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AF447: Final A.NET Crackpot Report  
User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 389 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
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I wanted to make this post in one of the AF447 investigation threads, but the threads were locked so I'm posting this separately here. (As an aside I would personally like to continue the technical A.NET discussion on AF447 somewhere. Where?)

Anyway, here's the report. Enjoy, and do not take it too seriously:

FINAL REPORT

A.NET INVESTIGATIVE AGENCY (AIA)
DEPARTMENT OF CONSPIRACIES AND HIDDEN AGENDAS (DOCAHA)

ACCIDENT INFORMATION

Date of accident: 1st June 2009 at around 2 h 15(1)
Site of accident: Near the TASIL point in international waters, Atlantic Ocean
Type of flight: International public transport of passengers, scheduled flight AF447
Aircraft: Airbus A330-203, registered F-GZCP, owner and operator Air France
Persons on board: Flight crew: 3, cabin crew: 9, passengers: 216

SYNOPSIS

228 innocent people are dead. While this is unfortunate, accident investigations can help guide the aviation industry to better practices and safer equipment. After several hours of painstaking research on various Internet sources and chat rooms, the AIA has reached a conclusion about the ultimate cause of this accident. The cause and recommendations from the AIA use this opportunity to reiterate the preferences and prejudices from the DOCAHA regarding certain aircraft manufacturers and airlines.

ESTABLISHED FACTS

As everyone knows, unlike real aircraft, Airbus aircraft are controlled by computers. The pilots cannot override the computers, and those computers may be get input from bad sensor data. The initiating sequence of events in this accident was the failure of the speed sensors or so called pitot tubes. There was nothing that the crew could do in this situation. Secret material from the parts of the CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder) not released by BEA (accident investigation agency of France) indicates that the crew tried to remove the computers and build a Boeing 727 cockpit from the parts, but unfortunately they run out of time to complete the task before the aircraft crashed.

Air France maintenance procedures leave a lot to be desired. Photographic evidence below shows that they do not keep their aircraft clean.


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It is also well known that Air France requires their crews to fly ultra-long haul missions without sufficient fuel loads. This prevents the crews to make necessary deviations. For instance, the AF447 flight would not have crashed in sea, had it been able to use one of the transatlantic land routes.

Even more serious is that as reported by an Australian newspaper, Air France procedures allow inexperienced "baby pilots" to pilot planes while the Air France captains take their union mandated sleep.

Finally, the vertical fin of an Airbus plane is susceptible to being detached in flight. It is not known if this happened with AF447, but there is plenty of credible evidence that it may happen. For instance, the members of the AIA were in a bar last week with some pilots, and one of them believed that the NTSB (accident investigation board of the USA) conclusions about AA 587 accident in New York were flawed. Similarly, in many recent accidents, including AF 447 and the Perpignan A320 the fin is seen detached, proving beyond doubt that it came off.



The AIA would also like to express its dissatisfaction with the investigative process performed by BEA. As is well known, BEA investigations are solely performed by Airbus personnel. This makes it possible for the investigation process to focus on assigning blame outside Airbus and Air France. Evidence of this bias is clearly visible in many of the past investigations which placed fault in someone else than Airbus. This happened with the Habsheim A320 crash, for instance. In the AF 447 investigation the BEA has on purpose withdrawn information and delayed the investigation. The only reason for two year delay for recovering the remains of the aircraft was for divers to plant falsified FDR (Flight Data Recorder) and CVR units in the bottom of the sea.

PROBABLE CAUSE

The accident was caused by inadequate speed sensor design and faulty Airbus fly-by-wire computer design. Contributing factors include substandard maintenance procedures at Air France, and airline policies to force crews to embark on dangerous missions. In addition, had the aircraft not crashed when it did, its vertical fin would soon have detached, causing a crash.

RECOMMENDATIONS

Flying, buying, and expressing admiration for Airbus aircraft should be avoided. As is well known, Airbus aircraft are plasticy replicas of real airplanes, and they are bought only through the excessive EU government subsidies.

In addition, the AIA would like to make the following specific recommendations to improve future commercial airline operations.

  • 1. The FDR systems should be augmented with real-time data upload to A.NET so that we can get live coverage from important accident events.

  • 2. Captains that take a rest period during a flight should avoid sleeping in their underwear, as putting on the clothes will delay the important entrance to the cockpit to save the aircraft.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

Hmm, tl;dr but from what I did read, it seems kind of out of taste/too soon. I'd be careful with this one, I'm sure you don't have bad intentions but it seems like you're joking a bit too much with this disaster.


