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Perry To Announce His Run For President.  
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60884.html

He is in. Going to be great to finally get to some red meat and be done with the Palin and Bachmann stuff. Perry stands a much better chance of winning the nomination and the general. He has the hair, the look and gives probably a better speech than our tele reader. Not to mention some actual executive experience.

I see Bachmann fading and Romney in a bit of trouble at this point.


This will be great I can't wait to watch his speech on Sat!

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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4404 times:
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Good Luck!

He certianly picked a great day to so.

We certainly need good people in the race!

If he would keep his religious views to himself, he would be more palatable. At least to me. 

[Edited 2011-08-08 12:12:26]


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User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Great, as if we really need another cowboy from Texas getting to the White House.

The republican field is not improved one bit with him in.


User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Excellent news! We'll see how this all turns out.


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User currently offlineKngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 401 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4358 times:
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I personally can't stand him but I'm sorta glad to see hes running. It will certainly make things more interesting. I still don't think he has a chance at beating Obama but I'll concede that he does look the part and is a good speaker. This will definitely hurt Bachmann but I doubt it does much damage to Romney. Tea Party types don't exactly like him anyway, if anything it might help him since it could split the tea party vote.

User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Quoting Kngkyle (Reply 4):
I personally can't stand him but I'm sorta glad to see hes running

That's the problem I see. Not so much his political ideology which is not particularly concerning or anything, just a solid conservative. But his charisma is in the negative digits. And whether we like it or not, in these times we need to engage with the world, Europe, Middle East, Asia, Latin America, and Perry will be seen by many as just another ''cowboy my way or the highway,'' kind of Don't mess withTexas politician. And that simply cannot work with foreign relations, as we saw last decade.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5498 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

How well does he deal with a split legislature? Sure he can deal with Republican's but how will he do with disruptive Democrats and TP'ers?

Tugg



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User currently onlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6311 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Curious to see if Sam Brownback gets his wish and runs as his VP down the road, should it come to that.

Quoting Kngkyle (Reply 4):
I still don't think he has a chance at beating Obama

I don't necessarily think he has a chance of beating even other Republicans. Top 3, perhaps, but Top 1? That might be tough.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17418 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

I don't believe anyone that pulls a stunt like a day of prayer is smart enough to lead a nation. President of Jonestown? Sure. I can only "pray" this blows up in his face.

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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):

I don't believe anyone that pulls a stunt like a day of prayer is smart enough to lead a nation. President of Jonestown? Sure. I can only "pray" this blows up in his face.

Guess Obama shouldn't have been at the prayer breakfast, either?



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User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8824 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
I don't believe anyone that pulls a stunt like a day of prayer is smart enough to lead a nation.

Nice to know how little you think of our nation's greatest leaders.

Quote:
"The Honorable Congress having recommended it to the United States to set apart Thursday the 6th of May next to be observed as a day of fasting, humility and prayer, to acknowledge the gracious interpositions of Providence; to deprecate [to pray or intreat that a present evil may be removed] deserved punishment for our Sins and Ingratitiude, to unitedly implore the Protection of Heaven; Success to our Arms and the Arms of our Ally: The Commander in Chief enjoins a religious observance of said day and directs the Chaplains to prepare discourses proper for the occasion; strictly forbidding all recreations and unnecessary labor.”

—George Washington, First President of the United States


[Edited 2011-08-08 12:57:59]


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5498 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 9):
Guess Obama shouldn't have been at the prayer breakfast, either?

Except Perry's was explicitly for Christian's only.

Tugg



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17418 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
Nice to know how little you think of our nation's greatest leaders.

Perry's christianity is so hollow, transparent, and politically motivated it makes Paris Hilton look like a Buddhist monk.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 9):
Guess Obama shouldn't have been at the prayer breakfast, either?

  



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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
Perry's christianity is so hollow, transparent, and politically motivated it makes Paris Hilton look like a Buddhist monk.

I lol'd!   (in reference to Paris Hilton)

Quoting tugger (Reply 11):
Except Perry's was explicitly for Christian's only.

"Although Perry invited all the nation's governors, members of Congress and the Obama administration, it was not clear who would attend."

Source: http://www.npr.org/2011/08/06/139051...ks-god-to-pray-for-nations-leaders

Obama, all of congress, and every single governor are all Chrisitans? News to me!

