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A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12564 posts, RR: 35
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Over the past two years or so, there has been a lot of investigation - criminal and parliamentary - into allegations that tabloid journalists (mostly from the News of the World, part of the Murdoch group) have hacked into the mobile phones of celebrities and reading their texts. Underhanded and clearly an invasion of privacy; many have sued successfully.

However, it's now being reported that something much worse happened. It's being alleged that the mobile phone of Millie Dowler was hacked after she disappeared. Millie Dowler was murdered and her killer has only been sentenced to life imprisonment within the past two weeks or so. The allegation is that this investigator hacked into her mobile phone and DELETED some of her messages, making room for new ones, giving the family the impression that she may still be alive - at a time when they must have been beside themselves with anxiety, worry and grief.

It's hard to imagine that someone would do something like this. The British popular press has done many horrible, dishonourable and nasty things over the years, but if this is proven, it will be a new low. It beggars belief that anyone could have acted in such an insensitive manner.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-World-private-investigators.html

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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
It beggars belief that anyone could have acted in such an insensitive manner.

It does indeed. Where does that trail end?

Last week the Aus government seemed to stop a tender for overseas broadcasting that appeared to have been won or to be about to be won by Sky News.

There is a known dislike between the government and Sky, but that is longstanding. So why the move late last week? Is it possible that they got preliminary news of this and where it might lead? Some reports here have been saying that the political and police connections of NoW will receive a bit more attention in the UK. Which you would think was long overdue.

I guess if that is the case, Gillard might not want our official overseas broadcasting to be associated with this sort of performance.

Murdoch seems to have been able to wriggle out of it via loads of cash so far, but this might go a bit beyond cash might it not?


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13239 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Nothing that Murdoch's rags does shocks me.
News Of The World does however usually plumb new depths first.

Often read by those to react to their sensationalism on crime stories with the desired 'hang 'em and flog 'em' reactions.
(You would not know reading any of them that crime has been falling for years, that average sentences for serious crimes like murder are much longer than in the past).

Of even greater concern is that collusion - over decades - of police officers feeding tabloids information on cases.
IMHO this should be punished with dismissal and loss of pension rights, it's a massive breach of trust.

This whole sordid mess had from the start Murdoch's minions claiming it's a 'one off' or 'isolated' then 'a few bad apples'.
With the Met Police it seems being less than vigorous in pursuing the escalating scandal until the pressure became too much.
Then we have the issue of politicians being scared of Murdoch. Bullies only react to weakness with worse surely?

Away from this case, we have tabloid papers - not just Murdoch's - under investigation for contempt of court. A murder case involving multiple killer Levi Bellfield had to dropped also.
The solution here is obvious. If found guilty either impose a fine so heavy it threatens the commercial viability of the paper or more realistically, lock up editors of papers found to have been in contempt of court.

They have too much power but with no sense of responsibility.


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

If it is true that an employee ( journalist is too decent a word to describe such a person) actually hacked into and deleted messages they should be charged with tampering with evidence and perverting the course of justice. If that person's employer knew and/ or condoned that behaviour s/he too should be similarly charged.

It is disgraceful that these people seek to profit from other people's anguish to the extent of hindering an investigation by the police. It clearly shows that these people have no concept of ethical behaviour. But why does that surprise no-one?


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
Then we have the issue of politicians being scared of Murdoch.

I have to ask, scared or paid? Just on average, could be some of each.

If there was not a sinister side to that, why ever would the police be so lackadaisical?

The bad apple theory is about as valid as it was at Abu Graib. Anyway, ever seen what happens to a pile of apples if one goes bad? One of the most stupid phrases I have ever met!


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14127 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
Then we have the issue of politicians being scared of Murdoch.

I have to ask, scared or paid? Just on average, could be some of each.

I remember having heard Murdoch being quote (was it back during the first election campaign of Blair?) that he doesn´t care who is British PM UNDER HIM.
With his press empire he can make or break politicians.

