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"Whale Wars" / Sea Shepherd  
User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13468 posts, RR: 62
Posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1985 times:
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I happened to see parts of the "Whale Wars" series last night. Interesting group.

While I don't agree with commercial whaling either, I have to admit that this group's tactics seem...well...shady.

What do you guys think? Heroes or misguided do-gooders?


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User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Having watched all the seasons. They are idiots. No one knows what they are doing and it really amazes me they haven't killed anyone yet.

Personally I view them as pirates. Protesting is fine but throwing projectiles and boarding vessels is in the realm of piracy.

take a little gander here.
http://seashepherdlies.com/


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
While I don't agree with commercial whaling either, I have to admit that this group's tactics seem...well...shady.

How? They are trying to stop the slaugther of whales since Austrailia won't enforce the law. What is shady? They use donations and volunteers to try to stop whaling. I just wish they would get more aggressive and sink one of the Japanese boats. What the Japanese vessels are doing is disgusting.

[Edited 2011-06-04 12:15:38]

User currently offlinethomfly757 From United Kingdom, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

The Japanese whaling fleet says they are catching whales for "research", but to say they need 50 humpback whales per season for this is also "shady". And these 50 whales are only humpbacks, they are catching hundereds of other types of whale. To my knowledge that is against regulations...    Love the show aswell  


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting thomfly757 (Reply 3):
The Japanese whaling fleet says they are catching whales for "research", but to say they need 50 humpback whales per season for this is also "shady". And these 50 whales are only humpbacks, they are catching hundereds of other types of whale. To my knowledge that is against regulations... Love the show aswell

Yep they slaughter the Minke whale too. Research my rear end it's a smoke screen and the whole country of Japan should be ashamed about this behavior. I am glad someone is doing something. Like I said I justs hope they ramp it up in fact as things progress it will escalate till someone is hurt of killed and a vessel goes down.


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2706 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
Heroes or misguided do-gooders?

Neither they are terrorist and how they have survived without being arrested as terrorists is beyond me. The Japanese should send warships with their Whaling fleet to protect it.

Quoting thomfly757 (Reply 3):
To my knowledge that is against regulations

Whose regulations?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
since Austrailia won't enforce the law

They are in International waters far from Australia.



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User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

They are a bunch of clueless amateurs that make OK entertainment by making complete fools of themselves. Calling them pirates is giving them way too much credit.

I support whaling as long as it's sustainable, but the Japanese aren't fooling anyone by the research banner. They should call a spade a spade and say it's commercial. Minke whale is absolutely deliciuos. You should try it some time.



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User currently offlinethomfly757 From United Kingdom, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 5):
Whose regulations?

This should help you...
http://www.seashepherd.org/who-we-are/laws-and-charters.html

[Edited 2011-06-04 12:35:32]


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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't like the whole whaling thing the Japanese do, but to basically be a rag-tag group of pirates chasing them around is the wrong thing to do, IMO.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2706 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

The one thing that many do not realise though is that Japan has called off Whaling for now becausee the infrastructure was wiped out by the tsunami. The tsunami did what years of Sea Shephard could not do. It is doubtful that Japan will spend the money to rebuld this industry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/asia/25whale.html?_r=1

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/japan-...aling/story-e6frea6u-1226007220054

[Edited 2011-06-04 12:43:16]


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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

These are eco-terrorists, plain and simple. If they ever get shot or severely injured I won't feel one bit of sympathy for them.

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

I think they do a splendid job. I do wish they would change their logo though. It looks a bit aggressive.

It's amazing how many people remain silent while innocent animals are slaughtered. Life is life. History has other sad references to silent slaughter.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 5):
Whose regulations?

The IWC. Which banned whaling in 1986.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 5):
They are in International waters far from Australia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7188674.stm

Quote:
I support whaling as long as it's sustainable

So you support exterminating a species or bringing it to the threat of? I have to say I am a little shocked. I value life a bit more I guess.

[Edited 2011-06-04 12:47:50]

User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13468 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1909 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
While I don't agree with commercial whaling either, I have to admit that this group's tactics seem...well...shady.

How? They are trying to stop the slaugther of whales since Austrailia won't enforce the law. What is shady?

Intentionally colliding your vessel with other ships doesn't strike you as being shady?



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User currently offlinethomfly757 From United Kingdom, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 11):

Completely agree with you there!   



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 9):
The one thing that many do not realise though is that Japan has called off Whaling for now becausee the infrastructure was wiped out by the tsunami

No I am well aware of this.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 9):
The tsunami did what years of Sea Shephard could not do.

No it did it quicker, given time and it will happen since Japan will resume whaling the Sea Shepherd will go to an extreme to protect whales from slaughter.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 9):
It is doubtful that Japan will spend the money to rebuld this industry.

Huh? It's too lucrative it will return.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
Intentionally colliding your vessel with other ships doesn't strike you as being shady?

I think you should look up the word "shady" These people are not putting themselves in harms way for any sort of angle or personal gain. They are tyring to protect a species from being illegally slaughtered. I don't call that shady I call that brave and inspirational.