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):

  

At least you're consistent. Is it acceptable for a governor or the President to, when he sees fit and during personal time (not that either necessarily get much), host a religious study or gathering with friends at their home? Just curious. Not flame bait or anything... just curious.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8219 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
If he would keep his religious views to himself, he would be more palatable.

I believe that what you see is for public consumption. He needs the Christian Rightand it's an easy approach to get them.

Overall I see him as Bush III and not much more.

Key factor here will be his years as Governor being put under the microscope. He has enough of a record for us to see his successes as well as his failures.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5498 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
Nice to know how little you think of our nation's greatest leaders.

Funny thing is, times change.... Slavery is discovered to not be OK, women are found to be capable of voting, and involving religion in politics, particularly elevating a single religion as being "best", is discovered to be a bad thing....

Of course that doesn't take away anything from George Washington being a great leader and the best leader we could have hoped for at the time. And I suspect that had been a leader today, he would know that, as it was the right thing to do to not seek further election when others were begging him to, he would turn down something like Perry attended.

Tugg



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4248 times:
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Quoting Ken777 (Reply 14):

I believe that what you see is for public consumption. He needs the Christian Rightand it's an easy approach to get them.

Which makes it even the more scary. Shudder...



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5498 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 13):
"Although Perry invited all the nation's governors, members of Congress and the Obama administration, it was not clear who would attend."

Source: http://www.npr.org/2011/08/06/139051...ks-god-to-pray-for-nations-leaders

Obama, all of congress, and every single governor are all Chrisitans? News to me!

You can invite anyone you want to a flag burning, chances are those that are not of similar belief will not attend so those invitations are hollow.

Just curious, how do you view his faith against Matthew 6:5-6:

English Standard Version
6:5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

6:6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

King James Bible
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Tugg

[Edited 2011-08-08 13:22:57]


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5652 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

Im thrilled with the news. Him or Bachmann will come out ahead. Just my opinion.


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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 17):

I'll reply, but leave it at that at risk of pulling this even more off topic. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss more.

I believe that the passage is saying not to make a show or a spectacle of how holy you must be because you are praying. The Bible, though, is filled with instances of people praying in public. I personally (please note that word) don't see anything wrong with leading others in prayer.

I said some other things that sounded pretty good (well, to me at least   ), but A.net apparently doesn't sanitize user input and interpreted something I wrote as an HTML comment and deleted everything after that... which was most of my post... and now I don't remember everything I said.

Quoting tugger (Reply 17):
You can invite anyone you want to a flag burning, chances are those that are not of similar belief will not attend so those invitations are hollow.

My point was, if it was only for Christians, why would he invite non-Christians? If he invited non-Christians, it must not have been only for Christians. To your point, if I invited you to a flag burning and said "only people who like burning flags may attend", you wouldn't have really been invited since I precluded you.

Of course, it is almost a certainty that only those with similar religious views showed up - but that does not mean it was only for them. Others were welcome, I would assume.

[Edited 2011-08-08 13:41:23]


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
If he would keep his religious views to himself,

Why? He isn't allowed to be a man of faith? One of the Seals we lost in Afghanistan was a main of faith and told his grandmother not to worry because even if he fell he would be with the Lord. MSNBC ate it up but once an elected official does it no good? I am not religious and don't believe in divine intervention but do believe there is a God and if some want to practice their faith in the open so be it. In fact it's pretty refreshing.

Quoting CometII (Reply 2):
Great, as if we really need another cowboy from Texas getting to the White House.

The lawyers from the Ivy league aren't doing so hot lately. I would take someone from Texas any day.

Quoting tugger (Reply 6):
How well does he deal with a split legislature? Sure he can deal with Republican's but how will he do with disruptive Democrats and TP'ers?

Hopefully the GOP can gain enough seats in the Senate to negate the RINOs. His approach is going to be the same as Boehner's and the question is not the TP but the Pelosi's caucus' refusal to cut anything substantial.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
I don't believe anyone that pulls a stunt like a day of prayer is smart enough to lead a nation.

Yet it's ok to go listen to a preacher say "GOD DAMN AMERICA"? and not leave? Even after Oprah did? Again I will take Perry's beliefs over Obama's.

Quoting tugger (Reply 11):
Except Perry's was explicitly for Christian's only.

Source? Funny I didn't see a sign that said that the event.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 13):
Obama, all of congress, and every single governor are all Chrisitans? News to me!