Jan


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
With his press empire he can make or break politicians.

As he does, to a certain degree, in the US with Fox News.



Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21495 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
The bad apple theory is about as valid as it was at Abu Graib. Anyway, ever seen what happens to a pile of apples if one goes bad? One of the most stupid phrases I have ever met!

100 points for the gentleman over there!   

It's a phrase with its own built-in irony out of the box...!


User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3018 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

It should be pointed out that the "journalist" illegally accessed the voicemails, not texts, of Millie and the other victims. This was by using the remote voicemail access and trying the default password - so not hacking, per se.

Still, this does not excuse the actions, and the editors who allowed this to happen under them - they should be sacked at the very least, and prosecuted for perverting the course of justice and obstructing an investigation ("deleting" possible evidence).

signol



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13239 posts, RR: 77
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

The best way to pressure our leaders on this, is make clear, all the time, that the odious Ms Wade spent a portion of Christmas Day at Mr Cameron's house, that they go horse riding together, that she and the equally repellent James Murdoch has had meeting with the Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt, without Civil Servants being present .

Many people shrugged and saw the hacking scandal as being about celebs, (though members of the Royal Family, MP's and Ministers also were victims).
The sordid and murder investigation disrupting Dowler case however changes all of this in the minds of many.

Still, if you are appalled, don't buy his rags, don't have Sky TV.
This is also a test for the British public too.

The poisonous Ms Wade has been very keen to run tabloid campaigns for people in public life to resign after a scandal, even if they claimed to have no knowledge of it. So, why hasn't she gone. Same defence after all.

When the Sun reported, completely falsely, that Liverpool Football Fans pissed on, robbed bodies of fellow fans who had just been crushed to death in the 1989 Hillsborough disaster, the circulation of that 'paper' has never recovered in that city.
Though I bet many of the boy-cotters have Sky.

This scandal just gets bigger and bigger, it took 6 months for Cameron to be pushed into 'letting go' Andy Coulson, his press secretary, who was Editor of News Of The World at the time of the other hacking scandals.
Since then more has emerged, it's said also that there might be other revelations 'even worse than the Dowler case'.
The mind boggles.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

It's time that this particular newspaper is shutdown, and some very stringent operating guidelines are placed on publications from the parent company. One more strike, and they are out - banned from publication.

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
This is also a test for the British public too.

For many, it doesn't directly affect them - so they don't care.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

There are new allegations that some of these jerks at NOTW and minions to Murdoch also hacked into the cell/mobile phones of persons or their families who were victims of the 7/7 London terror bombings.

Here in the USA, any such acts of hacking into anyone's computer, cellphone, etc would mean a harsh criminal prosecution on privacy law violations as well as subject to civil damages, especially if it interferes with a police investigation.

I am not sure how it works as to freedom of the press (media) in the UK, but unlike the USA, they do have some powers to restrain or punish them, especially if they violate strict rules as to covering the Royal Family, also involved in these alleged phone scandals.

The best course of action would be people stop buying Murdoch's newspapers, put pressure on major advertisers to stop supporting them, and basically starve them of money to kill them off. I also think the UK government should deny at this time the merger of BSkyB with a competitor dish TV system.

Oh, here in the USA, the NY Post, another rag of Murdoch, is being sued for liable and slander by the maid in the DSK rape allegation case as the Post headlined that she was a hooker, etc. She is bringing her case in Bronx County, NY City, in state court, one very friendly to Plaintiffs going after deep pocket companies, the government, hospitals, etc, so I suspect she will have a good shot of getting a big judgment or at least make the Post's attorneys and executive sweat.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
Here in the USA, any such acts of hacking into anyone's computer, cellphone, etc would mean a harsh criminal prosecution on privacy law violations as well as subject to civil damages, especially if it interferes with a police investigation.

