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Really Vladimir Putin? Really Russia?  
User currently offlinejcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...b3c13baf8dcf2c4895a7fb620f18d0.6d1

MOSCOW — Russia's hard man Prime Minister Vladimir Putin pulled on a wetsuit Wednesday and went scuba diving at an ancient Greek Black Sea site in the latest populist stunt preceding next year's elections.

State news reports said he descended just two metres (6.6 feet) and "luckily" discovered two sixth century urns in full presence of the media, because the water was so clear.

Television footage showed two moss-covered vases with ear-like handles sitting neatly next to each other on top of the sandy bottom as Putin swam into view.

"Treasure!" a dripping wet Putin told reporters with a big grin. "They drank it all already," he added when asked if there was anything left in the jars.

Putin -- a novice only attempting his third scuba dive -- "came across" the objects during an expedition on the southern Russian coast near Ukraine.


What a schmuck and how gullible are the Russian people for "electing" this showman?

He has a semblance of a country built on oil reserves and paying off local olgiarchs for power, and this is what it comes to.... a Kim Jong-Il-esque story. From an American perspective, it's absolutely amazing how Russia has gone from one end of the spectrum to the other. Communist propaganda to Fascist propaganda. They still hate the west and play on Cold War tensions, but now its a race to see how gullible the local populace is.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Quoting jcs17 (Thread starter):
how gullible are the Russian people for "electing" this showman?

*shrug* about as gullible as Americans for re-electing Bush.


User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5491 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 1):

*shrug* about as gullible as Americans for re-electing Bush.

It is not as if we had a viable alternate choice...



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4382 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Putin is pretty much the Chuck Norris of Eurasia.


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User currently offlinejcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 1):
*shrug* about as gullible as Americans for re-electing Bush.

Right. You're so much smarter than we are.

Dead leftist journalists against Putin vs. a leftist journalist population that essentially spewed propaganda against Bush and is still living and employed in the same news networks. Ahhh... the same thing....

I love leftists and their moral relativism.

[Edited 2011-08-13 22:34:43]


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting jcs17 (Thread starter):
What a schmuck and how gullible are the Russian people for "electing" this showman?


Well they did elect him for president but he was appointed PM. But yea I agree what a stunt do they really think this is real? Either way pretty funny idea but a bit clever.

Quoting flood (Reply 1):
*shrug* about as gullible as Americans for re-electing Bush.


I think gullible works more for President Obama and his "hope and change" now believing that is being gullible.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 2):
Quoting flood (Reply 1):

*shrug* about as gullible as Americans for re-electing Bush.

It is not as if we had a viable alternate choice...

I would have thought that there was not much gullibility left lying around after the US fell for the Swift boat ads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vets_and_POWs_for_Truth
Compared with that venture, Putin and his urns are a mere bagatelle.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3006 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting jcs17 (Thread starter):
What a schmuck and how gullible are the Russian people for "electing" this showman?

What position are you in to even begin telling me how "gullible" I am to have elected and voted for who I did? We vote based on our needs, just like the US of A does based on theirs.

Should I go ahead and tell start calling you gullible for your wonderful presidency runs on the other side of the pond from Russia? Sounds fantastic, maybe I should...


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21528 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 3):
Putin is pretty much the Chuck Norris of Eurasia.

I hear that in Eurasia, advertisements for Dos Equis have Vladimir Putin in them.

-Mir



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User currently offlineual777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 7):

What position are you in to even begin telling me how "gullible" I am to have elected and voted for who I did? We vote based on our needs, just like the US of A does based on theirs.

Should I go ahead and tell start calling you gullible for your wonderful presidency runs on the other side of the pond from Russia? Sounds fantastic, maybe I should...

No, because the state-owned media does it for you!



It is always darkest before the sun comes up.
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7139 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 4):
I love leftists and their moral relativism.

As someone who is obviously right wing I would think you'd really like Putin and his politics.