Who said you have to be Christian to go to a prayer event?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 14):
Key factor here will be his years as Governor being put under the microscope. He has enough of a record for us to see his successes as well as his failures.

Bring it on. I just watched our market bleed red and heard a speech that told us absolutely nothing and still said he wouldn't cut anything substantial. We are watching epic fail on the biggest level right before our eyes so I doubt you will be able to find something worse with Perry.

Quoting tugger (Reply 17):
You can invite anyone you want to a flag burning, chances are those that are not of similar belief will not attend so those invitations are hollow.

Actually it means the people who don't share the beliefs are pretty hollow, I doubt if Rep Ellison arrived he would be turned away in fact I bet Perry would have embraced him.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4161 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
If he would keep his religious views to himself,

Why? He isn't allowed to be a man of faith?

No, no he has all the right in the world, but that does not change the fact that i don't have to agree with his postures that are based on his religion.

I believe that a President can be religious, and for his religion to help our as a moral compass of sorts, but he/she should be humble enough to realize that there are others that he/she governs who do may not agree with a purely religious approach to issues, and should be "objective" - if you will- when it comes to National Policies.

That being said - his "Day of Prayer" doesn't bode well for the above.

In any case, that is why my fist post explicitly said:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
At least to me.

I even added a smiley face.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
I would take someone from Texas any day.

You may not, but once people realize Perry is a clone of GWB, he's going to be in trouble.

And despite the supposed strength of the Texas economy, Perry would leave the state with massive and perpetual deficits. Read this article about Perry and his fiscal management.

http://www.tnr.com/node/90370


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17418 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):

Yet it's ok to go listen to a preacher say "GOD DAMN AMERICA"? and not leave? Even after Oprah did? Again I will take Perry's beliefs over Obama's.

What's the difference? Two irrational "leaders" who both claim to be religious

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
He isn't allowed to be a man of faith?

Sure he is, and I'm allowed to point out the obvious, that it's blatant pandering to the christian right, whose time is up.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
One of the Seals we lost in Afghanistan was a main of faith and told his grandmother not to worry because even if he fell he would be with the Lord

Is he running for office?



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21554 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):
Perry is a clone of GWB

   And we don't need another one of those, no matter what his hair looks like.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):
And despite the supposed strength of the Texas economy, Perry would leave the state with massive and perpetual deficits.

The Texas bubble is certainly bursting, and there are significant financial problems facing the state. If people are looking for a fiscally responsible candidate, Perry isn't it.

