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Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist  
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Posted (3 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

I cannot raise the old thread on this - probably lost in the void between yesterday and two days before yesterday - but it appears this is back in the news.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...d=827b993b08a64d508721c205f946f07c
AP source: Accuser issues shake Strauss-Kahn case

By JENNIFER PELTZ, Associated Press – 4 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Questions that have surfaced about the credibility of a hotel housekeeper who has accused former International Monetary Fund leader Dominique Strauss-Kahn of raping her are leading prosecutors to seek a reduction in his pricey bail, a person familiar with the case said Thursday.

The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters not yet made public in court, told The Associated Press that prosecutors have raised issues about the accuser's credibility in the case against Strauss-Kahn, but would not elaborate on what those issues were.


Now there is a surprise.

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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

This is getting curiouser and curiouser...

Will DSK survive? Let's hope he gets released on his own recognizance - that maid is one dodgy character, can't wait to hear the gory details behind this honey trap...


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 1):
This is getting curiouser and curiouser...

Indeed, but mind you, it had a pretty high level of curious to start from, so fasten seat belts!  

I noticed an aside from his successor ?yesterday that she might consult DSK on some issues. Not a surprise except that she mentioned it.

Quoting comorin (Reply 1):
that maid is one dodgy character, can't wait to hear the gory details behind this honey trap...

"You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment." Francis Urquhart. AFAIK, DSK is not accused of having thrown any spare girls of a high building - as yet!


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

The sad part is if the maid's story is a lie, then it will become more difficult for women who are really raped or sexually assulted by powerful and rich men to be able to be seen as creditable and get justice.

If this was a set up - and that is possible - then you have to wonder who and what was behind this act. Was it her alone looking for some big cash? Was she set up or used by powerful people who wanted DSK out of power at the IMF? Could allegations of her having something like $100K in a bank account friends of DKS trying to ruin her creditably to get DSK out of trouble?

Hopefully the 'truth' will come out soon. If she lied or was involved in a criminal deal to get DSK, then revoke her asylum in the USA and send her back home as cruel as it would be. If DSK did assult this maid, then he should go to jail.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

So, it was a conspiracy after all ! I didn't expect this after all this time.

From the NYT article :

Quote:
According to the two officials, the woman had a phone conversation with an incarcerated man within a day of her encounter with Mr. Strauss-Kahn in which she discussed the possible benefits of pursuing the charges against him. The conversation was recorded.

That man, the investigators learned, had been arrested on charges of possessing 400 pounds of marijuana. He is among a number of individuals who made multiple cash deposits, totaling around $100,000, into the woman’s bank account over the last two years. The deposits were made in Arizona, Georgia, New York and Pennsylvania.
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
The sad part is if the maid's story is a lie, then it will become more difficult for women who are really raped or sexually assulted by powerful and rich men to be able to be seen as creditable and get justice.

The sad part is that the people throwing the book at DSK, feminists, females, or otherwise, didn't care about justice to begin with, or they would have waited.



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
If this was a set up - and that is possible - then you have to wonder who and what was behind this act. Was it her alone looking for some big cash? Was she set up or used by powerful people who wanted DSK out of power at the IMF?

Well, we know who benefited: Sarkozy got rid of his strongest contender for the presidency and got to install a loyal soldier as head of the IMF.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
Was she set up or used by powerful people who wanted DSK out of power at the IMF?

Talking of which:

Quoting racko (Reply 5):
and got to install a loyal soldier as head of the IMF.

and even more curious, this all emerges the day after his successor takes office. Too much of a coincidence to be suspicious. I mean you would not dare to be so obvious. Would you? Gawd, I don't know. What a mess.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
Hopefully the 'truth' will come out soon.

Nice thought, but I hope you are not taking any bets on that particular outcome!   

Does start to look at if Quick Draw McGraw might have made an error. How much is all that worth in damages in the US? Just as well the US will have maxed out its credit card by the time that would be determined!


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2090 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Bad news for some US Americans, who saw this "guilty little sleazy Frenchman" correctly handcuffed and degraded.  



(BTW. The operative word is: Frenchman)

[Edited 2011-07-01 02:11:06]


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9330 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

This whole case was is bizarre from the beginning. The whole story did not fit, except that if it really was a set-up, there would be no better place in the world for a frame than the USA.

