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Bad Products, Or Marketing Is Everything  
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10678 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Bad or useless products or products with exaggerated price tags dont sell in the long term. But there are exceptions of the rule, and whose success is only owed to great marketing and advertising.

The most famous that comes to my mind is the Red Bull drink. Come on, Red Bull tastes awful, is very expensive and its wake-up effect isnt much higher than coffee, if it has such at all. So why are people buying tons of it, so much so that the inventor is a billionaire and owner of the currently most successful F1 team?

Please feel free to add "your" successful "bad" product.

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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Almost any 'super luxury' name brand clothing, shoes and clothing product like Louie Vitton, Gucci, and the like. What can a purse costing $1000's do any different from one that costs $80 except maybe $20 more in materials and workmanship and $100's more spent on marketing. What is the real difference from a pair or $50 jeans vs. ones costing $100's unless you have an ideal body?

Most people who buy a BMW, M-B or other premium car will never be in a situation or have the ability to use thier full abililties of handling or performance just commuting to work or shopping.

Perhaps the most useless product and indeed one of the most unhealthy where marketing is or has been the driving force to make people buy is cigarettes, especially the Marlboro brand. You don't need cigarettes to survive, indeed they cause great harm in the long run, but they became popular in marketing to show you were 'sophicated', and 'adult', and so on.


User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

I dont find RedBull bad. At least for me, the taste is OK, the price is acceptable and the waking effect is comparatively better than either coffee or another cheaper brands of energy drink.

What I cant quite fathom is the price of some apparell. I get why someone would pay 500 euro or more for a quality suit, but I fail to see what is, for example. worth 200 euros on Ed Hardy t-shirt (yes those were that expensive around here, at least for a while)



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3818 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

I think an obvious candidate for this is any Apple product.

You get the same performance / specifications as the other brand, but you pay about 2x as much. Perfect example is the iPhone 4 / Samsung Galaxy smartphone, as well as the laptops. But they manage to build a lifestyle / feeling around the product that makes you want to own it to feel good.

Soren   



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting na (Thread starter):
The most famous that comes to my mind is the Red Bull drink. Come on, Red Bull tastes awful, is very expensive and its wake-up effect isnt much higher than coffee, if it has such at all. So why are people buying tons of it, so much so that the inventor is a billionaire and owner of the currently most successful F1 team?

It tastes ok, some things are better and some things are worse but it has really good marketing. I find in funny that they have to have a slogan to cover their ass if someone actually believes their slogan and tries to fly.

For anyone who doesn't already know the slogan is "Redbull gives you wings!!"

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 1):

Almost any 'super luxury' name brand clothing, shoes and clothing product like Louie Vitton, Gucci, and the like. What can a purse costing $1000's do any different from one that costs $80 except maybe $20 more in materials and workmanship and $100's more spent on marketing

I don't really see these things marketed that much, but I agree with your point 100%. Its all for status and the people who can afford it are going to buy it because their friend or rival has one.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 1):
Perhaps the most useless product and indeed one of the most unhealthy where marketing is or has been the driving force to make people buy is cigarettes, especially the Marlboro brand

I thought it is now illegal to market them.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 3):
I think an obvious candidate for this is any Apple product.

You get the same performance / specifications as the other brand, but you pay about 2x as much. Perfect example is the iPhone 4 / Samsung Galaxy smartphone, as well as the laptops. But they manage to build a lifestyle / feeling around the product that makes you want to own it to feel good.

You are now in Klaus's bad books   

I do agree though and how apple advertised against PC's were like political attack ads saying how much the rival sucked without really saying what was better about their product, although they are amusing adds.

They have to advertise now (I really didn't see much out of them pre Iphone) because they didn't pioneer the smartphone and its not a bad product but as you say there is better for less especially against the Ipad. Its working well for them so they get the credit and now they are the evil empire in the way that MS was in the 90's, just not with computers but with their gadgets.

