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Aclu Fighting FL. Welfare Drug Tests!  
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

Recently in the state of Florida, a legislation was passed requiring adults who apply for welfare to pass a drug test. However, the ACLU has filed a lawsuit claiming discrimination (which makes no damn sense).

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/...da.welfare.drug.testing/index.html

The ACLU claims that the legislation, is giving legitimacy to a stereotype that claims that most people on welfare are drug abusers (let me stop right there).

For the ACLU to claim that most welfare recipients are drugs users is just a stereotype is nonsense. You can ask most drug dealers when the biggest pay day is for them and each and every single one of them will answer the question with "the first and the fifteenth of each month" Ironically the same days that welfare checks arrive in the mail!

I WORK at a bank and I have to take random drug tests, submit urine samples and fingerprints as well as agree to a background check even before I started working. Why is it that people who receive FREE MONEY (Tax money) from our government should not be held to the same standard?    What pisses me off even more is that I just got my first paycheck and to see that %25 of that was lost to taxes just sickens me when I know at least some part of it could possibly be going to feed someone's drug problem!  

My question is, is it possible that the ACLU can win this lawsuit and and have the legislation overturned? I hope to god for the sake of our gov't saving some money that this law is adopted all around the country, sooner rather than later.


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
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Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
You can ask most drug dealers when the biggest pay day is for them and each and every single one of them will answer the question with "the first and the fifteenth of each month" Ironically the same days that welfare checks arrive in the mail!

A lot of working people get paid on the 1st & 15th as well...



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21564 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 1):
A lot of working people get paid on the 1st & 15th as well...

I know I do.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2577 times:
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I fully agree with the legislation passed in Florida. If these people want to sit on their asses and do nothing then they should have to pass a drug test. I also believe that people should also be mandated to further their education while on welfare. There should be no free ride, and unfortunately these people think that the more kids they squeeze out then the more money that they should be entitled to. I have such a vicious hatred for the bottom feeding scum who try to make a living off of welfare. The whole program needs a complete overhaul, that or we start disposing of those who are a drain on society.


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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

The same ACLU logic of "discrimination" of law breaking is used in the illegal immigrant arguments. I would go further ... I would make it if a person was ever found guilty of a Felony you could not get entitlements .


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Bravo to Florida. This isn't about sterotypes it's about making sure people asking for taxpayer assistance are not using drugs. The ACLU can go scratch.

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4678 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):

I know I do.

-Mir

Considering that, you must be a drug user David, no doubt about that    



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):

Recently in the state of Florida, a legislation was passed requiring adults who apply for welfare to pass a drug test.

Great law. They should have to pass one whenever they collect a check.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
The ACLU claims that the legislation, is giving legitimacy to a stereotype that claims that most people on welfare are drug abusers (let me stop right there).

Did it ever occur to anyone there that stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason?



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 1):
A lot of working people get paid on the 1st & 15th as well...

Kudos to them...If they want to use their hard earned money to finance their drug problems, so be it. At least they WORK!

But when you're taking money out of taxpayer pockets to handout to drug addicts to finance their addiction which in turn funds illegal drug operations, the same illegal drug operations that we're currently spending 10's of billions of dollars each year to fight...it's kind of (pardon my french) retarded!



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21564 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 6):
Considering that, you must be a drug user David, no doubt about that

Man, you have no idea how badly I need my daily fix....








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User currently offlinephatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

I agree with this new law. Why give taxpayer money to those who will use it to fund drug dealing?

User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

It is a great new law recently signed by Gov. Scott. It should be more than once though.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21564 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 8):
But when you're taking money out of taxpayer pockets to handout to drug addicts

You're validating the ACLU's argument by equating being on welfare with being a drug addict. You're going to need some sort of probable cause for drug screenings to be legal, and simply rhetorical evidence that drug dealers make of a lot of sales when welfare checks come out (and the same day as a lot of people get their paychecks) isn't going to cut it (and have you actually talked to a drug dealer?).

So the question for you is: can you show a reliable connection (with evidence) between welfare recipients and drug use. If so, then the law has a good case. If not, it doesn't.

-Mir



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2499 times:
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Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 8):
Kudos to them...If they want to use their hard earned money to finance their drug problems, so be it. At least they WORK!
Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
You can ask most drug dealers when the biggest pay day is for them and each and every single one of them will answer the question with "the first and the fifteenth of each month" Ironically the same days that welfare checks arrive in the mail!