-Mir



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25 Post contains links NIKV69 : How is he a clone of Bush? Well hope and change hasn't really done us well now has it? No more importantly he was given a rifle and asked to protect
26 ER757 : It is how he'll be portrayed by anyone running against him. Governor of Texas, Republican = clone of GWB. Guarantee that's how the ads against him wi
27 TOMMY767 : He's a little conservative but better than Obama. He's got some liberal beliefs such as pro legalization of pot and creating an executive mandate to g
28 MaverickM11 : I'm sure Perry will somehow transparently capitalize on that as well
29 Aaron747 : We'll see what the Christian fundies do with the rumors of Perry's sexuality. Somebody is already working a smear campaign against him with the leakin
30 MaverickM11 : Sleep with dogs...
31 Post contains images Ken777 : Bush III ANd if you take the last month you will see that the markets have shed $2 Trillion in value. Lots of people's retirements permanently damage
32 Dreadnought : I find it fascinating to see you continue to harp on this as you have for days, even weeks. I'm no psychologist but it seems to be some sort of psych
33 Mir : Did you read FlyPNS1's article? I'm not denying that Texas' economy did very well over the past decade, but much like the national economy a few year
34 LTBEWR : This is all we need, another narrowminded, anti-government, pro-corporate, 2nd Amendment absolutist, so-called Christian as a Presidential candidate.
35 Superfly : Rick Perry expanded his sausage factory and has been very successful. That is far more impressive than anything that community organizer did prior to
36 NIKV69 : Thanks for injecting some sanity into the thread Larry.
37 gigneil : One is respect. The other is talking to imaginary people. Personally, I think there's a difference. NS
38 Post contains images gigneil : Actually, that's crap. The primary reason for the downgrade was that S&P did not believe the Republican party was able to control TP intransigence
39 Post contains links Superfly : Respect is fine as long as one is consistent in showing respect for different religions. If Obama praises Islam while mocking Christianity. http://ww
40 Centre : looks like he already got your vote. Wasn't he the guy who threatened the secession of Texas from the Union? And now he believes in the USA? Please,
41 BN747 : That's exactly how 49 other states and few denizens of Vegas and spots in Arizona will see it. When people of the other 49 states here 'Texas, Texas
42 MAH4546 : Perry, Bachman or Romeny. Doesn't matter - there is no way a democrat can win the electoral college. Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio and Flori
43 Geezer : [quote=mt99,reply=1]If he would keep his religious views to himself, he would be more palatable. At least to me. I think they would all be wise to be
44 LTBEWR : The thing is that Gov. Perry is more likely to be the candidate as he will have a proven record of creating jobs, in part from low taxes, limited gove
45 TOMMY767 : There is nothing wrong with Islam itself but for Obama it has been this questionable, non-transparent faith between all the Reverand Wright BS. Not s
46 Mir : He's not an extreme Christian. He's just very loud about his views. Can't say the same about Obama. -Mir
47 Post contains images MaverickM11 : It's Sophie's choice His commitment against gay marriage is about as politically convenient and transparent as his commitment to christianity He's ve
48 FlyPNS1 : He has publicly stated that he supports a federal amendment banning gay marriage. Given that, I'd say he's against it. Not so sure on FL or MI. MI is
49 Post contains images NIKV69 : Maybe his view on gay marriage can "evolve" like Obama. What makes this so funny is social views never have much to do with a presidential election.
50 BN747 : Stupidity is doing the same thing twice that didn't work the 1st time. Bush - Big mouth trash-talking (as long as the Army is behind him) fake Christ
51 Superfly : Well considering my extended family mostly hails from Chicago's South Side and I was partially raised in the community that Obama 'organized', I can
52 Newark727 : I can't make heads or tails of this but it sound like the "secret muslim" argument again, except soft-pedaled. Which is, I suppose, a mild improvemen
53 Dreadnought : Only the ignorant believe that. How about providing a real rationale of why you would want as president, an academic who's never taken responsibility
54 BN747 : Let's see, he just hung around down there and cut his fingernails and counted traffic signals. My guess without wikipedia-ing it is.. he was mostly l
55 Geezer : Dogmatic: "Quoting one's own personal opinion as though it was a proven fact"; The above is a classic example! The primary ( and only ) goal of the s
56 Post contains links and images tugger : Have you tried "Nanny nanny poo poo, I don't like you.... and you're ugly too!"? RINO's are simply Republican's that other Republican's like to call
57 WarRI1 : I will certainly agree with that. The name of the game is power. The Tea Party and their backers, certainly seem to fall into the same old mold of th
58 Post contains images NIKV69 : Oh yea I forgot calling people "terrorists" is so much more en vogue. So now you are comparing prayer to descrating the flag of our country, boy is t