The one thing I can add to this is beer, the companies that advertise make the worst stuff (at least in North America) Bud, Miller, Coors Lite, Labatt Blue, and Molson Canadian are all pretty crappy. The only remotely good beers that are advertised in North America (mostly Canada) IMO are Alexander Keith's and Corona (which is good in the right environment).

In Australia the only add I see on TV repeatedly are Tooheys extra dry an Pure Blond which I find ok but there is a lot of stuff that is heaps better.

The good beers really don't advertise outside of the occasional poster or billboard, and most good beers are from micorbrewers and are discovered through word of mouth.



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User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Just about any name brand

People pay big bucks extra for name brand food, gas, pharmaceuticals, etc., when the generic product is just as good for a fraction of the cost.

Practical side, why pay $2 a bottle more for Tylenol when you can get the store brand, with the same exact active ingredients. Same for gas. "Shell with Nitrogen?" All gas has some sort of nitrogen content in it, just Shell tries to market it beyond hell to make it look "clean," all for some of the most expensive gas there is (check gasbuddy.com if you don't believe me). Or Johnson and Johnson saying "According to clinical studies, our band-aid is better than the leading store brand." Really? If you paid a research firm to "study" that, you probably paid them to come up with a way to say that your $4/package more band-aid product is better. The list could go on and on...

Bottled Water

Unless you don't have access to it (third world country, deep woods, etc.), your tap water is the same as that outrageously marked up bottle of water you got in your hand. In fact, most bottled water is just bottled tap water anyways. Maybe run it past a UV light to say "its cleaner." But its a huge fad industry in the US.


User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting na (Thread starter):
useless products or products with exaggerated price tags dont sell in the long term. But there are exceptions of the rule, and whose success is only owed to great marketing and advertising.

Shell V-Power. A perfect example of placebo effect, imho.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Politicians - They have good marketing to get themselves elected to office. They all suck.

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

fast food, soft drinks, cigarettes and so on

People know that those are bad for them if they don't live under rocks, they can easily buy or make better alternatives and yet, billions in advertising money guarantee a huge market for this stuff and another huge one for the pharmaceutical products needed to remedy their effects.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7951 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 5):
pharmaceuticals, etc., when the generic product is just as good for a fraction of the cost.

Pharmaceutical research is expensive and while this alone may not explain the price gap, a generic product can be cheaper than the original.

I go with that awfull stuff called Red Bull too.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3479 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2909 times:
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Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 5):
pharmaceuticals, etc., when the generic product is just as good for a fraction of the cost.
Quoting NoUFO (Reply 9):
Pharmaceutical research is expensive and while this alone may not explain the price gap



most branding by pharmaceuticals is to pay for the advertising... surprising how may people go to the doctor's to get a prescription for something they saw advertised when they don't even have the symptoms...


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2813 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Quoting na (Thread starter):
The most famous that comes to my mind is the Red Bull drink. Come on, Red Bull tastes awful, is very expensive and its wake-up effect isnt much higher than coffee, if it has such at all. So why are people buying tons of it, so much so that the inventor is a billionaire and owner of the currently most successful F1 team?

I agree. It tastes like an horrible chemical sparkling cough medicine and does not do the job better than coffee. Not to mention that it's not the healthiest drink in the world...

BUT, they do a lot of motorsports sponsoring, so I like them. I don't drink their product but I like them  



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User currently offlinegreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 3):
You get the same performance / specifications as the other brand, but you pay about 2x as much. Perfect example is the iPhone 4 / Samsung Galaxy smartphone, as well as the laptops. But they manage to build a lifestyle / feeling around the product that makes you want to own it to feel good.

I don't think that has as much to do with marketing as design. A lot of people diss Apple's customers because "you don't get good value" or "it's overpriced." I, like many others, purchase certain apple products because they are fantastically designed (aesthetically), their software is easy to navigate, and most importantly, they are a joy to use. The reason why Apple is so successful and others like Creative have fallen is because Apple understands that design is important, and that best value isn't always the best buy. I have used various competing products and they are often so complicated I can't be bothered to use 97% of their functions, and their design is so boring I'd rather not take it out in public. You take something very advanced, make it easy to use, and wonderful to look at. Then a little marketing to let the public know you sell it. I've never had met anyone who bought the iphone4 because of marketing. Everyone I know who bought one did after actually holding it, using it, be it a friend's or at the store.



