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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2370 posts, RR: 21
Posted (3 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

The state of Texas has released a list of the last statements made by Death Row inmates before they get executed.

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/executedoffenders.htm

I thought I'd share the link with you, and maybe start a debate for and against having death penalty.

Personally, I am against the death penalty, but I see why it might be useful in some places. However, I am sure innocent people get executed from time to time, and I think that is the biggest reason why the death penalty shouldn't be allowed.

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Our justice system is the best in the world. With DNA since the mid 90s and tons of appeals available I I doubt we are executing innocent people. Like Texas I believe in hang em high. If you make a decision to take a life you better be prepared to have yours taken.

Oh yea it's not a deterrent. It's justice.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Thread starter):
The state of Texas has released a list of the last statements made by Death Row inmates before they get executed.

This is nothing new..it has always existed. They even used to have a link to what the last meals of the executed inmates were, but they seem to have removed it.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Like Texas I believe in hang em high. If you make a decision to take a life you better be prepared to have yours taken.

  

Its funny how so many people are opposed to the death penalty and think the death of a convicted murderer is a tragedy. Yet the deaths and suffering of countless victims is only an easily-ignored statistic.



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Our justice system is the best in the world.

That remains to be seen:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent



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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
I I doubt we are executing innocent people.

It happens with a frequency that may frighten you, see Severnaya's post above (I was going to quote the same source)

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 2):
Its funny how so many people are opposed to the death penalty and think the death of a convicted murderer is a tragedy. Yet the deaths and suffering of countless victims is only an easily-ignored statistic.

Do you think the execution of a wrongly convicted, innocent person is justice? There are many instances of unsafe convictions. If an innocent person is wrongly executed, who is accountable? If a person is wrongly executed then the judicial system is guilty of premeditated murder.

No-one who opposes the death penalty disregards the victims, it's just that there is more to justice than an 'eye for a eye' mentality.

By all means if the will is there have your death penalty, but to be fair if a person is wrongly convicted and executed the let the Police investigators, Trial Judge and State Prosecutors all follow their victim to the execution chamber.


User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):

Our justice system is the best in the world.

LOL, out to infinity! And then squared.

I guess you haven't noticed that clown fest in central florida recently...

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
With DNA since the mid 90s and tons of appeals available I I doubt we are executing innocent people

Seriously though, we execute more innocent people than any developed nation on earth, both in absolute numbers and by percentages. There are a lot of things we do right in the US, but our "justice" system is a complete joke. If it wasn't, Ray Krone wouldn't have had the dubious honor of being the 100th person to receive the death penalty only to have been found innocent later on... http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Ray_Krone.php

The frightening thing is that even now, states are still getting in the way of groups like Innocence Project and allowing very questionable executions to occur. A disgusting waste of tax dollars it is to perpetrate this incompetence I think we can all agree...

It's an interesting case, because Ray was not some run of the mill criminal who got in just a little too much trouble this time. Rather, he was an upstanding citizen who had an honorable military discharge and seven years in the postal service. His life was destroyed (for a large percentage of it anyway; more than enough to constitute a gross injustice no doubt) for no good reason. It illustrates that this sort of thing really can happen to anyone. I would say that's enough to disqualify America from being the "best" WRT justice systems.

One wonders why the prosecution who tried to murder this man hasn't been disincentivized properly...


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 5):
Seriously though, we execute more innocent people than any developed nation on earth, both in absolute numbers and by percentages. There are a lot of things we do right in the US, but our "justice" system is a complete joke. If it wasn't, Ray Krone wouldn't have had the dubious honor of being the 100th person to receive the death penalty only to have been found innocent later on... http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...e.php

100 people lol? Give me a break. Even I give you all the ones sourced in reply 3 that would be 9 not 100. Also the last would have been convicted in 92'. With todays courts and DNA I doubt we will see an innocent man or woman put to death again. So I am not going to throw out the death penalty. Sorry.


User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1586 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Oh yea it's not a deterrent. It's justice.

Looking at the US crime number it's indeed not a deterrent. But in my opinion it is more about revenge than justice. Executing people, even murderers and rapist, puts a country on the same level as those criminals IMHO. Just the remote possibility of executing the wrong guy should be enough to stop with it.

Having a civilized culture takes costs, one of those costs is locking up criminals instead of killing them.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 7):
Looking at the US crime number it's indeed not a deterrent

Yet in countries like Singapore where you get the death penalty for much less and harsher penalties for other crimes their crime rates are quite low.   

