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Christians Disrupt Peaceful Same-sex Rally  
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

A gay and lesbian rally against homophobia in Adelaide has ended in violence after it was crashed by Christian protesters, with one person being removed by police. 200 people gathered outside parliament during an initially peaceful rally for the International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia in Adelaide, Australia today before members of the Adelaide Street Church showed up waving their “God hates sinners” banner, getting in people’s faces, yelling loudly, and (according to two people) pushing a woman out of her wheelchair.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...christians-clash-at-adelaide-rally

Absolutely disgusting. Attacking disabled people..looks like these 'christians' have shown their true colours. Maybe people should stand outside churches during their Sunday gatherings and shout stuff back at them.
More proof that organized religion is crap..it continues to corrupt and infect this world especially with MORE hatred violence and anger.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Absolutely disgusting. Attacking disabled people..looks like these 'christians' have shown their true colours. Maybe people should stand outside churches during their Sunday gatherings and shout stuff back at them.
More proof that organized religion is crap..it continues to corrupt and infect this world especially with MORE hatred violence and anger
http://www.conservapedia.com/Hamilton_Square_Baptist_Church_Riot

http://www.conservapedia.com/Militant_gays

This is hardly something exclusive and the other side has shown just as much hatred and intolerance. So?


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Conservapedia? You might as well quote the Landover Baptist Church.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
This is hardly something exclusive and the other side has shown just as much hatred and intolerance. So?

I beg to differ.

[Edited 2011-05-15 02:13:22]


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User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):

Seriously? Conservapedia? Be honest. Are you just trolling the OP or did you actually post that link believing it to be legitimate source?


User currently offlinejessbp From UK - Wales, joined Dec 2010, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

It's always sad when I read that some religious group feels it has the right to persecute others. Two things I've never understood though are:

1. Why Christians feel the need to interfere in someone elses life. For instance a christian or Jew or muslim living down the road has no impact on my life, nor I on theirs.

2. We're always told that religions offer love, and yet there's some much hated involved in some areas. To me it seems people get caught up in the words of the bible, but not the message.

Times will change, I truely believe that.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2140 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Attacking disabled people

In the article:

Quote:
"Rally organiser Jason Virgo said one woman was pushed out of her wheelchair and police had to be called."

Way to editorialise ... One woman was pushed out of her wheelchair. But by whom? Article didn't say.

Quote:
"A small number of right-wing Christians came out and started waving their flags and getting in people's faces, yelling quite loudly, some of them got in a bit of a fight," Mr Virgo told AAP."

So who started the violence?

Quote:
"(They had) signs saying 'God hates sinners' ... no sign should say 'God hates'."

That I agree. Either he misread the signs, or those people aren't Christians at all. If they were, they'd know that God doesn't hate sinners. He hates sin. There's a difference.

Quote:
"A large portion of the sitting crowd of gays aggressively began to push, harangue, curse and threaten the Christian preachers."

I say again, who started the violence? One person's word against another's.

I don't condone the disruption of a peaceful rally, but I also don't condone biased editorialising that only looked at one side of the story, taking one person's word over another without a full investigation.

[Edited 2011-05-15 02:48:29]


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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):

Conservapedia? Really? C'mon Nick..now you're just trolling.

Back to the original story..its sad that people can't even ask for basic rights as human beings, just because they're 'different'. And these religious extremist a-holes can't seem to STFU and get their own house in order before preaching their shit to others.

The crazies seem to be out in full force today though.....the Australian Defence League had a protest today in Fed Square (Melbourne) against Sharia Law and Halal meat and other pathetic things. They took direct issue with being ordered around by an Asian police officer as well...bunch of f-wits.



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting NZ767 (Reply 1):
Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
More proof that organized religion is crap..it continues to corrupt and infect this world especially with MORE hatred violence and anger.

Totally agree with you Springbok.

+1

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):

This is hardly something exclusive and the other side has shown just as much hatred and intolerance. So?

Just as much? I think you would have to try pretty hard to argue that devout religious people suffer the same intolerance that many homosexuals do frequently (with the possible exception of migrant religions that are a minority in a location, but this is a completely different type of bigotry). Shouted abuse on the street? Unprovoked assault? And those are only in the more tolerant nations.