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User currently offlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Expensive watches. They don't keep time any better than my Timex.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Quoting na (Thread starter):
Come on, Red Bull tastes awful, is very expensive and its wake-up effect isnt much higher than coffee, if it has such at all.

It tastes alright and it isn't any more expensive than a Coke or something else.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 1):
Most people who buy a BMW, M-B or other premium car will never be in a situation or have the ability to use thier full abililties of handling or performance just commuting to work or shopping.

Depends on where you work and shop. But those brands do work hard to make it worthwhile to own.

Quoting Fabo (Reply 2):
worth 200 euros on Ed Hardy t-shirt (yes those were that expensive around here, at least for a while)

That is a lot of money to spend, especially considering that you could accomplish the same with a simple "Hi, I'm a douche bag" badge.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 3):
I think an obvious candidate for this is any Apple product.

Very much so. That and the arrogance of Jobs and Apple is rather off putting. Steve Jobs doesn't think I need Flash on my phone? I disagree, so he can take his iPhone and shove it. And I'll take whatever apps I please, not just ones they approve.

Quoting johns624 (Reply 13):
Expensive watches.

The problem with that is that all watches look the same from ten feet away.

Quoting na (Thread starter):
Please feel free to add "your" successful "bad" product.

Scion hands down. Toyota trying to design a car that appeals to young people, but as a young person, I'd be hard pressed to name a car I find less appealing. Meanwhile, Ford is still selling Mustangs as fast as they can make them and the new Camaro is a hit.



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User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4942 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

Quoting Fabo (Reply 2):
I dont find RedBull bad. At least for me, the taste is OK, the price is acceptable and the waking effect is comparatively better than either coffee or another cheaper brands of energy drink.

Red Bull is actually the only energy drink I will consume, its the only one that doesn't taste absolutely disgusting to me.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 1):
Almost any 'super luxury' name brand clothing, shoes and clothing product like Louie Vitton, Gucci, and the like. What can a purse costing $1000's do any different from one that costs $80 except maybe $20 more in materials and workmanship and $100's more spent on marketing. What is the real difference from a pair or $50 jeans vs. ones costing $100's unless you have an ideal body?

I've never understood that either, but I guess its because I've never had a lot of disposable income, so spending a lot on clothes just doesn't make sense to me.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 3):
But they manage to build a lifestyle / feeling around the product that makes you want to own it to feel good.

Apple doesn't sell products, it sells an undeserved sense of self-importance and superiority.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):

Very much so. That and the arrogance of Jobs and Apple is rather off putting. Steve Jobs doesn't think I need Flash on my phone? I disagree, so he can take his iPhone and shove it. And I'll take whatever apps I please, not just ones they approve.

I agree- the obnoxious Apple culture clearly starts at the top.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):

Scion hands down. Toyota trying to design a car that appeals to young people, but as a young person, I'd be hard pressed to name a car I find less appealing.

My girlfriend has a Scion TC (not the annoying boxy looking one), and it actually runs pretty well, good handling and performance. My biggest complaint with that car is that I'm 6'2" and it gets a little cramped in there with the low ceiling.



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Pretty much everything in retail. There's always some kind of better deal on the same product somewhere else--always!


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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 1):
Perhaps the most useless product and indeed one of the most unhealthy where marketing is or has been the driving force to make people buy is cigarettes, especially the Marlboro brand. You don't need cigarettes to survive, indeed they cause great harm in the long run, but they became popular in marketing to show you were 'sophicated', and 'adult', and so on.

I'm not trying to advocate smoking here, but there is indeed a difference in taste between M's and cheaper brands. I will grant you that marketing, advertisements and otherwise, does do the companies much good.