User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 7):
What position are you in to even begin telling me how "gullible" I am to have elected and voted for who I did? We vote based on our needs, just like the US of A does based on theirs.

Of course you do but try explaining that to the US right wing with their characteristic blend of ignorance and arrogance.

Having said that Putin's 'strong man' PR acts are kinda funny and it does surprise me somewhat that they are apparently effective (otherwise he wouldn't do them). They are so transparent. Personally Medvedev comes across as a more level headed, moderate and mature politician but I guess he will be swept aside to facilitate Putin's return to office.

[Edited 2011-08-14 06:44:46]

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
I hear that in Eurasia, advertisements for Dos Equis have Vladimir Putin in them.

Later that day it was reported by Moscow media outlets that Putin bested Kim Jung Il's golf record and shot a 43 under par – including 6 holes in one.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting ual777 (Reply 9):
Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 7):

What position are you in to even begin telling me how "gullible" I am to have elected and voted for who I did? We vote based on our needs, just like the US of A does based on theirs.

Should I go ahead and tell start calling you gullible for your wonderful presidency runs on the other side of the pond from Russia? Sounds fantastic, maybe I should...

No, because the state-owned media does it for you!

How about a thread on the comparative merits of systems where:

1. The government owns the media - apparently Russia.

AND

2. The media owns the government - apparently the USA.

Question, who is the more accountable - Putin who does have to get a majority in some sort of election, or Murdoch who has arranged the vote beforehand so that with something like 12% of News he is guaranteed a majority?


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 3):
Putin is pretty much the Chuck Norris of Eurasia.
Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
I hear that in Eurasia, advertisements for Dos Equis have Vladimir Putin in them.
Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 12):
Later that day it was reported by Moscow media outlets that Putin bested Kim Jung Il's golf record and shot a 43 under par – including 6 holes in one.

Putin vs. Chuck Norris - that's how Rocky IV should have been!! 

asturias



Tonight we fly
User currently offlineAlex22 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 71 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 7):
Should I go ahead and tell start calling you gullible for your wonderful presidency runs on the other side of the pond from Russia? Sounds fantastic, maybe I should...

You definitely should buddy  


User currently offlinetarheelwings From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
The media owns the government - apparently the USA.

That's a pretty dissapointing comment from someone who generally appears to be level headed...care to explain that or do you usually make open ended statements with no basis for truth?


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 16):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
The media owns the government - apparently the USA.

That's a pretty dissapointing comment from someone who generally appears to be level headed...care to explain that or do you usually make open ended statements with no basis for truth?

It might be open ended, but there is a degree of truth do you not think? The media seem to be influencing political actions in the US.

You can argue that they are reflecting independent political thought. But do you really think your media were neutral and analyticial during the tax/cut spending arguments a couple of weeks back.

It looks the other way round. That was the open part of it, and invitation to you - or anyone else - to show there is "no basis for truth", I would have put it no truth in the suggestion that the media exercises control over the US government.

If you are interested, I certainly think the media in Australia, especially a small number of talkback hosts and the Murdoch press attempt to set government agendas here. If you want a quick example study this one.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Abbot...fox-a&source=hp&channel=np
STEPHEN DZIEDZIC: Tony Abbott was unambiguous when the commercial radio host Alan Jones pushed him on coal seam gas mining and farmers late last week.

ALAN JONES: See, isn't this an area where you're going to have to be tough about all this. Landowners must have the last word surely on whether anyone can enter their property.

TONY ABBOTT: Alan, there is an old saying - an Englishman's home is his castle.

ALAN JONES: Well, it’s not.

TONY ABBOTT: Well, it should be and the thing is if, if you don't want something to happen on your land, you ought to have a right to say no. Now, okay, under certain circumstances the Government ought to be able to resume your land but it has got to be done at a fair price.