Nothing much will be done about it, as the boss of the company is very powerful and his media outlets can topple governments/companies that disagree with him. That's why nothing can be done about this, unless consumers stop buying newspapers or watching their TV broadcasts.

But that won't happen either, because the Mr Joe Public doesn't care about this until his phone is the one that is hacked.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12564 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

So far, we have heard allegations that, in addition to Millie Dowler's phone being accessed (and messages tampered with), the phones of the Soham victims (two young pre-teen girls) AND the families of victims of the 7/7 bombings were accessed. This raises a question over how many people were doing this. I doubt if these revelations will be the last to come out; the NOTW will probably try and say that it was all the work of one or two rogue journalists, but the extent of the practice seems to suggest that it was widely done and over a long period.

It also raises the questions of editorial control, because any information obtained as a result of this practice SHOULD have been questioned, the editor's job being to ask "how can you know this?" or "when/how did you get this information?" Obviously we don't know exactly what goes on in the NOTW offices, but we do know that one doesn't become a senior journalist in a British tabloid newspaper (particularly this one) by being naive and innocent. Someone at a senior level MUST have known about this practice and any investigation MUST NOT rest at simply finding and jailing scapegoats.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
Still, if you are appalled, don't buy his rags, don't have Sky TV.

As I have not been buying The Australian since 11 November 1975, and I fall over myself when in the UK to avoid the DDs publications, do I qualify for a suitable medal? The DWTDD award perhaps. Down with the Dirty Digger.

Quoting cpd (Reply 10):
It's time that this particular newspaper is shutdown, and some very stringent operating guidelines are placed on publications from the parent company. One more strike, and they are out - banned from publication.

Generous to a fault, why the one more strike. Their efforts justify your remedy now. Or at the least fine the buggers out of existence.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
So far, we have heard allegations that, in addition to Millie Dowler's phone being accessed (and messages tampered with), the phones of the Soham victims (two young pre-teen girls) AND the families of victims of the 7/7 bombings were accessed. This raises a question over how many people were doing this.

Fair point, he would have to be a busy little beaver to get around all those phones by himself. Wonder if the "service" was outsourced to India. Not beyond the bounds of possibility is it.

But what about paying the police? I mean this is the most astonishing bit. Do the police have a record of agreed payments, did it go through whoever it is ???Comptroller and Auditor General??? It is like our police gloating over pinging the folk at Securrency for bribing Indonesian officials while they themselves are working there and there is no way that the Indonesian police will not be demanding off the books payments.

Juvenal - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who watches the watchmen? Bring back Lord Denning! Assuming he would be in his post 1991 frame of mind!


User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 14):
But what about paying the police? I mean this is the most astonishing bit. Do the police have a record of agreed payments, did it go through whoever it is ???Comptroller and Auditor General???

I think it's just a case of a badly written article (if you're referring to the BBC one?).

New allegations have emerged of payments to the police as the row around the News of the World escalates.

The paper's owners have passed to the police e-mails which appear to show that payments were authorised by the then editor, Andy Coulson.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14040841

It's not exactly clear who the payments were made to. Were they made to the victims to hush things up? I don't know.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 15):
I think it's just a case of a badly written article (if you're referring to the BBC one?).

New allegations have emerged of payments to the police as the row around the News of the World escalates.

Ah, you may be correct. Hope so. Otherwise!!!! But it is the "otherwise" that is being picked up by other news outlets.

It is all so strange, that paying off the police seems possible. At least it would explain why the said police were so slow to pursue the complaints, but I hope you are right and it was sloppy writing. Time for Arrow to assist them I think.

Beware the writers of headlines!!


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14127 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
The best course of action would be people stop buying Murdoch's newspapers, put pressure on major advertisers to stop supporting them, and basically starve them of money to kill them off. I also think the UK government should deny at this time the merger of BSkyB with a competitor dish TV system.

What about using some oldfashioned anti-trust laws to break up this concentration of media power? You can see with Berlusconi´s Italy what can happen if one person controls 80% of a nation´s media.

