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Lincoln Rumored To Market New Sports Car?  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Ford Motor Company is rumored to be studying a proposal for Lincoln’s next flagship - which Road & Track magazine is proposing to be a lightweight, midengine two-seater along the lines of the Ford GT supercar. For Lincoln to effectively compete with its rivals in the luxury segment, it needs a sleek flagship that attracts a lot of attention from new buyers as a "halo" vehicle for the entire LIncoln brand. One example is a Lincoln that’s capable of going 200 mph. Performance was the focus in developing the recent Ford GT (model year 2005 and 2006) but it’s thought that this Lincoln model will be sophisticated and will be utilized as a rolling showcase of high technology.

This Lincoln flagship/sports car will possibly receive a supercharged version of Ford's "Ecoboost" V-6 with a rumored 400 horsepower and all wheel drive (similiar to the current Taurus SHO sport sedan (in which the twin-turbo V-6 makes 365 horsepower, but the Lincoln will use a supercharger instead of twin-turbochargers). There were reports in the automotive press in 2010 that Lincoln was prepared to introduce 7 new or heavily revamped vehicles within the next three model years, according to Ford/Lincoln senior management's comments to Lincoln's dealers. What Lincoln management think can save the brand from extinction and get positive headlines from the automotive press is if Lincoln installs advanced technology that isn't available in ANY Ford-branded vehicles. Ford's global product czar said last spring that Lincoln is set to receive technology that will be exclusive to it. He said that upcoming Lincolns will feature electronics and technology that give it a unique design and interior. He also stated that a two-seat Lincoln isn’t far off.

In fact, this isn't the first time Lincoln has tried to market a sports car. Lincoln-Mercury dealers sold the midengine, two-seat (and problematic) De Tomaso Pantera from 1971 to 1975, which featured a 351 cubic inch Ford V-8 engine. In addition, Audi offers the R8 sports car and Mercedes-Benz has the SLS AMG. Cadillac had recently considered building the mid-engine, two-seat Cien concept sports car, but the Corvette based XLR sports convertible's failure in the North American marketplace killed that idea. Cadillac is now bringing the stunningly gorgeous Converj electric coupe (aka "the electric Eldorado") to market, leveraging the technology and drivetrain of the Chevy Volt instead.

Source: http://www.roadandtrack.com/special-report/ford-s-next-supercar

[Edited 2011-06-04 23:33:33]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

The last time Lincoln made a hot-rod, it drove people to drinkin'....

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
There were reports in the automotive press in 2010 that Lincoln was prepared to introduce 7 new or heavily revamped vehicles within the next three model years, according to Ford/Lincoln senior management's comments to Lincoln's dealers.

I hope the Continental concept from 2004 is one of these seven.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XYnMu28ylU4/TPTVrtsWydI/AAAAAAAAANY/KZy1-ijFU7o/s1600/Lincoln-Continental_Concept_2002_800x600_wallpaper_01.jpg



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

I am all in favor of a Lincoln sports car, like a sort of modern day Pantera. That said, I'd probably rather see something more like a modern Continental to go up against the Bentley Continental (as much as I criticize the bloated thing), Maserati Quattroporte, Porsche Panamera and Mercedes CL. Maybe splice two Ecoboosts together to make a V-12, include suicide doors, and put a price tag in the $150,000-200,000 range.


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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford Motor Company is rumored to be studying a proposal for Lincoln’s next flagship -

Okay...

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
which Road & Track magazine is proposing to be a lightweight, midengine two-seater along the lines of the Ford GT supercar.

        

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
For Lincoln to effectively compete with its rivals in the luxury segment, it needs a sleek flagship that attracts a lot of attention from new buyers as a "halo" vehicle for the entire LIncoln brand.

Agreed. However, Lincoln's fortunes started slipping when they stopped building luxurious sedans with crisp, razor-edged styling and began branching out into the pickup truck/SUV market and ignoring their long standing core market. A mid-engined two-seater is possibly the only market traditional Lincoln buyers are less interested in than pickup trucks and SUVs. Cadillac tried twice to market a sporty two-seater; While the second effort was a lot better than the first, both were massive and expensive flops in the marketplace... there's a lesson to be learned there.

