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User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecut...g-laura-ingraham-a-right-wing-slut

I am kind of surprised they have hung on to this guy as long as they have. His ratings are poor and he is such a liability. In Rachel and Lawrence you have two people who couch their far left views in pyscho-babble but this guy just lets it fly much like former congressman Alan Grayson. They distanced themselves from Olbermann quickly when he behaved like this and he was a money maker for them.

Unless Ed changes big time I can't see him lasting much longer.

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User currently offlinedl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
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It's an example of how many people get carried away with their ever increasing insults and invective directed toward their supposed polticial opponents.

I've heard plenty of people say horrible, if-it-was-said-in-person-it-would-start-a-fight, things about people they don't know, based on something they heard a 3rd party say, or simply as an overreaction to what they perceive the other person is all about.

Calling her a slut was uncalled for and indicative of someone with a poor argument, and seeking to cast aspersions in lieu of making solid points for their own perspective.

He did the right thing apologizing but still needs to think about what the hell he's doing, as do many of us who use insults to try to diminish our opponents arguments, rather than logic and reality.



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User currently offlinecharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

What are his 50 viewers going to watch while he's off?

User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Quoting dl021 (Reply 1):
Calling her a slut was uncalled for and indicative of someone with a poor argument, and seeking to cast aspersions in lieu of making solid points for their own perspective

Honestly I truly feel his actions are only in place to try to generate an audience. Also he totally loathes Rush and thinks people only listen to him because he is provacitive. It's professional jealousy and Ed gets more incensed when Rush ignores him and refuses to take his bait to get into media fueds. Rush plays him perfectly and it's beginning to show.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21641 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Honestly I truly feel his actions are only in place to try to generate an audience.

Just like pretty much every other opinion guy on cable news. That's what happens when ratings are king.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8280 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

I really don't see a difference between Ed & Rush. Both cater to a market. No big deal.

As far as the "slut" comment goes, it seems to pale in comparison to Rush's comments and pathetic flopping around when he went after Michael J Fox.

Now that Ed has gotten some PR for his show I might check him out in a few weeks.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21641 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Now that Ed has gotten some PR for his show I might check him out in a few weeks.

Thus validating his actions.

-Mir



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User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
That's what happens when ratings are king.

Also when you don't get any.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
As far as the "slut" comment goes, it seems to pale in comparison to Rush's comments and pathetic flopping around when he went after Michael J Fox.

How? Rush was spot on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9QkBI2IEoM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo&feature=related

Michael J Fox clearly was acting up his diesase in a political ad which is shameful. Was Rush wrong in donig the gestures sure but he wasn't mocking him or the diesase in any way.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21641 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Also when you don't get any.

Which is what I said.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
As far as the "slut" comment goes, it seems to pale in comparison to Rush's comments and pathetic flopping around when he went after Michael J Fox.

In addition, some of Ed Schultz's sympathizers are running interference for him. As a way of minimizing the incident, some of the ladies on The View brought up the "slut" comment and then started calling each other "slut" as if it were no big thing. Joy Behar said she calls Barbara Walters "slut" all the time, and then Barbara commented in a sarcastic sort of way that she may have to sue Joy for saying that, but was laughing and making light of it as if to say that the whole thing is being blown out of proportion. So it would not be surprising if the incident just blows over and Ed Schultz is returned to his position at MSNBC in good standing since some people in the media (e.g., the hosts of The View) are acting as if it is no big thing to call someone a slut.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1434 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):

As far as the "slut" comment goes, it seems to pale in comparison to Rush's comments and pathetic flopping around when he went after Michael J Fox.

I shudder to think that someone your age thinks that doing something rather tasteless but hardly mean-spirited is worse than calling someone the nastiest names you can think of. I know you were brought up differently.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8280 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1420 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Michael J Fox clearly was acting up his diesase in a political ad which is shameful.

Was he "acting" when his Parkinson's has reached a point where he can't work in a well paid TV series?

Maybe he just didn't feel the need to take his meds.

Or maybe he made a decision not to hide his condition. It's real and a lot of people have it - with more being diagnosed every day.

Rush was basically a gross fat guy demonstrating both his ignorance of the medical decision and his total lack of proprietary.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
calling someone the nastiest names you can think of.

Not the nastiest I can think of by any stretch, especially if used in a political, rather than a sexual, sense.