A bit later, Abbott has had to back down because mineral rights are vested with the states and NOT as in the US with the landowner. So even if he wanted to change the law and he were PM, he could not. Total mess, pushed by the media. Can you really say the equivalent to this never happens in the US????????


User currently offlinetarheelwings From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
It might be open ended, but there is a degree of truth do you not think? The media seem to be influencing political actions in the US.

Is there a degree of truth to that statement, no doubt, especially when you clarify your statement when you say the media seem to be influencing political actions in the US. However; there's a long way between that and "the media owns the government", wouldn't you agree?

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
You can argue that they are reflecting independent political thought. But do you really think your media were neutral and analyticial during the tax/cut spending arguments a couple of weeks back.

Of course they weren't neutral...but nobody is arguing that. I simply took issue with what appears to me to be an inaccurate statement.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
It looks the other way round. That was the open part of it, and invitation to you - or anyone else - to show there is "no basis for truth", I would have put it no truth in the suggestion that the media exercises control over the US government.

If we're debating whether the media owns the government, I'll take issue with that every single time. If however the issue is whether the media influences political discourse, then yes, I would say there's a lot of truth to that statement....I would only caveat it with the fact that that's true for both sides of the political spectrum (and not just the right which is where I suspect you're going with this).

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
If you are interested, I certainly think the media in Australia, especially a small number of talkback hosts and the Murdoch press attempt to set government agendas here. If you want a quick example study this one.

Interesting and I'm sure there's a lot of truth in what you're saying, however, I would not presume to comment or even debate what you're saying simply because I do not live in Australia and am therefore not exposed to all the details associated with this issue.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
Can you really say the equivalent to this never happens in the US????????

Can I say this kind of thing never happens in the US, of course not.........but I still do not believe that translates into the media owning the government. At the end of the day, it is incumbent on us as the general public to minimize outside influences and educate ourselves so that we can make informed decisions. Now, is the general public as informed as they should be.........that's another story 


User currently offlinetarheelwings From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
It might be open ended, but there is a degree of truth do you not think? The media seem to be influencing political actions in the US.

Is there a degree of truth to that statement, no doubt, especially when you clarify your statement when you say the media seem to be influencing political actions in the US. However; there's a long way between that and "the media owns the government", wouldn't you agree?

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
You can argue that they are reflecting independent political thought. But do you really think your media were neutral and analyticial during the tax/cut spending arguments a couple of weeks back.

Of course they weren't neutral...but nobody is arguing that. I simply took issue with what appears to me to be an inaccurate statement.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
It looks the other way round. That was the open part of it, and invitation to you - or anyone else - to show there is "no basis for truth", I would have put it no truth in the suggestion that the media exercises control over the US government.

If we're debating whether the media owns the government, I'll take issue with that every single time. If however the issue is whether the media influences political discourse, then yes, I would say there's a lot of truth to that statement....I would only caveat it with the fact that that's true for both sides of the political spectrum (and not just the right which is where I suspect you're going with this).

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
If you are interested, I certainly think the media in Australia, especially a small number of talkback hosts and the Murdoch press attempt to set government agendas here. If you want a quick example study this one.

Interesting and I'm sure there's a lot of truth in what you're saying, however, I would not presume to comment or even debate what you're saying simply because I do not live in Australia and am therefore not exposed to all the details associated with this issue.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
Can you really say the equivalent to this never happens in the US????????

Can I say this kind of thing never happens in the US, of course not.........but I still do not believe that translates into the media owning the government. At the end of the day, it is incumbent on us as the general public to minimize outside influences and educate ourselves so that we can make informed decisions.


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

Gullible?......

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/George_W_Bush_on_the_deck_of_the_USS_Abraham_Lincoln.jpg/800px-George_W_Bush_on_the_deck_of_the_USS_Abraham_Lincoln.jpg



Priceless.....



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User currently offlineual777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1784 times:

Quoting Marcus (Reply 20):
Gullible?......
Quoting Marcus (Reply 20):
Priceless.....

