide us a specific example of what you consider "programming" that's sourced from something your own children did during February. It's only been three months, it shouldn't be that hard. I'd like to see what you're talking about, since you are saying that you see "programming" in it.

If you're going to make yet more allegations (you're always throwing around Communism), you need to back them up.




Now as for "the end being near" for Conservative Talk Radio, I don't see that happening. It'll always be there. It may ebb and flow, but I think they'll always be conservative talk radio, and there should be. I don't like what conservative talk radio hosts have to say - in fact, I find many of their views absolutely abhorrent. But the fact that they are there reassures me that there is room for all points of view including my own.

[Edited 2011-05-13 14:04:37]

User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
I am far from far right

Nick, that may be the funniest thing I've ever seen you post here... 



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 10):
Nick, that may be the funniest thing I've ever seen you post here...

Especially since you pigeonhole me as a far right nut since I don't agree with your views. That actually was a typo I meant to say far right but if you took the time to know all my views I am probably closer to the center than you are.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Read the article: the market for angry old white men parrotting talking points is literally dying off, while straight talkers like Michael Smerconish are enjoying a boom time.


Do you really think you would get the truth about conservative talk radio ratings from a liberal (progressive/left wing) web site?

If you watch MSNBC and they will tell you how they are killing FOX in the ratings too.

As for Michael Smerconish's his ratings were so bad here in Atlanta that he was replaced with a locally produced program.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
Do you really think you would get the truth about conservative talk radio ratings from a liberal (progressive/left wing) web site?

If you watch MSNBC and they will tell you how they are killing FOX in the ratings too.

As for Michael Smerconish's his ratings were so bad here in Atlanta that he was replaced with a locally produced program.

I doubt he will be passing Savage or Limbaugh pretty soon. This thread is just a form of frustration about the failure of the fairness Doctrine and the clinging to the hope that the big names that liven up the voting base will somehow go under. Beck was really not a heavy hitter. He never had the staying power Rush has. Doesn't mean all of right leaning talk radio is coming to an end.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
Do you really think you would get the truth about conservative talk radio ratings from a liberal (progressive/left wing) web site?

No, but while DLX always spouts off about how he is middle of the road he always brings these types of "unbiased" stories...

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
If you watch MSNBC and they will tell you how they are killing FOX in the ratings too.

Yep. And DLX believes it too.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
As for Michael Smerconish's his ratings were so bad here in Atlanta that he was replaced with a locally produced program.

Michael who? Never heard of the guy but according to some, he's just about ready to knock off Rush as the ratings leader...



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2070 times:

Several factors may be affecting Conservative talk radio apparent decline in ratings and interest.

How many people listen to radio anymore? With everyone with an i-Pod they can plug into their car sound system or listen to at work or listening to commercial free Satellite radio, using a 'smart phone' for entertainment rather than talk radio, the ratings are going down due to the growing options available.

Sometimes people get tired of a form or theme of entertainment. Hearing the same themes time after time again, listeners get bored, they tune out or go elsewhere. Just like listening to the same radio station every day, you will hear over the weeks the same 1000 songs over and over in a loop, you will hear their same areas of discussion as well.

Many of these conservative talkers just bash or give simplistic ideas rather than real workable ideas and alternatives. Listeners get tired of frustrated anger, they want to hear real solutions.

Many may agree with them on some issues like tax cuts or cutting government spending, but turn against them because they bash Gays/Lesbians, or Muslims or women or teachers in offensive ways. They may have a family member, co-workers or friends who are of the groups they often bash and feel uncomfortable when their comments so turn them out after a while.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11573 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
Do you really think you would get the truth about conservative talk radio ratings from a liberal (progressive/left wing) web site?

I don't see you bringing any facts to the table to contradict this.

So where does that leave you?

All I did was bring an article to discussion. Without being able to refute it, you resort to claiming it must be false because (get this!) yahoo is liberal. Come on man.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 14):
No, but while DLX always spouts off about how he is middle of the road he always brings these types of "unbiased" stories...

False. I do not claim to be middle of the road. I claim to be extremely opinionated, but my opinions fall on either side of the political spectrum. It's called using my brain.  


Anyway, I hope you both realize that neither of you actually responded to the article. What say you?

