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Arizona Gov. Orders Recall Election(Immigration)  
User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9292 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-govern...igration-law-author-025312439.html


The Governor of Arizona has scheduled a recall election for the author of the Arizona Immigration law. A group opposing the law turned in enough valid signatures to force the special election scheduled for November. I sure hope he is re-elected.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

It wasn't really her doing she had to do it by state law. I don't really see him being recalled. Not much to worry about here. The law had overwhelming approval statewide.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5740 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1391 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):
I sure hope he is re-elected.

I sure hope he isn't. He is a racist pig. If you think 1070 was harsh, you should've seen the other bills he's introduced, most of which openly violated the US Constitution... including one that basically said Arizona should be able to disregard the Constitution.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
I don't really see him being recalled.

Unfortunately, I don't either. His district is probably the most conservative in the state outside of the retirement communities.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
The law had overwhelming approval statewide.

We've been over this before, NIK. It had overwhelming approval in certain conservative districts. Pretty much anyone under 35 thinks it's a load of BS.

And it's irrelevant if the law has majority approval... it violates the 1st, 5th, and 14th Amendments, not to mention all the federal civil rights laws on the books. There's a reason it hasn't taken effect: every single judge to look at the law has ruled is as such.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

Typical democrats. They don't get their way, and they try to get around it. Oh well. Arizona's new immigration law was a bold and great step forward for the country, and we're already seeing it expand across the country. It's not going any where.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
I sure hope he isn't. He is a racist pig.



How original someone against illegal immigration being hit with the race card.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
you should've seen the other bills he's introduced, most of which openly violated the US Constitution... including one that basically said Arizona should be able to disregard the Constitution.



Like forcing people to buy health insurance from the government?

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
Unfortunately, I don't either. His district is probably the most conservative in the state outside of the retirement communities.



Thankfully so. Being able to get someone who shares your open border illegal immigration views to scribble on a piece of paper is one thing. Voting openly statewide is another.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
We've been over this before, NIK. It had overwhelming approval in certain conservative districts. Pretty much anyone under 35 thinks it's a load of BS.



Source?

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
And it's irrelevant if the law has majority approval.



Only when it's a Republican law or policy, when it's a Dem it's "Elections matter" and you pull up the polling data?



When you wash away the propaganda and race baiting here all you get is a bunch of people who support illegal immigration and open borders. Same people that are pushing this recall are the same people that would freak out against a bill to provide ID when you vote or electronic verification. Not to mention in AZ it's 100 fold worse because of the drug lords that are causing havoc and mayhem on the borders with their terrorist campaign of killing and horror.

It's high time elected officials fix the problem and stop campaigning for votes like Obama is doing. To purposely not prosecute a Black Panther for standing outside a polling station with a deadly weapon on election day but going after Governor Brewer shows he is just going after votes and refusing to do the right thing.

[Edited 2011-07-14 01:34:17]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21877 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Typical democrats. They don't get their way, and they try to get around it.

Yeah, it's a trick that's allowable under the rules. Shall we go over all the times that the Republicans have done the same thing? Here's a story from yesterday alone:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...sin-recall-primaries.php?ref=dcblt

-Mir



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6678 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
you should've seen the other bills he's introduced, most of which openly violated the US Constitution... including one that basically said Arizona should be able to disregard the Constitution.

Like forcing people to buy health insurance from the government?

Yes, exactly! So you agree that his bill openly violate the constitution. Glad you came around to it.!

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
AZ it's 100 fold worse because of the drug lords that are causing havoc and mayhem on the borders with their terrorist campaign of killing and horror.

True. And you have the likes of Charlie Sheen and Lyndsay Lohan to thanks for that. No one ever thinks about the drug consumers when discussing drug violence., We just follow them on Twitter.