If Ford wants to attract people to Lincoln showrooms that might actually buy Lincolns with a "halo" vehicle, then they need a "halo" vehicle that represents the better qualities of other Lincolns, and they could do a lot worse than to introduce a REAL Mark XI:
Resurrect the Lincoln LS chassis (most of which is still in production as the Mustang), clothe it in a two-door body with styling that is instantly recognizable as a Lincoln (about 25% Lincoln Mark V and 75% Aston-Martin Lagonda, which looked like nothing more than a futuristic Lincoln Town Car years before Ford bought Aston-Martin) from any angle, give it a big enough trunk to hold four full golf bags, and make it available in something besides the drab, dull shades (they're not even real "colors" anymore, they're just "shades" ) that have taken over the luxury car market the last few years.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
include suicide doors

As someone who owned a '69 Lincoln sedan with suicide doors, I have to say that's not such a great idea. While suicide doors are distinctive and look cool, they suffer on the practicality side. There is no dignified way to exit the rear seat of a modern car with suicide rear doors, and any lady doing so while wearing a dress stands a very good chance of pulling a "Britney Spears" and giving an impromptu peep show to anyone who happens to be looking in her direction. While such peep shows might be fine for young ingenues like Britney Spears or Lindsay Lohan, they're something the female members of the local Junior League and/or Country Club usually try to avoid when arriving at social events.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
I am all in favor of a Lincoln sports car, like a sort of modern day Pantera. That said, I'd probably rather see something more like a modern Continental to go up against the Bentley Continental (as much as I criticize the bloated thing), Maserati Quattroporte,

Agreed. I've been saying that at this site for years.

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
Lincoln's fortunes started slipping when they stopped building luxurious sedans with crisp, razor-edged styling and began branching out into the pickup truck/SUV market and ignoring their long standing core market.

  
Luxury and truck/SUV does not mix. Rover and Toyota can pull it off but leave that market to those two brands.
All other luxury brand SUVs are classless, nouveau riche, tacky vehicles.

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
If Ford wants to attract people to Lincoln showrooms that might actually buy Lincolns with a "halo" vehicle, then they need a "halo" vehicle that represents the better qualities of other Lincolns, and they could do a lot worse than to introduce a REAL Mark XI:

You're skipping the IX and X.
The "halo" needs to be a luxury sedan.

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
Resurrect the Lincoln LS chassis (most of which is still in production as the Mustang), clothe it in a two-door body with styling that is instantly recognizable as a Lincoln (about 25% Lincoln Mark V and 75% Aston-Martin Lagonda, which looked like nothing more than a futuristic Lincoln Town Car years before Ford bought Aston-Martin) from any angle,

I drove past a Aston-Martin Lagonda the day I was moving from San Francisco last year. He saw me in my 1977 Lincoln Town Car and we saluted each other.

Quoting TSS (Reply 4):
any lady doing so while wearing a dress stands a very good chance of pulling a "Britney Spears" and giving an impromptu peep show to anyone who happens to be looking in her direction.

That's the point.  
Quoting TSS (Reply 4):
While such peep shows might be fine for young ingenues like Britney Spears or Lindsay Lohan, they're something the female members of the local Junior League and/or Country Club usually try to avoid when arriving at social events.

Cougars are in.   



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12966 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
Agreed. However, Lincoln's fortunes started slipping when they stopped building luxurious sedans with crisp, razor-edged styling and began branching out into the pickup truck/SUV market and ignoring their long standing core market. A mid-engined two-seater is possibly the only market traditional Lincoln buyers are less interested in than pickup trucks and SUVs. Cadillac tried twice to market a sporty two-seater; While the second effort was a lot better than the first, both were massive and expensive flops in the marketplace... there's a lesson to be learned there.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
All other luxury brand SUVs are classless, nouveau riche, tacky vehicles.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
The "halo" needs to be a luxury sedan.