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 7):
Having a civilized culture takes costs, one of those costs is locking up criminals instead of killing them.

So a person who took a life during the comission of a crime gets to live out his life with three squares a day, drugs and Lord knows what else he can manage?

No thank you. An eye for an eye.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3555 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 2):
Yet the deaths and suffering of countless victims is only an easily-ignored statistic.

On what possible basis do you make that judgement about people who think killing is wrong? Just interested to know how you can know what anyone 'easily ignores' and why, just because they hold an opinion on executions.



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1586 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 7):
Looking at the US crime number it's indeed not a deterrent

Yet in countries like Singapore where you get the death penalty for much less and harsher penalties for other crimes their crime rates are quite low

Very low actually IIRC. Proving my point that there is no connection whatsoever between capital punishment and crime numbers.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):

You're reacting emotionally with an eye for an eye, justice is a dish served best un-emotionally. I think it is a very simplistic world view. Should rapist be raped? Or arscons having their house set to fire?

Taking away freedoms is the only possible civilised punishment. I'd rather have the murderer of a family member of mine sitting in a cell the rest of his live over thinking his sins than a few moments of fear and than nothing.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 10):
Very low actually IIRC. Proving my point that there is no connection whatsoever between capital punishment and crime numbers.

How exactly? Where a country that has very harsh penalties enjoy a very low crime rate? Problem is the US death penalty isn't nearly as aggressive as Singapore or are our other laws. Rest assured if we put to death every rapist, drug dealer and murderer in the US we would have a very low crime rate.

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 10):
You're reacting emotionally with an eye for an eye, justice is a dish served best un-emotionally. I think it is a very simplistic world view. Should rapist be raped? Or arscons having their house set to fire?

Actually doesn't sound like a bad idea at all.

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 10):
Taking away freedoms is the only possible civilised punishment. I'd rather have the murderer of a family member of mine sitting in a cell the rest of his live over thinking his sins than a few moments of fear and than nothing.

Problem is they don't. They are too busy building shanks to jack someone or making contraband or working out.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 4):
Do you think the execution of a wrongly convicted, innocent person is justice?

No, never. Killing an innocent person is not justice..its murder. But the point is..there are enough checks in place to ensure we don't kill innocent people. I highly doubt the US has actually executed an innocent person since resuming executions in 1976.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 5):
I guess you haven't noticed that clown fest in central florida recently...

Her baby drowned by accident, she panicked, got a tattoo, entered a hot body contest, and oh yeah, put duct tape over her child's innocent mouth, then went about her business for almost a month, then blamed it on a baby sitter. And of course she is innocent. Yeah...right.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 9):
Just interested to know how you can know what anyone 'easily ignores' and why, just because they hold an opinion on executions.

Just read the news...especially the day when someone is executed. There is hardly any coverage of why they were executed. There is hardly any mention of the victims, or the impact on their families. Instead its just about how inhumane the system is or what the guy had for his last meal..or how state sponsored killing is wrong etc etc.

With a yearly average of 15,000 murders, the fact that the US has executed 1,254 inmates in 35 years is proof that capital punishment has been reserved for the worst of the worst.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6572 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 12):
But the point is..there are enough checks in place to ensure we don't kill innocent people. I highly doubt the US has actually executed an innocent person since resuming executions in 1976.

Go visit Illinois where they had to stop the death penalty because so many innocent people were ending up on death row. The only way they were saved was when external groups (like journalism students at Northwestern University) did enough investigative research. In Chicago, bad lawyers and corrupt cops created an environment where getting a fair trial was almost impossible.

DNA is great, but it can be tampered with. Not to mention that not all killings necessarily have DNA evidence.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 3439 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 2):
Its funny how so many people are opposed to the death penalty and think the death of a convicted murderer is a tragedy. Yet the deaths and suffering of countless victims is only an easily-ignored statistic.

No, some of us think all murder is wrong, whether by individual or state.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
that would be 9 not 100

That's still 9 too many for "the best justice system in the World", no?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
With todays courts and DNA

DNA evidence is not infallable and it's very easy to contaminate DNA samples.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
How exactly? Where a country that has very harsh penalties enjoy a very low crime rate? Problem is the US death penalty isn't nearly as aggressive as Singapore or are our other laws.