59 tugger : That is not being more mature: "Well, THEY do this first!". You can only control how YOU act. I have not used that term how you imply and would not.
60 MAH4546 : Michigan only becomes a swing state if Romney runs. Romney is from Michigan, and candidates almost always win their home state. Gore was too much a l
61 MAH4546 : And that's how it should be. It is not the government's responsibility to create jobs. The government's responsibility is to create a low regulation,
62 FlyPNS1 : Because they see Red states like Florida, Arizona, Mississippi, South Carolina, etc and they aren't real impressed. All those states are just as big
63 StarAC17 : You forget one thing Romney is a Mormon and he isn't getting through the primaries in the first place, in a primary you have to win the base and if y
64 NIKV69 : As they shouldn't they broke the law. If what you are saying that illegals in Fla are just going to vote for someone who promises amnesty and has a t
65 BN747 : The gov't's job is to minimize regulation according to you...? I see and how deep is your history of understanding how well that all played out? Reag
66 Mir : Which is a situation anyone with a brain should be afraid of. Single-party governance is a recipe for disaster. -Mir
67 MAH4546 : Those red states are, for the most part, far better off than the blue states. They actually are lining themselves up for healthy futures when the eco
68 MAH4546 : Limited regulation does not equal no regulation. There should be regulation, that is obvious, but fuel economy restrictions, calorie menu counts and
69 Post contains images photopilot : Ya right.... having hair is now a requirement for POTUS? No wonder the rest of the world laughs at the American political process. It's all show and
70 zhiao : And yet, why was GDP growth and employment growth low compared to any other expansion (2002-2007)?
71 Aaron747 : Oh boy here we go again. So the banks that created complex trading schemes based on high risk loans bear no responsibility? You know, the ones that t
72 NIKV69 : It's also just about the whole reason Obama won with the addition of twitter and facebook as well. If it wasn't either Rudy or Hillary would be in th
73 FlyPNS1 : No, they aren't. They have unemployment rates that are just as high as the blue states. They also have lower educational attainment (meaning most of
74 Post contains images Mir : Yeah, they sure did a bang-up job from 2001 to 2006. Fool me once.... -Mir
75 Post contains links tugger : Which red states? Kentucky? Arizona? Louisiana? South Carolina? Mississippi? Arkansas? Alabama? Nebraska? Georgia? Kansas? http://247wallst.com/2010/
76 StarAC17 : Memo to the Bachmann's, you receive farm subsuidies from the government which is socialist so if you practice what you preach then you better be tear
77 BN747 : Precisely, I was gonna toss that sterling example in there..but it'll do little good because.. 1) The Bachmanns won't stop pigging out on the public
78 Post contains images Superfly : Actually he went there to "organized black folks". That what Obama mentions on page #133 in his book 'Dreams Of My Father' (writen by Bill Ayers) Cer
79 Post contains images Superfly : Actually he went there to "organize black folks". That is what Obama mentions on page #133 in his book 'Dreams Of My Father' (written by Bill Ayers)
80 Newark727 : Would it help to have someone with strong financial sense? For sure. (We can debate what that means, and who has and doesn't have it, at a later date
81 Post contains links Baroque : Care to back that up from: http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/BrowseBy.aspx?category=region Global terrorism database. Did not know that the Congo w
82 NIKV69 : Very well said Larry. That is because they all thought he would either ram amnesty through while he had congress or sign an executive order. I wish,
83 BN747 : Apparent he did, I haven't forgotten all those Chicago Terrorists that have horrified the nation - if you're wondering who I'm referring to - I'm won
84 Post contains links Superfly : Interesting your link about global terrorism didn't include Bill Ayers. I guess he would be classified as a non-Muslim white terrorist also. No argum
85 Mir : I haven't been able to find anything on Perry's sausage business. -Mir
86 Gyreaux130J : All the GOP candidates I've seen thus far come with too much baggage(Perry included, even though he's a former Herk driver)... I'm holding out for Ch
87 NIKV69 : He was my first pick as well with Scott Brown pulling a late dark horse shocker as both candidates that can beat Obama rather easily. At this point i
88 Gyreaux130J : His weight notwithstanding(I hate that that's an issue, but it is what it is), I'm scared that Christie has been too adamant about not running this e
89 Post contains images ltbewr : One of the things that most disturbs me as to Perry is his close connections to the radical cult-like religious right. This was reflected in his 'pray
90 NIKV69 : He is just doing that to pander to the fringe in the party. He is speaking now. Started out with a tad too much religious stuff but is on a roll now.
91 type-rated : Perry doesn't know how to separate church from state according to our constitution. Not only did he exclude non-christians from his "Day of Prayer" b
92 NIKV69 : He didn't exclude anybody. Source? Just because certain people chose not to go doesn't mean they weren't allowed to go or that anybody excluded them.