To his credit, he IS actually a pilot....



It is always darkest before the sun comes up.
User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Quoting ual777 (Reply 21):
To his credit, he IS actually a pilot....

True....but that is about it, the rest was a reelection stunt plain and simple.....



Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 18):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
It might be open ended, but there is a degree of truth do you not think? The media seem to be influencing political actions in the US.

Is there a degree of truth to that statement, no doubt, especially when you clarify your statement when you say the media seem to be influencing political actions in the US. However; there's a long way between that and "the media owns the government", wouldn't you agree?

I think we both agree. There was some poetic licence in the original statement to which I replied, so not surprisingly there was similar licence in my response.

If we take the situation - but maybe keeping to one person in common - away from the US and Australia and go to the UK, we have seen a plethora of sort of apologies from MPs on both sides of their political divide hurrying to regret the extent to which they humoured Murdoch. And after seeing what Murdoch did to Kinnoch, you have to temper the blame.

The real worry as far as I can see, is that some of the media owners believe they can themselves set the political agenda. Even if it is not true (and I suspect it often IS true) that is a worry.

Crikey and other internet outlets might be excellent reading, but they just do not have the power of the traditional outlets.

It took the Murdoch owned The Australian quite a while to catch up that the Murdoch appearances before the HoC really was international news or should that be News??

Basically, I was just drawing attention to the possibility that while there are clear flaws in the Russian "democracy" our own versions are not exactly stain free.

Quoting Marcus (Reply 20):
Priceless.....

As Borat would have said, "Nice".


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6138 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
I hear that in Eurasia, advertisements for Dos Equis have Vladimir Putin in them.

Dos Equis is a pretty middle of the pack, not to say bad beer so, it wouldn´t be beyond him. Like Corona, which is more piss water than beer.

Quoting wolbo (Reply 11):
Medvedev comes across as a more level headed, moderate and mature politician but I guess he will be swept aside to facilitate Putin's return to office.

True. But he is just a figurehead. Gillotine-headed.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 14):
Putin vs. Chuck Norris - that's how Rocky IV should have been!!

Well, wasn´t Putin´s ass kicked by a Chinese or Russian girl on a stunt of aikido that went bad (for Putin) a few years ago? If I remember correclty she threw him to the ground on his back. Priceless, too. There´s your Rocky IV for you.



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25 Post contains links Pyrex : Well, at least he did not "discover" lost historic artifacts or hit six holes-in-one in his first round of golf. I think he is referring to the aweso
26 AR385 : Different advertising agencies and markets. They wouldn´t make sense here to a lot of people, plus I´m not sure how the TV rights would work. Also,
27 jcs17 : I am a right-wing libertarian. I believe in the smallest government possible, lowest taxes as possible, I don't care about social issues, but I do be
28 Post contains links slider : But a flight suit and fighter jet sure beats a POTus today who is literally peddling off his approval rating by the minute.... Such masculinity! http
29 Acheron : I'm pretty sure thats probably better than some of the retarded comments Mexican presidents tend to make, particularly Fox.
30 Severnaya : Russians don't hate the west. Happily enough the US government does the same. For example building rocket shields on the borders of Russia, totally a
31 Baroque : The real worry Severnaya is that it appears that many in the US do not seem at times to know when they complain of "easy USSR-vs.-US-esque propaganda
32 Geezer : Easily the the most accurate statement on this whole thread ! Couldn't have said it better....................................
33 Post contains links and images NWOrientDC10 : Good on You Not all of us hate you; some of Russia's haters probably have Russian DNA in them and don't even know it. i sure miss the '90's http://ww
34 Post contains links jcs17 : No. If Russia's nuclear capability is what they say it is, they could overwhelm "Star Wars" in a second. Besides, if Russia has no intention of firin
35 Severnaya : Paranoia of the US you mean by building rocket shields at our borders, thereby violating international treaties. Why? The US invaded Iraq for the oil
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