All this is so ridiculous and the way the NY police and DA handled that tops everything. It will have to be seen in how strong the evidence really was, but even if the evidence was there in the beginning, how can a justice system parade someone who, in a state of the law is innocent until proven guilty, on a "perp" walk? "Perp" stands for perpetrator and anyone accused of a crime is that only after the jury has come to the verdict "guilty". The bail is set extremely high and the conditions for his release from Rikers are laughable. The electronic device is OK, but that should do it. An armed guard 24 hours AND a camera is gross. A daily report to the next precinct should have served the purpose as well. At least this must have been the safest place in Manhattan, no burglar would have dared to brake into that place.

We will not find out who framed DSK, but as Baroque said, it is obvious that a day after his successor is introduced in office all of a sudden new evidence pops up.

If the whole story fires back on the NY Police and DA it will be interestinmg to learn how big the compensation will be. The Hotel is responsibvle for their employees and Sofitel is the flagship of the Accor Group, which is French and the largest hotel group in the world. .



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User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 2502 times:

If it appears that the maid lied, and that NY Police was a little too fast to believe her, I guess somebody will have to pay a large amount of cash for the incredible damages DSK suffered.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
Was she set up or used by powerful people who wanted DSK out of power at the IMF?

Not just the IMF. DSK was the centre-left hopeful for next year´s French presidential elections, with good chances of winning over the conservative Sarkozy. Due to the whole affair DSK has missed the deadline for anouncing his candidacy, also, even if he will be aquitted, his reputation has been permanently damaged.
Now the French election will be a race between Sarkozy and the ultra-nationalist, ultra-rightwing (bordering on fascism) Mme. LePen. So many people, who else never would have voted for Sarkozy will vote for him as the smaller evil to keep Mme. LePen away from presidency.

The whole affair could well result in the discovery that the maid made DSK a blatant sexual offer and, like many men, his brain switched off at this moment, never thinking about the risks he was running. Once the he came (and the maid got the evidence, his sperm, on her clothes), she started shouting rape and murder.

Jan

[Edited 2011-07-01 03:00:01]

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 2487 times:

No, DSK hasn't missed any deadline, the closer of which is for the socialist primary (which might even be changed for him). The deadline to be on the presidential ballot is many months away. At this point pretty much anything is possible, there are many candidates, Le Pen is not certain at all to be in the 2nd round of the election, and neither is Sarkozy.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21569 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months ago) and read 2477 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
The sad part is that the people throwing the book at DSK, feminists, females, or otherwise, didn't care about justice to begin with, or they would have waited.

I wonder if the New York Post will take back all those nice things they said about him. Probably not.  

-Mir



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Oh well, my judgment is still suspended, except that the case is obviously not as open and shut - probably either way - as was oft proclaimed. But it did walk like a duck, and quack like a duck.

User currently offlineiakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
But it did walk like a duck, and quack like a duck.

...but was not waterproof like a duck.

Where did the old thread go ?

Quoting Aesma (Reply 11):
No, DSK hasn't missed any deadline

Correct. If the case collapses (IF), DSK will be freed and free to make his choice on the candidacy.
What was seen as recently as yesterday as a dive to the pit could become a straight climb on afterburner to Presidency...with the involuntary help of US Justice and media.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting iakobos (Reply 14):
Where did the old thread go ?

Certainly do not ask me - spent about 20 minutes trying to summon it up without any success. I think the search system is suffering memory a bit like mine. I tend to remember 5 minutes ago, and 1955, but I am very sketchy about March 2011!!! Same with the Search. I can get DSK for 2010, and June 2011 but not earlier this year. Probably Google could find it, but you only seem to get Civil threads show up in Google.

Quoting iakobos (Reply 14):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
But it did walk like a duck, and quack like a duck.

...but was not waterproof like a duck.

Indeed, but the question what was I writing about, the prosecution case or the is the fix in theory of the case? Somethings seems not to have been at all waterproof.

Curious about the phone intercept. Were the police suspicious from the start, did they pick up that call from some other case they were looking (listening to) at. That itself could be worth another thread - to be lost in the Search miasma!

DSK might get out just in time to buy a Greek island and help the bail out. Hope you guys are OK there, a map on our news tonight had Athens out in the Aegean Sea!!!! No mention of a huge quake either.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

The case was not really discussed at the hearing (the assistant DA just said there was an attack, we don't drop the charges), however DSK is now free in the US. He walked out of the court with his wife, smiling.

The lawyer for the alleged victim is ranting since dozens of minutes in front of the court, telling some pretty private details...



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Breaking news:
DSK released without bail. There still will be a trial, but DSK has been released on a word of honour to attend the trial and the bail money has been returned to him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13993866

The credibility of the alleged victim has more and more been doubted. DSK admitts that there was a sexual contact, but according to him it was consentual.

