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Why Is It "the 4th Of July", Not July 4th?  
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1990 times:
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As per numerous other threads the US uses MM/DD/YYYY unlike most of the rest of us who use DD/MM/YYYY. The purpose of this thread is not to re-hash that particular issue or whether one format is inherently better than the other.

Recently it occurred to me that Americans tend to say "the 4th of July" when referring to their national day , based on their usual format I would have expected it to be referred to as "July 4th".

Does it strike anyone else as odd that Americans should refer to this date of all dates in such an "un-American" way?

Sorry if there have been previous threads on this, I tried a search and came up with nothing , but as we all know the search function can be a bit erratic.


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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2667 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

"Fourth of July" just sounds more dramatic than "July 4th." It's more lyrical, and has more cadence, more oomph.

Therefore that is how it became the more popular articulation.

(Someone once asked a visting Briton, "Do they have a Fourth of July in England?" He replied, "Yes we do, but we don't celebrate it.")



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25361 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Pretty simple as I understand it.

"the Fourth of July" is an event, Independence Day more specifically, while "July 4th" is simply a date.

Also from what I understand the name goes back to the 1800s when Congress declared the day a holiday and the legislation used the term "Fourth of July".



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Where I grew up, "July 4th" carried the same weight as "The 4th of July."

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Actually in the military in the USA, they use DD/MM/YYYY formats for dating in correspondence, records. Why we use the MM/DD/YYYY format is just one of those imponderables like why we have drivers sit on the left side of a car whilst you in the Brit based countries do so on the right.

As others noted, calling it 'the 4th of July' does give it a special meaning, it is also shorter to use than Independence Day and give note of what is the most important date in our nation's history. Other countries also use such date references to their Independence Day, days of critical battles in their history, ect, in street names or references to them.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Thread starter):
Does it strike anyone else as odd that Americans should refer to this date of all dates in such an "un-American" way?


Not at all!!!!

July 4th is the "date".

The 4th of July is the "holiday"


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7378 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1845 times:
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and the 2nd of July is the proper day to celebrate.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

It's American to do that (be extremely inconsistent)  


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1754 times:
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Thanks for all the replies guys, I hadn't thought about using the format to distinguish the holiday from the date, but now that you say it, it makes sense ( sort of).


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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
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Also, wanting to emphasize the event by putting a "the" in front of it, it wouldn't work out the other way round: "the July 4th" doesn't sound right...


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