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Why Won't Other Arab Nations Take The Palestinians  
User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7149 times:

Why is it that the other Arab nations, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. do not help the Palestinians with refuge? They ignore the fact that the Palestinians live in 2nd rate (or worse) settlements, but they do not offer them refuge or a place to live? As far as i can know, the only time the other Arab nations (i'm sure there are exceptions please let me know of them) support palestine is when somebody blows themselves up in a marketplace or bus stop.

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User currently offlinePendrilsaint From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

In Tony Horwitz Book "Baghdad Without a Map" he gives an idea on this...It seems as if Arabs dont care for Palestinians much...They are apparently view them as shrewd and backstabbing...and it has been that way for a very long time...but at the same time , they dont exactly care for the Israelis either for obvious reasons=)

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

Okay, I'll take the bait.....why should they?

Earth to Israel...problem not going away.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Earth to Israel...problem not going away.

Why should Israel be expected to "take the Palestinians" if no other country is willing to do so as well? And if Arab countries do not especially care for Palestinians (which I have heard from many different sources), then why is Israel so bad for more or less not liking them either?


User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Heavymetal:
Earth to Arabs, Jews/Israel not going away.

I don't need to explain this, you all know what's really going on the "palestinean refugees" hell, how many of the "refugees" were actually born in the "state of palestine"...... yeah you get my point.

yeesh....


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7061 times:

Why should Israel be expected to "take the Palestinians" if no other country is willing to do so as well?

No other country will "take them in" because the general consensus (from everyone except the Israelis and current US government policy) is they didn't deserve to be "kicked out" in the first place. Cmon, man, I'm not bringing up some revolutionary concept here...this is at the heart of what's keeping these two peoples miserable.

If a total stranger bounces your parents out of their house, is the first and loudest debate going to center amongst your relatives as to who will take them in? Or..who kicked them out and why?

Now, before I get torn apart ferociously by the "either-or" zealots on this board, I have decided I am completely neutral on the Israeli / Palestinian issue. I have to be, for my reasoning simply can't ingest the fervant religious bunk surrounding these two societies. Israel has a right to exist on whatever land it wants because God said so? Right on. Palestinians have a right to blow up schoolkids because God said so? Sure. Whatever.

They can both grow up and decide to join the civilized world ...or both go to hell. I don't care.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7047 times:

Fair enough Heavymetal. Very well said.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7034 times:

No other country will "take them in" because the general consensus (from everyone except the Israelis and current US government policy) is they didn't deserve to be "kicked out" in the first place

This isnt acurate at all, The Palestinians have been floating in nowhere land from times before Israel removed them or whatever you wish to call it. The Palestinians have been outcasts to the arab world for a long time also.


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

I don’t like to delve into this topic, but I think I will on this occasion. My landlord is from Egypt plus I had a lot of Arab and Muslim friends back in college (this was not in the U.S., by the way). I often wondered the same thing about why other Arab countries don’t take Palestinians in. First of all, some Arab countries have accepted Palestinian refugees, most notably Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt. With the exception of Jordan and to a lesser extent Egypt, the other countries treat Palestinian refugees pretty poorly. I believe Jordan’s population is 60% Palestinian. In fact, King Abdullah’s wife is Palestinian. One of my friends in college was a Palestinian who grew up in Egypt. I’ve met Palestinians from Kuwait, Canada, and even Charlotte, North Carolina (complete with the southern accent). Hell, there are a fair number of them living in Jersey City and Patterson, New Jersey. So, it’s not like other countries won’t accept them.

You get images and hear stories on the news about this united Arab front and how they all stick together and they are all brothers and what not. It’s complete bullshit. Most of my Arab friends were of Lebanese decent, but I knew a few Egyptians, Palestinians and Jordanians. Fact is they don’t like eachother. You should hear all the smears and slanders they say about other Arab groups. In the Arab world, Lebanese have the reputation of being shrewd, sleazy, and players with women, but outstanding businessmen. On a side note, some of Brazil’s wealthiest citizens are of Lebanese decent. Supposedly, Egyptians are really nice, good hearted people, but somewhat simple, crude not good at running a business. Saudis are viewed as rigid, elitist and really snobby. Jordanians are sort of a mix of everything, but they are generally viewed as the most tolerant of the bunch. Jordan has a thriving IT sector, by the way. As for the Palestinians, the phrases that universally came up were to the effect of “hobo” or “gypsy”…well, generally, they are looked down upon, lower than anyone else…I really couldn’t get an explanation why.