93 Mir : I don't know about whether he sounds like Bush, but he acts like Bush (and I'm talking more about his governance than his religion). Even if Bush had
94 Post contains links tugger : Being a business man is not a good key criteria for a president in this time (and I don't think it is at any time really but who knows what the futur
95 NIKV69 : No I just didn't buy into your opinion that if you are invited to something but hate everyone going and don't attend it doesn't mean you were exclude
96 tugger : Well he is both lying and not living by his Christian values. "Spreading wealth" does not punish success. It is an element of success as you are able
97 tugger : Yes it does, if it were to include others then it would have worked hard to have the planning group include those of varied belief so that it would b
98 NIKV69 : The law of retaliation is also in the bible does that mean you are for the death penalty?
99 tugger : The bible has little to do with my beliefs. I am however for the death penalty but I do not think it works how it is currently applied. I also think
100 BN747 : Are you kidding? No other President in HISTORY has tried to reach out as much as this man has to a political party that has hated him from DAY 1. A p
101 Post contains images NIKV69 : Not really, more so since Pelosi has been driving the car and pulling his strings. Saying things like "we won" really didn't inspire us to think they
102 BN747 : Reagan had no were near as an antagonistic opposition as Obama has had to deal with. The Dems had turned on Carter because he would not play 'politic
103 type-rated : Source: Houston Chronicle. However, for Perry to have moral authority, he cannot as a governor call Americans to a Christian rally that by its invita
104 Post contains images Superfly : We'll just have to agree to disagree. For these tough times, I say we do. Agreed! Not saying Rick Perry is the guy either but at least he isn't going
105 BN747 : Completely understood there..they've got all the bases cornered from Morning show host to no matter who does the weather, You cannoy beat those two s
106 SCCutler : None of this was state action - how is separation of church and state (actually, constitutionally, "establishment" of a state religion, but who's spl
107 Post contains links Baroque : Does not show Al Capone's efforts either. Must be because the database says it starts at 1970 but actually starts at ?Aug 1971. Here are the first fe
108 Post contains images NIKV69 : Oh yea those are sure huge scandals. You will need more than that buddy. Got to give Rahm credit he knew when to jump off a sinking ship. Just rememb
109 BN747 : Haha..yesh, that's why businesses left... give me a break, they left because labor cost was slashed by huge margins and their profits soared! It was
110 NIKV69 : What are businesses in business for? Yet you would still support him? Strongly? The jury is out on how flawed it is but I am willing to be NY will be
111 Mir : The policies that have created jobs, but a lot of low paying, low earning jobs (Texas has a higher percentage of people working for minimum wage, and
112 NIKV69 : This is probably the only thing I disagree with Cuomo on. If he shuts them down we lose 25% of power. We don't have the lines or infrastructure to go
113 type-rated : I didn't even mention the establishment of a state religion by Perry. He just helped coordinate this "Day of Prayer" for our nation and attended as t
114 BN747 : Well you may support 'profit at any and all cost' better known as greed unchecked ...but I certainly don't.. it's how slavery was accepted then and w
115 Post contains links rottenray : Well, apparently, the paid-dinner straw poll, as it is called, when it is nothing more than unreportable donation money which falls into a very narrow
116 ltbewr : The 'first place' in the Iowa Straw Poll by Bachman really means little to her ever getting the nomination. The main thing it did was to chase out Tim
117 Post contains images NIKV69 : Gordon said it. "Greed is good" This is ridiculous. So I guess your not going to give us any source and just keep throwing out bombs. Like I said Vin
118 Post contains images Baroque : Wow. Great rant. Only one thing, the current lot of potential nominees show that there were some positive things about McCain. Ok, not all that many
119 BN747 : Yeah, he'll be major alright til he has to explain the Texas School Board of Education decisions of late... ..the nation will want no part of that..
120 SCCutler : Actually (and blessedly), jobs have grown here n pretty much all sectors. Not that I'd necessarily credit Governor Perry with it, but rather, a gener
121 BN747 : Yeah, it comes down to... like 'you said'... Lol...you can't be serious, the War isn't free! Using your logic you'd have to remove the War expenditur
122 MCOGVADCA : I'm very much conflicted. From an economic standpoint, no one in the field, not even Romney, compares to his leadership in Texas. As someone who cares
123 Post contains links Mir : And yet they still can't close their deficit (or, rather, won't close it) without short-changing the state's future workers (and thus future business
124 StarAC17 : Thats the big issue with congress, everyone wants cuts but not for their district which is why members of congress stay in power even though their co
125 sccutler : Hence, the danger of relying upon information secured from the press without first securing independent verification. The bill was filed and consider