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User currently offlineFingerLakerAv8r From United States of America, joined May 2011, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
When you wash away the propaganda and race baiting here all you get is a bunch of people who support illegal immigration and open borders

[citation needed]

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Same people that are pushing this recall are the same people that would freak out against a bill to provide ID when you vote or electronic verification.

[citation needed]

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Not to mention in AZ it's 100 fold worse because of the drug lords that are causing havoc and mayhem on the borders with their terrorist campaign of killing and horror.

Having friends who live in AZ near the border they're still wondering where all the bodies are. Now granted it is bad on the mexican side but for the most part they have never even witnessed a single act of border violence on the U.S. side in the 12 years they have lived there. Can;t say they speak for everyone in there area but they tell me many people in there community are dumfounded by this law.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
And it's irrelevant if the law has majority approval... it violates the 1st, 5th, and 14th Amendments, not to mention all the federal civil rights laws on the books. There's a reason it hasn't taken effect: every single judge to look at the law has ruled is as such.

  

Not everyone who supports this law is a racist or prejudice. Sadly it does give carte blanche to those who do hate. Laws like this will never work because they will never be enacted because of legal issues. A wall won't help because someone will always have a taller ladder. Until we get people to agree on comprehensive immigration reform with proper and ethical parameters we're gonna have this argument for years.


User currently offlinescamp From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
And it's irrelevant if the law has majority approval... it violates the 1st, 5th, and 14th Amendments, not to mention all the federal civil rights laws on the books. There's a reason it hasn't taken effect: every single judge to look at the law has ruled is as such.

Yeah, but what you have to understand is, conservatives worship at the altar of the Constitution ONLY if they agree with what the Constitution says. If they don't, it's just a piece of paper with pretty writing on it.  



If it pisses off the right, I'm all for it.
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 6):
Yes, exactly! So you agree that his bill openly violate the constitution. Glad you came around to it.!

Ahh no.

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 7):
Not everyone who supports this law is a racist or prejudice

Not many if any are. They are simply people who want to stop the flow of illegals into their state, and who don't want to end up like California. Which is what has happened after two of the biggest sanctuary cities have taken a stance that they will not enforce laws already on the books.

Let us face it. The race baiting constantly brought up is a smoke screen. We all know it but many will continue to recite something until they actually believe it. It's a great way to get them to believe that allowing people to just jump the border and become citizens is a good thing. Which we all know otherwise.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6678 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1255 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
Quoting mt99 (Reply 6):
Yes, exactly! So you agree that his bill openly violate the constitution. Glad you came around to it.!
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
Ahh no.

You keep skirting the issue. Why is it Constitucional?

Quoting scamp (Reply 8):
Yeah, but what you have to understand is, conservatives worship at the altar of the Constitution ONLY if they agree with what the Constitution says. If they don't, it's just a piece of paper with pretty writing on it

I am also curious abou this. I hope our friend NIK can set u straight.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 10):
You keep skirting the issue. Why is it Constitucional?



The law in AZ is totally constitutional, just like the checkpoints in socal on I-8 where you are stopped, asked if you are a citizen, asked for ID and sometimes have your car searched. Compared to a law that forces someone to buy health insurance. It's not really close. That is unless you support people being able to illegally enter a country and given instant citizenship while at the same time refusing to enforce a federal law already passed.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 10):
I am also curious abou this. I hope our friend NIK can set u straight

Actually it's not real hard. Again asking someone to be able to prove they are legally in the country, asking for ID at a polling place or checking E-verify before hiring is fine to every person except those who support illegal immigration and feel people should not be asked to produce any sort of documentation to the sort.


User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Typical democrats. They don't get their way, and they try to get around it. Oh well. Arizona's new immigration law was a bold and great step forward for the country, and we're already seeing it expand across the country. It's not going any where.

Typical Democrats? Hardly. Remember that recall campaign that saw the Governator come to power? Those were Republicans. This is of the idiocy of our overly partisan system.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5740 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):


How original someone against illegal immigration being hit with the race card.