Point is, they don’t like eachother…hell…they’ve had tribal conflicts for centuries. One of my Lebanese friends said he’d never marry someone who was not Lebanese, and he’d especially not marry a Palestinian woman because it would be “a great dishonor to marry someone of those bloodlines”. And this is from a guy who was born and raised in Canada.

It’s interesting because Arabs don’t really hate Americans, the West and, most surprisingly, they claim they don’t hate the Jews. And even if they did hate Americans, it’s not like they hate them anymore than they hate any other Western country. What bugs them is Zionism (which most people here don’t seem to have a fucking clue about – it is the Jewish movement to settle in the area known as Palestine, and it was established centuries ago). Aside from Lebanon, Iraq and maybe Egypt (but Egypt will never admit to it because they are being bought out by U.S weaponry) no other Arab country really has a beef with Israel. Egypt and Lebanon have land disputes, and Iraq…well, you know about them. Iran supports Hezbollah because they are Shiite Muslim, but Iran really doesn’t have any problems with the Jews. Iranians are not Arabs and Arabs and Persians have never, ever gotten along. But, of course, there are the Palestinians who have been displaced, and they are angry for a reason. But I think the rest of the Arabs region would be willing to leave Israel alone. For whatever reason, though, Zionism is able to aggregate all the Arabs (not just Muslims, mind you, but also the Durze, Christians and Arab Jews – yes, the latter does exist) into one group.

So, I don’t really buy this united Arab front, especially when most of them can’t stand eachother. As to why the other Arab countries don’t accept the Palestinians with open arms, they don’t like ‘em, plain and simple. If this was happening to the Lebanese instead of the Palestinians, you’d get the same reaction as you do now – nobody else would take them in.


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Why should other Arab nations take the Palestinians (actually, anyone who knows anything about the region knows that Palestians make up the majority of workers in many countries such as Kuwait and Jordan) - when after all it was the Jews that stole their land through terrorism and ethnic cleansing?

Just imagine what would happen if someone took over your country and forced you to leave with nothing ... would you not want to return home?


User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6977 times:

I don't usually like to participate in these topics but here goes...

Their are actually plenty of Palestinians living in other Arab countries. In Lebanon, Jordan and Syria their are Palestinian refugee camps an their are many Palestinians living in the Gulf as well as in Europe and North America. In Qatar their are many Palestinians, nearly as much as Qataris and many have been given Qatari passports and served in high positions in the government.
My Arabic language teacher is a Palestinian who has fled Haifa in 1948 as a young child and has lived a nomadic life most of his life living in poor conditions in Egypt, Jordan, Yemen etc... before setlling in Saudi Arabia in the early 80s and then moving here to Qatar. This situation is the same with most other Palestinians in Qatar.

"As far as i can know, the only time the other Arab nations (i'm sure there are exceptions please let me know of them) support palestine is when somebody blows themselves up in a marketplace or bus stop."

That is absolutley untrue, there is plenty of support given to the Palestinian people from the Arab countries in peace and war. Their are many charitable activities such as fund raising, university scholarships for Palestinian high-school graduates, educational support especially for kids in refugee camps, emergency medical treatment etc... As this is an aviation board, let me add something relevant a Qatar Airways aircraft in 2000 airlifted palestinians with bullet wounds or other serious injuries for medical treatment in Qatar.

"No other country will "take them in" because the general consensus (from everyone except the Israelis and current US government policy) is they didn't deserve to be "kicked out" in the first place."

