747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3863 posts, RR: 2 Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
This year is going to be a sad year for cruise ships fans at LA harbor, because Carnival, Royal Carribbean and now Princess, will stop their Mexican Rivera cruises from there. The reason Carnival and RCCL has stop their Mexican Riveria cruises, is due to the higher crime rate latey in Mexico. This is not just sad for cruise ship fans in the LA aera, but also tour bus and taxi /cab companies, are going to lose money thank to this. Also Port o call village on LA harbor or in Carnival case the Queen Mary in Long Beach will lose money.
I to say the criminals in Mexico, you did a great job in messing up a good thing!
Every now and then, I'll drive down and across the whole LA/Long Beach Harbors area (via the Vincent Thomas and the other bridge that goes from Terminal Island to Long Beach - so basically from the 110 to the 710). It's just a completely mesmerizing area.
It's always cool to see the cruise ships docked close to the Vincent Thomas bridge, but I'm much more impressed by the sheer volume of container cargo that travels through there!
Monaco harbour gets less and less cruise ships. Cunarders used to stop here every year at least 7 times two stops each and over - Monte Carlo was one of Cunard's top favourite Med cruises stop over. Now we are lucky if we get to see the Cunard Queens once a year for each.
Many cruise ships got cancelled this season and I see more cancellations. I don't see much in Cannes either. Villefranche gets less prestigious ships but even then, not like before.
The wealthies mega-yachts are constantly growing in numbers replacing the ships on the cruise ship pier and out. The mega-rich get more and more wealth while the rest of us are struck with difficult times. A proof that some are profiteering from the economic slump while most of us don't know what will come next.
The cruise industry is having a difficult time same as many other sectors.
[Edited 2011-06-20 01:39:30]
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Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40284 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1638 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6): You can see the economy is on the rebound by the increase in tonnage at the port.
Increase of good coming in from China that was once made in the US.
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7): The mega-rich get more and more wealth while the rest of us are struck with difficult times. A proof that some are profiteering from the economic slump while most of us don't know what will come next.
Must be nice to have some money tucked away in tax-exempt foundations and tap in to CCX and Goldman Sachs rake in some serious ca$h so I can buy a mega-yacht.
luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1585 times:
Having worked for several cruise lines the problem is Mexico cruises are not as popular as other destinations, thus you have to discount and sell for less of a profit. Also cruise line tend to place the older ships in the less popular markets, thus another less desired ship going on a less desired cruise, makes it a tough sell unless you discount heavy.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26692 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1538 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7): The cruise industry is having a difficult time same as many other sectors.
Au contraire. Not in the US.
The US cruise business is booming with record traffic in 2010 (10.6mil folks; up 13.5%) and strong financial earnings for the companies involved. Cruise ship utilization rates are up, all the while new ships continue to enter the market also.
The West Coast to Pacific Mexico destinations is simply a unique market that has seen decline (-21%) much due to the continued bad news out of Mexico.
As comparison other markets like Caribbean saw an 18% increase year over year, Canadian Maritimes +17%, Bahamas +13%, Central America/Trans-Canal +14%.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 10): Increase of good coming in from China that was once made in the US.
And nothing wrong with that in my book. If they can produce more cost efficient for the same or better quality amen to them.
Anyhow, port traffic is up all around the US, its not just a West Coast thing. Trade is rebounding nicely.
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EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13930 posts, RR: 61
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1455 times:
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 11): Having worked for several cruise lines the problem is Mexico cruises are not as popular as other destinations, thus you have to discount and sell for less of a profit.
That shouldn't be as big of a concern as you'd think though, as most cruise lines are realizing they'll make money not on fares, but on value-added services like premium onboard restaurants and the like. They also aggressively upsell in the room categories (Upgrade to an outside cabin for just $20 more per day! Upgrade to a suite for just $50 more per day!). In fact, RCCL and other lines are exploring flat daily rates for all-inclusive beer, wine and liquor. The cruise lines understand that low fares are the norm, and the change is structural, not cyclical - high fares won't be coming back.
In the case of Los Angeles, it's truly the concerns in Mexico that are driving traffic down.
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bananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1602 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1359 times:
I wonder how the year end results for the majors will look this year. There seemed a belief that Europe would be the easy way to make money, but by the time the troubles in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and so on were happening, it was by and large too late (and too expensive) to change much of the deployment. Royal was one of the few(perhaps the only) line to make a major change and pull a ship out of the Med early. Even so, yields are horrible and whilst I agree that on-board revenue is key, the low,low rates that I have heard are being offered are painful (at least from a cruise line point of view). Even with these deals, at least from a European market perspective, the numbers are not coming in in the volumes that would be expected.
Combine that with the fuel costs at the moment, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some lower profits on the back of the northern summer.
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