What the hell, why not introduce the death penalty for all crime? That would solve the problem once and for all.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 3426 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 12):
There is hardly any coverage of why they were executed. There is hardly any mention of the victims, or the impact on their families.

Presumably there wasn't no coverage when the defendant was tried and convicted? And in any case, what does that have to do with how a private individual views murder and the death penalty?

Quoting scbriml (Reply 14):
No, some of us think all murder is wrong, whether by individual or state.

  

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 12):
With a yearly average of 15,000 murders, the fact that the US has executed 1,254 inmates in 35 years is proof that capital punishment has been reserved for the worst of the worst.

I doubt it. There is clearly a massively inconsistent approach to the matter from state to state for a start.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
Actually doesn't sound like a bad idea at all.

Actually it sounds totally sick.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Our justice system is the best in the world.

Funnily enough, I'm not going to believe that just on the basis of you pronouncing it to be so.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8669 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Executions are state-sponsored, premeditated murder and that's an end of it. Paint it with as much self-righteous outrage at criminals as you like, but the fact remains that an execution is the planned and cold-blooded killing of a human.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 12):
I highly doubt the US has actually executed an innocent person since resuming executions in 1976.

I take it you also doubt gravity?



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 16):
Paint it with as much self-righteous outrage at criminals as you like, but the fact remains that an execution is the planned and cold-blooded killing of a human.

So basically, you're ok with murder, as long as the government isn't involved. Great mentality to have. Just let it be know to those who kill that the worst that can happen is they get to live for free for the remainder of their life. Awesome!!

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 3377 times:
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Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 17):
So basically, you're ok with murder, as long as the government isn't involved

Here is the guy's post:

Quoting aloges (Reply 16):
Executions are state-sponsored, premeditated murder and that's an end of it. Paint it with as much self-righteous outrage at criminals as you like, but the fact remains that an execution is the planned and cold-blooded killing of a human.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 12):
I highly doubt the US has actually executed an innocent person since resuming executions in 1976.

I take it you also doubt gravity?

Why would you allege that he is ok with murder when he quite clearly didn't say anything even close to that? It simply does not follow.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9097 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

Question to the Americans here:

Is the police and the state attorneys office legally obliged to look for evidence that exonerates a suspect or are they happy once they found enough evidence against the suspect to have a case?

I sometimes have the impression that in the US justice system suspects have to prove that they are innocent whereas here in Germany it is so that the state has to prove that a suspect is guilty.

Another question : do jurors know what "in dubio pro reo" means, are they briefed to understand that?



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User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 16):
Executions are state-sponsored, premeditated murder

While I am personally against capital punishment I disagree with your statement.

True, the court having passed sentence requires the state to arrange the killing of an individual, but it is lawful. We might not like that fact, but lawful execution is not murder. Murder is, depending on the jurisdiction, unlawful homicide with malice aforethought. It is distinguished from other crimes, like manslaughter where death occurs but is not deemed to have been premeditated. State sanctioned killing, where it is lawful and not simply getting rid of political opponents, is not murder any more than the state is committing murder when its soldiers kill someone while on active duty in a war zone.

Murder is a juridical construct that defines some killings but recognises that not all killings are murder.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Not wanting to get savaged by a Quokka  Wow! , but I must take issue here:

Quoting Quokka (Reply 20):
We might not like that fact, but lawful execution is not murder.

Very "nice"* construct - careful use of the word nice. But when you take into account practices seen to result in the following:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 3):
That remains to be seen:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/exec...ocent
Quoting wn700driver (Reply 5):
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Ray_Krone.php

your nice distinction tends to fall apart. Remember the journalism students in Illinois who found that many witness statements were impossible (for example one was apparently able to see through through a steel post).

At that point your "nice" definition as lawful execution becomes a variety of murder. Arguably, pre-meditated murder too. Which at least in part was Aloges point?

* http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&a...dOQD4-evgPjm-3HBg&ved=0CBUQkQ4
Fine or subtle

- a nice distinction


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 21):
a nice distinction

Yes, I have seen many reports of people having been wrongly convicted of offences that they did not commit. Which is one of the reasons why I stated at the beginning of my post that I am personally against capital punishment.

However, in my opinion that does not justify a statement that all executions by the state are murder.

Now, that wasn't too savage for a Quokka I hope.  