I agree with Heavymetal on this issue, but another problem is that many of the refugee camps become dangerous sub-standard places with poor sanition and poor medical care diseases spread rapidly. Also many of the kids in the refugee can't get access to a proper education because they have to support themselves and their families by working as street vendors, mechanics or in farms leaving no time for education. Once they grow older the same thing happens with their kids and the cycle of poverty continues. The key to ending this cycle is to educate the kids, create job oppurtunities, offer proper sanitation and medical facilities and basically integrate thos people into society. This has proven successful in the Gulf countries where many of the refugees are now educated and work as doctors, engineers, computer programmers, teachers etc... because the Palestinians came to the Gulf in small numbers compared to Jordan, Lebanon and Syria and also the Gulf has the resources to do this.

In the other hand Jordan, Lebanon and Syria have low resources and the economy can't support the refugees and so the poverty cycle can't be broken and the refugees can't be integrated into society. Also many of the older Generation refugess who were born in Palestine refuse to integrate into society and settle down, the only want to settle down in their homeland. This is why Jordan, Lebanon and Syria refuse to take on more refugees and argue that they should be allowed to return becaus they can't support them.

Regards,
QatarAirways









User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

I dont think that the Arab Nations need to take the Palastinains, & By the way, thay dont want to do it as well (Arab solidarity, yea right).
I think that all the Palastinains sould live in the Palastinian Othority, in a state of thier own that will be in a part of the West Benk & in Gaza Strip, Everything together with agreement with the Israeli goverment.



"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineTurbineBeaver From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6960 times:

Very well said Heavymetal, great point.

The question should more be, why doesnt another Jewish state take the Israelis? The Palestinians were there first, so, technically, the Israelis should be shipped off to Europe and the USA. Yes, there are no other "jewish states" however, most people in israel originate from: Romania, former USSR, Ethiopia, Somalia, Poland, Hungary, as well as most european countries.

TB


User currently offlineAsbg From Israel, joined Feb 2000, 538 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

The Arabs nations don't care at all!!
Where is all the money they promised?

I think for them Arafat the Palestinian leader is like a bone stuck in their throat. The people are not the problem it's their leader.

*Sam*


User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

TurbineBeaver says:

The question should more be, why doesnt another Jewish state take the Israelis

This is exactly right: the whole reason Israel was created from Palestine was because Europe at the end of WWII did not want the survivors of the holocaust around Europe. Simultaneously, Britain was looking to end its increasingly unpleasant administration of the territories it won in WWI, so, why not kill two birds with one stone? ...By ending both the holocaust survivor problem and the [unruly administration of] Arab[s] problem, by, of all things, forcing them to live in the same land - the land today called Israel.

Only 20% of Israel's population was born in Israel. Virtually all of the Palestinians were born in the land formerly called Palestine. How can anyone suggest that the Palestinians should leave the land they were born in when it is the Israelis who are the new arrivals?

source for population information :http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

EL-AL,

I was thinking with regards to this "Palastinian State", maybe if the world's nations came together and use their nuclear capability to ignite a forced undersea volcanic explosion off the coast of Israel, so that the lava/magma will form a new island. After a few years of renovation and construction, we will call that "Palastine"  Big thumbs up

Though the tsumanis might distroy Israel in the process, I donno if it is a good idea anymore...  Sad

BTW, it is spelled: Palastinian Authority and West Bank.  Smile



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6913 times:

In the 1940s and '50s many Palestinians were living in Jordan. They staged a revolt in order to destroy the government and take over the country. This revolt failed and thousands were killed. The rest was thrown out of the country.
In the 1960s many Palestinians were living in Syria. They staged a revolt to overthrow the government and take over the country. The revolt failed and tens of thousands were killed. The rest was thrown out of the country.
In the 1970s and '80s many Palestinians were living in Lebanon. They... The revolt failed (leading to the war in 1982 when both Israel and Syria invaded Lebanon and fought it out with both each other and the Palestinians) and ...
The rest ...
In the 1980s many Palestinians lived in Kuwait and the other Gulf states. When Iraq invaded Kuwait they took up arms against Kuwait and supported the invaders. The invasion failed and many of them were killed. The rest were thrown out of the country.
In the 1990s many Palestinians lived in Israel. They took up arms against the Israeli government and the world supported them. Whenever Israel defended itself it was denounced as a fascist agressor.
Israel gave them self-rule over large parts of the country in exchange for a ceasefire, which the Palestinians methodically broke every chance they got.

hmm, do I see history repeating itself?????