All this brings up the question: What market is Lincoln trying to serve?

The problem with serving the "traditional Lincoln buyers" is that they are literally a dying breed, and it's not clear who replaces them.

The truck/SUV thing was a ploy to get younger buyers interested in Lincolns, and given that they were immensely profitable, it was worth a shot, IMHO.

I just took a look at their web site and all you see is re-badged Fords with garrish grills.

They look a bit loud to attract the previous generation of buyers, and a bit too cheezy to attract the next.

The only classy looking car on the site was the Town Car, but it's really hard to find a market for them these days.

I have to agree that a idea of a two-seat sports car is a failure waiting to happen.

I'm not surprised Ford is telling its Lincoln dealers it's going to plow money into the brand, but it better come up with some good ideas or it'll all be for naught.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 4):
There is no dignified way to exit the rear seat of a modern car with suicide rear doors, and any lady doing so while wearing a dress stands a very good chance of pulling a "Britney Spears" and giving an impromptu peep show to anyone who happens to be looking in her direction.

Perhaps, but that didn't stop Rolls-Royce.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
All other luxury brand SUVs are classless, nouveau riche, tacky vehicles.

Mercedes has been doing it quite well for years. And in a world where Escalades are a dime a dozen, the G-Class is the way to go for large luxurious SUVs. I bet those are nice for armoring too.

I think that Lincoln should keep the Navigator around, but make it less ugly and more differentiated from the Expedition. It shouldn't be too difficult now that they no longer need to worry about stepping on Land Rover.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

A "sports" car? From Lincoln, of all companies? This I got to see   

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12966 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
long standing core market

I did some more research on this and found the following interesting data:

Audi

Average Age of Owner: 49
Median Income: $183,601
4-Year College Degree: 31.66%

Mercedes-Benz

Average Age of Owner: 53
Median Income: $174,558
4-Year College Degree: 27.74%

BMW

Average Age of Owner: 49
Median Income: $169,289
4-Year College Degree: 29.07%

Lexus

Average Age of Owner: 56
Median Income: $141,745
4-Year College Degree: 26.45%

Cadillac

Average Age of Owner: 62
Median Income: $129,656
4-Year College Degree: 21.90%

Lincoln

Average Age of Owner: 62
Median Income: $113,782
4-Year College Degree: 25.47%

Ref: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_20/b4178023174411.htm

So both the US luxury brands are mostly attracting retirement-age buyers with less income to spend than their non-US rivals.

They both need to find a way to access the younger, more affluent buyers.

Personally, I think this 'halo' sportscar is a total waste of money.

What Ford has to do is improve their core products in general so they can actually form the basis of a premium car, and then make sure to have lots of value-add that's exclusive to the Lincoln so they can make people want the Lincoln instead of settling on the cheaper Ford.

They need to make their products attractive to the folks who've finished paying for the house and have sent the kids to college and want to buy an exciting car as payback for all those years driving the minivan and have the income to support it.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
Personally, I think this 'halo' sportscar is a total waste of money.

   Agreed.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
If Ford wants to attract people to Lincoln showrooms that might actually buy Lincolns with a "halo" vehicle, then they need a "halo" vehicle that represents the better qualities of other Lincolns, and they could do a lot worse than to introduce a REAL Mark XI:

You're skipping the IX and X.
The "halo" needs to be a luxury sedan.

   Lincoln's primary (or halo) vehicle has traditionally been a sedan.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
So both the US luxury brands are mostly attracting retirement-age buyers with less income to spend than their non-US rivals.

Of the import brands you listed; only Mercedes has made large 'luxury' cars as long (if not longer) than Cadillac and Lincoln. Lexus has only been around since 1990, and BMW & Audi were originally associated with smaller and/or sporty cars.

IMHO, part of that reason may be that they're old enough to remember when Cadillac and Lincoln were essentially the only luxury brands around or were relatively easily obtainable; Mercedes were probably much harder to get decades ago than today.