So Ed apologizes, takes a week off without pay, and watches the terms he uses. The punishment will, BTW, help establish a higher standard in the future and that will impact both the right and the left.


User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1418 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
I am kind of surprised they have hung on to this guy as long as they have. His ratings are poor and he is such a liability. In Rachel and Lawrence you have two people who couch their far left views in pyscho-babble but this guy just lets it fly much like former congressman Alan Grayson. They distanced themselves from Olbermann quickly when he behaved like this and he was a money maker for them.

He's the left wing version of Limbaugh, except he's not a racist. I'm not agreeing with what he did, but way worst things have been said on the radio.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5611 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1410 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
I shudder to think that someone your age thinks that doing something rather tasteless but hardly mean-spirited is worse than calling someone the nastiest names you can think of.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Michael J Fox clearly was acting up his diesase in a political ad which is shameful. Was Rush wrong in donig the gestures sure but he wasn't mocking him or the diesase in any way.

Again, it is views like this that have lead to the pit we are in regarding public discourse, talk radio, political attacks. Neither action can be supported if you hold the views that you are claiming here. If what Ed said was unacceptable for the reasons noted then what Rush said was also unacceptable for similar though not necessarily the same reasons.

You are being duplicitous or deceiving yourselves if you cannot see this.

In my opinion I think we have become far to disrespectful to those we disagree with. We attack people, call people names, and focus on and blow small things out of proportion, and excuse bad behavior.

We as a nation need to change and become better in our discourse and not keep sinking down.

Tugg



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months ago) and read 1395 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
Maybe he just didn't feel the need to take his meds.

Oh really.. How many millions of times does this have to be explained. Rush mistakenly said that MJF must have not taken his meds... thats the one area where he was wrong. MJF ********OVERMEDICATED******* his drugs to enhance the effect. He knew **********EXACTLY********** what he was doing. He was ***********ENHANCING THE EFFECT*********** to film a commercial.

Sorry about all the ***'s but maybe that will get your attention. MJF intentionally modified his meds to create a fictional portrait of his disease...

And you either ignore it or just don't want to hear the truth....

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 12):
He's the left wing version of Limbaugh, except he's not a racist

Really. Racist? You do know one of his best friends, the Rev Ken Hutcherson, who is black, performed his marriage ceremony last year, don't you? Love how you on the left always throw out the racist card on him but never can provide any proof that he actually is one.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 14):
Love how you on the left always throw out the racist card on him but never can provide any proof that he actually is one.
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane...lla/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Michael J Fox clearly was acting up his diesase in a political ad which is shameful. Was Rush wrong in donig the gestures sure but he wasn't mocking him or the diesase in any way.
Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 14):
Oh really.. How many millions of times does this have to be explained. Rush mistakenly said that MJF must have not taken his meds... thats the one area where he was wrong. MJF ********OVERMEDICATED******* his drugs to enhance the effect. He knew **********EXACTLY********** what he was doing. He was ***********ENHANCING THE EFFECT*********** to film a commercial.
Sorry about all the ***'s but maybe that will get your attention. MJF intentionally modified his meds to create a fictional portrait of his disease...

Prove it

Obviously conservatives will do what they accuse liberals of doing to prove a point.

At least Ed apologized and is rightfully facing a mandatory absence and pay dock by MSNBC. Glenn and Rush can say things and lie all they want and not have to face any sanctions by the company that carries their broadcasts.



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User currently onlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

Ed Schultz was suspended for a week from his show for his use of the word 'slut' as to as to well known 'conservative' commentator. He make an apology shortly after his show. Igraham used the n-word on her radio show, repeated it several times, leading her to be chased off her radio show, was she worse - yes. Problem is that progressives-liberals are becoming so frustrated, they are more likely to use shock words, like 'slut' to attack those conservatives they find offensive in their views and who also make offensive statements like over the President's birth certificate, and so on.

User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 9):
In addition, some of Ed Schultz's sympathizers are running interference for him. As a way of minimizing the incident, some of the ladies on The View brought up the "slut" comment and then started calling each other "slut" as if it were no big thing. Joy Behar said she calls Barbara Walters "slut" all the time, and then Barbara commented in a sarcastic sort of way that she may have to sue Joy for saying that, but was laughing and making light of it as if to say that the whole thing is being blown out of proportion. So it would not be surprising if the incident just blows over and Ed Schultz is returned to his position at MSNBC in good standing since some people in the media (e.g., the hosts of The View) are acting as if it is no big thing to call someone a slut.