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2706 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

They are still within the regualtions

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 5):
Whose regulations?

The IWC. Which banned whaling in 1986.



It cannot be a whaling commission if it bans whaling. That would be the anti-whaling commission. Did the US follow the Kyoto treaty ?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 5):
They are in International waters far from Australia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-paci...4.stm



You do realise that they are whaling no where near Australia. That this is a mythical sanctuary..How about if some world commission claims the whole Gulf of Mexico as a Grouper sanctuary. Or the Grand Banks are made a Cod sanctuary? Sorry it is International waters.



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2706 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
I think you should look up the word "shady" These people are not putting themselves in harms way for any sort of angle or personal gain. They are tyring to protect a species from being illegally slaughtered. I don't call that shady I call that brave and inspirational




By endangering the lives of the Japanese Fisherman they are terrorist.

Quotas are the way to go. Let them catch what their country uses but not to sell internationally.



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2706 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 11):
It's amazing how many people remain silent while innocent animals are slaughtered. Life is life. History has other sad references to silent slaughter




Sorry but we are at the top of the food chain. Sustainable harvesting can be done.



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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13468 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
These people are not putting themselves in harms way for any sort of angle or personal gain.

If you asked Hamas or any other organization that supports strapping explosives to a person to blow up other people, they'd tell you the same thing.

Fact of the matter is they're intentionally endangering human lives - others' lives, not just their own - to achieve their ends.

No matter how noble their agenda, their methods are criminal. And they're lucky the Japanese haven't used weapons in self-defense.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 17):
By endangering the lives of the Japanese Fisherman they are terrorist.



No terrorists kill innocent people as a way to gain money or ideology. These fisherman are breaking the law and could care less if they exterminate a species of mammal as long as they make on a food considered a delicacy. If one of their ships goes down they more than deserve it.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 17):
Quotas are the way to go. Let them catch what their country uses but not to sell internationally.



Hmm it's becoming obvious you don't know about the Japanese whaling operation. If this was the case I would agree but sadly it is not. I don't want any species endangered. That includes whales.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 18):
Sorry but we are at the top of the food chain. Sustainable harvesting can be done.



Again there is no such thing. Japan would just kill to there was none left. That can not and will not happen.


User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

They are white liberal pirates plain and simple. At least the Somalians are doing it to better their lives (although I am not condoning piracy).

Quoting Babybus (Reply 11):
It's amazing how many people remain silent while innocent animals are slaughtered. Life is life. History has other sad references to silent slaughter.

So you're a vegetarian, eh?

And no, all life is not equal. Human life is more important than animal life, at least that is how it is viewed in all sensible societies. "History has other sad references to silent slaughter" -- Seriously? Are you actually trying to compare whaling to the Holocaust or other human genocides? Shame on you.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
So you support exterminating a species or bringing it to the threat of? I have to say I am a little shocked. I value life a bit more I guess.

Minke whale is in the 'Least Concerned' category of the International Union for Conservation of Nature ranking system. Their numbers are, at the very least according to IWC reports, around the 400,000 mark - although they have requested scientific studies be done in the Southern Hemisphere to determine precise numbers.

Whales are animals, while they may seem cute or harmless to some the fact is they are NOT human. Once their numbers are stable (and the Minke whales stocks are, arguably, fit for commercial hunting) why shouldn't we hunt them?

Do we want to endanger whale stocks, no, but don't tell me I can't enjoy a delicacy of my and many other countries because you think whales are your friends -- they aren't, they are wild animals.


User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Little more than Eco-terrorists. These guys are the al qaeda of the seas. That's not to say that I don't agree with what they're fighting for, I just don't agree with their methods.

User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

They are eco-terrorist turds. These idiots don't seem to have anything better to do than harass ships in international waters.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 11):
It's amazing how many people remain silent while innocent animals are slaughtered. Life is life. History has other sad references to silent slaughter.

We (humans) are at the top of the food chain..that's how it works.

Now...off to enjoy my tasty chicken sandwich...mmmm   



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5553 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

They're as brainwashed and dangerous as any fundamentalist religious sect, because they are a fundamentalist religious sect. They're also a bunch of morons who have no business driving a boat on the high seas, let alone conducting pirate-like operations.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):

How? They are trying to stop the slaugther of whales since Austrailia won't enforce the law.

THERE IS NO LAW. Australia has no jurisdiction over non-pirate activities conducted in international waters.

In fact, Australia would be justified in taking out these dumbasses. Throwing acid and boarding a vessel are the only illegal (and dangerous) activities being conducted.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 11):

It's amazing how many people remain silent while innocent animals are slaughtered.

That's because I'm too busy chewing my steak. After all, it's not nice to talk with your mouth full  

Seriously: Humans are omnivorous animals that dominate the food chain. Get over it.