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

SAS23, you have once more managed to make an irrelevant and bigoted post and tarnished a genuine, good intentioned thread. Didn't you notice how everyone prior to and after your post made statements supported by history and that were totally unopinionated, yet you continue to bring your hatred for the Jews in this thread anyway, which I find to be totally ironic, since you are British, and the British were the ones that created this entire mess to begin with.

User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Simple answer: because Palestinians lives where they lives and why they should abandon homes and go to other Arab nation, even if that nation would accept them? And also, yes SAS, Jews there the ones who stolen land. If Israel would offer West Bank and Gaza Strip to say Jordan and Egypt and these countries would refuse, this would be another case and then you would be able to post such topics.

User currently offlinePIAforME From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

Iran is NOT a nation of arabs.

KamranSarwar
PIAforME


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6862 times:

Palestians make up the majority of workers in many countries such as Kuwait and Jordan

Bullshit. All 400,000 Palestinians were expelled from Kuwait 11 years ago.

In Lebanon, Jordan and Syria their are Palestinian refugee camps

Thats billshit also. Yes there are Lebanese Palestinian refugee camps, but Lebanon hardly "took them in" as the original poster queried. Instead they locked them into these camps of squalor where Palestinians are prohibited from undertaking many professions, prohibited from many types of education, and prohibited from leaving and joining the general Lebanese populace. Thats not the question who allowed the Palestinians to merely survive, its "who took them in" and cared for them and allowed them to join society. Jordan did, Syria is starting to, and Lebanon most certainly does NOT.

was because Europe at the end of WWII did not want the survivors of the holocaust around Europe

You can bet that at the end of WWII the survivors of the holocaust didn't want Europe either.

Only 20% of Israel's population was born in Israel.

You don't understand math very well.  Smile. The number you quoted is actually 20% of 80% (The Jewish population) were born in Israel. But even this number is wrong. The CIA says there figures are 6 years old, while at the same time, in yesterday's Jerusalem Post, Bar-Ilan University's most recently study found that in fact Jews make up only 72% of Israel's population, not 80%.

So your all mixed up! (Not exactly the first time)

Iran is NOT a nation of arabs

You bet! And they don't like Arabs very much either. Except for Syria, wonder why?  Laugh out loud

TNNH


User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

No other country will "take them in" because the general consensus (from everyone except the Israelis and current US government policy) is they didn't deserve to be "kicked out" in the first place. Cmon, man, I'm not bringing up some revolutionary concept here...this is at the heart of what's keeping these two peoples miserable.

If a total stranger bounces your parents out of their house, is the first and loudest debate going to center amongst your relatives as to who will take them in? Or..who kicked them out and why?

Now, before I get torn apart ferociously by the "either-or" zealots on this board, I have decided I am completely neutral on the Israeli / Palestinian issue. I have to be, for my reasoning simply can't ingest the fervant religious bunk surrounding these two societies. Israel has a right to exist on whatever land it wants because God said so? Right on. Palestinians have a right to blow up schoolkids because God said so? Sure. Whatever.

They can both grow up and decide to join the civilized world ...or both go to hell. I don't care.


This gets my Vote for Israel/Palestine issue's post of the month Big grin
Good argument
"Fair enuff"
-Lt. Jack Ridley, The Right Stuff


User currently offlineRonen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6829 times:

THIS IS HOW THE ARAB STATES TYPICLY TREAT THE PALESTINIANS
http://www.refugees.org/world/countryrpt/mideast/kuwait.htm

THE DON'T REALY CARE ABOUT THEM THEY JUST USE THEM TO TAKE THE ARAB PUBLIC OPINION OUT OF THE REAL ISSUES THEY HAVE TO FACE LIKE -NO DEMOCRACY,NO HUMAN RIGHTS,CORRUPTION AND POVERTY.