So are you saying that working people who get their checks on the 1st & 15th should be given a drug test? Sure sounds like it to me...... and precisely how many drug dealers have you asked? How many do you know? Maybe you should get a drug test! lol



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5400 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
You're going to need some sort of probable cause for drug screenings to be legal,

I disagree. It can simply be stated that as a condition of receiving you must pass a drug screen. Simple. I have to pass random and directed drug screens to remain employed. And to head off the private corporation vs. government argument...these drug screens are mandated by the DOT.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
You can ask most drug dealers when the biggest pay day is for them and each and every single one of them will answer the question with "the first and the fifteenth of each month" Ironically the same days that welfare checks arrive in the mail!

That's a facetious argument. Many folks get paid on those days. From the comments made, I can only assume those are also the days that the government tit is whipped out.

I do have a small problem with the recipients being responsible for the cost of the test. Maybe, if a retest is required, the candidate should have to pay, but the initial cost should probably be borne by the State.



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
You're validating the ACLU's argument by equating being on welfare with being a drug addict. You're going to need some sort of probable cause for drug screenings to be legal,

Why? It is not mandatory that anyone accept a welfare check. I don't see a problem with it being conditional upon accepting the assistance.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

I receive my paycheck from the government and am susceptible to drug screening (the difference is, I actually work). I had to take and pass a drug test before being accepted by the military, and they can call me for a random drug screening at any time. So why shouldn't some bum on welfare be susceptible to drug testing and have to pass at least one drug test to receive their (free) check from the government?

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

First of all, what drugs are the going to be looking for? Cocaine, heroin, opiates, meth or pot and alcohol? I would have no complaints as to testing for the highly addictive and most dangerous 'hard' drugs and meth, for certain classes of state/municipal job (which is probably already done) or for welfare benefits, but less so over pot or alcohol. I would suggest that the testing should be done only if a suspicion, perhaps after requiring a medical exam upon application for benefits or employment and if the exam suggests signs of drug use/alcohol abuse, which would mean less of an issue with the ACLU

I would be concerned that the state may extend the demands for drug testing to applying for unemployment benefits, attending a State College/University and so on.


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 20):
but less so over pot or alcohol

Depending on the State pot is illegal at any time. Alcohol is not, unless you're under 21.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 20):
I would be concerned that the state may extend the demands for drug testing to applying for unemployment benefits, attending a State College/University and so on.

Since unemployment benefits are paid up front by the employer, and only administered by the government I would have a problem with testing in that area.

As far as College/Universities go, they already prohibit you from smoking in many areas, so what's the difference?


User currently offlineairplaneguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Cigarettes and alcohol are also drugs. Who's to say that welfare recipients don't go out and spend all their money on these items?

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7146 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Quoting airplaneguy (Reply 22):
Cigarettes and alcohol are also drugs. Who's to say that welfare recipients don't go out and spend all their money on these items?

Difference is when you buy those items you are paying taxes on them, and supporting a legal buisness and the economy. When you give a drug dealer money that is not taxed products, and not a legal buisness. BIG DIFFERENCE.

It is a great law! Proud to be living in a state that has finally stepped up and made this happen. I am sure many will follow as they should. And who knows maybe after a few years if the vast majority of people pass the drug test then they wont need to do them anymore. But just like most people whether they are an Airline Pilot, Police Officer, Doctor, Banker or someone who stocks shelves at Wal Mart they need to pass a drug test to get paid so why not them? It makes no sense to NOT have the drug test.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

This lawsuit will fail.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):

I WORK at a bank and I have to take random drug tests, submit urine samples and fingerprints as well as agree to a background check even before I started working. Why is it that people who receive FREE MONEY (Tax money) from our government should not be held to the same standard?

Because you work around a ton of cash that isn't, and never will (legally) be, yours. Welfare money is the property of the recipient, so there's no worries about "stealing" anything.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
What pisses me off even more is that I just got my first paycheck and to see that %25 of that was lost to taxes just sickens me when I know at least some part of it could possibly be going to feed someone's drug problem!

  

You know that food you buy from that supermarket? A tiny portion of that will eventually go to support somebody's drug habit. Guess you better start growing your own food now.

Protip: There's always multiple people in every industry who use their money to buy drugs. Don't you think for one second that some threat of a drug test will stop them.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):


My question is, is it possible that the ACLU can win this lawsuit and and have the legislation overturned?

Only if they can get the state to slip up as bad as you did.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 15):

Try and gain some intellectual ability before you respond to my posts.