Quoting cpd (Reply 12):
Nothing much will be done about it, as the boss of the company is very powerful and his media outlets can topple governments/companies that disagree with him. That's why nothing can be done about this, unless consumers stop buying newspapers or watching their TV broadcasts.

I remember how PM Major was dropped by Murdoch´s empire and how this helped Blair to win the election.
Here in Germany we have the Axel Springer publishing group, which owns several newspapers (among them "Bild", the german equivalent of the "Sun"), but AFAIK there exists a media watchdog to prevent one person or company from getting too much power.

AFAIK the EU parliament tried to introduce such measures, one reason why Murdoch is so rabidly anti-EU.

Jan


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1626 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
The best way to pressure our leaders on this, is make clear, all the time, that the odious Ms Wade spent a portion of Christmas Day at Mr Cameron's house, that they go horse riding together, that she and the equally repellent James Murdoch has had meeting with the Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt, without Civil Servants being present .

This is where it all goes wrong.

Trying to politicise this, and make it appear that, in some way, Cameron and the conservatives are linked to, or behind this appalling behaviour takes it all a step too far.

All politiicans want to cosy up to editors of news papers, on the left on the right, and in the centre. In the last labout governement I recall there were all kinds of events and parties laid on by Mr Murdoch around the world where labours spin doctors and MP's attended.

The fact that Mr Cameron and Mr Hunt are doing the same, is no different, and a distraction to the story at hand.

This does need a public enquiry, and a boycott of NOTW by the public would be a good way for the public to voice their disaproval.


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
What about using some oldfashioned anti-trust laws to break up this concentration of media power? You can see with Berlusconi´s Italy what can happen if one person controls 80% of a nation´s media.

Well, the opposite is happening. Cameron just said today that they'll allow the takeover of BSkyB by Murdoch. Which is hardly surprising considering how Murdoch's papers campaigned for him:
The Sun cover.


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Some companies appear to be distancing themselves from NOWT in the wake of growing anger. I say appear because some of those approached used the term "reviewing" rather than placing advertising elsewhere. Let us hope that more companies do likewise as that is the only advertising revenue that allows the gutter press exert influence and show contempt for decent people.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 15):
I think it's just a case of a badly written article (if you're referring to the BBC one?).

New allegations have emerged of payments to the police as the row around the News of the World escalates.

Ah, you may be correct. Hope so. Otherwise!!!! But it is the "otherwise" that is being picked up by other news outlets.

I withdrew a bit too quickly. In an earlier HoC enquiry the NOWT woman admitted paying the police for information in relation to criminal investigations. Now emails reveal the same. The policeman in charge of the investigation at that time now works as a columnist for News Ltd.

And Prescott has just been on Lateline with a long interview in which he spills all this and more. It seems he may be taking legal action partly with a view to laying bare who did what and who knew but without agreeing to the concealment clauses for being paid off by News Ltd.

This is just the link piece,
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3263026.htm

So in summary, the News organization has made widespread and illegal intercepts of private phones, celebrities, Royals and pollies and now victims and relatives of victims of crimes. It also appears there was a system of paying police service/individual policemen (not clear which or both perhaps). It seems clear now that the police cannot be used to investigate the matter.

Meanwhile some advertisers are withdrawing copy from NOWT, but not clear yet that they are boycotting News Ltd. Moves to stop the purchase of the remaining part of BSkyB on the grounds of association with illegal activities.

And a hint from Prescott that Australia (and presumably the US too) might want to see if similar goings on have gone on in Australia.

The Prescott interview link is up and there will be a transcript of this link in about 4 or 5 hours.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3263034.htm

Covers a lot of the ground in this thread. The interview runs for about 17 minutes. And yes you can view it if you do not live in Australia - message to BBC!!!!