When younger buyers started seeking greater interest in small Audis, BMWs and even Toyotas in the 70s; Audi; BMW and Toyota, to their credit, realized that when these younger buyers would get older, have families that they would eventually be looking for something larger (and in Toyota's case, more luxurious) than their present offerings. As a result, they started making larger sedans within their own brand (Audi & BMW) or launched a spearate luxury brand (Lexus off of Toyota) to accomdodate then-future demand and the rest is history.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
What Ford has to do is improve their core products in general so they can actually form the basis of a premium car, and then make sure to have lots of value-add that's exclusive to the Lincoln so they can make people want the Lincoln instead of settling on the cheaper Ford.

   IMHO, Lincoln totally missed the mark with their newest offerings. While they purposely styled the MKS sedan and MKT cross-over to look different enough from their Taurus and Flex bretheren; both of those Lincoln models seem to fall short on the interior/cargo space department despite sitting on the same wheelbase and having similar overall lengths and widths as their Ford counterparts.

In short, one is basically paying more money for a less-roomy Lincoln than they would for a like-platformed Ford. Deal-Breaker/Epic Fail right there! While Lincoln has platformed-shared with many of its Ford (& Mercury) bretheren for decades; the MKS & MKT are the first vehicles among Lincolns that have this short-coming. Maybe somebody at Lincoln will realize that the past full-size Town Cars/Continentals were always larger than their Ford/mercury counterparts FOR A REASON.

To be fair, Lincoln has done okay w/its other cloned-vehicles (MKZ, MKX, Navigator); but the Town Car is clearly the company's main staple vehicle.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):

I hope the Continental concept from 2004 is one of these seven.

   One could only hope.
Side Bar: in a twist-of-fate, the 2011 Town Car has a "Continental" edition model available. The package includes chrome door frames and "Continental" badging among items.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
Lincoln's fortunes started slipping when they stopped building luxurious sedans with crisp, razor-edged styling and began branching out into the pickup truck/SUV market and ignoring their long standing core market.

Luxury and truck/SUV does not mix.

In the pick-up truck market, absolutely (Lincoln twice proved that); however, like it or not, both Lincoln & Cadillac managed to pull it off in the SUV department. As a matter of fact, the main reason WHY Cadillac launched its Escalade in the first place was because of the sales success of the Lincoln Navigator. They (Cadillac) originally weren't planning on making an SUV for themselves.

Nonetheless, it is kind of sad that after this year; the only RWD-based, V8-powered vehicles wearing Cadillac and Lincoln badges will be just the Escalade and Navigator.

One could argue that Lincoln's neglect of the Town Car (its bread-and-butter vehicle) was primarily because of Ford Motor Company's buying and persuing other import brands (Jaguar, Volvo, Rover), not so much because of the Navigator.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Quoting TSS (Reply 4):
There is no dignified way to exit the rear seat of a modern car with suicide rear doors, and any lady doing so while wearing a dress stands a very good chance of pulling a "Britney Spears" and giving an impromptu peep show to anyone who happens to be looking in her direction.

Perhaps, but that didn't stop Rolls-Royce.

And how many Rolls-Royces are out there compared to the number of Lincolns?



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

By the time a Lincoln buyer gets to the point where they can afford it they can no longer get in or out of the designs being floated around.  

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
Side Bar: in a twist-of-fate, the 2011 Town Car has a "Continental" edition model available. The package includes chrome door frames and "Continental" badging among items.

Now isn't that something. I have a Lincoln Continental "Town Car" edition.   
Glad they're doing something special for the final year of the Town Car.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
One could only hope.

The Global Warming hysteria is showing signs of fading away and it looks like the Republicans will keep Congress and win the Senate next year. Hopefully CAFE laws will be repealed. Since Ford didn't need any bailout money, they should broker a deal that would exempt the brand or have the restrictive law scrapped. That said, Ford would have more flexibility to make cars that people want and be more competitive against the import brands.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
And how many Rolls-Royces are out there compared to the number of Lincolns?