126 Post contains images NIKV69 : Ok so I guess innuendo and third party and hearsay is all you need? I will stop asking for any credible source or evidence since it's obvious there i
127 Post contains links BN747 : Anyone reading your Vince Foster analogy vs Jackie Kennedy's would rapid conclude that your approach is way off the rails. One has everything in play
128 NIKV69 : Ok then post some of it. Not really no bullet was ever found at the scene. Kind of impossible if he shot himself huh? Much like your claim it's all s
129 WarRI1 : I have to wonder, going back to Reagon, 1989 forward, did the Republican's exist? Everything is the Democrats fault. Local to Federal, honestly, did
130 BN747 : Amazing how effective that 'propaganda machine' is.. but the key is, it plays to the lowest common denominator in human thought. If you look at that
131 WarRI1 : [quote=BN747,reply=130]Nontheless, I just watched ABC News tonite (you can see it online). And I just heard Rick Perry speak for the 1st time in my li
132 dfwrevolution : Yeah, I wouldn't be so quick to get excited. Rick Perry is a tremendous campaigner. I don't know where you got the idea that Americans are soured by
133 Post contains links Superfly : Didn't Obama tell them to sit in the "back of the bus"? Serving in uniform is very honorable and most Americans support and respect those that serve.
134 NIKV69 : Saw this the other day. Pretty entertaining. Doubt Perry could carry NY though but boy would that be funny. I think I would crap in my hat if that ha
135 Superfly : I'm sure people said that in August of 1979 about the possibility of Reagan winning New York and Massachusetts. Well in 1980, Reagan did just that. P
136 BN747 : You completely missed what I meant that. I served, I have great respect for our military and no one hates Chicken hawks more than I do. But I respect
137 Superfly : I'm no fan of Papa Bush either but I would not classify him as a "suck up" that just wanted to take photo ops with the troops. He is the youngest Nav
138 Centre : How many of them were Democrats, or Dems as Rush likes to call them?
139 Superfly : 2 Lyndon B. Johnson 1960, 1964 Lloyd Bentsen 1988
140 FlyPNS1 : But people are tired of those who mis-use their military experience to make it appear they understand foreign policy. Maybe that's what's wrong with
141 Dreadnought : You think that having your money forcably taken and given to people the government chooses to be worthy is the equivalent to charity? Remember that t
142 Superfly : Well if you had paid ANY attention as to why the state of New York was brought up in this thread, you'd understand why I mentioned the possibility of
143 N867DA : I can't believe a first world country can even consider candidates like Perry or Bachmann without falling down in tears of laughter. I wish the Republ
144 Dreadnought : We said the same thing when Obama started coming up in the polls against Hillary. No way could the Dems select someone with no experience apart from
145 BN747 : Wel, well well...this didn't take long... Current Huffington Post Headline : PERRY ON BORDER PATROL: UNLEASH THE DRONE An article from yesterday regar
146 Post contains links BN747 : Ooops...forgot the links, Current Huffington Post Headline : PERRY ON BORDER PATROL: UNLEASH THE DRONES http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ DeeDee Garcia B
147 NIKV69 : In addition to this story. It's meaningless. The only state that Obama can count on at this point is CA. The rest are all in play and going GOP fast.
148 Post contains images Dreadnought : So basically you are saying that the criminal element of Hispanic foreigners and their supporters are against Perry and (presumably) will support Oba
149 BN747 : Your laser-like ability to disparage entire races of people without haste has become an expected contribution. Fox News could not have stated that an
150 Dreadnought : Are criminals and illegals their own race now? Have you consulted a biologist on that bit of wisdom?
151 Post contains links and images Superfly : http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/P...6/id/407505?s=al&promo_code=CD88-1 After reading this link, I am much more suspicious about Rick Perry. I d
152 SCCutler : Don'tcha just hate it when people succumb to the temptation to disparage others through the use of offensive stereotypes?
153 BN747 : Boy, you're really got the anti-muslim bug bad huh? Sketchy biz history, haphazard governing methods, scary representation.. but suddenly the disclos
154 Baroque : Another problem is looming. The side that Obama so "unwisely" backed is increasingly looking as if they might just win - that is if there is ever a w
155 NIKV69 : I was talking in the context of CA, AZ, NV, NM and TX. Not the whole country.
156 Post contains links and images Superfly : Even though I made it clear that I was talking about Papa Bush? No argument there. Dubya was one of the worst US Presidents ever and Obama is racing
157 BN747 : I told you who I directed towards..and I got cha' on Pops Bush. Oh c'mon, it's not even a year til election 2012 yet..you're acting like this means s
158 Superfly : Damn right! No point in spreading democracy if the natives don't know the definition nor have any respect for "Freedom, Liberty and Justice". Saddam
159 Post contains images flyAUA : A good speaker... seriously people!! Is that what you think the country needs? And yet when I point this out to my friends, they bash at me! Haha! Tha