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User currently offlinephotopilot From Cuba, joined Jul 2002, 2418 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):
Captains that take a rest period during a flight should avoid sleeping in their underwear, as putting on the clothes will delay the important entrance to the cockpit to save the aircraft.

What delays the Captain is getting off the stewardess before putting his clothes on!  

User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 5880 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (12 months 17 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

I normally hate this kind of joke thing.. BUT... given the God knows how many posts have been made in circles on the topic (from the good, to the damn right ridiculous)... I have to say, I laughed reading this... but am sure a better humored report is called for after the current CivAv discussion reaches part 10!   

Mandala499


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 3807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 months 1 hour ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
it seems kind of out of taste/too soon

I'm a firm believer in not believing in such silly things as "too soon". If it can be funny 10 years from now, it can be funny today. But that's for a different thread.

On with this one: (Warning: if you think the OP's jokes were in poor taste; ooohhhh boy.)

Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):
228 innocent people

226. At least 2 people were guilty of some heinous crime.

Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):
There was nothing that the crew could do in this situation.

Sure they could:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEIB4baOSd8

Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):

2. Captains that take a rest period during a flight should avoid sleeping in their underwear, as putting on the clothes will delay the important entrance to the cockpit to save the aircraft.

So they should sleep naked? Or did TSA ban PJs larger than 3.4 feet from airplanes?


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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (12 months 1 hour ago) and read 1885 times:
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Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 4):
I'm a firm believer in not believing in such silly things as "too soon". If it can be funny 10 years from now, it can be funny today. But that's for a different thread.

      

Everyone is so quick to get offended about anything and everything. It's ridiculous.

If you don't like it, don't read it!

That said, overall, I give the whole thing a B. However, these particular parts made me laugh:

Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):
1. The FDR systems should be augmented with real-time data upload to A.NET so that we can get live coverage from important accident events.
Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):
Secret material from the parts of the CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder) not released by BEA (accident investigation agency of France) indicates that the crew tried to remove the computers and build a Boeing 727 cockpit from the parts, but unfortunately they run out of time to complete the task before the aircraft crashed.

   A+ (made me laugh out loud)

Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):
Air France maintenance procedures leave a lot to be desired. Photographic evidence below shows that they do not keep their aircraft clean.
Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):
For instance, the AF447 flight would not have crashed in sea, had it been able to use one of the transatlantic land routes.
Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):
Similarly, in many recent accidents, including AF 447 and the Perpignan A320 the fin is seen detached, proving beyond doubt that it came off.
Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):
In addition, had the aircraft not crashed when it did, its vertical fin would soon have detached, causing a crash.



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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 1686 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 months 1 hour ago) and read 1883 times:

Quoting AirlineCritic (Thread starter):

Aren't you forgetting something?:

"And they were Frenchmen!"


 

[Edited 2011-05-31 00:36:55]


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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1144 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 months ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
it seems kind of out of taste/too soon.

Everything should be ridiculed, nothing is ever too soon IMHO. Laughing about serious stuff like this helps dealing with it and also makes you put things in perspective. Also a very large amount of posts in CivAv about this topic are what I call tasteless, this doesn't even come close AND it makes me chuckle.

My boss got diagnosed with prostate cancer, luckily very early stage and he has been operated. The running gag is now that we ask him to carry stuff or when somebody needs help lifting something heavy we'll ask him. Of course, we all know he'll pee his pants if he tries. Cancer is no joke, but living with the uncertainty of possible new tumors and of course all the physical restraints, it helps just laughing about it.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 4):
I'm a firm believer in not believing in such silly things as "too soon".


[Edited 2011-05-31 01:25:40]


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User currently offlineGingerSnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 687 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Ach some people look for an excuse to be offended by something.

Good post OP...some amusing points.


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User currently offlineairplaneaddict From United States of America, joined May 2010, 11 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

This was pretty amusing and the OP did a excellent job with it.

User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

It's amusing yes...

I'm not offended, but I would rather the site be used to educate people so that they don't end up thinking like the joke post....

making fun of people is one thing, losing them to conspiracy and such is another, this site should be to gain people into the industry and to improve the quality of aviation around the world...

I know some of you say if you don't like it don't read it....well first off you have to read it to know if you like it, so that's flawed, and also, ignoring something doesn't make it ok, and it doesn't make it right  

Post something equally as educating as humorous, then it's go over better  


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User currently offlineBabybus From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3228 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

I think you summed up the entire state of European aviation in a nutshell. Accurate and very insightful.

Well done.   


and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

The joke is not against the victims of this crash, but more to satire or make fun of the sometimes totally off the wall or ignorant thinking of some who post here. One other problem is that some get so locked into their pet theroies, so absolutly convinced about them, they further perpertrate further wacky theories and endless discussions into black holes.