You have GOT to be kidding me. You do know this is the same guy that wants to deny birth certificates to children born in this country, simply because their parents are Mexican? How the hell is that not racist?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Typical democrats. They don't get their way, and they try to get around it.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the folks in office today wrote the 1st, 5th, and 14th Amendments.

Oh, and when Republicans couldn't get warrants to wiretap American citizens, they went outside the system and did it anyways, claiming "national security". If that's not getting around it, I don't know what is.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Oh well. Arizona's new immigration law was a bold and great step forward for the country, and we're already seeing it expand across the country.

And at every turn we're seeing it struck down by the courts as the unconstitutional baloney it is.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
It's not going any where.

Damn right it's not.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Being able to get someone who shares your open border illegal immigration views to scribble on a piece of paper is one thing.

I'm sorry, do you care to cite a source that says I support open borders or illegal immigration?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):

Source?

I ask the same of you and your claim that the vast majority of Arizonans support Pearce and SB1070.

My source is I live, work, and play in Arizona. I speak to people from all over the state and country on a daily basis. I can assure you that very few of my peers support this man or his bills.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):

Only when it's a Republican law or policy, when it's a Dem it's "Elections matter" and you pull up the polling data?

Not at all. If a law or policy is unconstitutional, it's irrelevant if the majority approves of it or not. There's a reason the South isn't segregated anymore... but according to you if the majority of Republicans feel it's OK, they should get a free pass.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):

When you wash away the propaganda and race baiting here all you get is a bunch of people who support illegal immigration and open borders.

False. I neither support open borders or illegal immigration.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Same people that are pushing this recall are the same people that would freak out against a bill to provide ID when you vote or electronic verification.

False again. I absolutely agree that there needs to be verification in order to establish your right to vote.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Not to mention in AZ it's 100 fold worse because of the drug lords that are causing havoc and mayhem on the borders with their terrorist campaign of killing and horror.

That doesn't mean we can suspend the Constitution. Besides, as much as you want to put the blame on the drug lords for the violence (and they certainly deserve all the blame they can get), they only exist because of the people that use. (Hint: they're mostly Americans).

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
The law in AZ is totally constitutional, just like the checkpoints in socal on I-8 where you are stopped, asked if you are a citizen, asked for ID and sometimes have your car searched.

Those checkpoints are staffed by The Border Patrol, not local cops. Those checkpoints are also within a stone's throw of the Mexican border. Last I checked, those types of checkpoints would not be allowed in Phoenix, or even Tucson... much less anywhere in Georgia.

Perhaps you should do some research on the legality of those checkpoints and their limits.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 13):
I ask the same of you and your claim that the vast majority of Arizonans support Pearce and SB1070
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...rt-controversial-sb1070-provisions

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...-of-arizonans-for-sb-1070-07232010

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nation...oters-like-new-az-immigration-law/

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 13):
I neither support open borders or illegal immigration.

Yet you oppose a law that basically gives AZ law enforcement the same power that the Border patrol has in socal at checkpoints to inquire about your citizenship? Why?

You say you don't support open borders do you support completing the fence? What would be your policy if you were president?

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 13):
they only exist because of the people that use

So if all of a sudden the US was able to totall secure the border and stopped all drugs from entering the country the drug cartels would die? Of couse not they would ship it elsewhere and still kill people. Stop blaming the US for the fact Mexico refuses to address their biggest problem.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 13):
Those checkpoints are staffed by The Border Patrol, not local cops. Those checkpoints are also within a stone's throw of the Mexican border. Last I checked, those types of checkpoints would not be allowed in Phoenix, or even Tucson... much less anywhere in Georgia.

So once again you oppose giving a state a further check and balance to address a growing problem of illegal immigration for what reason?