Jan


User currently offlineiakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

And another "confidence" (from DA's office) at this minute:
the alleged victim has cleaned three suites or bedrooms right after the incident.

Kind of heroic with a torn ligament of the right shoulder, the damaged vagina, broken panties, state of shock and whatever her lawyer vividly described earlier today, isnt' it ?

The link with a convict, the phone conversation with him pertaining to how to exploit the case, the sizeable money transfers from third parties on her bank account, the (apparent) absence of immigration papers....
me thinks she went from alleged victim to suspected perjurer in a heartbeat.

I do not read in crystal balls but it looks a lot as if some kind of "moment of a sexual nature" triggered a mercantile mechanism in her.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3617 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 6):
Does start to look at if Quick Draw McGraw might have made an error. How much is all that worth in damages in the US? Just as well the US will have maxed out its credit card by the time that would be determined!

There will be no "damages" paid by police or prosecutors. An allegation was made and they have a responsibility to react. IF the maid is found to be lying, then she could be prosecuted and DSK could seek damages from her. Good luck with that.

Quoting sebolino (Reply 9):
If it appears that the maid lied, and that NY Police was a little too fast to believe her, I guess somebody will have to pay a large amount of cash for the incredible damages DSK suffered.

The police have no choice but to believe her under the circumstances. The man was leaving the country to a country with which there is no extradition treaty. Perhaps this might have played out differently if not for that fact and also the Polanski case?

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
Curious about the phone intercept. Were the police suspicious from the start, did they pick up that call from some other case they were looking (listening to) at. That itself could be worth another thread - to be lost in the Search miasma!

All phone calls made in jail are recorded. Once the prosecutors started checking into the maid, they found a call with the jail and it was simply a matter of requesting the tape.

Quoting iakobos (Reply 18):
The link with a convict, the phone conversation with him pertaining to how to exploit the case, the sizeable money transfers from third parties on her bank account, the (apparent) absence of immigration papers....
me thinks she went from alleged victim to suspected perjurer in a heartbeat.

Remember, just because the maid may be a criminal herself, does not mean an attack did not take place or that she is lying about this. That is yet to be determined.
Lets say there really was a rape and the prosecutor decided to drop the charges simply because they are worried about how her credibility would stand up against his expensive defense team. She would have much more reason to scream about the travesties of US justice than any of DSK's worshipers.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8225 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

I saw a part of the statement of the woman's lawyer.


Most important point he maid (IMHO) was that the #3 person in the DA's office was married to one of DSK's defense attorneys. The woman's attorney (who was a federal prosecutor with the #2 in the DA's office) asked the DA if the #3 had made any declaration within the DA's office that she was recusing herself from the case because of her husbands involvement. The answer was No. So basically the Prosecutor is sleeping with the Defense Attorney - every night.

Another interesting point was the the woman did have a damaged shoulder after the "attack".

There is no question about sex - DNA proves that. The only issue, it seems is that of rape or consent. In addressing that question I believe that money will win out, especially with the potential pillow talk going on in the case.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
The sad part is if the maid's story is a lie, then it will become more difficult for women who are really raped or sexually assulted by powerful and rich men to be able to be seen as creditable and get justice.

It is always difficult for a woman who was raped to get taken care of. In this case we have a very wealthy, very powerful man and a hotel maid. My bet is that DSK walks, especially with his "in" at the DA's office.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21569 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
There still will be a trial

There MIGHT be a trial. The prosecution could still decide to drop charges if they don't think they can get a case.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
There is no question about sex - DNA proves that. The only issue, it seems is that of rape or consent.

And DSK has admitted there was sex. But whether it was consensual or not comes down to an issue of whether the jury believes him or her, since nobody else was around. And if the prosecution thinks there are issues with her credibility, then you're probably not going to convince a jury that she's believable.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
IF the maid is found to be lying, then she could be prosecuted and DSK could seek damages from her. Good luck with that.

Depends a bit if it turns out she had co-conspirators, assuming there was a conspiracy, which I don't.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
Curious about the phone intercept. Were the police suspicious from the start, did they pick up that call from some other case they were looking (listening to) at. That itself could be worth another thread - to be lost in the Search miasma!

All phone calls made in jail are recorded. Once the prosecutors started checking into the maid, they found a call with the jail and it was simply a matter of requesting the tape.

At last something with a simple and believable explanation!!! I guess that would figure, but it suggests that the conspirators were either as ignorant of phone tapping in the US as I am or rather stupid!

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
The police have no choice but to believe her under the circumstances.