Bob Brown's ears will have been flapping - with joy.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

The transcript is now up at
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3263034.htm
A couple of the more startling bits.
TONY JONES: What impact could the public revulsion over the Milly Dowler phone hacking scandal and everything that's flowing from it have on Rupert Murdoch's plans to extend his media empire in Britain?

JOHN PRESCOTT: Well, to my mind, he's not a fit and proper person to be able to extend his media to take over BSkyB.

Just like that.
JOHN PRESCOTT: Hang on. Well, that's not Rupert Murdoch, is it?

But, look, he's publicly apologised and has been paying out an awful lot of money to actually deal with civil cases.

And if we give you one example: he's admitted criminal acts with the latest settlement with Sienna Miller, one of our celebrities here, and she got a settlement, but in the settlement in the court the Murdoch press said, "We won't tell you everything in this civil case what we've done, but we'll tell you privately."

They are desperate to see what they've done doesn't come out into open court, and that's why I've been taking an action against the police to examine exactly what was going on and this close relationship between the police, who they've now admitted they've been paying.

If this is coming over on our TV the UK Teev must be running hot????
The one appearance she did do, she admitted to paying the police. Now all the emails are coming out apparently and showing just how much who was paid with the police and paid by Murdoch press.
That seems to indicate the Emails show who and how much.
TONY JONES: Only 24 hours ago, News International handed over to police investigators details of payments made by the News of the World to senior police officers. Now, could all of those payments be construed as corrupt?

JOHN PRESCOTT: Well how is it only just comes out now? I mean, they've been saying since January, and Mr Murdoch when he made his public apology, they'd been lying up to that, but when he made his public apology saying, "My people have been doing this. We're going to work fully with the police and provide them with all the information."

All of a sudden they've now come up, we've got clear criminal offences of an admittance to paying the police. No doubt the names of the police are on there and the people who gave it. And it's suggested in our press today that Rebekah Wade was involved in that.

These are criminal acts.


I will nearly leave it on that note. One would assume a great deal of time would be needed to explain how paying the police was a normal course of events, if not criminal as Prescott stated. But I do have to add the last line:
JOHN PRESCOTT: Watch him in Australia as well.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13239 posts, RR: 77
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 18):
Trying to politicise this, and make it appear that, in some way, Cameron and the conservatives are linked to, or behind this appalling behaviour takes it all a step too far.

I doubt many, if any, say they are behind this stuff, linked to it? Oh yes.

They are not the first government to be unduly pressured by Murdoch, however the links the current lot have are closer than before. A lot closer.
Cameron and co just wanted this to go away. It was a huge error of judgement to ever employ Coulson (who Murdoch and his minions are now hanging out to dry) at No.10

It's not gone away due to not only this horrific escalation in the victims, but also due some dogged proper journalism - in the best Woodward & Bernstein tradition - and a few MP who unlike others (who have privately admitted their fear of Murdoch) who just have not bowed down.

This is criminality pure and simple, worse it could raise the prospect of convicted criminals raising appeals if such criminal acts were a part of the media 'coverage' of their trials.
(Not content with jeopardizing more recent trials, which the tabloids - not only Murdoch's - just keep on doing).

In any case, where did this race to the bottom in the UK press start? Who has lowered the bar - which commercially others think they have to follow - time and again?
Over a 40+ year period, it is, always has been, Murdoch.

I think a tipping point has been reached now, Cameron will have to act, which includes enacting whatever the public inquiry announced today recommends, strike some people off his Christmas dinner list, otherwise the splat of shit from Murdoch will settle on him.
People are just not going to forget the phone hacking of the tragic Milly Dowler, the Soham girl's families, the 7/7 families.
It's been a struggle to show people just how serious the abuses of the press, some police officers, the complicity of government actually is.
But now the victims are not just politicians, celebs, they are ordinary people who have suffered enough.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 21):
And a hint from Prescott that Australia (and presumably the US too) might want to see if similar goings on have gone on in Australia

He didn't hold back in that interview, that's for certain.