Oh I am sure they would say the same thing if Rush called Joan Walsh a "slut"

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
Was he "acting" when his Parkinson's has reached a point where he can't work in a well paid TV series?

No but it was no where near what he was doing in the political ad.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
Or maybe he made a decision not to hide his condition. It's real and a lot of people have it - with more being diagnosed every day

Yep as you can see if the Larry King vid his condition is far less than the political ad.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
Rush was basically a gross fat guy demonstrating both his ignorance of the medical decision and his total lack of proprietary.

Ahhh there it is.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
So Ed apologizes, takes a week off without pay, and watches the terms he uses. The punishment will, BTW, help establish a higher standard in the future and that will impact both the right and the left.

Ed is at a crossroads. His move to 10pm hasn't really changed much and his ratings will not improve. I think after the election he is gone back to radio for good because nobody will touch him.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 12):
he's not a racist

12 posts before the race baiting surfaces. I lost that bet.

Quoting tugger (Reply 13):
Again, it is views like this that have lead to the pit we are in regarding public discourse, talk radio, political attacks. Neither action can be supported if you hold the views that you are claiming here. If what Ed said was unacceptable for the reasons noted then what Rush said was also unacceptable for similar though not necessarily the same reasons.

Rush didn't say anything out of line. Fox clearly played up his symptoms in an attempt to get someone elected and was probably prompted to do so from that campaign. It's there as clear as day in the links I provided. When rush mimicked him of course it was in bad taste but far from a racist or hateful reason. I doubt Rush has a problem with people with parkinsons but more of a problem with pandering to get someone elected.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 15):
Prove it

Ok, I will. Again, for the millionth time... in his own words. On CBS...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...0/26/eveningnews/main2128188.shtml


Why can't you lib's just admit you're wrong?



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 15):
At least Ed apologized and is rightfully facing a mandatory absence and pay dock by MSNBC. Glenn and Rush can say things and lie all they want and not have to face any sanctions by the company that carries their broadcasts.

In the case of Rush, he owns the company. But I have never heard hatred from Rush as from Shultz.

Hats off for Ed at least putting out what appears to be a sincere apology. I'm surprised he did. I'm sure Comcast, NBC's new owners, gave him a little nudge and reminded him about what they did with Olbermann. Back in the GE days I'm sure nothing would have been said about it.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 18):
Ok, I will. Again, for the millionth time... in his own words. On CBS...

Okay, I will give you credit on MJF but you did not give the source of the facts before I asked you to prove where you found the information.



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User currently offlinealoha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):
Igraham used the n-word on her radio show, repeated it several times, leading her to be chased off her radio show, was she worse - yes.

I think you are confusing conservative political talk-show host Laura INGRAHAM with call-in psychology talk-show host Dr. Laura SCHLESSINGER.

Ingraham has never used the "n-word" on her show. Dr. Laura did. 2 different people, 2 different shows.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
two people who couch their far left views in pyscho-babble
Quoting charlienorth (Reply 2):
What are his 50 viewers going to watch while he's off?

Here is what I don't get about the right wing and the tea people: They will stand up for anyone to voice their opinions as long as those opinions are the same as their own. If they waver one iota, that person is thrown out and called every name in the book. We can have any opinion we want in this country as long as it is the opinion of the right wing/tea people.

What Ed said was low. But, no lower than anything I have heard from the right. Grow up. If you on the right are allowed to defend your racist and hateful talking heads, then the left is allowed to as well.



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User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
Here is what I don't get about the right wing and the tea people:

I am far from Tea Party and for the millonith time you keep referring to me as such. Why?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
They will stand up for anyone to voice their opinions as long as those opinions are the same as their own. If they waver one iota, that person is thrown out and called every name in the book

Hmm funny I searched the thread and couldn't find where I said Ed Schultz can't voice his opnions. Care to enlighten me? Or is this another diatribe where words will be injected into my mouth? Just like I am a Tea Party member?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
We can have any opinion we want in this country as long as it is the opinion of the right wing/tea people.

Yawn. No I love the fact that people gave their lives so we can speak our minds and not have the government come knocking on our door to haul us away. I just started a thread about someone who can't seem to do this without hurling names and acting totally unprofessional. Maddow and O'Donnell can do it. Why can't Ed?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
If you on the right are allowed to defend your racist and hateful talking heads, then the left is allowed to as well.