Distant observers certainly agree with this point. But - especially with a case that was likely to be she said, he said - it was the made for TV arrest performance that grated. Yes a charge had to be made, but maybe not the performance.

What is even more irritating is that our police seem to think it is a good idea to follow that type of practice. We had some company execs arrested over bribery charges Friday amid much smug satisfaction by our police. Said police have been working closely with police forces in two of the countries involved. I wonder if our police would like to provide all their accounts to demonstrate no illegal payments have been made. It is a bit like the point that Ken is making. The law should be like Caesar's wife. I rather doubt if our lot have been and according to Ken, well ......


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

While DSK's behavior was far from exemplary, the DA Cyrus Vance Jr and the NYPD showed poor judgement in the manner of arrest. Even Mike Bloomberg gloated as he justified the 'Perp Walk', a lynch-mob favorite. Jerry Orbach (L&O) would have done it with class.

NYT talks about the DA here:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...01/mr-vances-spectacular-botch/?hp


NYC voters gobble this stuff up however, and the will of the people bashed those fancy French folk, especially them with Diplomatic Immunity (lowest of the low in Queens). My provincial little town detests uppity foreigners who we saved in WW2 and all, and are now taking up all the good parking spots.

Folks, It's time to end the charade. We have nothing against foreigners, but we prefer them from the huddled masses. Let's just defund and move the IMF, UN and the World Bank to Vienna. American taxpayers back these institutions, where a good hard-working American ends up with a foreigner as a boss. What is that about! At least the US military don't take no orders from some blue-capped dudes.

 


User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1946 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
The sad part is if the maid's story is a lie, then it will become more difficult for women who are really raped or sexually assulted by powerful and rich men to be able to be seen as creditable and get justice.

      

This is the saddest thing.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
Oh well, my judgment is still suspended