25 ltbewr : On a news program tonight (Keith Overmann's Countdown on Current) a guest on his show raised questions if any of Murdoch's median interests in the USA
26 Post contains images Baroque : Not that part specifically, but it appears - from the Guardian reports more than the BEEB because for some reason I cannot quite fathom the BEEB seem
27 Post contains links Baroque : I guess this removes most of that particular bit of ambiguity: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...acking-bribes-five-police-officers Investigators
28 petertenthije : Dutch NOS news is reporting that NOTW will be closed. Sunday will be the last publication, it will have no advertisements. All proceeds for sunday's e
29 Post contains links GrahamHill : News of the World will shut down: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...acking-Rebekah-Brooks-country.html
30 Post contains links lhr380 : Breaking on the BBC news site as well. Sunday will be the last issue and all proceeds going to Charity. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14070733
31 Ken777 : CNN is also saying it is shutting down. Personally I believe that the Murdoch Family is quite willing to sacrifice the paper in order to continue thei
32 oa260 : About time its a newspaper read by idiots.
33 shamrock350 : Just because the News of the World is being shut down doesn't mean anything has changed, it will probably just result in The Sun going 7 days a week a
34 lhr380 : I actually brought this paper now and then on a Sunday. It "was" the better of the Sunday papers that come out.
35 FlyingColours : I was watching the news break and was shocked (due to my political stance) at finding myself agree firstly with John Prescott and secondly with Ed/Dav
36 Confuscius : I can't wait for conservatives to complain about the liberal media.
37 GDB : A diversionary move shutting down - or should that be hosing down - NOTW. It makes little or no money, has become a dangerous liability for Murdoch. F
38 oa260 : When we were growing up the Sun and News of the World wasnt allowed in the house. The Sunday Times was always a nice read especially the Travel secti
39 ltbewr : While most of the NOTW's staff has been fired, the top editors and managers close to Murdoch are still on the payroll. If he really wanted to do the r
40 kaitak : Some reports suggest that up to 4,000 people were affected, which has to mean that it was a fairly widespread practice - if confirmed. It is also bein
41 ltbewr : Apparently Mr. Coulson is now in custody. I hope the others to be arrested include the woman who is/was the top boss at NOTW as well as some in Newsc
42 Baroque : Alas you may be right, but they might just have gone a bit far this time. With Prescott on the correct warpath, someone is going to suffer damage. Ha
43 GDB : Bell's cartoons are works of art, (often a parody of famous artworks) certainly he does skate very close to the line, all the better for it. (I've al
44 kaitak : I'm looking forward to what Matt has to say; he'll have a series of very good ones ... although it's a pity he's on holiday at the moment. I'm sure y
45 GDB : It was pointed out yesterday that the campaign, led by The Guardian to expose News International, might have done Cameron a favour. Since last year, e
46 kaitak : It was still a dumb decision to have hired him; it was a lapse of judgment. Yes, of course, it's much better that he's not still in his role, but I fe
47 GDB : Cameron certainly ignored a lot of warnings about ever appointing Coulson, more when he went to Downing Street. The plan was to do what far too many p
48 par13del : One of the reasons listed for shutting down was the mass exodus of advertisers, now for the seedy side of the business, were their competitors involv
49 aerorobnz : I have long suspected that many in news media are degenerate lowlifes and this does not surprise me at all. These so called news agencies are forced i
50 ltbewr : In part pressure on major advertisers got Fox News (Murdoch-Newscorp owned) right wing show/political commenter Glenn Beck chased off his TV show her
51 GDB : A favourite film of mine, which even with it's often crude satire, has become sadly prescient.
52 GBLKD : Murdoch must have been celebrating when the Telegraph covertly recorded Vince Cable saying how he would stop the BskyB deal going through and the mer