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 5):
Bottled Water

Unless you don't have access to it (third world country, deep woods, etc.), your tap water is the same as that outrageously marked up bottle of water you got in your hand. In fact, most bottled water is just bottled tap water anyways. Maybe run it past a UV light to say "its cleaner." But its a huge fad industry in the US.

I don't really know how much of an issue that is in the US, but I will advocate for bottled water at least a bit. Bottled water is for ex. practical when touring somewhere, you grab a 2lt. bottle in the morning in the convenience store and walk around the city all day, for example. Also, I am a great fan of sparkling water. You won't get that from tap.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
That is a lot of money to spend, especially considering that you could accomplish the same with a simple "Hi, I'm a douche bag" badge.

Spot on! 



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User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

Quoting Fabo (Reply 17):
Bottled water is for ex. practical when touring somewhere, you grab a 2lt. bottle in the morning in the convenience store and walk around the city all day, for example.

You can simply buy a bottle of water once and refill it when its empty, over and over. No need to keep buying a fresh new bottle of water every time you're done with another bottle.

Quoting Fabo (Reply 17):
Also, I am a great fan of sparkling water. You won't get that from tap.

Understandable.


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

How about the Smart Car, it can fit on top of your bed and it costs north of $25,000.


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 19):
it costs north of $25,000.

It starts at $10,990.



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User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 5):
Bottled Water

Seeing you live in the US, I am surprised to see you can actually enjoy your tap water! Wherever I've been to in the States, I found there was largely too much chlorine added to make it really drinkable. Even at home, I usually stick to bottled water, because it tastes so much better.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Scion hands down. Toyota trying to design a car that appeals to young people, but as a young person,

I agree. As a young person, (as well as someone, that, in a couple of years, will fall into their target demographic) I don't find them apealing- I like Toyota, and I would have no problem driving a normal one, but the Scions I think just look cheao and crappy. I'll take a Corolla any day over one of the Scions.

As for other brands...There are many things that are very well marketed, but are not good... I'll agree with many of you; Red Bull is one of them.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 18):
You can simply buy a bottle of water once and refill it when its empty, over and over.

Not quite always, when your average filthy public toilet costs more than said bottle... But I will grant you that. Truth is, I always buy my water sparkling, so I never as much as thought of refilling.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 21):
Even at home, I usually stick to bottled water, because it tastes so much better.

While I find bottled water taste a bit better than tap water here in Prague, it is not better enough for me to ignore tap water. And back home... tap water is far better than any bottled water ever, period.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 20):
It starts at $10,990.

The $25.000 pricetag was at my local dealership about a year ago.   