Not that many. But then, how many $200,000 Lincolns are you going to sell?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
By the time a Lincoln buyer gets to the point where they can afford it they can no longer get in or out of the designs being floated around.

Ideally, such a car would function to bring the average age down. Otherwise, having a top speed over forty is a waste.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
Glad they're doing something special for the final year of the Town Car.

I wonder what it will be. Come with a special edition Continental walker? Maybe a folding table for playing bridge? Or how about an in-car entertainment system pre-loaded with every episode of Matlock?



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User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
However, Lincoln's fortunes started slipping when they stopped building luxurious sedans with crisp, razor-edged styling

I can't recall when they ever built anything but adaptations of cheaper Ford frames with a lot of chrome.

Bling does not a luxury care make.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
That said, I'd probably rather see something more like a modern Continental to go up against the Bentley Continental (as much as I criticize the bloated thing), Maserati Quattroporte, Porsche Panamera and Mercedes CL

As should Cadillac. But for many many years the idea of a "luxury car" in the US has been softly sprung land yachts based on Chevys and Fords with added chrome and leather, and the road-handling skills of a herniated hippo.

In the past few years however Cadillac has made some pretty amazing cars that go beyond the re-badged Chevy image, like the CTS-V, but the styling is gruesome - way too much bling factor.

A true luxury car should ooze sophistication and development - when you drive you should feel that the engine is perfect, that the suspension is perfect, whether you are cruising a boulevard or weaving through country lanes. It should amaze the owner that it's a car that does everything better, and should feel as solid as a battleship.

Taking a $25K Ford Taurus and plastering it with chrome does not justify a luxury tag.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
And how many Rolls-Royces are out there compared to the number of Lincolns?

Not that many. But then, how many $200,000 Lincolns are you going to sell?

The point I was trying to make is that given the limited number of Rolls Royces made; having one or two models that have the suicide-doors and their related-issues is not really as big of a deal as say a manufacturer that places them on a much more mass-produced model.

Guess on my part; the main reasons WHY Lincoln dropped them after 1969 was due to cost and due to a possible/potential ban on them for safety issues that never materialized.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
Taking a $25K Ford Taurus and plastering it with chrome does not justify a luxury tag.

Especially if it's less roomy than its Ford counterpart.

BTW, you might want to tell that to Lexus with regards to its Toyota Camry-based ES model. 



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):

Have anything meaningful to add to the discussion?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
I wonder what it will be.

PHLBOS already said; "The package includes chrome door frames and "Continental" badging among items."  



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
Guess on my part; the main reasons WHY Lincoln dropped them after 1969 was due to cost and due to a possible/potential ban on them for safety issues that never materialized.

While those might have been considerations, I suspect the main reason for the switch to conventionally-hinged rear doors was that it allowed both the tail end of the rear door aperture and the rear seat to be moved further rearward relative to the rear axle and wheel wells, thus allowing for greater rear seat leg room within roughly the same wheelbase and overall length.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 17):
I suspect the main reason for the switch to conventionally-hinged rear doors was that it allowed both the tail end of the rear door aperture and the rear seat to be moved further rearward relative to the rear axle and wheel wells, thus allowing for greater rear seat leg room within roughly the same wheelbase and overall length.

Fair enough.

Although it should be noted that the wheelbase of the 1970 Lincoln was 6 inches longer than its Ford counterpart (3 inches longer than most of the full-size Mercurys); that definitely helped in the legroom department.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
Although it should be noted that the wheelbase of the 1970 Lincoln was 6 inches longer than its Ford counterpart (3 inches longer than most of the full-size Mercurys); that definitely helped in the legroom department.

However, the '70 Lincoln's wheelbase (127") was only one inch longer than the '69 Lincoln's (126"). During the time I owned my '69 Lincoln I also owned a '71 Mercury Marquis, and even though the Marquis had a 2 inch shorter wheelbase than the Lincoln it was noticeably more roomy in the rear seat legroom department.