All I hear is everyone wants to address this issue yet they don't want to secure the border, don't want to be able to ask people about their citizenship, don't want to address local governments like in LA that tell their police not to enforce immigration laws. Then want the DREAM act inacted and amnesy given to all illegals in the country now. It makes absolutely no sense. The reason it makes no sense is that they don't want it addressed. They want it to continue.

To anyone with any sense the only way we can solve this issue is to #1 secure the border #2 pass a bill that gives illegals in the country now a path to citizenship as long as they are not felons and are working or able to work and pay a penalty and then to actually enforce immigration laws. Then pass laws that punish any elected officials who try to provide sanctuary like in LA and SF.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 13):
You have GOT to be kidding me. You do know this is the same guy that wants to deny birth certificates to children born in this country, simply because their parents are Mexican? How the hell is that not racist?

I assume you mean that their parents are Mexican AND are illegally in the USA. In that case IMHO it's very reasonable and is exactly what we do in this country. Unless at least one of your parents is in the country legally, just being born in Australian territory does NOT convey citizenship. It's not being raciest, its about not rewarding those who are breaking the law.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineFingerLakerAv8r From United States of America, joined May 2011, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 15):
I assume you mean that their parents are Mexican AND are illegally in the USA. In that case IMHO it's very reasonable and is exactly what we do in this country. Unless at least one of your parents is in the country legally, just being born in Australian territory does NOT convey citizenship. It's not being raciest, its about not rewarding those who are breaking the law.

What Australia does and what America does are two different things. For your reading pleasure please peruse Section 1 of our 14th Amendment to our constitution....

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The first sentence should sum it up. Doesn't matter if the parents are Mexican illegals or not. Your born here, your a citizen. End of argument. Doesn;t matter if you agree with it or not, it is the law of the land.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9292 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
I sure hope he isn't. He is a racist pig. If you think 1070 was harsh, you should've seen the other bills he's introduced, most of which openly violated the US Constitution... including one that basically said Arizona should be able to disregard the Constitution.

A racist pig? How about someone who is sick of people coming here illegally, milking the system, then cries racist, such as you have, every time someone wants our borders secured, and our laws, OUR LAWS obeyed. I follow the law, I show my ID when asked, who the hell are they to cry about rights that do not apply to them? I know all about the children born here, I do not need that explained to me.

I am not a racist pig, I am a person who does things lawfully. I had a Cuban brother-in-law for many years. I was very fond of him and his family, still am. I am sick of the whining from this crowd of advocates for the illegals. Immigrants should come here legally according to the system of OUR LAWS. I hope he crushs his advocate opponent in the recall election. We just had a voter ID bill finally passed in R.I. It is now law here, and it is about damn time.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5740 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1101 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...rt-controversial-sb1070-provisions

600 person sample size? Really?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...32010

A poll that cites no sample size, and has a claimed margin of error of almost 5 percent (with 95% accuracy).

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nation...-law/

And a nationwide poll, that includes half the polled saying they're worried about the law violating civil rights. Contradictory, no?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Of couse not they would ship it elsewhere

BECAUSE PEOPLE AND Bunbury (BUY / YBUN), Australia - Western Australia">BUY THEM. Quit blaming Mexico for the idiots we have here in the US.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):

So once again you oppose giving a state a further check and balance to address a growing problem of illegal immigration for what reason?

Because it violates the Constitution, that's why. I don't seem to recall any provision for "checks and balances" for the states.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):

You say you don't support open borders do you support completing the fence?

We have a fence. It doesn't work very well... especially for the drug cartels.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
yet they don't want to secure the border,

Oh for the love of Pete, STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH!

Securing the border has nothing to do with asking people for proof of ID for no other reason that they have brown skin and speak Spanish.

Securing the border means militarizing the border. You HAVE to have people stationed along it to catch people entering illegally.

To stop the flow of illegals, you have to let more legal ones in.

And honestly, legalizing pot would likely cut drug smuggling and violence in half, leaving enough room to more aggressively target cocaine and meth shipments.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 15):
I assume you mean that their parents are Mexican AND are illegally in the USA.

