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F1 2011: Gran Premio De Espana  
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 44
Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1714 times:
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Less than 2 days to P1 at Circuit de Catalunya.

FIA has backed down on banning blown difusers for now, saving the teams quite a lot of rengineering and retuning.

Ross Brawn has said Michael Schumacher will bounce back... am I the only one tired of hearing RB, Norbert Haug and other MS boosters saying this?
How long do we have to wait for him to bounce back?

Adrian Sutil has (allegedly) displayed even less control over broken champagne glasses than his VJM04 (no place in F1 IMHO!)

Pirelli have promised more durable tyres... undoing what has been one of the seasons highponts thus far..

Looking forward to the weekend!***

Cheers



*** Have just received my first shift roster for my new job and I don't start Monday until 12:45 pm so I will have no issues staying up late for the GP


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2626 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1691 times:
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I wonder what overtaking will be like at Catalunya this time. It wasn't the most renowned as a track in which one could overtake, but with the new DRS system things might be different.

As for Pirelli making more durable tyres - I can see your point about the tyre strategy being one of the most interesting things this year, but I think if the hard tyres can't even last half race distance, then it's simply not durable enough. I'd like to see more racing on the track rather than in the pits. I don't want to do away with tyre changes completely, but there's got to be a line drawn somewhere. Hamilton's race two weeks ago was ruined because of his tyre stops. If he had been on track it would've been an interesting battle between him and Webber for second.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Thanks for opening the thread, Stealthz!

For the first time this season, I will probably be able to watch a GP.... at long last!

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Ross Brawn has said Michael Schumacher will bounce back... am I the only one tired of hearing RB, Norbert Haug and other MS boosters saying this?

No you're not. This blind faith in MS is getting ridiculous. Can't they just realise that the man is simply finished?



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 1):
As for Pirelli making more durable tyres - I can see your point about the tyre strategy being one of the most interesting things this year, but I think if the hard tyres can't even last half race distance, then it's simply not durable enough. I'd like to see more racing on the track rather than in the pits

I want to see them run on tyres that are hard enough that they last the full race distance from start to finish, and do away with pit stops completely.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2626 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1683 times:
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Quoting cpd (Reply 3):
I want to see them run on tyres that are hard enough that they last the full race distance from start to finish, and do away with pit stops completely.

They tried that in 2005, leading to Räikkönen's accident after he flat-spotted a tyre, then drove around with severe vibrations which ultimately lead to suspension failure.

I think banning pit stops for tyre changes is a safety issue.



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Latest news suggests India could get moved to Dec 4 with Bahrain taking it's original slot.

User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):

Nobody said anything about banning pitstops, just making a hard enough tire to complete a race if desired. Flatspot a tire and pit if needed, no additional penalty.



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Result is easy to predict IMHO. This track favours RBR.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Waiting for qualifyings.

When I got back from my extended Space Shuttle trip yesterday aftenoon I noitced there are already some mega-yachts moored off the Monte Carlo harbour.

Helicopters manager friend at the airport said business is better this year both between Cannes Film Festival and Monaco Grand Prix. I was surprised to hear this. He said all drivers are now ferried by personal jets and helicopter to Monaco. They expect all drivers Tuesday.

Events are unfolding quickly...



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Q3 is becoming a one lap show. Everything to save tyres. Well done Webbo, I hope he can drive for the win.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Barcelona Spanish Grand Prix Qualifyings results

1 australia Mark Webber 2 Red Bull-Renault 1:23.619 1:21.773 1:20.981
2 germany Sebastian Vettel 1 Red Bull-Renault 1:24.142 1:21.540 1:21.181
3 great britain Lewis Hamilton 3 McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.370 1:22.148 1:21.961
4 spain Fernando Alonso 5 Ferrari 1:23.485 1:22.813 1:21.964
5 great britain Jenson Button 4 McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.428 1:22.050 1:21.996
6 russian federation Vitaly Petrov 10 Renault 1:23.069 1:22.948 1:22.471
7 germany Nico Rosberg 8 Mercedes GP 1:23.507 1:22.569 1:22.599
8 brazil Felipe Massa 6 Ferrari 1:23.506 1:23.026 1:22.888
9 venezuela Pastor Maldonado 12 Williams-Cosworth 1:24.406 1:22.854 1:22.952
10 germany Michael Schumacher 7 Mercedes GP 1:22.960 1:22.671
11 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 18 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.962 1:23.231
12 mexico Sergio Perez 17 Sauber 1:24.209 1:23.367
13 spain Jaime Alguersuari 19 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.049 1:23.694
14 japan Kamui Kobayashi 16 Sauber 1:23.656 1:23.702
15 finland Heikki Kovalainen 20 Lotus-Renault 1:25.874 1:25.403
16 great britain Paul Di Resta 15 Force India-Mercedes 1:24.332 1:26.126
17 germany Adrian Sutil 14 Force India-Mercedes 1:24.648 1:26.571
18 italy Jarno Trulli 21 Lotus-Renault 1:26.521
19 brazil Rubens Barrichello 11 Williams-Cosworth 1:26.910
20 germany Timo Glock 24 Virgin-Cosworth 1:27.315
21 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 23 Hispania-Cosworth 1:27.809
22 india Narain Karthikeyan 22 Hispania-Cosworth 1:27.908
23 belgium Jerome d'Ambrosio 25 Virgin-Cosworth 1:28.556
24 germany Nick Heidfeld 9 Renault