Says the guy who claims that you can "ask any drug dealer", when you've never actually asked one yourself.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19559 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):

I agree with you. I think that the choice to live on public assistance (and mark my words, it is usually a choice should necessarily turn you into an adult "ward of the state" with very minute details of your public life governed by the state law. There should be every resource to help you off welfare, but if the taxpayers are paying your bills, then we should have the right to demand certain standards of behavior.

1) You will not conceive children while you are on welfare.
2) You will not use drugs or drink alcohol while on welfare. If you have a problem, you will be in treatment.
3) You will be subjected to random checks and audits to make sure that you are not defrauding welfare.
4) You will be in school or actively searching for employment while on welfare.
5) You will buy healthy, nutritious food on welfare money, not soda and chips.

In short, the same rules my parents had for me when I was on their dole.

This is one area where I strongly disagree with the ACLU. I don't think that welfare has anything to do with civil liberties. There is no Constitutional right to public assistance. They're barking up the wrong tree. Making the welfare system more abuse-proof is a good idea.

I'm against drug tests in general, but for people on welfare, the rest of us have a right to know that that's not why they are on welfare.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

I support the ACLU in this case. I'm against drug test anyway. It's a violation of one's privacy and it's insulting to assume that someone who may need to go on public assistance may be prone to being a drug user.
I hope the ACLU wins this case and who ever proposed this legislation is a jack@ss.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
I WORK at a bank and I have to take random drug tests, submit urine samples and fingerprints as well as agree to a background check even before I started working.

Sucks to work at your bank.
Not all banks require these sort of intrusive test.

Keep in mind, these are NOT "drug test". These are marijuana test.
Hard drugs do not stay in your system as long as marijuana.



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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

So much for small government and personal liberty.

What next, asking students that receive federal or state aid to submit for drug tests? How about asking bankers from companies that got federal funds submitting for drug tests?

It sets a poor legal precedent, and it reeks of bigotry and economic prejudice.