Off-topic and probably only of interest to Superfly and PHLBOS, but...
That '71 Marquis would also run rings around the '69 Lincoln in the handling department, no doubt due to the Marquis' +/-650 pound lighter curb weight and much more advanced rear suspension design. Not that the Lincoln had any particular handling vices per se; it was just, as they say in the car magazines "an unwilling dance partner", exhibiting at even the slightest turn a "Must you? Okay, if you insist..." attitude. Every time I see the scene in Interview With The Vampire where Lestat waltzes with Claudia's mother's corpse, I'm forcefully reminded of what it was like to drive my '69 Lincoln.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12966 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
Come with a special edition Continental walker? Maybe a folding table for playing bridge? Or how about an in-car entertainment system pre-loaded with every episode of Matlock?

Built-in Poilident denture cleaner?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
But for many many years the idea of a "luxury car" in the US has been softly sprung land yachts based on Chevys and Fords with added chrome and leather, and the road-handling skills of a herniated hippo.

Well said. I like direct road feedback. I don't like having to guess what's going on between me and the road.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
Taking a $25K Ford Taurus and plastering it with chrome does not justify a luxury tag.

Indeed not, and that's what Ford has been trying to foist off on their customers.

Driving down the road today, looking at a lot of cars going buy, folks that might have been Lincoln customers in the past seem to be buying Lexus instead, from what I can tell.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
having one or two models that have the suicide-doors and their related-issues is not really as big of a deal as say a manufacturer that places them on a much more mass-produced model.

That's exactly what Lincoln should do. Only do the suicide doors on the flagship. It would probably cause a lot of engineering headaches on vehicles that share platforms with others.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 19):
Off-topic and probably only of interest to Superfly and PHLBOS, but...
That '71 Marquis would also run rings around the '69 Lincoln in the handling department, no doubt due to the Marquis' +/-650 pound lighter curb weight and much more advanced rear suspension design. Not that the Lincoln had any particular handling vices per se; it was just, as they say in the car magazines "an unwilling dance partner", exhibiting at even the slightest turn a "Must you? Okay, if you insist..." attitude.

Interesting. I wouldn't mind having a 1970 Mercury Marquis convertible as a smaller, sportier alternative to my Continental.




Also, the Mercury Marquis was preferred by 44 out of 50 airline pilots over a European luxury sedan probably because of it's handling and performance.....



Quoting Revelation (Reply 20):
Driving down the road today, looking at a lot of cars going buy, folks that might have been Lincoln customers in the past seem to be buying Lexus instead, from what I can tell.

You are correct.
Here in Thailand, I am seriously considering buying a Toyota Crown Royal Saloon.
Many shared parts with the Lexus but I want to buy something I can't buy in the US. I'm looking at the 1992 - 2003 models because it's the last years the car had distinctive styling (the newer ones look ordinary).


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Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 539 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

I personally think Lincoln should bring back their famed designer editions -- Givenchy, Cartier, Pucci, Bill Blass, etc., but updated for the times.


In thrust we trust!
User currently offlinetristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

My first car was a '66 Lincoln, my ideas on what a Lincoln should be are biased.

A sports Lincoln? No. The last true "sporty" Lincoln were the early '50's cars that participated in many road races. But being "sporty" didn't help them sell, and Cadillac became the "luxury car" to beat in sales.

You need to make the brand appeal to the demographic with the most money...right now, that's the blue haired crowd. And I suspect they'd love to see the Panther platform Town Car go on forever. And it would probably sell well until the last of that generation assumes room temperature.

Lincoln just seems to wander these days. I would almost wager there's a plan in a drawer in Dearborn to eliminate the brand at some point. Hope I am wrong on that one.



