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Apple Introduces ICloud  
User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/06/apples-icloud-missing-link/

This will be great for people like me who want simple. I have a MacBook,iPad iPhone and touch(iPhone 3 with no sim card)

It will take all my iTunes music(most of what I have now came from them) and store it. Then for 25 a year it will also add my ripped music and no uploading required.

Yes I fully understand that google etc. Would do this but I am not willing to Learn. This will just be a touch of the screen and it will be enabled.


They will also have my purchases history. Which is good as I deleted some by accident.

I just now need to get my iPod music transferred to my MacBook, I have a lot on there I have no longer got the cd's for.


Plus 5 gb of cloud space for other stuff which is sufficient as I do no computing at home out side of presentations.


More at the link

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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
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iOS 5 looks great as well!


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2768 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1869 times:
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I can't wait for it to fully come out. I'm going to upgrade to an iPhone 4 to be able to fully use all of the features. The ability to have my macbook, iPad, iPhone, and brothers iPhone in sync without having to actually conncect it to my computer every couple of days is a dream come true. The price tag is even better! The 25 for ripped music would be worth it if I actually used cds but I don't so the free price tag is nice in my book.
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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2967 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Meh, I don't need it- Thanks to Google Music, I have all my music stored for free....


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 3):
Meh, I don't need it- Thanks to Google Music, I have all my music stored for free....

iCloud is much more than storage. Think of it as a site license for all of your illegal downloads. Also, for those who have iOS devices, it could mean not having to pay attention to when and where you download things.



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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2997 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Can an Apple user clarify - is this a bit like Dropbox?

Thanks

signol



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User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21416 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting signol (Reply 5):
Can an Apple user clarify - is this a bit like Dropbox?

Yes, pretty much, only that with the additional iTunes Match option it also turns low-grade Napster MP3s into high-quality AACs in the process. (In principle it won't change the legal status of your files, but in practice they don't really care - that's why it costs $24.99/year.)

And that it is fully integrated into the Apps which explicitly support it so these Apps simply update all edited documents across all devices without you having to save into a special Dropbox folder.

Of course you can still continue to use Dropbox alongside it, if you want to have it shared with Linux systems, for instance.

With iTunes 10.3 now available through Software Update, some functions like automatic downloads have already come online. The rest is described here:

Apple - iCloud - The new way to store and access your content.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1780 times:

In a related story, Apple is apparently requiring you to have Snow Leopard before you can upgrade to Lion. This pisses me off - my intention all along was to skip 10.6 and go right from 10.5 to 10.7, and I don't mind paying a bit more because I'm jumping versions, but the idea that I have to upgrade my OS just to be able to buy the new version is ridiculous. If I were running some much older version of OSX I could understand it, but...really, Apple? How hard would it be to just put the ability to download 10.7 onto the Apple website and charge a little extra for it?

I know Apple loves to plan obsolescence into its products to force people to buy the new stuff, but this is going a bit far.   

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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5428 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
Think of it as a site license for all of your illegal downloads.

What illegal downloads? Most of what I have is from CD's I own and ripped at 320kbps, the rest is bought from Amazon.

Also Apple did confirm in a sideways way that Mac's are now secondary in their future plans. The major focus will by in "cloud" stuff with the consumer units (PC's, phones, pads) being/becoming more "client" like.

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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1761 times:

Is it correctly understood that users "only" get 5gb of free storage space?

Microsoft has its SkyDrive which offers 25gb of storage space for free as well, and you don't even need a Windows computer to use it.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1738 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 9):
Is it correctly understood that users "only" get 5gb of free storage space?

Remember that you music library will not be included in that count, nor will your apps bought on the AppStore.

And, as Apple gets through the initial burst of customers (always a problem) they will be adding storage availability.

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
In a related story, Apple is apparently requiring you to have Snow Leopard before you can upgrade to Lion.

Lion will be released on Apple's AppStore. The AppStore only works on Snow Leopard. If you have a friend who is moving to Lion maybe they will loan you theirs. Actually, you might borrow someone's now to start on the AppStore, then move up to Lion next month.

Otherwise, get a CD of Lion when the upgrade is released. There will probably be a lot of information on how to upgrade from Leopard without any hassles.

Quoting tugger (Reply 8):
Also Apple did confirm in a sideways way that Mac's are now secondary in their future plans.

I think the Macs are more important to Apple every years. Notebooks are now 75% of their Mac sales, but there is still a demand for the desktop line. And remember, every developer who wants to write for iOS will need to do it on a Mac. Probably the same for iCloud and Apple is delivering APIs to developers for iCloud.

Apple also made it clear that some features, like pictures in iCloud have a 1,000 picture limit and are only held for 30 days in order for them to be synced to all you devices. The desktop/notebook will still be the best place for primary storage.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 10):
Otherwise, get a CD of Lion when the upgrade is released.

Everything I've heard says that there will be no physical CD/DVD.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
Everything I've heard says that there will be no physical CD/DVD.

I have a feeling that Apple will find a way for people who can upgrade. There will be a lot of Macs that will not be able to upgrade - like my original G5 iMac (that will soon be sold off so I can get a new iMac).