160 Post contains links and images Superfly : I am finding some more unsettling information about Rick Perry and his associations. Perhaps his whole Prayer-A-Palooza was all for nothing and just a
161 sccutler : One important point, Larry - The Court of Appeals, in upholding the "Texas Islamic Court," was simply affirming an agreement to arbitrate, to which th
162 BN747 : Wow, we;ve gone from... to... Well you're guru of your own Islamic-hatefest.. sooooo which is he? Worse than Dubya? Worse than Obama? Or does Perry in
163 Superfly : That comment is from the article, not my words. I for to include the " i " brackets between those comments.[Edited 2011-08-19 00:56:55]
164 Post contains links Aaron747 : Actually what potentially screws Perry is that the northeast elite doesn't want him at all: Republicans and independents are desperate to find a cand
165 BN747 : Ok.. but you did answer this.. just curious, where does Perry rank on your 'anti-muslim polly' list? Could all this be a big misunderstanding maybe?
166 okie : I think you will see the "step in and run" coming in the spring 2012 and maybe a little earlier. You think the Republicans are not going to let Obama
167 BN747 : I just saw Perry on ABC News this eve..and up close it's kinda scary. He has 'drunk face' ... that worn weathery look people get after years of hard-c
168 okie : His demeanor kind of reminds me of LBJ. He just might have the leadership and political finesse to get things done. Is that observation from personal
169 BN747 : Sounds more like wishingful thinking... if past statements and conduct are any suggestion as to what he might do..he's a walking disaster. But today'
170 Superfly : He is too cozy with them, therefore I can't vote for him. A major reason why I've turned against Obama is because I see him as an enabler and too coz
171 Post contains links Centre : An interesting article in NY times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/us/politics/20repubs.html?_r=1&hp Sounds like another GWB.
172 Post contains links and images Centre : More like a guy that you can chat with in a bar? Didn't we hear this before? And then God came to him in the dream, and told him to stop drinking, an
173 Superfly : The only difference is that Perry is smarter than that trust-fund brat named Dubya.
174 Post contains links BN747 : Great for solving problems at ranch, saloon or Sausage Factory..but I'm afraid that falls way short of international relations and complex problems/s
175 Superfly : True but he brings more to the table than the current community organizer. Sure about that? Obama has ties to Muslim organizations, cabinet members t
176 BN747 : If Sarah Palin could charge you each time you invoke her lame, weak and out-dated slogan... she could pad that bank account with some serious numbers
177 Post contains images NIKV69 : I dunno a guy from a peanut farm did a great job with foreign affairs. Oh wait Reagan had to bail him out. We are talking about Palin why? So high sc
178 BN747 : Umm yeah because Reagan and Bush engineered the entire ordeal in the 1st place....see October Surprise. Of course, you'll deny it all. But one thing
179 Superfly : Why are you dragging Sarah Palin in to this discussion? Its about Rick Perry challenging President Obama. Besides the 'community organizer' thing is
180 Post contains links and images Superfly : **Update** The Bible-thumping, right-wing Rick Perry whose campaign is only 2 weeks old is tied at 47 with President Obama in a hypothetical match-up.
181 kaitak : Lots of presidents do very badly in mid-term polls; the (potential) opponents have the luxury of being able to criticise and say things without havin
182 Superfly : Mid-term was 2010.
183 Post contains images Dreadnought : But even these less-than ideal GOP candidates are still within a hair of beating Obama in the polls 14 months before the election - when many people
184 Post contains links and images Superfly : I have my shovel...err.....voter registration card ready. BTW, I prefer Steve Perry over Rick Perry. Steve Perry was political too.... http://www.you
185 CargoLex : And there is the key phrase. In August, 2007, how many people honestly thought Barack Obama would be the next President? In August, 1991, did anybody
186 Superfly : I'm still shocked and I voted for him in the general election. Speak for yourself. I'm a liberal that will vote for anybody but Obama at this point.
187 BN747 : If there's a political reality check anywhere on this board...that fact is it. End of story. Perry won't due, neither will any of the others..except
188 Post contains images Superfly : Nah, I'm still a nudist. I support legalized pot, free artistic expression, pro-choice and support a smart national health care system that actually
189 Post contains links Centre : Speaking of his stance against "BIG GOVERNMENT": http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/op...v-rick-perrys-cash-machine.html?hp Another Hypocrite? The abov
190 Post contains links Dreadnought : They elected Obama, didn't they? And the Democrats don't? The Center for Public Integrity reported that 80 percent of Obama backers who raised more t
191 NIKV69 : Not even close. Larry is a Liberal. What is good about Larry is he still uses his own mind and is not part of the flock saying Bahhhh Bahhhh like the
192 sccutler : FTFY.
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