Red Bulls 1-2 again only this time it's Webber in pole and Seb in second place
It gets boring....

Good thing Alonso came in between the two McLarens.
I trust Kamui will make up lots of places during race time.
Will see what pit stop strategy the teams will use in the race.

Bad karma for Nick Heidfeld and the fire. Quite impressive to see the car in flames.
Good thing he came out of it without any burns.

  



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Great job by Webber, but remember that he had KERS while Vettel's didnt work.

Very happy that Alonso finally finished better than 5th  



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1515 times:
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Interesting qualifying but kind of predictable under current conditions.

Interesting strategies, did Eric Boullier con Ferrai and possibly Mercedes into burning a set of soft tyres in Q1?

Renault fire in P3 might put the spotlight right back on forward exhausts and blown difusers... might be why Eric Boullier is saying little about the causes of the conflagration.

Couthard and Brundle came up with a concept to inject life back into qualifying, an extra set of soft tyres for the top 10 that can only be used in the last 5 min of q3, not sure I care that much, I'm just happy the racing is good!

Q strategy from Mercedes seemed strange, use extra softs in Q1 then turn a single unnecessary lap in Q3 on hard tyres.. didn't make sense to me



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 12):
Renault fire in P3 might put the spotlight right back on forward exhausts and blown difusers... might be why Eric Boullier is saying little about the causes of the conflagration.

I think Renault are blowing a bit of hot air with claiming that it was just the exhaust. I think they had some kind of fluid leak onto the exhaust which caused it to go up in flames.


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1557 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

You know, all this talk about how bad Schumacher has been since he returned, but I don't see nearly as much on how bad Rubens has been. He's getting kicked around by a pay driver. Perhaps its time for him to step away as well.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1431 times:
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Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 14):
but I don't see nearly as much on how bad Rubens has been.

Rubens is not a 7 time world champion making a highly touted and perhaps overly optimistic comeback.
Having said that I agree he is likely past his best.

Back to Schumi, I read with interest some comments made recently by Johnny Herbert, Schumi's team mate during the 2 championship years of 1994 &5.
His opinion is that MS has lost none of his natural talent skill or reflexes, just the new crop of drivers are better.

I can imagine there are legions of MS fans that find this concept incomprehensible but that is likely the reality.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Seb is a really nice boy but I am getting tired of constantly seeing the Red Bulls at the top. I hope something will happen today so that Hammy, Alonso, Jenson and others will get the speedy bug and leave the Red Bulls in the back.

Not sure about Schumi. He is a used old German driver certainly not deprived of talent but still a used old German driver.

I hope Kamui will pass a few and then a few more even.

Go Kamui... Just Do It!!!!



                       



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

I´ll certainly wont watch another Vettel/Webber 1-2 today. I´m taking my bike out of the garage for a ride now.

Good luck to Ferrari, Schumacher and Hamilton. Wake me up when this boring F1 season starts to become interesting.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1417 times:
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Seems Schumi himself has become a Schumi booster..

Quoting Autosport:
'Schumacher: Success a matter of time"
..Michael Schumacher is convinced that he and Mercedes now have all the ingredients they need to be successful in Formula 1 and remains utterly confident that his squad can be a title-winner....

yeah right, Michael, deliver and we may become believers!!

The team may become winners** but I suspect the name on the trophy will be Rosberg, not Schumacher.

Cheers

** But there is some work to do!



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Well, today race is about to start, (7:30 AM EST) it will be shown live on our Speed Channel. I thnk I will watch it as no NASCAR today (they had their 'all-star' non-points race last night) and I haven't seen an F-1 race since last year. Looks like nice weather. I hope I can see the GP Monoco live next week, although that is the same day (Sunday) as our Indy 500 and NASCAR 'World' 600 at night, may be a little too much racing to watch for one day although I may miss part of the Indy 500 due to ceremonies in my home town for Memorial Day.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

Fernando Alonso... he he....