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25 Post contains images Birdwatching : I hope I don't get a super duper ban for posting this, but... A.net first class membership? You get to view the site ad free (tell you what, so do I)
26 Post contains images Molykote : I can't think of many truly terrible products that are kept around by marketing alone. I think it's more fair to point out the "artificial value" that
27 Asturias : In what world do people avoid things that they know are bad for them? I don't know why you didn't include drinking alcohol, suntanning and wake up in
28 Northwest727 : Not sure what you are getting at...never seen a public toilet you have to pay for. Having lived in several cities now, I have noticed some difference
29 Larshjort : If you ever get the oppertunity to drive in Hamburg you'll understand why they invented the Smart. /Lars
30 Fabo : Haven't been around Prague or Budapest or so then, have you? Truth is, I have a hard time remembering seeing a free access public toilet... (not coun
31 Post contains images Aaron747 : For certain ladies' accessories, it's definitely all in the marketing. Every housewife in Japan has a Vuitton wallet, handbag/purse, and whatever the
32 Post contains images Fly2HMO : Oh man... don't get me started.. Apple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dyson Cirrus Bose Did I say Apple? Lexus, Acura, Infinity and all of the other
33 RJLover : When I lived in Calgary I DESPISED the tap water there (very, very hard water). I had to buy bottled water all the time. If you look carefully you ca
34 elbandgeek : A lot of this is subjective, but dear god yes about Apple. Everytime I see one of their commercials I want to punch my TV because of the absolute leve
35 Molykote : They subsidize research for cars I can afford and/or provide for gently driven used examples.....
36 na : In Germany Red Bull is about three times more expensive than Coke (a RB can costs roughly $ 2,50 here). Seems to be another case where Germans have t
37 Goldenshield : HEAD ON! Just apply it to the forehead! You know, the same could be said for crack dealers.
38 san747 : I'm trying to understand the analogy. Are crack users generally obnoxious and think they're smarter and/or cooler than others because they use crack?
39 Goldenshield : Crack dealers sell crack. Those that take crack will have a sense of self-importance and superiority (although, on the outside, they are just stoned
40 BMI727 : What can a Scion TC do that a Celica couldn't? Of course, releasing the xB as a different brand was a good idea, since badging it as a Toyota here co
41 2707200X : Ink cartridges even at Target can cost more than $60.
42 CplKlinger : I have to agree on the HP Printers. All of the ones I have even owned have been junkers. I currently have an Epson Workforce 630 and hope to never pa
43 Post contains links stasisLAX : Two bad products immediately jump to mind: 1 - The Snuggie (marketed as "America's favorite blanket with sleeves"). If you're not familiar with this p
44 Northwest727 : My company had to replace every Dell they had, due to a major design flaw. Optiplex 745 mini tower, none of them had cooling fans of any sort, and wh
45 type-rated : To me Red Bull tastes like sparking grape flavored gum soda. Yuk. I think people also like it because of the can. It looks like it should contain som
46 CplKlinger : And I'm willing to bet Dell waffled/didn't ofer any help on it? I've not had a lot of luck with Dell's customer no-service. I'm still waiting on the
47 Post contains links Northwest727 : Dell did nothing. It sad when there are websites all over discussing the problem, even ones "selling" kits to fix what Dell "failed" to properly desi
48 Fly2HMO : Tell me about it. I went through 4 of them in college. They would all randomly die on me within a year, and I barely printed 300 pages a year. After
49 Flighty : As much as I hate to admit it, this is true. Nobody needs over 300hp in this country. Yet a Honda Accord has nearly that much power now. Why? What ar
50 af773atmsp : McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, and pretty much any fast food restaurant like them. They're commercials always use a phrase like "100% real beef",
51 Post contains links Klaus : Several posts mentioned Apple products in general. There are several reasons to question that claim: • Apple has a relatively modest advertising/mar
52 Post contains images Birdwatching : Word of mouth is advertising too. This thread is not about big advertising budgets, it is about advertising in general. In the case of Apple, a huge
53 Babybus : There are quality issues. A Ralph Lauren shirt, just for example, will last and look good for 10-15 years while a shirt bought in Next or M&S will
54 Fabo : Babybus: If the issue is solely that of aging, and not quality within lifespan, than you might be very much better off with buying a Skoda every 3 yea
55 san747 : Is that an effect of the high when you take crack? I sincerely did not know that. My bad. I'm not defending the car, don't worry. I drive her car som
56 Goldenshield : I'm sure you're just being sarcastic. That's okay. The choice of cocaine was just at the top of my head. However, to quote WIki: So, your mileage wil
57 Post contains links Fly2HMO : A much more valid comparison would be to see how much they invest in marketing vs their competitors. And those simple minded enough to be possessed b