The bill would deny birth certificates and citizenship to children born of those who could not prove they're in the US legally.

It really doesn't matter, because it's clear that the Constitution says otherwise.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 15):
In that case IMHO it's very reasonable and is exactly what we do in this country.

I'm not gonna argue for or against that policy, that's for another thread. But in order to have that happen in the US, there MUST be a Constitutional Amendment, which would probably never happen.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
OUR LAWS obeyed

Sorry, you don't get to choose which laws you want obeyed. I again point you to the 1st, 5th, and 14th Amendments. That's just for starters.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
I am not a racist pig

Nor did I insinuate you were one. I was referring to, and only to, Sen, Pearce.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1096 times:

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 16):

What Australia does and what America does are two different things. For your reading pleasure please peruse Section 1 of our 14th Amendment to our constitution....

Irrelevant to this conversation. I was simply showing it could be and has been done elsewhere. I was aware that it would take a constitutional amendment in your case, which can be done if the political will is there.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 18):
600 person sample size? Really?
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 18):
A poll that cites no sample size, and has a claimed margin of error of almost 5 percent (with 95% accuracy).

Yea I know polls are no good if they don't agree. Face it, 60% or greater in AZ and the US want this law and want this insanity stopped.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 18):
Because it violates the Constitution, that's why. I don't seem to recall any provision for "checks and balances" for the states.

It does not. You can't ask someone if they are a citizen, can't ask them to provide ID to vote. etc etc. I guess we should just use a crystal ball to tell who is here illegally huh? Oh yea that's right just arrest the companies that hire illegals.   

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 18):
We have a fence. It doesn't work very well... especially for the drug cartels.

I'll take that as a "no"

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 18):
Securing the border has nothing to do with asking people for proof of ID for no other reason that they have brown skin and speak Spanish

Nope but it's a great first step to solving the overall problem. Which the people using the smokescreen of bigotry and such don't want solved.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 18):
To stop the flow of illegals, you have to let more legal ones in.

Thank you.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 18):
And honestly, legalizing pot would likely cut drug smuggling and violence in half, leaving enough room to more aggressively target cocaine and meth shipments.

I am a supporter of legalizing all drugs but it has nothing to do with the problem at hand. It's just been another crutch used by Mexico and the supporters of open borders here. It's just more smoke and mirrors.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 18):
I'm not gonna argue for or against that policy, that's for another thread. But in order to have that happen in the US, there MUST be a Constitutional Amendment, which would probably never happen.

The anchor baby thing is just another diversion. Of course if you are born here you are a citizen, what we don't need is a Dream act that once again shows you can't just get yourself into a country and be rewarded for simply going to college. Just more of an extension of open borders. It has to stop already.

I asked you to give us your plan of solving the problem of illegal immigration into this country. Can you give us a federal program that would address this problem? A proposal to stop people from just entering the country illegally? A proposal for addressing sanctuary cities?


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
I sure hope he isn't. He is a racist pig.

  

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Typical democrats. They don't get their way, and they try to get around it.

Indeed. Just like when they held the recall election in California that brought Schwarzenegger to power. Oh wait, that was the work of Republicans. Frankly, it's this sort of ridiculous, blindly partisan rhetoric that is directly responsible for the complete lack of civil political discourse in this country. People need to stop hurling mud at the other side each chance they get, and realize that this country has far bigger problems to deal with.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Arizona's new immigration law was a bold and great step forward for the country,

How proud it makes me feel to think that racist laws are "a bold and great step forward for the country."  
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
How original someone against illegal immigration being hit with the race card.

How very original Nick. Someone brings up racism, and you immediately go the straw man route.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
all you get is a bunch of people who support illegal immigration and open borders.

Source please, and no, Conservapedia is not a source.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Not to mention in AZ it's 100 fold worse because of the drug lords that are causing havoc and mayhem on the borders with their terrorist campaign of killing and horror.

