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User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5345 posts, RR: 14
Posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

So, I normally listen to AM talk radio (and occasionally Sirius Patriot), but thought I would expand a little bit during a cross country trip I just took.

I tuned into Sirius Left and listened.

I was really surprised to hear some of the invective language used by the Liberal hosts when referring to those on the right (whether in public life or just Conservatives in general):
-stupid
-idiots
-dummies
-dumb
-crazies
-a-holes
-dicks
-lunatics
-maggots

just to mention a few. Now, I know talk radio on the Right isn't pure as the driven snow, but you rarely here this level of personal attack. Ideas and ideology are attack, but usually, not the individual.

I'll tell you the truth, I found two hosts that could possibly, reasonably discuss the issues (Thom Hartman and Mark Thompson), the others just flung insults and spoke in sound bites and talking points. I would say that they weren't able to defend their positions or analysis, but they never took calls from Conservatives. And the callers...holy crap...they were insufferable.

I will say that I couldn't listen to all of Stephanie Miller's show because she, and her cohorts, were so childish. I tuned out after half an hour and tuned back into Ed Shultz. He was OK, but, I don't know, he really doesn't do it for me.

So what do you think? I don't hear this level of "emotion" on the right (except from, maybe, Mike Church).

[Edited 2011-07-21 16:26:32]


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User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

I don't listen to liberal talk radio enough (none in my local area) to comment, but in all honesty, it's hard to be sympathetic after years of being called "Democrap" or "libtard" or "ecotard" or "un-American" or "socialist" or "Euro-lover" or "baby-killer" or "fag-lover" by a variety of sources- media, posters on moderated internet forums (including this one on several occasions), protesters, and even peers.

If the hosts are using the language you mentioned above, I don't condone it, and I noticed you did acknowledge that conservatives aren't all playing nice either. My point of view is that some of it might just be a reaction to constantly hearing from the Right that we liberals are everything wrong with America, that we don't care about Americans, and all sorts of other drivel.

I wish both sides would just stop and learn to live with the fact that conservatives and liberals will always exist in this country, and we need to stop dehumanizing them and work together to get shit done. I don't know why it's so hard for people- I'm as passionate a liberal as they come, but I'm good close friends with several very conservative people. We respect each other's views, we bond over common interests and hobbies, and we acknowledge that we both want to make America a better place, we just disagree on some of the ways to do so.

I'm 23, and not even really the most mature or responsible guy. I'm emotionally/physiologically unstable enough to be taking anti-depressants and even I can accomplish compromise and foster a true amicable friendship with someone who looks at the world differently than me. Why the Hell can't 98% of the rest of my countrymen do it???

[Edited 2011-07-21 17:11:36]


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User currently offlineFingerLakerAv8r From United States of America, joined May 2011, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

I personally think that both right and left wing talk radio does a disservice to the public. Whereas one side may attack an ideology and another side attacks the person you still lose any chance of understanding the issue at hand.

Both political spectrums need to STFU and GBTW or DIAF.

Do yourself a favor. Kill your radio and your tv.  


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting Fr8Mech (Thread starter):
. I would say that they weren't able to defend their positions or analysis, but they never took calls from Conservatives

Doesn't sound like liberals.They would give liberals a bad name.Bad mannered,arrogant atheists ultra liberals sicko's more to me.TV and radio is getting really bad.On both sides.

OK,maybe I shouldn't be name calling because then I would be bad as them. But even Jon Stewart's Daily Show is getting bad that don't respect the West Coast family hours.


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[Edited 2011-07-21 17:27:42]


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Quoting san747 (Reply 1):
I don't listen to liberal talk radio enough (none in my local area) to comment, but in all honesty, it's hard to be sympathetic after years of being called "Democrap" or "libtard" or "ecotard" or "un-American" or "socialist" or "Euro-lover" or "baby-killer" or "fag-lover" by a variety of sources- media, posters on moderated internet forums (including this one on several occasions), protesters, and even peers.