[Edited 2011-05-13 19:09:50]


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Ah yes! The end of the infidel conservative right-wing idiotic stupid pea-brained moronic anti-choice backwoods inbred redneck southern bumpkin middle school dropout nutjob propaganda communication is at hand!!



 

Interesting rebuttal from Dan Riehl:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carniv...ight-wing-talk-dead-but-is-it.html



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 5):
I may not agree with my conservative friends but I will listen to their POV to fully understand the subject at hand. That's one problem we have. You listen to one side of the argument but not the other. So how can you make a informed decision when you eliminate the other half?

That is the problem with conservative talk radio: Those who listen to it are not willing to listen to any other opinions. Talk of bringing back the fairness doctrine has the right up in arms. Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me: get people to listen to both sides of an argument, then they can make an informed decision. Unlike now where people listen to the right-wing and say "that is how I am going to vote because the talking heads say the left is a bunch of idiots." Well, that is how I feel about the right-wing. No choice in listening to any other opinion becuse if you do, you are an idiot, un-American and should be shouted down with moral indignation.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
That is the problem with conservative talk radio: Those who listen to it are not willing to listen to any other opinions.

Then how do I listen to Rush and then vote for a Dem in the NY election? This is such bunk. Rush's audience probably has just as many indies as people who fly the confederate flag yet you can't admit it.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Talk of bringing back the fairness doctrine has the right up in arms

Why it will never happen.


User currently offlineFingerLakerAv8r From United States of America, joined May 2011, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Those who listen to it are not willing to listen to any other opinions

For the most part I won't disagree with you.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
No choice in listening to any other opinion becuse if you do, you are an idiot, un-American and should be shouted down with moral indignation.

That's where I make sure I have all the information and all the facts in line. (Speech and Debate really did pay off in high school lol) Nothing deflates a blow hard by making them expode and fall because of too much hot air. Let them scream and yell and call me unamerican. I dissent because I believe opposing viewpoints are not only the fabric of our society but what made us who we are as a nation. And hell yes... I will debate until the end of time but I will make sure I am educated on the subject matter at hand. Mind you I may be a liberal in belief but theres a few out there who are no better than their conservative brethren.


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Read the article:

I did, perhaps a little broadcasting 101 is in order. Where is your guy Smerconish in terms of what really counts...revenue? Trust me, for every 10 crackheads listening to the local hip hop station there is one affluent person of the same age listening to talk radio and advertisers know that that that one affluent person will actually buy the products that they advertise on talk radio. Now look at markets. How many top 10 markets is Smerconish in compared to Limbaugh or Beck, or Hannity? I think your links author is very very premature in his assumptions. There is a reason that Imus is still on the air, he brings in the cash.

As to his touting the switch of the radio station, KVI is a 5000 watt (day time) class B AM station. Limbaugh left and went KTTH a 50,000 watt (day and night) class A clear channel station. Which one do you think broadcasts farther in the market?

Quoting D L X (Reply 6):
and Beck is going off the air.

Beck is leaving Fox but not his radio show. This is where your link mixes fruit. He mentions Beck and Olberman leaving but fails to make it clear he is now talking about television and not radio.

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
I don't see you bringing any facts to the table to contradict this.

The article that JBirdAVAr linked does all of that and more.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 17):
Interesting rebuttal from Dan Riehl:

Thanks for posting that. I was looking at an hour or more of research and linking and you saved me the time.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Talk of bringing back the fairness doctrine has the right up in arms.

As it should. That is paramount to censorship.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me: get people to listen to both sides of an argument,

Liberal talk show hosts have aired before, and failed miserably in an open and free market of ideas.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
I didn't see any real proof in the article but hey it must be true. Lots of factors play into it but its all good as long as whitey shuts the hell up. Not to mention the new generations of the public education kids , they know who Rosa Parks and Al Gore are but never heard of James Madison or John Glenn. They know all about slavery but have never even heard of Luis and Clark or can point out Viet Nam on a map. Don't believe me? ... you should , I see it everyday. Our kids are being programmed to hate the US and the white imperialists... and it is working.

All are part of American history and IMO its better to highlight the dark stuff vs the brilliant accomplishments so the kids of today know where their country has gone wrong. But yes all of it should be taught.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 21):
Liberal talk show hosts have aired before, and failed miserably in an open and free market of ideas.