25 futurepilot16 : Even if they're receiving handouts from the government? At least we know where that money goes to. I get financial aid at my University more specific
26 Post contains images Superfly : Exactly! Also, these "drug test" would not have traced cocaine - the drug that fmr. addicts such as George W. Bush used. It would target free-thinker
27 BMI727 : Welfare is economic prejudice. You don't see middle class people getting it. And the precedent it would set is an excellent one. Namely, that welfare
28 aa61hvy : My sister used to work for a company in the HR department. She would tell me something like every week they would have some applicant test positive f
29 elmothehobo : What middle class? It is a huge invasion of personal privacy, and sets a precedent that a state government can, as a precondition to getting funds fr
30 cpd : But, at the same time, some control should be exercised on how that welfare money is spent, so it is spent appropriately, and not all on alcohol - "a
31 BMI727 : It is an invasion of privacy. But, if you want to live on the government's dime, that is what you have to do. We even have a term for it already: imp
32 EA CO AS : Oh spare me - that tired "there is no middle class" argument is bullshit and you know it.
33 futurepilot16 : Sorry, not in my case, I wish I could get some of that money, but everything goes into tuition They don't have to be affected, it's barely even an in
34 elmothehobo : Take the 'stoners' out of that statement then answer it. The adjective has no relevance there. What if they were highly motivated occasional marijuan
35 Superfly : So how do you screen the idiots that do not use drugs? Life does not have to be this way. It's bonehead legislation and I feel that employers shouldn
36 futurepilot16 : Spare me this recreational use bullcrap. I smoke recreationally, i'm in a fraternity where smoking is the norm, at least once a week. I was annoyed w
37 Superfly : How about spare us the "free money" crap? It's insulting to assume that someone on welfare might be a drug user. It's insulting that your job require
38 cpd : Unfortunately, it's a bit of a different thing when the employer is being pushed by the media and the general public to take action. You've got no ch
39 seb146 : So, bigger government and more government intervintion into people's personal lives? I thought the right wanted to move this country away from that.
40 WestJetForLife : I'm fifty-fifty on this one. The ACLU has a valid point about stereotyping drug users as welfare recipients, but at the same time, if I had X% of my i
41 Superfly : Didn't Adolf Hitler require government sponsored drug test? No they're not. Welfare has a build in limit of 5 years. That was part of President Clinto
42 futurepilot16 : Dude what do you want me to call it? It's a handout. When the government had their bailout money it was the same thing, a handout, my federal financi
43 cpd : Mine was - the media and the general public pushed the issue and made it a big thing, so the employer had to take action. The opposition political pa
44 Superfly : It's called Aid To Families with Dependent Children. No argument there. I oppose the 'war on drugs too'. Sure there might be some welfare recipients
45 flymia : Agree you 100%! But this is a good start.
46 futurepilot16 : Wouldn't you sleep better at night knowing that the aid is actually helping the needy children? I agree that it's insulting, but for someone who need
47 Superfly : Well of course. This proposed marijuana test wouldn't change a thing in regards to feeding the children. ...and that 's what AFDC is for. ..nor is in
48 Maverick623 : Cool. So you saw a few drug deals (who hasn't?). Still doesn't explain why you tell people to "ask a drug dealer" when you won't yourself. You keep t
49 Superfly : Glad you caught that one Maverick623. What futurepilot16 needs to realize is that welfare money is also the recipients money. They were once taxpayer
50 DocLightning : I agree about the jobs. I think that responsible people who are going to work and doing their jobs well are being insulted and frankly having their r
51 Post contains images futurepilot16 : Woooooowwwwwww. So i guess the fact that I got a job after applying to only one place is just dumb luck....meant to happen, sort of written in the st
52 EA CO AS : Who says that assumption exists? It's a simple matter of eligibility verification, that's all - someone who is a chronic drug user is unlikely to suc
53 cws818 : What if you happen to be on welfare (lets assume through no fault of your own) and you go over to a friend's house for a Fourth of July barbeque; you
54 Pyrex : Guess what? Most banks already require drug tests from their users. In fact, believe it is a pre-condition from the SEC... if not, it certainly is fr
55 Superfly : So much mis-information and stereotypes in this thread. Yes it is dumb luck. The bad economy helped get Obama elected and the bad economy resulted in
56 Post contains images Superfly : Hmmm... The only known cocaine abuser I ever worked with was at Morgan Stanley. His numbers were good and he brought in lots of money for the company
57 Post contains images futurepilot16 : If you say so. The last time I checked career builder or monster.com, Walmart and target and McDonald's were hiring like crazy. Literally hundreds of
58 Superfly : No it's called Hope and change.
59 futurepilot16 : I really don't care if someone uses drugs, I've already made it clear that if the person is using their own money to fuel their addiction, then more
60 Maverick623 : Well, I'd consider 5 years "long-term", and I doubt people on welfare sober suddenly become druggies while on welfare. Yea... you got lucky. Have you
61 Superfly : I agree. However IF a AFDC recipient uses their benefits for drugs, they're only shooting themselves in the foot. As I said before, President Clinton
62 BMI727 : The point still stands. Government money almost always comes with a purpose. Money paid to researchers and contractors has to go to their projects. E
63 Superfly : Do you really think they do drug test for illegals? I'm against drug test by employers as well. ..and an environmentalist. His drug testing was part
64 BMI727 : That is completely ridiculous because it is a safety issue. Do you want workers to be put in danger because one of their coworkers wanted to get high
65 tugger : I do support this law and think that it makes sense. I do not see any violation of civil liberties becasue just like you do not have to work for a com
66 Superfly : Who said anything about showing up to work high? What people do after work is not anyone's business. Not sure how someone smoking weed over the weeke