User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6835 times:

Amen, Leftseat86 .
Reading last statements from both sides leaders, I am beginning to see this I/P conflict as kinky sex between consenting adults. Until their peoples do not kick (vote out) these old farts out of office, there is no hope for them...


User currently offlineRonen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6823 times:

The Israeli p.m before Sharon was ehud barak . He was a left party leader all for negotiating and ending this conflict. He offered arafat 97 or 98% of the territories , another area in the south of Israel and east Jerusalem .
what did he got in return -this horrible terror attacks .The Israelis unlike the Palestinian (or any other Arab citizen in an arab country for that matter) can change our leaders when we offered concessions and peace we got over 500 dead Israelis .This is why the Israeli "left" is dead .after baraks offers and what he got in return from the Nobel peace price winner arafat.


25 Krushny : Ronen, the great majority of that 500 Israelis were killed during Sharon's tenure, so do not blame Barak for them. It was Sharon who decided to escala
26 Ronen : The only reason why this dynamic is going on is because western Europe and the u.s will not let us defend ourselves if we were the u.s the first bomb
27 Alpha 1 : Because they're hypocrites. They yell and scream every hour on the hour that the west-particularly the U.S., needs to do something to help the Palesti
28 Krushny : Ronen, as usual in this conflict, Israel/Pal blame others for their mistakes, and instead of argumenting you wave the Holocaust flag. It was idiotic o
29 SAS23 : Alpha 1 - if the Americans are throwing billions of dollars at the Israelis every year to bail out their bankrupt economy, then why shouldn't the Pale
30 Leftseat86 : SAS23 the problem you dont see is that most Palestinians (about 60%) want total destruction of Israel, and all of that land as theirs. From my POV, th
31 SAS23 : Leftseat86 - that's just rhetoric; in the same way that the Israelis are advocating the destruction of the Palestinians. Of course, the Israelis have
32 Yyz717 : Another double standard. The entire world accuses Israel of mistreating Palestinians while Arab (mis)treatment of Palestinians goes unchallenged.
33 RogueTrader : Ronen, How exactly are the USA and Western Europe preventing Israel from doing what it wants? Krushny says: Israel/Pal blame others for their mistakes
34 Yyz717 : Rogue, that's pretty one-sided. If you were truly interested in the welfare of the Palestinian people, where is your equal condemnation of Palestinian
35 Alpha 1 : Europe lead by Saudi Arabia? Uh, no, Krushny, The ARAB WORLD led by Saudi Arabia. The Socialist-leaning E.U. is just lead more and more by a bunch of
36 RogueTrader : Rogue, that's pretty one-sided. If you were truly interested in the welfare of the Palestinian people, where is your equal condemnation of Palestinian
37 Post contains images Flight Level : *No Comment* Pendrilsaint, have you read his other book, Confederates In The Attic. It is a good laugh.
38 Yyz717 : Roguetrader, have you checked how much US aid goes to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and about a dozen other so-called friendly Arab US allies? Add it up & you'
39 RogueTrader : Roguetrader, have you checked how much US aid goes to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and about a dozen other so-called friendly Arab US allies? No, I haven't. A
40 Yyz717 : I'll never go there as long as my wages are used to kill the people that live there or near there. How selective! The US has killed millions of Vietna
41 Alpha 1 : Unfortunately, Yyz, Rogue is an elitist-he somehow thinks he's better than the rest of us Americans.
42 RogueTrader : How selective! The US has killed millions of Vietnamese, Cubans, Koreans, Iraqis....and yet you're a proud American Rogue? Actually, I wouldn't go to
43 SAS23 : Yyz717 said: Another double standard. The entire world accuses Israel of mistreating Palestinians while Arab (mis)treatment of Palestinians goes uncha
44 Mish1234 : Watch the news, they interview a palastian.. first thing they say! "The Occupation" #1 there is no occupation #2 they got kicked off land that wasent
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