Yes, there have been instances of intolerance from the other side, but when you are on the outside looking in as many homosexuals may feel themselves to be, I think you are more likely to want to be accepted rather than to force someone else out. That would solve nothing.


User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 4):

Seriously? Conservapedia? Be honest. Are you just trolling the OP or did you actually post that link believing it to be legitimate source?

I enjoy the

"Examples of morally offensive, anti-American behavior"

section heading..



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2090 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 7):
the Australian Defence League had a protest today in Fed Square (Melbourne) against Sharia Law

I would support that protest against Sharia Law.

Quoting GST (Reply 8):
I think you would have to try pretty hard to argue that devout religious people suffer the same intolerance that many homosexuals do frequently

So the Christians being attacked in places like Pakistan and Egypt aren't suffering from intolerance? Or the Muslims that get discriminated against in some countries aren't suffering from intolerance?

There are instances of intolerance against every sub-group, and every religion. Homosexuals don't get it any worse than other people.



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3466 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2058 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
http://www.conservapedia.com/Hamilton_Square_Baptist_Church_Riot


I get this when trying to open
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You don't have permission to access /Hamilton_Square_Baptist_Church_Riot on this server.
Hmmmm maybe because i am from KSA.  
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
http://www.conservapedia.com/Militant_gays


This one the same.
You don't have permission to access /Militant_gays on this server.



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User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 10):
Homosexuals don't get it any worse than other people.

You had me agreeing with you up until this point. First, the statement itself is a rationalization. That "homosexuals don't get it any worse than other people" seems beside the point. What's the point in saying that? Are you saying it to justify the persecution of homosexuals? It's okay because "other people" get abused too?

Second, it's false. The notion that Christians, worldwide, are persecuted as much for being Christians as homosexuals are persecuted for being homosexuals is simply false.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 10):
I would support that protest against Sharia Law.

Dude..really...not like Sharia Law is going to be implemented in this country anytime soon. Those nutjobs were also protesting against Halal meat being sold in supermarkets and accusing all Muslims in this country of being terrorists and trying to takeover the country.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 10):
Homosexuals don't get it any worse than other people.

Actually..they do. There are so many countries where homosexuality is punishable by death.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2041 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
More proof that organized religion is crap..

And that comment is more proof, unfortunately, that people think it fine to harbor prejudices based on the actions of a minority of idiots. A sad way to react to undeniably disgraceful actions by those in the article.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
And that comment is more proof, unfortunately, that people think it fine to harbor prejudices based on the actions of a minority of idiots.

Dunno about you, but the majority of Christians (insert any other religion here) I've come across harbor similar views to those exhibited by members of that church, especially with regards to homosexuality and same-sex marriage.

And yes. I do stand by my comment that organized religion (not just Christianity) is not doing any favors to humanity by spreading hate and intolerance. Most of the problems on Earth today are due to religion.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2004 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
Most of the problems on Earth today are due to religion.

That is a hell of a statement to justify, and one which I doubt could ever be evidenced to a significant degree of satisfaction, let alone proven.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
but the majority of Christians (insert any other religion here) I've come across harbor similar views to those exhibited by members of that church, especially with regards to homosexuality and same-sex marriage.

The vast majority of Christians I know have love and tolerance at the fore of their behaviour and thinking, and would not behave in the manner described in the news item, and do not go around spreading any kind of hate. I see no reason to insult them, or express or incite prejudice against them, just because these idiots behaved badly.



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User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
Most of the problems on Earth today are due to religion.

Very nearly, most of the problems on earth are due to people who call themselves religious. Anybody can do that, and as we know, many do!

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 16):
evidenced to a significant degree of satisfaction, let alone proven.

Ah......a bit like God and religion then...


User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
Most of the problems on Earth today are due to religion.

Strong statement Springbok, and I do believe I understand how you could reach such conclusion. However, I disagree. Religion itself is not the problem but rather the distorted interpretations made by fanatics. Imagine you how the world would be if you would simply eliminate the foundings of the moral oriention that guides so many peoples.