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25 windy95 : They attempt to harm or even kill the fisherman with their methods for their ideology. They are terrorists. There is no such thing as sustainable har
26 NIKV69 : Hmmm Sure sounds like it. They hunt Fins too and they are endangered. Not to mention if this isn't addressed now Minke #s will suffer and then go awa
27 windy95 : Did you support the Kyoto treaty? Do you think the US should be handcuffed by every "world" moratorium? You can take more than a few every year from
28 BMI727 : Japan, as a sovereign state, can ignore or heed whatever moratoriums they wish, end of story. If other nations have a problem with it, there are acti
29 Aaron747 : Most people don't really care and don't understand what the fuss is about. The media is complicit in the silence and Japanese experts on TV insist th
30 NIKV69 : None of which will be attempted or would be effective. Hence what is happening now.
31 ltbewr : If these idiots trying to stop whaling were anywhere USA territorial waters, they would be treated as terrorists and indeed pirates. I also think any
32 BMI727 : No they won't. That is not an excuse for vigilantism, piracy, and eco-terrorism. No matter what moratoriums Japan or any other nation are heeding or
33 AF340 : Look, I am not defending the practices of the Japanese, I am only stating that sustainable shouldn't be considered so sacrosanct. It should be just l
34 PC12Fan : I admire the Japanese people and their culture. They are extremely intelligent. Which is what confuses me, because the Japanese figure things out very
35 NIKV69 : I love how they go as far as to put in big letters "Research" on their whaling ships. Nothing like taking people for ignarmaouses.
36 Post contains images Silver1SWA : They can't do ANYTHING right. What a bunch of morons. They can't accomplish anything without some sort of problem. Can't lower their small craft with
37 unattendedbag : Even Captain Paul Watson (Sea Shepherd) has said over and over that the Japanese whaling fleet has quotas. Every season, they mark their successes by
38 Mir : They're absolutely using them for research. Research that might someday answer questions like "how many whales is it possible for one boat to kill in
39 Post contains links BMI727 : Can't believe I forgot this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qST5eVLudrQ
40 stealthz : What laws are Australia supposed to enforce? The Japanese whalers operate well outside Australian territorial waters , well outside the Australian Ec
41 AirTran737 : I love watching Whale Wars. These people are absolute idiots who can't tell their asshole from a hole in the wall. While I support whale preservation,
42 Post contains images Baroque : Good grief. Excellent summaries of what is wrong with Japanese whaling. Resumes fainted position on floor. Not sure if you mentioned the Peter Bethun
43 Maverick623 : Wow. You must have passed the 40 replies after the one you quoted. THERE IS NO LAW TO ENFORCE. End of story.
44 stabilator : After viewing both seasons,I find myself, like many others, dumbstruck none of them have been killed. Their inflatables are always either running out
45 NIKV69 : Finally got a chance to take in the new season. WOW, they got a new boat that looks awesome and they named it after Godzilla (Gojira) just to cheese o
46 aerorobnz : Yes they are. Yes they are Pirates too... which also makes them a form of terrorist. Yes they should on occasion just to see what really happens betw
47 Baroque : Indeed not, but Nik was pretty accurate and noting agreement with Nik is always worth a bit of bandwidth. No point in replying to the rants. And abou
48 aerorobnz : Definitely the case for NZ... Whale is too expensive as an everyday meat for most anyway.
49 windy95 : But we already know the outcome so not much excitement there. No Sea Shepherd ships get sliced in half so I will have to pass.
50 Post contains images stealthz : Damn shame!! Back to the discussion. I have read over several years that the Japanese are not all that fond of whale meat and it has no real historic
51 garpd : I say 100 Japanese whalers should be torpedoed per annum.... for research of course.
52 Post contains images CXB77L : What law? What right has Australia got to determine what other sovereign nations do in international waters? Australia's jurisdiction over the Southe
53 bj87 : Well with all that is going on I doubt they will make whale hunting a priority anytime soon. But I do agree there is a good chance they aren't going
54 Baroque : Just for form's sake, I will propose an alternative system of non-lethal sampling for age profiles. Rather than take biopsies with projectiles, we co
55 BMI727 : Even in that case, the law is only the law if it is imposed by the state. Any state can disregard any international law they choose to and any reacti
56 Baroque : Have a look at the shelf to the NW of Australia, check it against major gas fields and then wonder if Australia would not enforce a more extended ver
57 Post contains links FlyDeltaJets87 : One of my favorite episodes of South Park is the one where they make fun of "Whale Wars" South Park - Whale Whores Personally I think both sides are s
58 Maverick623 : Sure... if you want to start a war. Again, there is no "law" on the high seas. Any act of aggression can be considered an act of war. What's the ICJ
59 Springbok747 : I still don't get what the fuss is..the Japanese eat whales so they harvest them, although the whole doing it for research thing is absolute bullcrap,
60 NIKV69 : Actually it is. Animals for consumption are conceived, born and raised by the farms and their numbers are never in danger. Whales are quite different
61 Aaron747 : Most people I know who have tried it have nothing fond to speak of it. And most people can't afford it even if they wanted to try it.
62 Springbok747 : Minke whales are not endangered..in fact they are in the 'least concern' category..so unless Japan whales hundreds of thousands of them, there is no
63 KingairTA : If the Japanease weren't eating the meat en masse then tell my why is dolphin meat labled and sold as "whale" For a little biased info on that watch t
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