User currently onlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
I sometimes have the impression that in the US justice system suspects have to prove that they are innocent whereas here in Germany it is so that the state has to prove that a suspect is guilty.

The plantiff (in this case, law enforcement and government attorneys) is responsible for presenting evidence to convict the defendant. All the defendant has to do is cast a single shadow of a doubt that he or she is innocent or the evidence does not precisely target him or her to the crime.



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User currently offlinegatorfan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 5):
Seriously though, we execute more innocent people than any developed nation on earth, both in absolute numbers and by percentages.

How about China?

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
Is the police and the state attorneys office legally obliged to look for evidence that exonerates a suspect or are they happy once they found enough evidence against the suspect to have a case?

The burden is on the state to prove the crime. They need not look for exculpatory evidence but are legally obliged to share any such evidence they have with the defense attorney. Though on many occassions they have not done so. I recently heard an NPR piece on Harry Connick Jr.'s father who was the New Orleans District Attorney. His office was caught several times not sharing exculpatory evidence with the defense on many murder cases.


25 NIKV69 : Well don't kill anybody and you have nothing to worry about.
26 Post contains images aloges : Bullshit, and you know it. Murder is wrong, full stop, and it doesn't matter who commits the crime. Really? I'll just refer you to the lists of murde
27 PanHAM : Which, at the end of the day means that the defendant has to prove that he is innocent whereas in most European countries the state has to prove that
28 iakobos : According to your National Justice Institute, between 5 and 10% of convicts, behind bars and some on death row, are actually innocent, that makes it
29 NIKV69 : As long as they get to live the rest of their life unlike the person they killed. Again don't kill anybody! It's simple. If you rob someone don't sho
30 aloges : As you were saying: ...and soon the world will be blind. I get it. You think that vengeance is the same as justice. I on the other hand am happy that
31 Babybus : It's 2011 and capital punishment, for me, is something that belongs to primitive societies. I tend to go along the lines of our scandic brothers and t
32 Aaron747 : Crime rates are lower in this part of the world due to cultural differences. In many Asian societies, obligation to family is the first priority in o
33 NIKV69 : Yep I am sure this would have nothing to do with it. Under the Penal Code,[10] the commission of the following offences may result in the death penal
34 Post contains links and images aloges : Great... comparing one city-state with an entire nation as huge as the US will of course always provide meaningful data. Here's a list that should de
35 PanHAM : That list is incomplete, they left out PLANKING, i.e. being forced to jump off a plank on the side of a ship at high sea. These 2 items should become
36 Post contains images vikkyvik : To sum up my view very quckly: I'm generally against any form of punishment that cannot be undone, or at least commuted. Well, I won't say "no one", a
37 sw733 : I'm not going to share my thoughts on if the death penalty is right or wrong, but wow...reading a lot of those last statements is an absolutely fascin
38 NIKV69 : Lying or manufacturing evidence in a capital murder case usually is in most states. As for the gun thing I am not going to take the bait for a gun co
39 GST : I guess everyone gets to live for the rest of their life by definition... Attempts at humour aside murder is a hideous act, and one that can almost n
40 DeltaMD90 : I used to be for it, but then I realized that goes against Christianity (IMO.) Takes a lot to forgive the guilty, but it's the right thing to do
41 Springbok747 : Oh come on. You doubt those actual figures...which came from an anti death penalty website anyway. An average of 15,000 murders per year, so 35 years
42 Post contains links and images aloges : You're qualifying your earlier statement: which brings it a lot closer to the truth. In fact I'd only argue about the amount of "very"s used. A Googl
43 RussianJet : I did not say that. It's just that raw stats can only tell you so much about how the death penalty is implemented across the states. And why are thos
44 Post contains images aloges : Umm... This gentleman would disagree.
45 Post contains links NIKV69 : Well hey sometimes we need the man upstairs. Hows this for justsice? http://www.kwtx.com/news/headlines/C...derly_Woman_123774939.html?ref=939
46 Post contains images Maverick623 : As is everyone else in this thread. Emotion is the very thing that drives any notion of "justice", whether that be saving an innocent person from the
47 Post contains images vikkyvik : Forgot to mention that in my last post. It really is very interesting reading. I strongly doubt that. Unless you just happen to know some terrible pe
48 poz2brs : The way I see this issue was perfectly summed up by a case I heard reported on the radio recently where a convicted multiple rapist in the US was hand