Why do you and others only blame the drug lords? They are just 1/2 of the equation. What about all of the consumers of cocaine, and other drugs, in this Country? This is a supply/demand situation. The drug lords exist due, in large part, to our voracious appetite for narcotics.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
To purposely not prosecute a Black Panther for standing outside a polling station with a deadly weapon on election day but going after Governor Brewer shows he is just going after votes and refusing to do the right thing.

Because a Republican would have done the right thing? Blindly partisan to the end eh?

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Shall we go over all the times that the Republicans have done the same thing? Here's a story from yesterday alone:

     

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
Oh yea that's right just arrest the companies that hire illegals.

Are you suggesting that they should not be held responsible?



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1049 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):
Source please

Sanctuary cities, Dream act and people in this thread who have given no solutions but to allow the status quo and blame the US for using drugs. Instead of trying to address how we stop illegal immigration. Like I said I laid my cards on the table. Close the border, if that means military so be it. Then give the illegals already in the US the chance to stay by paying a penalty, back taxes whatever. Put them on the path to citizenship. If they have committed crimes ship them back. Now what do you propose?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):
Why do you and others only blame the drug lords? They are just 1/2 of the equation. What about all of the consumers of cocaine, and other drugs, in this Country? This is a supply/demand situation. The drug lords exist due, in large part, to our voracious appetite for narcotics.

So you are telling me if we stopped using drugs nobody would hop the fence? This doesn't pass the laugh test and is a diversion. Sure blame the evil US. Fact is Mexico doesn't and won't address drug manufacture because it's their biggest industry. If we didn't use they would ship it somewhere else in the world. Either way both parties are wrong but it still has nothing to do with illegal immigration into the US which always gets a pass by the open border crowd and why shouldn't it? They need the voters for 2012.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):
Because a Republican would have done the right thing? Blindly partisan to the end eh?

As soon as a member of the skinheads sits in front of a polling station intimidating people into voting Republican call me.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):
Are you suggesting that they should not be held responsible?

Why not? If the mayor of LA can instruct his people to ignore laws why can't anybody else? You can't pick and choose. I don't. I want the law applied to all that break the law. Including the ones who are new voters for the Democratic party sneaking in here illegally. If you want them held responsible than everyone has to be. You can't manipulate the system and then cry foul.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5740 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):

Yea I know polls are no good if they don't agree.

No, polls are no good if they're no good. Enough with the straw men.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
Face it, 60% or greater in AZ and the US want this law

Face it, at one time 60% of the US (and just about everyone in the South) wanted segregated schools.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
It does not.

I have about 4 recent court cases that say otherwise. So we can move on from that argument...

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
You can't ask someone if they are a citizen

Not without probable cause.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
can't ask them to provide ID to vote

Hey, how about you actually read my posts before accusing me YET AGAIN of not supporting something.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):

I'll take that as a "no"

Fine, it's a no. Walls didn't work for Troy, they didn't work for Berlin, and they don't work for Israel. What makes you think it will work here?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):

Nope but it's a great first step to solving the overall problem.

I don't know if you realize, but it's illegal to profile based on race. Also, the US has this nifty thing called Freedom of Speech. So when you talk about:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
smokescreen of bigotry

You might want to look up the definition of "bigot", and realize that you just admitted to being one.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):

I am a supporter of legalizing all drugs but it has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

So which is it? Earlier you blamed the bloodbath on the drug lords, but now it's not a problem?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
Of course if you are born here you are a citizen, what we don't need is a Dream act that once again shows you can't just get yourself into a country and be rewarded for simply going to college.

Have you read the Dream Act? Why wouldn't you want intelligent people living here? Is it because maybe it will further marginalize your racist views?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):


I asked you to give us your plan of solving the problem of illegal immigration into this country.