53 Baroque : Cameron, Blair and Murdoch almost do their best to make Gordon Brown look good. I think Prescott will either blow a fufty valve or get the DD.
54 ltbewr : Now there are stores in the UK's Mirror newspaper that the NOTW may have hacked the voice mails and cell phones of victims of 9/11/01 in the USA and s
55 Post contains links racko : Holy Shit: • Abbey National bank found suggestion that a "blagger" acting for the Sunday Times on six occasions posed as Brown and gained details fr
56 Post contains images Baroque : Good Gordy to coin a phrase. I thought it could NOT be THAT Brown, but it is. Did you see how nonchalant both sonnie Murdoch and the DD himself were
57 racko : The Murdochs will come out of this with a few bruises but standing. Way, way too influential to really go down. Pretty sure they have so much dirt on
58 MD11Engineer : As I mentioned before, Murdoch doesn´t care who the governments are BENEATH him. As LTBEWR said, I agree, that the only thing which can really hurt
59 Baroque : True damages in a US law suit are probably more of a worry than a spell in an HM Prison. But the latter gets closer. The Gordon Brown case seems to i
60 GDB : Maybe, but perhaps you have to be here to really see how the spell has been broken. Pure politics of course, Cameron last week got to realise that no
61 kaitak : That would really only help if the Tories were the only party, but there are clearly more than enough people who would love to see BOTH the Tories an
62 GDB : So far Brooks the Medusa has been a shield for the next culpable senior NI exec in line, James Murdoch, who likes to come here and lecture us. The thi
63 Post contains links Bongodog1964 : This is incorrect, the decision on BSkyB has been punted off to beyond the summer parliament recess by referring it to the Competition Commission htt
64 FlyingColours : I thought it was rather ironic that Sky 1 aired an episode of the Simpsons today which was about Mr Burns taking over all of the media outlets in Spri
65 GBLKD : Ah, a fellow Private Eye reader by any chance?
66 Bongodog1964 : Sounds like it ! Ian Hislop is likely to be feeling extremely smug over this one, I can't recall ever seeing any evidence of him sucking up to any of
67 Post contains images GBLKD : Apparently she has tried to resign twice and Murdoch refused to accept. That's what is being fed to the media anyway Nope, he's been sued by pretty m
68 GDB : I don't often see Private Eye nowadays, were they on to this along with the Guardian and a few brave MP's (who were duly threatened by News Internatio
69 StarAC17 : I thought of it as well That episode is one of the better Simpson episodes and is great satire!
70 racko : New lovely details via the Guardian liveblog: "Gordon insisted - despite a heavy brow-beating from Rebekah - that he was not willing to let his son's
71 Baroque : Seems that the noose is tightening. But he is a slippery bugger and unless he gets potted, the others barely matter, not even sonny boy. Not only you
72 kaitak : Talk about having a brass neck; this only goes to underline the importance of protecting the individual's right to privacy and remember, we're not ta
73 Baroque : To which you should perhaps add "be able to demonstrate that the obtained the information in a legal fashion".
74 MD11Engineer : Moment, we are talking here about the basics of democracy. Do you want an "elected" leader, who needs to get himself pre-approved by and have to answ
75 Post contains links and images fruitbat : Didn't a new UK Bribery and Corruption Law come into effect on 1st July? Wonder if it's retrospective..... Wonder what she's got on them? Must be goo
76 Post contains images Baroque : The failure to spot the jibes may have brought a small amount of joy to an otherwise dejected staff. Oh yes indeed. Thanks. I will put a good word in
77 Garpd : After all is said an done, all I have to add is: I am not surprised. I do not buy any tabloid papers, I do not subscribe to Sky either. Partly because
78 Baroque : At times it has been a lonely path, the one trodden by those infuriated at his role in 11/11/75 and the slaughter of Whitlam. But come and join us, i
79 Bongodog1964 : A few years back when travelling on Qantas I was asked if I would like a newspaper and which one, I replied "anything not published by Rupert Murdoch
80 Baroque : It can happen, but they do get that request fairly frequently I would judge by their reponse to my similar requests. They are not quite as shocked as
