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Little Home Support For Spain?  
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 967 times:

Now here's an interesting article:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2002/comment/story/0,11925,729893,00.html

It says that Spain do not have much in the way of support back home because of the way the country is fractured along regional lines, with Basque, Catalan and Galician people not supporting the national side. Essentially, it argues that it is a similar scenario to that you would have in Britain if there was a UK side, rather than the separate home nations.

Now, whilst I find this interesting, I am by no means convinced of the veracity of the article, and therefore I want to know from our Spanish members whether they believe there is any truth in it.


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User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 957 times:

I´m not a Spanish member, but I´ll answer anyway, because I spent some time in the Basque country, incidentally during the 98 World Cup.

It´s true the locals there care much more about their Basque Clubs than about the national team. Especially the Athletic Club of Bilbao is beloved for their policy of employing exclusively Basques. One favourite chanting in the stadium used to be "Ya somos trés/sólo falta el Alavés" - "There´s three of us already/Only Alavés is still missing", meaning that the Athletic, the Real Sociedad de San Sebastián and Pamplona were already playing in the Primera División, while the Club Deportivo Alavés of Vitoria was in Segunda. Now that the Alavés is in Primera as well, that chanting is a little outdated.

They were not that sad when Spain was eliminated, but they do watch the games and cheer for the Basques in the team. Therefore, they also favoured France to win the title, because of their compatriot Vincent Lizarazu playing in that team.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 948 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 956 times:

Interesting article, and true. Here in Catalunya was an attempt to create a Catalan national Team, it plays from time to time, last time vs Brazil just before WC. Catalan "non-immigrant" people don't have very much simpathy for Spanish team (Same for Basque country). There is too much hate against Spanish nationalism (Mr. Aznar is making us remember how close Fco. Franco still is). In addition, this year we have very few players from FC Barcelona, They are all in the Netherlands team...
Me, as a Catalan-born, will be glad if Spanish team do something, but I don't care very much. In fact, nowadays I don't care very much if barça wins anything, I don't feel identified anymore with this team (Netherland-Brazil... etc. team).

Miquel.



Miquel.
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 947 times:

But presumably, Miquel, if you associate with teams because their players play for Barcelona, you must also have Catalans who play for the Spanish national team. Would that not make a difference?


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 943 times:

Sorry, that last post came out the opposite to what I meant.

Let me re-phrase: If Catalan players were playing for Barcelona, (or even Espanol) and also the Spanish national side, would that make a difference?



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User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 948 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 934 times:

Yes, I think it could be a little different. Some years ago, there was a lot of players from FC Barcelona in Spanish team, and as far as I can remember people was proud of it.


Miquel.
User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 924 times:

I think that the little home support for Spain, rather than the nationalities, has more to do with the little success we usually have. The feeling is similar in Madrid or Andalucia to Catalonia or the basques. Another reason is that the national team lacks a style, sometimes it has been an offensive team, others more defensive, others very physical play, others anarchical, others a very organized team, so in the end the people do not identify with the national team. It is not like Italy, Brazil, England or the Netherlands who have a definite style which their people recognise.
On the other hand, we are very spoiled by the League teams like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, etc that are truly world class, have top foreign players and do well in European competitions frequently. A side effect of having so good foreign players in our teams is that some positions are underserved, and sometimes we have not had guys in the national team used to lead a team at the highest level matches.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 913 times:

Another article on the same topic.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2002/countries/story/0,11936,731202,00.html

To English eyes, this is just raving lunacy. You get less biased opinions about English players on their own club websites.



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User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 908 times:

Banco,
the Spanish sports press is like your tabloids. You do not buy them to find objective reporting, but drum playing for your favourite team and discredit for the rivals. Madrid's MARCA and AS are filthily pro-Real, Sport and Mundo Deportivo are the same pro-Barça, and in Valencia we have a sports paper that will tell you that Aimar, Kily Gonzalez and Baraja ara the best players in the WC.
As an example, when Real Madrid won the Champions League in 1998 (1-0 to Juventus), do you know what was printed in the front page of Mundo Deportivo? "Mijatovic's goal was offside"...
And the TV's are not better.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 904 times:

Oh, yes, I can understand that. But when it comes to the World Cup, all club allegiances are put aside in England, and no-one greatly cares who they play for.


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User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 897 times:

Banco, this usually happens in Spain too, but this year the Madridists are under a severe Champions League hangover...

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