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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3003 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
'christians'

These people are not Christians. Jesus's 2nd commandment to "Love your neighbour as yourself" shows this. I'm Christian, and straight, and have no issue with same-sex couples - how do they impact me? If anything, I support their right to protest homophobia. The instigators of this disruption need arresting.

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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1968 times:
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Quoting mbmbos (Reply 12):
What's the point in saying that?

Only as a counter to the assertion that religious people don't suffer the same intolerances that many homosexuals frequently do. I'm most certainly not using it as justification for persecution against homosexuals, but I disagree that they get it any worse than other minority groups elsewhere.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 13):
Actually..they do. There are so many countries where homosexuality is punishable by death.

There are also many countries in which the belief of any other religion other than the state sanctioned religion is illegal.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 16):
The vast majority of Christians I know have love and tolerance at the fore of their behaviour and thinking, and would not behave in the manner described in the news item, and do not go around spreading any kind of hate. I see no reason to insult them, or express or incite prejudice against them, just because these idiots behaved badly.

  



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 10):

So the Christians being attacked in places like Pakistan and Egypt aren't suffering from intolerance? Or the Muslims that get discriminated against in some countries aren't suffering from intolerance?

I did make an exception for religions in a minority in a given region, and also made clear that this was a different form of discrimination so I suggest should be weened out of this thread.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 10):


There are instances of intolerance against every sub-group, and every religion. Homosexuals don't get it any worse than other people.

Not so, any minority gets picked on from time to time, the difference is that most groups have heartlands somewhere, homosexuals are a minority in every society. That's just the biology of our species.


User currently offlineFingerLakerAv8r From United States of America, joined May 2011, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

The fear of homosexuality is beyond mind boggling. What ever you do in your own home or in private with a consenting adult is none of anyone else's business. God should never be involved in affairs in the bedroom heterosexual or homosexual.

As for religion my grandmother always used to say keep your god and your beliefs to yourself. What ever relationship you have with your personal savior is between you and said savior.

In an ironic side note an article came out yesterday that Wisconson Republican's are bank rolling activists in New York to legalize same sex marriage.


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2722 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 13):
Dude..really...not like Sharia Law is going to be implemented in this country anytime soon.



We said the same thing here and we already have judges making rulings based on it.

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Absolutely disgusting. Attacking disabled people..looks like these 'christians' have shown their true colours. Maybe people should stand outside churches during their Sunday gatherings and shout stuff back at them.
More proof that organized religion is crap..it continues to corrupt and infect this world especially with MORE hatred violence and anger.



The article does not state who started the scuffles and says nothing about the disabled person being attacked. As for the religion your intolerance to it shows the bigotry and phobias can go both ways. Your reaction puts you in the same group you are condemning

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
Dunno about you, but the majority of Christians (insert any other religion here) I've come across harbor similar views to those exhibited by members of that church, especially with regards to homosexuality and same-sex marriage.



Are they not allowed that opinion? Because they do not agree with yo they have to have a Phobia?

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
Most of the problems on Earth today are due to religion.



Nice phobia you have.

Quoting signol (Reply 19):
I support their right to protest homophobia.



As then you should support the right of the protesters against them.

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 22):
The fear of homosexuality is beyond mind boggling



Who says they have a fear of them? How is not agreeing with it a phobia? Do I then have a phobia of liberals? Libphobia?

If you do not agree or like homosexuality you are a homophobe. Do not agree with illegal aliens you are a racist. The left has all bases covered when it comes to labeleing and stereotyping people for not agreeing with them..The labeling of people with something negative for not agreeing with you or your position is getting old.



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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3003 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 23):
As then you should support the right of the protesters against them

Sure they too have a right to peaceful protest, as has any group, whatever their protest point.
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/331.html
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire
What they do not have is the right to violently disrupt the 1st protest.

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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting signol (Reply 24):
What they do not have is the right to violently disrupt the 1st protest.

I've not seen anything to see who actually instigated the violence.