Or you can simply get a copy of Snow Leopard ($29 if you do not buy it new), upgrade to that now and then go to Lion next month. That gives you an extra month to look at the apps on the Mac AppStore.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26856 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Interesting concept. Great for people who dont want to have a PC . Like the idea of the device SYNC.

Love the new IOS 5 also especially the message service. Will be great to get free SMS worldwide with my mates who have iPhones/iPads etc...


User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
Love the new IOS 5 also especially the message service. Will be great to get free SMS worldwide with my mates who have iPhones/iPads etc...

It would be great if these services like imessage and BBM were built like whatsapp so that people can communicate across platforms. I'll more then likely get an iphone 5 to replace my blackberry when it comes out, but I wont be able to continue messaging my current bbm contacts without me and them going back to sms or going to something like whatsapp


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2768 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1684 times:
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Quoting bill142 (Reply 14):
but I wont be able to continue messaging my current bbm contacts without me and them going back to sms or going to something like whatsapp

There was an article I read a while back about RIM creating a bbm app for iOS and android. It would be bare bones but it means you wouldn't have to dump it completely.
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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

25$ to "legalize" all mp3s one might have is a damn good deal.

User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21416 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 8):
Also Apple did confirm in a sideways way that Mac's are now secondary in their future plans. The major focus will by in "cloud" stuff with the consumer units (PC's, phones, pads) being/becoming more "client" like.

iOS devices won't be entirely dependent on a Mac or PC any more, and Macs will be eye-to-eye regarding iCloud, but they're still the "heavy duty" platform for Apple and will remain that (not least the ones with effectively unlimiteds amounts of local storage).


User currently offlineKngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1665 times:
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Woo yay Apple gets all the attention for offering (and charging) for a service already available free by google, microsoft, and many others.

http://explore.live.com/windows-live-skydrive


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19417 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

I find this interesting.

Back in the '60's and '70's, computers were gargantuan mainframes that took up whole floors of buildings. The basic model of computing at that time, as I understand it, was that individual users would have terminals that didn't look too terribly different from today's desktop PC's (save the CRT screen and anachronistic styling). Individual users' terminals would be "dumb slaves." Very little memory, very little computing power, and really just served as an interface for the mainframe system.

Airlines used a variant of this basic architecture until relatively recently, with remote terminals all over the world communicating with a central scheduling mainframe via telephone modem. It wasn't until the 1990's that airlines switched to a more modern web-based system.

In the '80's, the advent of the PC started to change the model of computing. For the first time, you could have a Turing-complete machine in your house. At first, these machines were used in isolation with most communication between them being by removable media, evolving from tape reels to cassettes to 5.5" floppies to 3.5" floppies, etc. But after Al Gore invented the internet  , things started to change. Large networks of PC's, linked by new beefed-up PC's called servers started to behave in many ways like the mainframes of old did. But the systems architecture was totally different, although the effect began to look similar.

So here we are in 2011 moving back to the mainframe model, but with a twist. The mainframe is now a cloud, which does the work of many mainframes. The "terminals" need only be smart enough to run a web browser. The heavy work happens in the cloud, just like it used to happen in the mainframe. The rapid expansion of wireless access, combined with miniaturization, has made it easier to manufacture smaller and more portable terminals. The laptop was the first step, the smart phone was the next, and the tablet is the logical union of the two. You don't really need a "computer" anymore, you just need a terminal and web access.

I find this see-saw of the trend to be really interesting. I'll be anxious to see what comes next. I don't think that re-decentralization is likely. What I think is that we will see further miniaturization and redesign of the terminals. I predict wearable terminals in which gloves will replace the keyboard and mouse and glasses will replace the monitor. Eventually, it might even be possible for the glasses to display an "overlay" on reality for various purposes, which could be useful in anything from training to mechanical maintenance (imagine if the goggles could give you computer-generated "X-ray vision" of the schematic of an aircraft) to surgery. I predict that keeping your personal data at home will become less and less popular and will only be used as a back-up and for highly-sensitive materials.

It's fascinating to watch this new revolution happen and to speculate on what will happen next.


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21416 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
So here we are in 2011 moving back to the mainframe model, but with a twist. The mainframe is now a cloud, which does the work of many mainframes. The "terminals" need only be smart enough to run a web browser. The heavy work happens in the cloud, just like it used to happen in the mainframe.

That is pretty much the Google concept of where things are supposed to go.

The Apple concept is very different as presented on Monday: It uses the iCloud merely as a transparent conduit between autonomous computing devices which are doing the actual computing themselves primarily.

Data is also stored on the actual devices – iCloud merely copies the data between the devices and it can cache your data in case the originating device is not online while another one of your clients is getting online to check for the latest changes.

Google is a server company first and foremost, while Apple is a client company first and foremost, so their very different approaches are logical for each of them. And actually complementary up to a point, since each one's products can be used together with the other one's.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting Kngkyle (Reply 18):
Woo yay Apple gets all the attention for offering (and charging) for a service already available free by google, microsoft, and many others.