Immigration reform. Make it easier for foreigners to enter the US legally. This does not mean an offer of amnesty. If people want to take advantage of it, they need to go back to their home country and reapply. Yes, it's gonna be tough for them... but the ones that are willing to do that are the ones we want living and working in the US anyways.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1008 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
I have about 4 recent court cases that say otherwise. So we can move on from that argument...

Until we get to the SCOTUS which will say otherwise.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
Not without probable cause.

Of course but once that is established there is no reason why a law enforcement officer can't ask, unless the people in elected office of his city don't want the law enforced.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
Fine, it's a no.

  

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
I don't know if you realize, but it's illegal to profile based on race. Also, the US has this nifty thing called Freedom of Speech. So when you talk about:

So then to target businesses that hire hispanics is also profiling. Yet you welcome that? You see this lunacy here? You can't possibly be for throwing people in jail that hire them and not be for giving LO a tool to do the same. What do you think once you bust the owners of companys that employed an illegal they are just going to be allowed to stay in the country?

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
You might want to look up the definition of "bigot", and realize that you just admitted to being one.

Repeat after me.. If you oppose illegal immigration you are bigot etc etc etc. Nope still doesn't make it true but nice try.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
So which is it? Earlier you blamed the bloodbath on the drug lords, but now it's not a problem?

Of course it still is but it's just a part of the illegal immigration problem. Not the whole thing. Unless of course you are part of the open border crowd who tries to use the red herring of blaming the US for Mexlco's drug lords as a way to condone illegal entry into the US.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
Have you read the Dream Act? Why wouldn't you want intelligent people living here? Is it because maybe it will further marginalize your racist views?

"If you oppose illegal immigration your racist, you are racist" Nope still not working.

Actually I oppose the dream act in it's current form because it is a kick in the face of people who came here legally and needs to be tweaked. If you make the child of an illegal immigrant serve at least 4 years in the military and pay a stiff fine then I will consider supporting it but to just go to college is not going to cut it for me. Sorry.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
Make it easier for foreigners to enter the US legally. This does not mean an offer of amnesty. If people want to take advantage of it, they need to go back to their home country and reapply. Yes, it's gonna be tough for them... but the ones that are willing to do that are the ones we want living and working in the US anyways.

This is fluff, the current system of entering here legally is fine. Not to mention by not securing the border or throwing elected officials that support sanctuary cities in jail the illegals are still going to just hop the fence because it's still much easier to do that, get to a sanctuary city and be on easy street than to use the legal way no matter how much easier it is than currently. You have to actually start to enforce current laws or any discussion on immigration is moot because you are sending the message that you can still just get over a fence and your home free in addition to making it worse if you begin to grant people already here some sort of path to citizenship the floodgates will open.


25 Maverick623 : You keep telling yourself that. Having brown skin and speaking Spanish do not make probable cause. Oh, I do? Please, show me where I said that. Perha
26 NIKV69 : Who says that is all a LO officer would use? Oh yea the ones who want to paint anyone against illegal immigration a racist. So you don't feel the bor
27 Maverick623 : Sheriff Joe's gang is. There was an well-publicized incident a couple of years ago where an MCSO deputy arrested a Canadian citizen with a valid gree
28 NIKV69 : No I didn't say that. I said without securing the border and getting rid of sanctuary cities it was a waste of time. I mean if we increase the #s of
29 Maverick623 : Yes, you did:
30 NIKV69 : I meant in the context that your plan isn't really a plan, it was just more of the status quo. Just make it easier to just come here etc. To be hones
31 AGM100 : I am still shaking my head ... I had 2 large palm trees removed my property this week. The crew were all Americans ... spoke English and were obviousl
32 MaverickM11 : But are they ready for the corollary--who is going to replace the cheap labor? Farms in Georgia are already facing huge shortfalls in labor and produ
33 srbmod : At this point, the thread has veered well off track and away talking about from a recall election to a general discussion about immigration and other
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