The protesters got their signs wrong. God doesn't hate sinners. He hates the sin, and loves the sinners. All of them. That's Christianity 101.



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25 Post contains links 474218 : The problem is some people think things like this in the video will actually change people's opinions? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZJvMzSKmKA
26 photopilot : Glad to see that someone actually READ the article, took away the rhetoric of the inflammatory OP's editorializing and realized that nowhere does it
27 Post contains links NIKV69 : Oh please. Take 5 mins of your time and use google. There have been many protests in SF when Catholic church services have been disrupted by these nu
28 Post contains links Cargolex : No, it generally does not. There is FAR more hatred for gays and lesbians coming from religious zealots than the other way around, and you'd have to
29 FingerLakerAv8r : Perhaps I should have been more specific in that phrase. I'm not saying the group in question is afraid of them it was more of a generalized statemen
30 Post contains images NIKV69 : Well of course I must believe it since I used it as a source right? I found another source with the same info. I know you will say the same about FOX
31 Cargolex : I just want to clarify here, are you saying you specifically don't believe something you used as a source to support your argument? For the record, I
32 DocLightning : "Religion of Peace" my left gonad. There are too many things wrong with that sentence to count. I could wrath and say that I hate all Christians, just
33 czbbflier : It seems to me that we're getting an awfully long way off topic. There are extremists in both camps and radicalized homosexuality has been around long
34 Post contains links san747 : Why is this always the first thing brought up?? How does the fact that the "other side" shows intolerance make "your side" showing intolerance ok? I'
35 DocLightning : I'm sorry, but I'm not aware of a "radicalized homosexual agenda." The only "agenda" I know of is "leave us the hell alone and stop trying to pass la
36 Aaron747 : Sorry, but you can't "not agree with" something that is otherwise totally natural. That's like saying you "don't agree with" a cloudy day or ants sei
37 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Did the opposite for me. Way to make an ignorant generalization. I'm Christian and I disagree with their actions. I only wonder how great the world w
38 photopilot : I always laugh when the Loving v Virginia case is cited as something relevant to the homo marriage issue. The homos cite a case of a man marrying a w
39 n229nw : Did you laugh at Mildred Loving herself, who before her death said she believed the principles of her case should be extended to include gay marriage
40 Aaron747 : Except that's what it is, with every fiber of the meaning society bestows on the legal codification of a committed relationship. It can mean whatever
41 photopilot : Well, I'm only following YOUR agenda. If the homos insist on calling anybody that objects or disagree's with them a "homophobe" how can you possibly
42 n229nw : My agenda? I'm not even gay. I believe in equal rights. I guess that is "my agenda." And you can't possibly be seriously trying to say that you aren't
43 UAL747 : Are you kidding me? The term "Homo" is often used as a derogatory term by predominantly straight men towards gay men, in order to belittle them. In f
44 HOONS90 : That's like saying "Jap" isn't an offensive term because it's part of the word Japanese. I thought you were irreligious anyways (looking at your post
45 Post contains links einsteinboricua : This reminds me so much of this little page. Are you sure they aren't part of the same project? Not to be rude, but are you sure that's the way they
46 DocLightning : Because they are. Your use of the term "homo brigade" belies you as a bigot. But bigotry is like alcoholism, denial is a huge part of it. Disgusting.
47 NIKV69 : I never said it made it ok. It's just these threads are made to make one party look like the ones with a lonney fringe when we all know it's far from
48 czbbflier : I suspected that my post, trying to move from positions to interests was going to evoke a few strong reactions and that is OK. However, I am nonethele
49 TheCol : That's crossing the line. I take that personally, and I'm sure other religious members would too. I honestly don't see a difference between the anti-
50 Post contains links czbbflier : For some reason, I cannot edit my post after it has been published and I noticed an error in my language which could be misconstrued: What I meant to
51 Post contains images czbbflier : Thank you Col. I completely agree with your view- and it summarizes in just a few words my reasons why I would like to see this discussion move from
52 NZ1 : Due to the way this thread has deteriorated into an off topic war, filled with numerous users attacking others, it will be locked. NZ1 Forum Moderator
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