Yes I'm sure that's partly it. As you suggested in your post, a lot of people get very tired of being called names, and this is just a normal reaction to that sort of thing. Is it right? No, I certainly don't condone such behavior, but I can understand some of their frustration. I've been called a libtard, un-American, a socialist, and have been told to leave this country if I don't like it. This was especially true in the aftermath of 9/11 when many of us who (quite rightly) questioned the Bush Administration's push toward war in Iraq were called un-American, and pro-terrorist.

I haven't been called a fag-lover, but that's only because I'm just a an out and out fag.   This is better suited to another topic, but as an aside, you wouldn't believe how willing people are to use homophobic language when they don't think that a gay person is in the room.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Thread starter):
I don't hear this level of "emotion" on the right (except from, maybe, Mike Church).

I've heard it. Not on talk radio (I don't listen to talk-radio or to the talking heads on TV because they are all insufferable), but I've heard it many times in person. I've been called many of the epithets listed in san747's post (on here and elsewhere), as well as a Nazi. That's not to mention many of the emails that circulate about liberals. What needs to happne in this country is that we need to start looking at ourselves, and at our own actions. Both sides are often very quick to say that they never see this sort of behavior on their side. Sorry, but the behavior is occurring on both sides. Some worse, some better, but the level of hatred toward the "enemy" (imagine considering your own countrymen the enemy) in this country is appaling.

Quoting san747 (Reply 1):
I'm emotionally/physiologically unstable enough to be taking anti-depressants and even I can accomplish compromise and foster a true amicable friendship with someone who looks at the world differently than me. Why the Hell can't 98% of the rest of my countrymen do it???

Ding, ding, ding. I live in one of the reddest of red states, so many friends do not share my political viewpoint, yet I am still able to foster friendships with them.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1588 times:
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I think all of that happens on both sides. But I find the conservative side a little more, i don't want to say informative because they put spin on stuff, but probably enjoyable to listen to. Sure they are talking serious topics but they seem to enjoy what they are doing. The liberal side just seems bored. It would be nice to have some bigger liberal names to listen to though. They don't real have someone big like Hannity.
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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 3):
What ever happen to the FCC?Maybe it's call the ACLU now.


Stewart, is on a "cable" network and the FCC has no control over them!


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting Fr8Mech (Thread starter):
I was really surprised to hear some of the invective language used by the Liberal hosts when referring to those on the right (whether in public life or just Conservatives in general):

You are listening to sirius and a lot more of the Patriot shows are syndicated radio shows where they can't curse in the first place, where most of the liberal shows are Sirius ones where they get people to listen to no hold's barred language and subject matter.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Thread starter):
I'll tell you the truth, I found two hosts that could possibly, reasonably discuss the issues (Thom Hartman and Mark Thompson), the others just flung insults and spoke in sound bites and talking points.

Those are good shows and I wish Sirius would turf Ed Schultz, give Lynn Samuels his time slot and air all of Hartman's show (also syndicated). Thompson is good especially when he yells because its funny, I also like Alex Bennett for the entertainment factor more so than the content.



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User currently offlinescamp From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Stewart, is on a "cable" network and the FCC has no control over them!

This isn't true. Cable or not, the FCC has complete control over Stewart because he uses the "free" airwaves, for lack of a better term. Sirius differs because it is a subscription based service. Like HBO.



If it pisses off the right, I'm all for it.
User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Here's my take and it's *very* simplified and I'm trying to keep it concise here.

In short, talk radio has been more successful for conservatives because it is a thinking medium. You listen, you think, you engage. Liberalism and statism is a bankrupt ethos, one rooted in emotional rhetoric and as such, doesn't translate to talk radio well.

By your own observation, it's just derogatory insults, ad hominem attacks and insane histrionics. That's my take, in brief.

And it also explains why every foray into talk radio by the left to date has failed magnificently. People don't want to hear that shit 24/7, unless they are also just flat out negative people wallowing in utopian ideals.


User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5345 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):
The liberal side just seems bored.