Look at the history: Small market radio stations were bought by large corporations back in the 1990s. On those small market stations were aired right-wing talk radio. IIRC, not left-wing or opposing views, but right-wing talk radio. Not by choice. Not because "the people" demanded it, but because large corporations decided to air right-wing talk radio. Flash forward to 2011 and right-wing talk radio is everywhere save a handful of stations in large markets. Now right-wingers say with much confidence that left wing talk radio will never succeed. Why? Because people that listen to talk radio come to expect right-wing views.

Quoting dxing (Reply 21):
As it should. That is paramount to censorship.

Kinda like what is going on now. If getting opposing views out is so important (as it was from 2008-2010) why, then, can't left-wing views be imposed on people?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Rush's audience probably has just as many indies as people who fly the confederate flag yet you can't admit it.

I am not narrowing it down to just one guy. I am talking about right-wing radio and MSM in general. I listen to Rush simply to hear the half-truths, outright lies, and talking points of the right. It makes no difference, anyway. As I have come to learn from the right, if Hannity, Rush, Beck, Coulter, FOX, Palin, et al. say it, it must be true.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
I am not narrowing it down to just one guy

No just one group of people which was horribly off base.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
I listen to Rush simply to hear the half-truths, outright lies, and talking points of the right.

As do I listen to Maddow, O'Donnell and Schultz. What does that matter?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
if Hannity, Rush, Beck, Coulter, FOX, Palin, et al. say it, it must be true.

As it isn't with Maddow, O'Donnell or Schultz. These are all people with an agenda. That agenda is to win elections and to sway opinion. Though from time to to time when I listen to Rush or Savage I do get how they truly feel and I agree wtih their view for a country with smaller government and less spending. Where Maddow and Schultz want a country with huge government control of our day to dat lives which is not what this country is about. All the social issue and name calling is just fluff desgined for effect.


25 AGM100 : Please give me a example of one of these .... When I listen to liberal radio hosts like A Colmes , Steph Miller , Shultz .... I cant say they are lyi
26 Post contains images NIKV69 : Shhh, it's not illegal, It's "undocumented" I love this talking point the most. It almost insinuates that the US is at fault for not documenting them
27 seb146 : I have NEVER EVER heard ANY left wing talking person say this. I have heard them say we need to secure the borders and we need to do something about
28 NIKV69 : Oh come on. You are being a little disigenius here. The pro left has been all for amnesty and sanctuary cities. I don't understand how you can say on
29 BAKJet : Is your wife a teacher? Do you help her plan lessons? (mine is) I have seen the assignments and the text books and they most definitely do include st
30 AGM100 : Really ? And you may be right ...they don't say it just like that . They are against enforcement and support sanctuary cities .... so they can have i
31 dxing : No, they say that because anywhere it has been tried in a network situation, it ends up with few affiliates and even less local ad revenue, because n
32 Post contains images OA412 : What makes much of coservative talk-radio unappealing and off-putting is their MO. Yell, belittle, accuse, lie, etc. If this means more rational conse
33 D L X : Meanwhile back at the ranch... we were talking about how the traditional conservative talk radio audience is shrinking. What say you, AGM?
34 474218 : For some reason I can't post the link but if you do a search for Talkers Magazine (a non-partisan industry publication) April 2011 "Top Talk Radio Au
35 BAKJet : If the 6th graders at the school that your children attend do not know who Lewis and Clark, Neil Armstrong and General Eisenhower, then that school i
36 Post contains images D L X : Exactly. Oh, I'm not saying that Smerconish is about to knock Limbaugh off, and neither is the article. It's saying that the number of people listeni
37 474218 : So if Limbaugh had 13.5 million listeners in 2005 and 15.0 million in 2011 who lost listeners?
38 Arrow : Thanks for my laugh of the day. Glad to know your kids learn about Lewis and Clark. I hope they also learn that Alexander Mackenzie beat them to the
39 D L X : Your use of selective stats is striking. from the article: Rush’s ranking has declined decisively over the past five years among advertisers’ cov
40 dxing : And I would agree with you. Rush's numbers fluctuate with the election cycle. 2006 was a big year for him as was 2008 and 2010. I expect 2012 to be a
41 AGM100 : Im not worried ... simply because it is a choice of the people . If they don't want to listen anymore then that is the way the market goes , the prov
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