81 SKYSERVICE_330 : After Homer learns how to use the internet: Homer: I have just invested in something called News Corp. Lisa: Dad, that's Fox! Homer: OMG Undo, Undo,
82 GDB : Today has been a victory for media ans political pluralism, natural justice and good sense. In what has to be the biggest reverse for Murdoch in decad
83 Post contains links fruitbat : Can't see the DD turning up to answer questions in a parliament running a country that neither he nor his company pax tax in.....same for Sonny Jim.
84 Ant72LBA : John Whittingdale (Chairman of the select committee) suggested on 5 Live this afternoon that Medusa (I do like that!) can be forced to appear. Outing
85 GDB : If they do try again, I doubt the Dowler family and others so wronged in all this will keep quiet. Remember, even Medusa has warned of 'worse to come'
86 Baroque : I would have put it as barely par for the expectations. Takeover approval would have been a disasters although come to think of it, that might have p
87 LTBEWR : There is a fast growing reaction to this scandal in the USA. Several US Senators and Congressmembers, including a pro-Fox News Republican (Peter King)
88 Baroque : Wish I could find the artilces from when he moved to Delaware. Some of them pointed out that while Delaware was ideal for running the cowboy corporat
89 melpax : Or The Hun (otherwise known as the Herald-Sun) here in Melbourne. The crowd at the Spencer Street Soviet (The Age) must be heaving a good sigh of rel
90 Post contains links Baroque : So far nine arrests in the UK according to the SMH. Likey, althought the SMH has been fairly restrained in its editorial - so far - but not Moir in hi
91 Post contains links Baroque : Oops, this is getting serious. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14148658 News Corporation's Rupert and James Murdoch have been summonsed to appea
92 GDB : And Medusa she'll stay until she spell her own forename properly! (Then again, she edited papers designed for those with a reading age of 10). There
93 Ant72LBA : Nice family day out for Rupert and James next week - they are to appear before the Culture, Media & Sport Committee on Tuesday. Story on the BBC.
94 fruitbat : Being wrong never felt so good!! Tar and feathers, followed by a walk of shame down Whitehall and The Mall? Bigger than a Royal Wedding!! I think it'
95 Post contains links fruitbat : And now this....... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ul/14/fbi-news-corp-hacking-claims "The FBI has opened an investigation into allegations th
96 MD11Engineer : Why doesn´t there exist legislation to limit the marketshare an individual can control in the press market? You have seen what happened in Italy, wi
97 Post contains links fruitbat : In the UK, there is a competition commission: http://www.competition-commission.org.uk/ Plus other legal / judicial safeguards. Whether they are effe
98 Post contains links Baroque : There surely is some ancient law that can be dredged up. Like the apocryphal story of the undergraduate who demanded beer and cheese in an exam quoti
99 Post contains images Bongodog1964 : Latest update The dirty digger, having only yesterday said that he didn't see anything they had done wrong and less than a week ago saying that "we mu
100 Post contains links Baroque : Did Medusa fall on her own sword or did she suffer a Julius Caesar? Still not potted however. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14166162 In a statement, sh
101 MD11Engineer : Witness of the Crown? Singing like a canary? Let´s see what she´s got to say. Jan
102 GDB : Glad she's gone. I understand that NI were informed that though long unused, the Commons could by law put them up in a cell under Big Ben if they refu
103 Post contains links fruitbat : Les Hinton has gone as well - no suggestion that the WSJ used phone hacking but it was under his watch at NI http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/
104 Post contains links WrenchBender : I do believe I agree with Mr. Taylor....... http://youtu.be/pecFVzIfCNA WrenchBender
105 Post contains links fruitbat : Brooks arrested: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14178051 Head of the Met (Sir Paul Stephenson) resigns: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14180043 Brooks' ar
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