Maybe that's it. Or, they think that this stuff is such common sense that anyone that doesn't agree is a moron. That's what it sounds like too me.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
You are listening to sirius and a lot more of the Patriot shows are syndicated radio shows where they can't curse in the first place, where most of the liberal shows are Sirius ones where they get people to listen to no hold's barred language and subject matter.

Yeah, I thought of that, but it just seems more than that. Too my knowledge, Wilkow and Church are not syndicated and they are very 'emotionally' about the various subjects, yet I've never heard go to the depths that Schultz or Miller have.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
Lynn Samuels

I've listened to her before and could be a regular listener. She's not on anymore, is she?

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):
They don't real have someone big like Hannity.

He's more entertainment than substance.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
I've heard it. Not on talk radio (I don't listen to talk-radio or to the talking heads on TV because they are all insufferable), but I've heard it many times in person.

That's different. We're not talking a circle of friends or acquaintances, we're talking radio talk shows. I just found it very strange that Liberal talk show hosts seem more likely to ridicule the person vs. the position. They are fans of the ad-hominem attack.



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 10):
That's different. We're not talking a circle of friends or acquaintances, we're talking radio talk shows. I just found it very strange that Liberal talk show hosts seem more likely to ridicule the person vs. the position. They are fans of the ad-hominem attack.

That's exactly right. Most peopel I know aren't that deeply angry and bitter about the world around them--a "normal" person can only take light doses of that stuff without changing the station. Look at MSNCB's ratings, for instance, haha


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

The political channels are some of the few I skip over on Sirius without even giving a chance. I think that political radio is just absolutely ridiculous. Both sides have nothing good to say about the other, and will go to extreme lengths to state how much better their side isn't while rarely giving any constructive, concrete evidence.

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 2):
I personally think that both right and left wing talk radio does a disservice to the public

Agreed. Both sides are 110% guilty of the same exact things. The people who listen to Left radio think only the Right does it, and the people who listen to Right radio think only the left does it, but...it's both sides equally. Nothing good comes out of political radio...it adds nothing to society short of spewing biased hate.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11526 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Quoting Fr8Mech (Thread starter):
I was really surprised to hear some of the invective language used by the Liberal hosts when referring to those on the right (whether in public life or just Conservatives in general):

Who were you listening to? Mike Malloy does that all the time. I don't like him. Thom Hartmann does not do that. Ed Schultz has gone way too far out there for me to listen to anymore. I listen to Stephanie Miller every morning. She does use some language. The reason? To let people know how extreme she believes the right are. Not centurists but the ultra right-wing like Palin and Bachmann.

Quoting slider (Reply 9):
talk radio has been more successful for conservatives because it is a thinking medium.

More like "you must believe X because I do and if you don't believe X then you are anti-American!" That is the rehtoric I always hear on right-wing talk radio. When people bring up counter points, they are called all sorts of nasty names.

This is why I like Thom Hartmann. He has right-wing people on who stand by their talking points. Thom counters with reason and logic instead of names and that flusters the right-wingers. I love it! The hosts that I listen to on left-wing radio actually give right-wingers a chance to give their opinion until they devolve into the whole "you lefties are un-American/socialist/marxist" rehtoric. That is when the name calling usually starts.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 13):
Quoting slider (Reply 9):
talk radio has been more successful for conservatives because it is a thinking medium.

More like "you must believe X because I do and if you don't believe X then you are anti-American!" That is the rehtoric I always hear on right-wing talk radio. When people bring up counter points, they are called all sorts of nasty names.

This is why I like Thom Hartmann. He has right-wing people on who stand by their talking points. Thom counters with reason and logic instead of names and that flusters the right-wingers. I love it! The hosts that I listen to on left-wing radio actually give right-wingers a chance to give their opinion until they devolve into the whole "you lefties are un-American/socialist/marxist" rehtoric. That is when the name calling usually starts.

You and Slider only have it half right, but between the two of you, you get a whole. And that is the big issue I have with liberal and conservative individuals.