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
25 PHLBOS : Not 100% sure about the 2011 model; but Lincoln's offered a Cartier edition of its Town Car for at least 2 decades. Lincoln has cheated death/elimina
26 Post contains images Sulley : The Cartier has been dead since 2003
27 tristarenvy : The hard part is "what" their 1961 moment would involve. SUV's? Not so much as the Aviator seemed to die fast, and the Navigator seems overdone and g
28 Post contains links srbmod : You're not kidding on that. I've seen this in Vegas on several trips, as the trunk space on the Town Car cannot fit a lot of bags, and I've seen my s
29 Revelation : The formula for success that the Japanese vendors (Acura/Infiniti/Lexus) have shown is having an entry point for people in the 30's, 40's and 50's to
30 Post contains images Superfly : That is beyond blasphemy! The alphabet soup names for cars never made any sense.
31 tristarenvy : Agreed...but it's more "Euro-Japanese" style.. Like Pontiac doing it with the "G" designations.. And we could probably get a whole thread started abo
32 Post contains images PHLBOS : Thanks for the update/clarification. The Aviator died because it had internal competition with the similar but cheaper (by roughly $5000) Mercury Mou
33 tristarenvy : Sir, yes sir!... I was sitting in traffic observating a new Lincoln across from me, and it hit me suddenly that was "the look"... Props to them for g
34 Post contains links and images Superfly : Damn right! However I'm partial to the Emilio Pucci Edition Lincoln Mark V. 1978 model year only because of the first year for the 'Miles To Empty' d
35 tristarenvy : I sat in a Mark V at a car show not too long ago, 'Fly... It was a Bill Blass and was "nice"... what struck me was the length of the hood. Having driv
36 Post contains links and images Superfly : A long hood like this?????
37 tristarenvy : Is it wrong to covet another man's hood?????
38 Post contains images Superfly : LOL! Not in this case.
39 Dreadnought : LOL, with that engine and carbs, I suppose it only needed a 2-digit display!
40 Post contains links and images Superfly : Well the car did have a 27.5 gallon gas tank. It was the first production line car to ever feature a digital read out and a precursor to the electron
41 Post contains images TSS : Whereas I prefer the Givenchy Edition Mark V, because it has the canopy-style vinyl top and is just a tiny bit sportier.
42 Revelation : JHC, 'Fly, I can't believe some of the brochures you come up with. Simply amazing.
43 UAL747 : How did I know that Superfly would be having an orgasm all over this thread. Wipe off your screens fellas. UAL
44 Post contains images Superfly : That is the very reason why I don't like the Givenchy Edition Mark V. I like the opera window to be embedded in soft, padded vinyl or Cayman landau s
45 Revelation : And it had better be a CRT!
46 Post contains images stasisLAX : This is EXACTLY what Lincoln needs - Ford just needs someone in their executive offices with the balls to green-light the project and build it alread
47 Post contains images PHLBOS : I saw one of those parked along the street yesterday. Speaking of Mark Vs; the latest edition of Collectible Automobile has an article that covers th
48 Post contains links and images Superfly : Well of course. One of the many things I liked about that car was that is was to be an all new body-on-frame construction car. Up until about 5 years
49 PHLBOS : Was it indeed planned to be BOF construction? If it utilized the existing Panther platform (something they SHOULD'VE done for a swifter launch IMHO),
50 Post contains links and images Superfly : I know and I feel very inadequate. http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...oln_continental_concept-auto_shows the rear-wheel-drive Continental sports
51 TSS : Speaking of long hoods, Mark Vs, and possible Lincoln sports cars, does anyone besides me remember the aftermarket Mark V conversions that turned it
52 tristarenvy : That was a special done by Ford on the retirement of Gene Bordinant... Oddly, no pic's popped in Google for it, but I had seen it in a book called "C
53 Post contains images Sulley : I miss my '77 Bill Blass Mark V and my '78 Diamond Jubilee
54 Post contains images Superfly : You can pick one up in mint condition for about $3000 today.
55 BMI727 : I think that they need to go back further. Do a new Continental model based (and priced) more like the original Continentals. Keep it comfortably siz
56 Superfly : Isn't that what they're doing already with the 1940s front grill on the current MK(what ever the hell you call it)?
57 BMI727 : It doesn't work the same when you do it on a rebadged Taurus.
58 tristarenvy : And THERE'S another car that needs to be something better than it's become!
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