49 Post contains links Springbok747 : This whole "innocent" thing is way overblown. http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/03...nocence-and-the-death-penalty.aspx http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages
50 aloges : I'm not sure what "justsice" is, but I'm glad you didn't ask me how it was for justice. All I feel is sorry for the victim, the criminal is hopefully
51 Maverick623 : There are certain people that think spanking a child on the rear is brutal and inhumane. Oh, really? That's interesting.... maybe you should take a l
52 Post contains images EDICHC : Would you hold the same view if YOU were on death row for a crime you didn't commit? Exactly I'm sure it is the best system that money can buy...as r
53 stratosphere : While I will agree there are maybe some questionable people who were sent to death row in the past. Four losers who definitely got put down and even
54 jcs17 : Provided there is overwhelming DNA or scientific evidence, or overwhelming witness testimony I am an ardent supporter of the death penalty for first-
55 Post contains links DocLightning : HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You really believe that? You really do? Tell me you aren't shitting us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execu
56 RussianJet : And many more still who think that spanking bears no comparison to killing people....
57 Baroque : One thing that is clear is that one major society has a minority that opposes the death penalty, while a large group of other societies has only a tin
58 Post contains images GST : An appeal doesn't help you if the exonerating evidence turns up after you're dead. Imprisonment with strong emphasis on rehabilitation until such a t
59 stratosphere : Anyone convicted of murder that involves the death penalty is either a murder 1 or murder 1 with aggravating circumstances in which case I don't care
60 cws818 : You have just illustrated one of the most confusing things about conservatives -- you don't think that the government (executive and legislative bran
61 wn700driver : There is an excellent probability that what you believe about that woman is spot - on. I say this from DFW, approximately 1000mi away from that "tria
62 slz396 : I thought this topic would be about the last words on death row, but it seems to be nothing but a discussion about capital punishment????
63 Springbok747 : How will we ever know if someone is really, truly rehabilitated? There have been many cases where people have been let out..only to commit the same/s
64 RussianJet : So kill them anyway?
65 GST : The OP made it quite clear that the intention of the thread was to debate thee death penalty, so I see no problem there. That said I guess we should
66 Springbok747 : If their guilt can be established a 100%, then yes. If there are doubts, then maybe other things should be taken into account, like the circumstances
67 474218 : For those that have been executed the recidivism rate is ZERO. The government does not determine if someone should be put to death. It is a "jury of
68 PanHAM : that applies üprobably to other styles of execution in that summary. At least that should be so in democracies and that's why the government branch
69 Post contains images EDICHC : Couldn't have put that better myself. Eloquently put...welcome to my RU list. And how do you compensate the wrongly executed? WRONG. Juries do not ca
70 Post contains links 474218 : I was on assignment in Trinidad in the late 1990's when a convicted drug trafficer was exicuted. The Trinidadian government then buruied his body, beh
71 Starbuk7 : And how do you compensate for the victims of the sicko's that were not executed, got released, and went ot to kill or rape more innocent people. That
72 PanHAM : simple cross reading comes to the result that the jury "recommends" the death sentence. That means the final decision is by the judge, which brings b
73 RussianJet : No, it obviously doesn't. There are plenty of options one can explore to compensate victims and punish the guilty without execution. But regardless o
74 Post contains links Baroque : This quote from Mullen seems to indicate that "outsiders" have now been informed of the aims. "He and his organisation are still threatening us, and
75 EDICHC : But that is a flawed argument as I have not advocated for the early release of life serving convicted murderers. A person wrongly convicted serving a
76 Baroque : Hence the irony of Bush taking on Al Qaeda.
77 Mudboy : I think that when you take away the most precious gift a human has of which you cannot give back, and it is proven that you are guilty without a doubt
78 PanHAM : I have a neutral position on capital punishment but reading some of the contributions here I'd rather prefer never to fall innocently into the hands o
79 Mudboy : You are correct, because Mudboy has worked in a career that has afforded him the pain, of having to testify in several murder trials, including a Cap
80 wn700driver : Your opinion is not invalid, certainly not for these reasons. I don't think there's anyone here would deny that there are humans (potentially all hum
81 sebolino : This slogan is great to calm down the population (a part of it) when something terrible happens. You just take vengeance on anybody and people are ha
82 Post contains images sebolino : LOL. Of course it is, it's "AMERICA" after all. I guess you know all other justice systems to say that ...
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