Liberalism and Conservatism are anything BUT "thinking man's domains" and they certainly do not foster "thinking mediums". These two concepts are for sociopaths who just need to hang onto something to be angry about. Selfish, intellectually stupid and/or dishonest individuals are liberals and conservatives. Intelligent people shun these ideologies which are based on violence, lies, and raw emotion with little regard to objectivity, pragmatism, and logic.

If you slander one side all the time, then claim that your side in innocent when the other side fights back, then you have a severe problem with the concept of objectivity and you need to go back to grade school.

What is going on in this country, as political talk radio and 24hr "news" networks are symptoms of, is utterly embarrassing.

We are treating our politics as if we were Venezuela...and look how well that's worked out for them.

Let it go. Abandon the horseshit, and let's start thinking and acting like pragmatic adults again.

It is totally irrelevant who started insulting who. Just stop. Does this sound familiar? It should, it's what your parents probably told you when you had a fight with your siblings...when you were children!

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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7119 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Quoting Fr8Mech (Thread starter):
And the callers...holy crap...they were insufferable.

Well most people who call into either show are going to be insufferable but who else would call in but ultra right or ultra left. But yes obviously if your on the right (as I am well I like to say center right) your not going to be able to stand those people.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Thread starter):
but they never took calls from Conservatives.

I hate when either side does this. You need to get view points from both sides.

Quoting san747 (Reply 1):
by a variety of sources- media, posters on moderated internet forums (including this one on several occasions), protesters, and even peers.

Protesters, internet etc.. They can do whatever they want. The only people who should be regulated at all are TV and Radio. The rest can and should be able to do what they please.

Quoting san747 (Reply 1):
"socialist"

Sometimes it seems like it, but your right some people do not even know the meaning to the word and use it much too often.

Quoting san747 (Reply 1):
Euro-lover" or "baby-killer" or "fag-lover"

You dont hear that type of stuff on the wide media. If a protest makes a sign or an internet site saying these things well then go ahead nothing we or anyone else can do about it. Is it right, of course not. As for Euro-lover whats wrong with that, who doesn't like Europe 
Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 10):

He's more entertainment than substance.

Agreed, I am not a big fan of his but at the same time it is a good point. The left does not have a person to follow like that.

I listen to some talk radio once in a while, usually right based shows but I always enjoy when there are callers from the other side. It makes the show more entertaining. And of course those callers sound like idiots sometimes as I am sure the callers who call into left based shows who are conservative do. In the end it is mainly for one purpose, ratings and money and that is what its all about.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 15):
I hate when either side does this. You need to get view points from both sides.

  

Aside from local stuff, I check both CNN and FOX and assume the truth is somewhere in between  


User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 15):

Protesters, internet etc.. They can do whatever they want. The only people who should be regulated at all are TV and Radio. The rest can and should be able to do what they please.

Of course. I don't think they shouldn't be able to espouse their views (within reason), but I mentioned it as an example of the vitriol and ignorance that I encounter from conservatives because I'm liberal.

Quoting flymia (Reply 15):
As for Euro-lover whats wrong with that, who doesn't like Europe

I have the feeling I'll love it when I visit for the first time!  



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

When it comes to talk radio you have nothing but extreme views on the right and on the left, I listened to Air America a few times, I got burnt out, I don't want to spend three or four hours listening to the same old crap. I think liberals at least where I stand do not want to spend all day listing to what is wrong with America so people stopped listening to Air America and it went out of business as well as other liberal venues in talk radio this probably explains why MSNBC will never have the same number of viewers as Fox News. I think the reason right wing talk radio does so well is because there are more right wing people that are extreme than left wing people that are extreme. Extremist don't like to think, they like to be told things that verify their world view weather it is "Bush knew" of the left or the "Clinton body count", Obama birth/religion/education conspiracy or climate change denialism or on the right, it is much better for them to believe in non truths than capitulate a fact to the other side to the "enemy".