58 Klaus : Yes this idea of a huge conspiracy of lying, manipulated people all around you is quite popular in certain circles. But when you get right down to it
59 Aaron747 : Who wants to wear the same shirt for 15 years?? Good god. So you can brag to fellow members of the small dick club about "what you've got", of course
60 BMI727 : The tC is actually a reasonably nice small coupe. But why they couldn't just call it a Toyota and scrap the rest of the Scion lineup, which is a stea
61 Klaus : Sure, go ahead. But they definitely spend more than the corner computer shop as well. Should Apple still be compared to them 1:1 as well, despite the
62 L410Turbolet : This is not the 1980s, which eneded 20 years ago and the last M-B living up to its, once well deserved, reputation was probably the W124. I am not so
63 Klaus : And then there are people who simply question hilariously over the top theories like that one and who speak for simple plausibility checks. You know,
64 Post contains links and images Birdwatching : http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385502,00.asp Soren
65 Klaus : The operative phrase being: You'll get that same result with any kind of "fanatic" – pretty much by definition. Including, quite likely, with people
66 na : Apple products are good products. My experience. Also, as a designer, you practically have no other choise than to work with an Apple. So, no, Apple
67 Mortyman : Indeed. Tap water in the US taste like it's comming from a swimmingpool....
68 Babybus : I like to keep all my clothes as long as possible. I take care choosing them and look after them and I don't mind spending money on them. I hate the
69 Post contains images Flight152 : Yeah, since all US tap water tastes the same.
70 BAKJet : In the case of pharmaceuticals, the generic is not always "just as good". Sometimes the name-brand works for a person, but the generic doesn't.
71 BMI727 : Even that's a waste. Use your phone.
72 Post contains links pelican : Apple I-Phones Why would anybody buy an I-Phone which is significantly more expensive (at least here in Germany) than Android-phones from HTC or Samsu
73 Mir : Higher resolution screen, access to more apps, etc. -Mir
74 Klaus : • The Android phones which are actually significantly cheaper are not comparable with the iPhone nor with the relatively few top-of-the-line Androi
75 Andz : In this country, V-Power diesel is 50ppm sulphur whereas normal diesel is 500ppm so the former is all that goes in my car.
76 Northwest727 : Its all mental, in their head with those people. Ever hear of the "placebo effect?" Just look at the back of the drug, and note the active ingredient
77 BMI727 : That's just code for "You only get apps Steve Jobs says you can get." Somebody must have stuffed an iPhone in my Droid case then, because I have gott
78 Post contains images stabilator : There are thousands off crap Apps on the Apple App market. Let's be honest. After a 1.5 years of owning my 3GS, I can only manage roughly 3hrs of bat
79 Klaus : So how come the selection is of much higher quality than on the Android side and when dropping the outright malware and junky wallpaper-type apps als
80 Mir : Steve Jobs will let you have more apps than Google will. -Mir
81 BMI727 : The iPhone has been around for a longer. That's disingenuous, because the update is designed and made and then released to the carriers. They then ha
82 Post contains images Birdwatching : Man, that is the lamest point I've read in this thread so far! First of all, iPhones have a SEALED battery, so you can't replace it if you really nee
83 Post contains links Klaus : Malware? Legitimate apps drowning between masses of outright plagiarized ones? Apps which simply don't work or just some of their functions or just o
84 Klaus : No, it's an inherent, systematic flaw which has very noticeable consequences for the users. In most cases, the updates never make it through the gaun
85 BMI727 : No different than some software not working on certain computers. So, do a little homework and find a phone that can do what you want it to do. It's
86 Post contains links Springbok747 : The iphone has been around longer. The android app store is catching up though. The replacement battery for my Nexus S costs $25, and I don't need to
87 Post contains links and images stabilator : Thanks for the insult The pricing on the new digitizer is accurate, as I had mine crack. I think they wanted something like $199. I got a new one thr
88 GSPflyer : The Smart Car....you Can buy a Go-Cart for less than half the price, and get just as much "car". Apple Products, except for the iPod. I don't understa
89 Post contains images stabilator : Indeed it does. Another thing that's hyped is 5 hour energy. I've never felt awake after I've used it. Has anyone else had success with it? To add to
90 Post contains images pelican : I'm not talking about spec sheets but first-hand experience. As you said - the top-of-the-line Android phones are "somewhat on par with it" - or even
91 Klaus : We were speaking of the problem of firmware upgrades never making it to the majority of the Android devices, not even with crucial security updates a
92 Klaus : What "insult"? Come on! Your completely bogus claim about the battery price does indeed damage your credibility. That said: The Apple price is for a
93 BAKJet : I'm not talking about those kinds of pharmaceuticals, I'm talking about prescription name-brands vs. generics, which in many cases, have different ac
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