67 futurepilot16 : Actually no...one Job (the one he quit) was in construction. The Job he got was in Armed Security. Two very different fields. You saying i'm lying? H
68 Post contains links and images Superfly : We think you're a Narc. Urban Dictionary entry #1(2) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=narc
69 BMI727 : For one thing, it would be bad for employees to find themselves in a situation where they need money and might be tempted to embezzle, sell secrets,
70 futurepilot16 : Perhaps...they did as well. They offered me to sell and I told them no. I went to college, most of them dropped out of high school and went to jail.
71 Superfly : Agreed. What does that have to do with marijuana? How do you weed out gamblers and kleptomaniacs? None of that shows up in a pot test. You're getting
72 elmothehobo : The job market is terrible. You can't use anecdotes to counter a country of 300 million people's 10% unemployment rate (sorry, 9.1%). I hear the inte
73 Post contains images futurepilot16 : When did I ever say I was looking for a job at Walmart or McDonalds? Also, when did I say I have a college degree? Waaaayyyyy too much speculation go
74 elmothehobo : I am not speculating about your career, I am agreeing that there are lots of jobs at Target, McDonalds and WalMart. I am saying that, minimum wage do
75 futurepilot16 : I was simply saying that for someone who is applying for welfare, getting a job at these places is more than possible all over the country no matter
76 elmothehobo : I am not speculating about your career, I am agreeing that there are lots of jobs at Target, McDonalds and WalMart. I am saying that, minimum wage do
77 BMI727 : You weed out people who engage in behaviors that might lead them to need money quickly. It isn't like nobody ever committed a crime so they could get
78 Superfly : ...and a pot test won't save them from this. Marijuana is not an expensive drug nor is it addictive. A pot-head isn't going to act violent and steal
79 futurepilot16 : Or it could mean that some of these lazy AFDC recipients aren't looking hard enough for a job!
80 Post contains images Maverick623 : Marijuana IS addictive. Just because it doesn't cause sever withdrawal symptoms doesn't mean it's not addictive. Tell that to the drug dealer who kil
81 Superfly : That could very well be true. That is why President Clinton placed a 5 year cap. Still not sure what a marijuana test would do to change this. We und
82 Post contains links and images futurepilot16 : Really? Really? When Did I ever say that? I hate people who take advantage of a commodity that is used to help needy families...Such as druggies who
83 Superfly : Umm, throught this thread. You and I both. Your comments are absurd to assume that everyone applying for AFDC is somehow a drug addict. It is also ab
84 Maverick623 : Except I left out a little tidbit that the guy was robbed by two people. The other guy still took the weed and ran away. You made the claim that ripp
85 Superfly : Spot on! I agree! My point was that these pre-employment marijuana test gives employers a false sense of security. A smart crook knows how to cover h
86 seb146 : Or, these "lazy" recipients realize that it would take two or more years of being unemployed before they can get any kind of certificate and, even th
87 futurepilot16 : Show me a specific example when I specifically said "I hate people on welfare" (besides this one time which is used as an example). It's better than
88 Superfly : Do you even understand how AFDC works? For the millionth time, there is a 5 year cap on AFDC! How can one spend their entire life on this program if
89 futurepilot16 : You still didn't provide proof to where I specifically said "I HATE people on welfare". It's probably because I didn't say it. Ok, I admit, I am anno
90 Superfly : ...and if you want to be taken seriously in a discussion, you don't exaggerate. Perhaps taking a speech & debate class next semester would be a g
91 futurepilot16 : I don't care, exaggerate or not, I meant what I said. if they stay on the program for 5 years then are kicked off, what happens next? Most likely the
92 Post contains images Superfly : So you really think you have some authority on this issue? LOL! I don't get in to the 'touchy feely' stuff. I'm against marijuana test because it's n
93 stratosphere : I agree with you. I am also far from liberal. I think pot should be legal as I do not see it as any worse than alcohol. I know a lot of people who sm
94 Superfly : Excellent post! Yes the government does have the right to create as many hoops for recipients to jump through in order to qualify for AFDC. Yes there
95 seb146 : No, there is nothing wrong with that at all. However, when there are no jobs to be had for unskilled labor, how can a person support their family whi
96 Post contains links Superfly : Good point, how ever.... Obama promised 'green jobs'. Where are they? Both parties are to blame for the crappy economy. http://www.care2.com/causes/p
97 seb146 : It seems to me these go hand-in-hand. Green jobs pay enough to actually live on. The Democrats want to create green jobs. The right-wing is happy jus
98 Superfly : ...and who's blocking all efforts to drill at home in the US? What 'green jobs'? Are the millions of out of work people going to be able to find jobs
99 seb146 : And there are the lower level jobs and unrelated jobs that will open up. Like stores and fabrication and restaurants. Unlike petrolium jobs which hel
100 Superfly : We don't have restaurants now? Non-profit environmental advocacy organizations that don't pay crap and heavily rely on volunteers? They help out mill
101 tugger : So as pot becomes legal and is no longer a "bust" on this test, will you support it? As to the other things you mention. just becasue you cannot cove
102 Post contains images Superfly : ??? I'm against pot test.
103 tugger : So if it is no longer "testing for pot" then you support it? I.e.: If pot is legal then the test will no longer screen for it. On the other, you appe
104 Superfly : I'm against pot testing. Yes. Do nothing. Too many employers in the US want to hire Altar Boys but there are very few Altar Boys out there. Employers
105 seb146 : I was actually thinking about the windmills. They are built in Denmark and China, IIRC. What if we started building our own windmills in the United S
106 futurepilot16 : Unfortunately, there are no interviews and job applications for welfare checks, so any junkie can apply and get public assistance.
107 Superfly : There are a lot already but they just don't provide a lot of energy. They also kill tons of birds. Greenpeace was the first thing that came to mind.
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