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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 14):
Liberalism and Conservatism are anything BUT "thinking man's domains" and they certainly do not foster "thinking mediums". These two concepts are for sociopaths who just need to hang onto something to be angry about. Selfish, intellectually stupid and/or dishonest individuals are liberals and conservatives. Intelligent people shun these ideologies which are based on violence, lies, and raw emotion with little regard to objectivity, pragmatism, and logic.

If you slander one side all the time, then claim that your side in innocent when the other side fights back, then you have a severe problem with the concept of objectivity and you need to go back to grade school.
Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 14):
Let it go. Abandon the horseshit, and let's start thinking and acting like pragmatic adults again.

Well, I think I understand where you're coming from on this, but don't fully agree. Now, it's important to note that there is and has to be some entertainment aspect of this from a ratings standpoint, we understand that. But the core meat of much of talk radio that I listen to (when I get the chance, which is rarely now) is based on solid analysis, discussion, and is quite rooted in logic.

And thanks to talk radio (and now of course the proliferation of the web), there is a great deal of educating going on that I hear. ie: in this current budget battle, it's instructive to note that Reagan got backdoored when tip O'Neill didn't deliver the spending cuts the were promised back in 1981-82.

And certainly the gamut of people who call-in is all over the map, but often I hear everyday normal Americans speaking quite pragmatically, expressing their frustration and not really pushing horseshit but having an honest open discussion of issues.

I think there are bad apples on each side of the spectrum, but don't necessarily discount it all as horseshit either.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 10):
That's different. We're not talking a circle of friends or acquaintances, we're talking radio talk shows. I just found it very strange that Liberal talk show hosts seem more likely to ridicule the person vs. the position. They are fans of the ad-hominem attack.

I know that, I'm simply using it as an example. However, in the few times that I have listened to talk radio, I have heard Conservative talk show hosts attacking and ridiculing the person, as you suggest. What I'm saying is that it is not a one-way street. Both sides are guilty.

Quoting san747 (Reply 17):
Quoting flymia (Reply 15):
As for Euro-lover whats wrong with that, who doesn't like Europe

I have the feeling I'll love it when I visit for the first time!

Yeah I've never understood that particular epithet, and why those hurling it think anyone would consider it an insult. Both of my parents were born, and raised in Europe, and I've visited several times. It's a wonderful continent, with a lot to do, and tons to see.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 14):
Liberalism and Conservatism are anything BUT "thinking man's domains" and they certainly do not foster "thinking mediums". These two concepts are for sociopaths who just need to hang onto something to be angry about. Selfish, intellectually stupid and/or dishonest individuals are liberals and conservatives. Intelligent people shun these ideologies which are based on violence, lies, and raw emotion with little regard to objectivity, pragmatism, and logic.

This is where you lost me. You're looking at Liberalism and Conservatism as though all of the two ideologies adherents are extremists. That is far from being the truth. As far as neither being a thinking man's domain, that's also ridiculously incorrect. Most of us, on both sides of the aisle, are intelligent people. It's the extremists on both sides that are the problem, not the silent majority.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 18):
When it comes to talk radio you have nothing but extreme views on the right and on the left

Ding, ding, ding. Look at one of the posts above that I won't even bother replying to. It's nothing but insults, and stereotypes about the left.

In my personal experience, the vast majority of people that I've know who listened to Conservative or Liberal talk radio, have done so only to reaffirm their beliefs. They are not tuning in to learn anything, just to hear someone tell them that their worldview is the correct one.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 18):
Extremist don't like to think, they like to be told things that verify their world view weather it is "Bush knew" of the left or the "Clinton body count", Obama birth/religion/education conspiracy or climate change denialism or on the right, it is much better for them to believe in non truths than capitulate a fact to the other side to the "enemy".

You win again. That's exactly the problem with these talk radio stations. Again, in my experience, those who listen to them tend to espouse some of the more extreme beliefs, and tend to be the most partisan individuals out there.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 20):
This is where you lost me. You're looking at Liberalism and Conservatism as though all of the two ideologies adherents are extremists. That is far from being the truth. As far as neither being a thinking man's domain, that's also ridiculously incorrect. Most of us, on both sides of the aisle, are intelligent people. It's the extremists on both sides that are the problem, not the silent majority.