Which shows that you can't be bothered to read what people have said, and that you came in only to get in a cheap, clueless jab.

In any case, here's how to install Lion off of DVD:

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/07/how-to-burn-a-lion-boot-disc/

[Edited 2011-06-07 13:35:45]


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
That is pretty much the Google concept of where things are supposed to go.

The Apple concept is very different as presented on Monday: It uses the iCloud merely as a transparent conduit between autonomous computing devices which are doing the actual computing themselves primarily.

There is an interesting factor in the difference between the two companies: computer components are getting both cheaper and more powerful at the same time. The dumb terminals of the 80s is simply too expensive to provide as a "dumb terminal". It would be easier and cheaper to simply install the current PC components, rendering the need to compute in the cloud uneconomical. The concept of keeping all iOS and OS X devices synced is far more attractive.


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21416 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 22):
There is an interesting factor in the difference between the two companies: computer components are getting both cheaper and more powerful at the same time.

Indeed. I rarely hunger for more computing power than I've already got on my hands, but my online connection is not nearly as all-pervasive and as fast as I would like (and it eats more battery power, too, on average).


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19417 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 22):
The dumb terminals of the 80s is simply too expensive to provide as a "dumb terminal". It would be easier and cheaper to simply install the current PC components, rendering the need to compute in the cloud uneconomical. The concept of keeping all iOS and OS X devices synced is far more attractive.

I'm not sure that Google would agree with you. Klaus raises a very good point. iCloud is mostly a storage and transport medium, where as Google Apps is a processing and working medium. iCloud keeps multiple devices synchronized, which is convenient when you consider that there are a number of people who spend time in airplanes and subways and other environments in which wireless connectivity may not be available. It will be many years until every airliner on every route has good internet service.

The Google model may be a bit ahead of its time by presupposing always available internet. But the upside of the Google model is that the device that you are using is wholly unimportant as long as it has a browser.

Ultimately, much as the Apple vs. IBM wars of the '80's and the 787 vs A380, there may be no clear winner. Or there might be. There are two very business models of providing a similar result. One will win and one will lose.

But one thing is true about Apple: typically their business models define the industry. They didn't invent the portable computer, but it was only after the PowerBook that notebook PC's became widespread. They didn't invent the smartphone, but smartphones were mostly niche devices until the iPhone. They didn't invent the tablet, but the industry had given up on tablets until the iPad. They didn't invent the MP3 or online music or the MP3 player, but iTunes and the iPod struck a death blow to the CD. For their faults and failures, they are very, [i]very[i] good at what they do, which is product design. That's about as close to a factual statement as you can get with a subjective assessment.


25 czbbflier : I was thinking that myself, doc! Should one be concerned that now all non-Americans' personal data will be subject to US law once their data is uploa
26 NorthstarBoy : While I'm sure this a very impressive accomplishment, i'm not sure why there's even a market for it. Personally, I would never dream of storing anythi
27 JBirdAV8r : At least on the surface, that is kinda BS. On the other hand, an upgrade to Snow Leopard costs $30, and Lion costs another $30. Still MUCH cheaper th
28 Post contains images Mir : iGlasses. Yeah, I know, but it's just the principle of having to buy an upgrade solely for the ability to buy another upgrade that pisses me off. Not
29 Klaus : They did that before 2007 when they presented the first iPhone.
30 JBirdAV8r : I agree that is pretty clunky and out-of-character. I wouldn't be surprised if they change the marketing on that.
31 washingtonian : The new Mail looks amazing! Mail is the one Apple app that I simply do not like. Can't wait for Lion!
32 Klaus : The OS upgrade has been made easier than ever for most of those users who are keeping up-to-date with their OS anyway. It's nice not having to order a
33 mt99 : A while back i heard (on NPR i think) how the only way that the recording companies really make money now a days is by concerts and promotions, and s
34 Klaus : No, but they are probably beginning to accept that the sales high in the earlier CD era was an exception which is not extendable and that they will h
35 Post contains images tugger : Yep, just be featured in an Apple commercial! Tugg
36 Post contains links tugger : Just in, Apple is being sued by iCloud: http://www.pcworld.com/article/230127/apple_sued_by_icloud.html I wonder if Apple will have to give up the nam
37 bill142 : Apparently apple paid several million for the icloud domain
38 Ken777 : True. They have legal rights to the domain name. After that it gets down to confusion between the two and Apple has already established dominance of
39 Klaus : The problem is apparently that iCloud Communications latched on to an obviously Apple-originated naming scheme (right down to the capitalization of th
40 Post contains images Springbok747 : Just because Apple have already established 'dominance of consumer awareness' doesn't make it right to steal someone else's name and use it. I mean..
41 Ken777 : Since Apple paid for the name iCloud.com they have the legal rights to it. iCloud communications do not. And then there is the question of who was fi
42 Springbok747 : That's because Apple are obviously a far bigger and different company than the one called icloud communications, that deals with voip. They've been d
43 Klaus : That is not quite true, or at least not the whole story. While Cisco's IOS trademark apparently preceded it and has a certain obviousness to it in it
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