As to the joke post, it ignored an attack by space aliens or space junk.

User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4271 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Hello my friends, it's me again, greetings from Down Under!   

Pilotaydin, mate, the same thing happened to me when I was flying a Sopwith Camel! What? Did you say A330? Not a problem, same thing happened to me when we were fighting the Russkies in my Tiger Moth! Pihero, I sure am glad I did my bit to save Europe form the Huns. Wait, that leads me to another unrelated topic - my great grandfather was hoisted up in a kite when Genghis Khan invaded the Caucasus! Brave man, he was the first Human Glider. No CRM in the good old days, Zeke...

Kairaihi, I know you want to kill yourself, but as they say, "See you in the next life!"

Well, guys, cheerio and it's time for my Horlicks. I've had a long day 'thinking out of the box' but it's obvious what caused the crash - hint, where was the 'aeroplane' built  

User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1615 times:
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Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 10):
making fun of people is one thing, losing them to conspiracy and such is another, this site should be to gain people into the industry and to improve the quality of aviation around the world...

If it were educational and improving, it'd be in Tech/Ops. There is already a long and informative thread about the crash in that forum.

This is NonAv.

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 10):
I know some of you say if you don't like it don't read it....well first off you have to read it to know if you like it, so that's flawed, and also, ignoring something doesn't make it ok, and it doesn't make it right

I think the thread title: "AF447: Final A.NET Crackpot Report" sums up what you can expect pretty well....


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User currently offlinebj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Making light of a situation is fine but I do hope that you people realize how bad the timing is.

To be clear: I think the satirical accident report is pushing the envelope but not really that offending. However the timing is a bit unfortunate IMHO. What really gets me is the personalized jokes about the flight crew.

The very same people you are making jokes about are currently being retrieved from the ocean floor where they died two years ago and are being returned to their families. If I read this as a family member I would be going absolutely ballistic right now.

After an extended period of time making light of the situation is a normal way of life. However making the following comments about people who are currently being returned to their families is absolutely disgusting.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 2):
What delays the Captain is getting off the stewardess before putting his clothes on!
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 4):
226. At least 2 people were guilty of some heinous crime.
Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 6):
Aren't you forgetting something?:

"And they were Frenchmen!"

And before someone springs the if you don't like it, don't read it comment. Saying nothing is just as bad as participating.

So to sum it up:

Writing a satirical accident report: Pushes the envelope at this time but acceptable.
Making jokes about individual people that are currently being pulled up from the sea and returned to their family -> very tasteless.

[Edited 2011-06-01 04:21:57]

User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1144 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Quoting bj87 (Reply 15):
Making light of a situation is fine but I do hope that you people realize how bad the timing is.



I cannot disagree more with you, but I accept it is personal opinion. I hope people will make jokes about me or my death as soon as possible, it is not disrespecting, it is a very good way to deal with serious stuff. It's not ignoring the serious side, but it's all about seeing things in perspective, humor is the best way to do that IMHO.

My funeral will be a party, it will feature a lot of laughing, a lot of beer, loud happy dancing music and a lot of jokes on my expense.

Quoting bj87 (Reply 15):
However making the following comments about people who are currently being returned to their families is absolutely disgusting.



You're entitled to your opinion, but I do not agree.

I do agree it is disgusting to shout "PILOT ERROR" without having all the facts and/or the real final report or wanting to listen to the real CVR without any other reason than a morbid interest. But in the context of this fake Final report I absolutly do not think this is disgusting.

Quoting bj87 (Reply 15):

Writing a satirical accident report: Pushes the envelope at this time but acceptable.
Making jokes about individual people that are currently being pulled up from the sea and returned to their family -> very tasteless.



You are presenting your opinion as fact, I just want to make clear the above doesn't go for everyone.


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User currently offlinebj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 16):
You are presenting your opinion as fact, I just want to make clear the above doesn't go for everyone.

Didn't mean to make it sound like a fact. Point taken.

User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1487 times:
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Quoting ltbewr (Reply 12):
As to the joke post, it ignored an attack by space aliens or space junk.

Dang. Forgot that one.

Quoting comorin (Reply 13):
Hello my friends, it's me again, greetings from Down Under!

  

User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1435 times:
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Quoting bj87 (Reply 15):
Making light of a situation is fine but I do hope that you people realize how bad the timing is.

Anything is timed badly if someone says it is.

8 years down the road, I could say this same thread is badly timed, because it's the 10th anniversary of the crash.


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User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 1538 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

My sense of humor is much darker than this, so Ill refrain of adding more material....

Great thread, loved the 727 comment.... and the Anet relay info.... good ones!!

TRB


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