You know what, call me a cynic, but the facts don't back you up. From looking at this forum to how "card carrying" Republicans and Democrats behave it's clear that these ideologies are rooted in extremism. There may have been times when people could follow these ideologies loosely and still get along with people, but honestly, I've dealt with real liberals and conservatives and have been shocked by how detached from reality they are. Not to mention that they carry on with an agenda, and such individuals frequently will screw you over if necessary to forward it. There is no thought or common sense. All of their answers are derived by political talking points.

My family has been historically impacted negatively by political parties that got too big and catered only to extreme people. Liberals and Conservatives are thus existential threats to my safety, security, and well being in my eyes. Even Norway isn't immune as evidenced by the fact that a massacre was carried out by an individual or individuals with a serious mad-on for their ruling party.

People who are politically centered rarely resort to such acts of violence at least for political reasons.

Again, sorry if it seems like I'm painting with a broad brush, but the current Congress, FOX, MSNBC, the general erosion of journalism with the rise of the internet "blogger", and political talk radio do NOT constitute thinking mediums. For Congress at least that is hopefully just reflective of this time period and someday it can recover. Politicians must first feel free from the tyranny of their "base".

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User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 14):
What is going on in this country, as political talk radio and 24hr "news" networks are symptoms of, is utterly embarrassing.

We are treating our politics as if we were Venezuela...and look how well that's worked out for them.

Let it go. Abandon the horseshit, and let's start thinking and acting like pragmatic adults again.

It is totally irrelevant who started insulting who. Just stop. Does this sound familiar? It should, it's what your parents probably told you when you had a fight with your siblings...when you were children!

  

... And while we're at it, please reintroduce Civics into the nation's curriculum.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 21):
Again, sorry if it seems like I'm painting with a broad brush, but the current Congress, FOX, MSNBC, the general erosion of journalism with the rise of the internet "blogger", and political talk radio do NOT constitute thinking mediums. For Congress at least that is hopefully just reflective of this time period and someday it can recover. Politicians must first feel free from the tyranny of their "base".

Not really a broad brush at all. The rise of the 24 hr. news cycle meant objective journalism giving way to "entertainment," and newscasters going from journalists to "commentators. Add to the concentration of media ownership, the rise of messaging masquerading as news and here we are.

P.S. For the record, Hartmann is the only one on either side I can stand for any length of time.

P.P.S. For anyone tired of the constant white noise, switch over to either PBS or the BBC newscasts, and see the difference; it's like night and day...



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11526 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 14):
Selfish, intellectually stupid and/or dishonest individuals are liberals and conservatives. Intelligent people shun these ideologies which are based on violence, lies, and raw emotion with little regard to objectivity, pragmatism, and logic.

From listening to talk radio and watching cable news, the left is more accepting of ideology from slight right to far left across the sepctrum. The left-wing talk radio calls out the Democrats all the time over things and sound like right-wing radio at times.

And to think this all started because St. Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine. *dons kevlar suit*



Life in the wall is a drag.
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Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

Who listens to radio these days anyway?

25 Post contains images Boeing4ever : I just roll my eyes at this. Partisans can't help themselves...their side simply cannot be found guilty! Talk radio dimwits and cable commentators ar
26 seb146 : Base or crazies? I hear sane liberal talk radio hosts calling out Democrats all the time. Yet, the only time I hear right-wing hosts call out "Republ
27 StarAC17 : As far as I know she still is and she is pretty entertaining, she absolutely hates Obama and sometimes you think its a right wing show, she also lets
28 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Oh come now. You haven't figured out that the "base" and the crazies are one in the same!? You use my tea party example, yet the only time Democrats
29 ModernArt : Only two are worthy of listening to... Dennis Miller - For the "right" side of the spectrum Amy Goodman - "Democracy Now" for the "left"
30 slider : I love Dennis Miller. The guy is a common sense conservative and has such a critically thinking mind and is able to express same. Solid dude.
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