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Fernando Alonso... he he....

A great start by Alonso!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

Kamui not going anywhere today. Not his day obviously. Must be something with the car or he would be ahead....   


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1387 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 22):
Must be something with the car or he would be ahead....

If a drivers success were related to the faith of their admirers, Kamui would be WDC by now!!  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Looks like we are heading toward another Red Bool win... meh
Seb is a wonderful boy but I want to see something other than RedBools and McLarens...


 

Heikki crashed. He looks OK though...
51st lap??

Wrong tyre choice with hard tyres for Alonso
Stefano Domenicali brrrrrrrr.........

...
Massa skid on the gravel... finito!!!

[Edited 2011-05-22 06:34:41]


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25 Post contains images MadameConcorde : FINAL ORDER OF TOP 10: Vettel, Hamilton, Button, Webber, Alonso, Schumacher, Rosberg, Heidfeld, Perez, Kobayashi.
26 stealthz : Yet another win for Vettel but he did have to work for it!! When was the last time 5th place was lapped in a GP??? Cheers
27 racko : Haha, it seems like Vettel enjoyed those last laps a lot more than Hamilton.
28 Post contains images GrahamHill : Another Vettel win. I hope this season won't be a repeat of 2004 Anyway, congrats to him and Red Bull.
29 Post contains images CXB77L : Yes! Two of my favourite drivers finished 1-2. Apart from yet another ordinary day for Williams, I couldn't be happier with the result Well done to Ve
30 scbriml : Well, whatever next? An exciting Spanish GP for once! Great battle between Vettel & Hamilton. Solid drive by Button on a different strategy. But,
31 Post contains images codeshare : As for a Barcelona GP this wasn't a boring procession. Super start by Alonso, too bad he only made it 5th at the end, but he gave his fans much joy an
32 EZEIZA : if we needed proof of what the Ferrari is capable this season, yesterday left us without a doubt. Alonso made a great start, impressive really, and fr
33 stealthz : Ah, my friend, if I recall you were making the same plaintive cries this time last year, and how many points were there in it at the flag in Abu Dhab
34 EZEIZA : you are right, and I was thinking of that when posting, but in order to have a minimum chance, we need Ferrari to make a 180º turn in its performanc
35 Post contains images bill142 : He did have a puncture early on. Not yet anyway. If McLaren get ahead and put pressure on them and with their continued KERS failures, which will see
36 stealthz : In that case, Ferrari were the dominant customer of Bridgestone F1 and could be expected to have some influence in a multi supplier situation. The cu
37 EZEIZA : possibly, but for Ferrari, it would still be a too little too late situation, even if they can get somehow to have a faster car. If RBR starts losing
38 stealthz : They actually weren't, even with the "gimme" points from Indy they were never really in contention. Because sometimes looking at the bigger picture c
39 EZEIZA : But there's the mistake: Michelin failing to deliver the proper tyres destroyed F1 in the US. Again, why didn't the Michelin teams race anyway? About
40 DiamondFlyer : Let me get this straight, you're advocating teams running a race on tires that have a known failure issue caused due to a defect? Seems outright fool
41 Post contains images codeshare : Looks better on the McLarens On PF-1 they mentioned RBR accusing Ferrari of somehow listening to their radio transmissions.... feeling scared... nope
42 CXB77L : Yes, certainly looked that way, but ... Was it? Or was it merely to cover for the possibility that one of the other teams might snatch pole from thei
43 EZEIZA : running a normal race would have been foolish, but running a race with a couple of extra pit stops for the Michelin teams would have been ok. But in
44 Post contains links codeshare : interesting bit on RBRs race vs qualy performance and the use of exhaust: http://www.thef1times.com/community/display/00240 KS/codeshare
45 Post contains images CXB77L : I'm not a Ferrari fan, but I have to agree with this. How can it possibly be Ferrari's fault that the teams running on Michelin tyres at the time cho
46 GrahamHill : I completely agree with that statement.
47 EZEIZA : So let me try to understand what you agree with; Ferrari was in evident self interest for running the race, while the Michelin teams decided no to pa
48 GrahamHill : You read and understand strange stuff... Let me try to be clear: several proprosals have been made by Michelin and the Michelin teams, and all were r
49 EZEIZA : because they screwed up in the first place. therefore giving a benefit to the Michelin teams, while the teams that had Bridgestone would have to adap
50 Post contains images GrahamHill : I could reply but I'm a bit tired. I think I have expressed my opinion on this case countless times since I am writing on the F1 threads, so I'm not
51 Post contains links bill142 : Anyone care to tell me what's wrong with this article? http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sp...scent/story-e6frf3zl-1226063114272 Marko is wrong to sug
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