So many people here have vested interests in lying, on all sides...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
25 wn700driver : Hey! This american called it from day one! I was and am truly amazed that something so blatantly fishy could have been taken this seriously in the fi
26 Post contains links aloges : This is the original thread on the "sleazy rich european playboy" arrested by the "best justice system in the world": IMF Leader Arrested At JFK For S
27 wn700driver : The only issues with her credibility deal directly with this case. I literally haven't heard/read anything else about her; hell our gestapos won't ev
28 OzGlobal : If this is a joke, I'm missing it....A global economic community has global organisms such as IMF, UN and World Bank. Everyone has taxpayers and they
29 iakobos : Thanks Aloges Just a guess...another unscheduled appearance in court within 10 days, case dropped and DSK receives his passport. I disagree, his (K Th
30 Post contains links iakobos : Interesting document that brings some light on the personality of the claimant. http://www.france24.com/fr/files_fr/lettre-dsk-1er-juillet.pdf
31 MD11Engineer : Sounds like my Sierra Leonian ex-wife. Jan
32 Post contains images iakobos : Come on Jan, no easy cliché please.
33 Aesma : I found this part from the NYT most interesting, highlighting the exact feeling of unreasoned rush we got from France : I do believe that, whatever he
34 Post contains links Baroque : That is one of the reasons I was a bit irritated I could not find the original thread, it does preserve what one might term "an interesting range of
35 Mir : She'd only be able to point the finger at herself. Want to be able to win a case where it's your word against someone else's? Better not create a his
36 Baroque : Hearty seconding of that. And especially for cases that are clearly from the get go of the "She said" "He said" variety which is going to be the case
37 Post contains images comorin : OzGlobal, did you not see the at the end of the post? While I was being sarcastic, it is, unfortunately, not far from the truth.
38 Baroque : I think that was your problem comorin, too realistic. You need to go a bit more over the top to be safe, if that is not too Irish! I had to read it t
39 Ken777 : Is there a senior person in the DA's office married to one of the defense lawyers? The #3 person - which is somewhat senior? Has she recused herself?
40 Post contains images OzGlobal : Yes, I did and I rightly judged as you now confirm, that you were only 'half-joking'. My comments should be takend then as addressed to your serious
41 comorin : The American middle class is under severe economic stress after many decades and that brings out fear. They have no idea what caused it, except that
42 Mir : Maybe she was delighted that her husband wasn't in house arrest anymore. Neither you nor I have any idea what she's thinking. -Mir
43 falstaff : According to an article I read in today's St. Louis Post Dispatch the woman lied on her form for political asylum, lied about her income to get federa
44 racko : It's simply none of your business. Whatever arrangements they have within their marriage is their private decision.
45 Aesma : We French have a more relaxed view on sexual matters than in the US, which frankly isn't difficult. We still don't really know what happened, now the
46 Post contains images iakobos : Totally unimportant at this or any previous stage in this case. You can also raise the resignation of the NY sex crime unit chief (also in charge of
47 MD11Engineer : Which is not a crime, and therefore none of the DA´s business (nor ours). Jan
48 NoUFO : While I am not Aloges, it is actually quite simple. Enter Strauss-Kahn IMF leader site:airliners.net into Google's search field and you are done. sit
49 iakobos : A collective thank you from the few remaining representatives of the crystal detection era.
50 NoUFO : Google can do a lot more than many people think. Do a "search" for this (no " " please) : 3.79 USD per gal in EUR per liter
51 Mir : Saw that as well - I'll wait for something from a more reputable source than that before believing it. -Mir
52 Post contains images aloges : That's almost exactly what I did.
53 Baroque : Ask and ye shall find. Thanks. Wonder if it will help me next time I get a fail mark on Google. I do realise it is far more powerful that I wot of. I
54 Post contains images connies4ever : Absolutely, and this thought goes through my mind every time I read of a false accusation. Another checkmark. Although I think it would be hard to li
55 Aesma : There was/is an assault claim on TV, no complaint and no charge (and thus, no inquiry, fact checking, witnesses testimonies, etc.).
56 Post contains images comorin : Hunh??
57 seb146 : He sounds like a Democrat. But seriously, if anything happened, she will not have justice served. I knew that from the beginning because money trumps
58 KaiGywer : It's not phone tapping... He used a jail phone, which I'm sure has a sign right by it (or somewhere...they are advised...) stating that all calls are
59 jcs17 : It what it is. France, for its bluster about its superior values (see: Iraq War), finds a guy with an insatiable appetite for sex to be an appropriate
60 Post contains links Baroque : A rose by any other name .......... Which reminds on of Maureen Dowd's article http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...as-right-again-20110703-1gx63.h
61 iakobos : From Iakobos, previous thread... Just a blind hypothesis: they have the account of the alleged victim found traces of sperm on her skirt traces of his
62 Post contains images Baroque : Do not dispute any of the items in the list iakobos, but as the assessments of GWB and the gang were pretty universal around the world, it is still a
63 Aesma : Breaking news #1 : Tristane Banon's lawyer announces on internet, a newspaper, and at the moment on television, that he's sending a complaint to the F
64 MD11Engineer : The attempted rape allegedly happened back in 2002. How can there be any other evidence then "she said, he said"? Why didn´t report it to the police
65 iakobos : Universal perhaps not, I seem to remember that Washington invented something like the COW (coalition of the willing) with an impressive 40+ nations i
66 Aesma : Well, translation is always difficult, especially in a judicial context, but in French the accusation is "tentative de viol" which literally translate
67 iakobos : "Viol" (rape) in French civil law includes very clearly the notion of penetration. Sexual assault (aggression sexuelle ou à caractère sexuel) is wha
68 ltbewr : This is why we have investigations and a justice system. Still, while the USA criminal justice system has some great benefits it is also has some seri
69 Aesma : I'm not discussing the facts (that I don't know, well I know what she said and I agree it's at most a sexual assault), I'm just saying she's claiming
70 Post contains images Aaron747 : What the hell does this have to do with anything? America is an amalgamation of the values and work ethic brought by all immigrants who landed on her
71 NIKV69 : Damn is she cute! Yet why is she doing this so many years after the fact?
72 iakobos : Horrible thinking perhaps, but her books do not sell that well (actually she is pretty well unknown) and the DSK affair with a colleague and now his
73 Baroque : I did write pretty universal, and aside perhaps from Poland, those assessments were perhaps the most penetrating in two of the coalition of the willi
74 iakobos : If I have a look at the permanent seats at the UN security council and remember the verbal clashes about the WMD, Hans Blix and his inspectors, Gener
75 NIKV69 : Hearing on talknews this morning charges will most likely be dropped when he attends his next court date. What a joke. I am embarrassed to be a NYer.
76 Baroque : Oh I know who he is and given his role in the US-Aus "Free trade agreement" there would be a fair few cheers here if the French were by some chance t
77 n229nw : I'm sorry, but the whole conspiracy theory that he was victimized by the American press and justice system because he was French (esp. because of the
78 Post contains images iakobos : If I am not totally mistaken, the (allegedly suspected...) conspiracy is not about the US Justice system but French connections. The chief of securit
79 Mir : There's no way you could keep the arrest of someone like DSK quiet. You would have to announce it, but the appropriate thing to do would be to keep t
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