The race baiting isn't working anymore. Nobody including Rush or Beck are racists since they oppose a big government Jimmy Carter Democrat. In fact they would have been equally as critical of Carter or Kerry or Gore. Has Beck and Rush said stupid things? Sure, but I can't remember them using a derogetory remark such as "slut" If you can find an instance please post it. Instead of the constant empty, void if reality talking points.


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

I've listened to Ed Schultz. He strikes me as someone who really should seek therapy...a well and truly angry person. Listening to him last year, I figured he'd implode someday.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
If you on the right are allowed to defend your racist and hateful talking heads

Some can be hateful, yes...but racist? Who is racist?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
If you on the right are allowed to defend your racist and hateful talking heads, then the left is allowed to as well.

How about it's never right on either side. Tit for tat goes nowhere.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
Rush was basically a gross fat guy demonstrating both his ignorance of the medical decision and his total lack of proprietary.

You condemn someone for making light of a condition while making a disparaging comment about his size (and it may be inferred "big people" in general)? Following your logic, should I call you an insensitive fat-person-hater?

(for the record, obviously I know you're not--I've seen far too many of your posts and know you're a very intelligent person whose heart is in the right place)

ANYONE resorting to ad hominems in an argument just isn't trying hard enough. Anyone.



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25 san747 : Very good point. I wish we hadn't simply glossed over tugger's quote here: It's a lesson we need to take to heart, but I seriously doubt we will (unl
26 Dreadnought : Last I checked, it is the left that has at least 50 organizations dedicated to shutting down conservative opinion, concentrating on organizing boycot
27 Post contains links NIKV69 : I just found this OMG how funny. Don't like Rush just ban him! http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/ste...petition-ban-conservative-websites
28 Post contains images Dreadnought : Sorry Seb, it is the left that historically has a problem with speech that they disagree with.
29 seb146 : Huh? When? Where? It is just coincidince that you have the exact same opinion as the tea people and right-wing, but that has nothing to do with the f
30 Post contains images Ken777 : Didn't see any medical professions in your profile. How did you become an expert on the wide range of meds a Parkinson' patient bay be prescribed/ At
31 Post contains links Dreadnought : Here's one of the more recent ones, sponsored by Media Matters. http://dropfox.com/ There are tons of them. Google "Boycott Fox News" and you'll get
32 Post contains images Ken777 : Actually Nick's heart has been warming recently - we even agree on some things. Actually that fact a,one might scare people! The GOP far out guns and
33 Post contains links NIKV69 : Huh? What are you talking about? What opinion is this? Actually it's funny but my views are basically in line with Rudy Giuliani and Andrew Cuomo in
34 fr8mech : Hey, you did a nice job at deflection here. But, just because Rush did something, does that mean Ed can do something? Speaking of Rush...what if Rush
35 Mir : To debate their positions, or to be yelled at, ridiculed, put down, etc.? -Mir
36 Dreadnought : To debate. Duh. But you can be sure that if you try to filibuster and avoid the questions, or outright lie (such as when O'Reilly famously interviewe
37 seb146 : Funny how the right wing has journalists and the "left" has liars....
38 NIKV69 : Who is saying this? The topic of this thread is how Ed Schultz got suspended for using a female slur unprovoked. Nobody said idiots like Beck and Lev
39 Mir : Hannity hasn't had a real debate since Colmes left. Journalists are also not supposed to bring their own bias to an interview. I too want journalists
40 Geezer : P.S. Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd are directly responsible for the "fiasco" created in the housing market by "Fanny Mae" and "Freddie Mac", whic
41 Ken777 : There is a difference these days between journalists and commentators and cable has used commentators to fill a lot of empty space. Frank & Dodd
42 seb146 : Actually, it all started because FOX made deals to be on basic cable and bump everyone else with any center or left leaning opinions to premium cable
43 Post contains images Dreadnought : There is a function for both. The lack of economic understanding and distortion of facts here is astounding, but the subject of other threads. Shall
44 Post contains images NIKV69 : Which is? You tried to propagate that my thread is saying all of the fringe right commentators never do the things the left ones do as far as lying a
45 Geezer : Oh, I see ! So Fox made deals with..........with who ? The "Devil" ? So the reason so many people watch O'Reilly is because Fox made some "deal" with
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