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HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening  
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

The new TGV Rhin-Rhône Line is opening after final trials and several years of construction. In the attached clip the TGV Duplex trainsets are passing at 352 km/h. The line will initially run at 320 km/h for commercial service. Journey times France-Switzerland, France Germany and Eastern France - Spain are being cut by up to 3hrs. This is one of the first LGV lines not to be Paris centered, but to be focused on regional and inter-European needs primarily. This is another great, multi-generational investment in the future of the region and will help stimulate the economy in regional centres as well as providing long term transport options to French, Germans and Swiss.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFeqZc40cGY&feature=related

Web site (French):

http://www.lgvrhinrhone.com/index.php

TGV Est passing station in Champagne close up at 320km/h as reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFh95LB3H58&feature=related

[Edited 2011-08-29 15:54:07]


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Web site in English:

http://est.lgvrhinrhone.com/english.php

Gemuser



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21528 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

If only we could get that in the Northeast Corridor....   

-Mir



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
If only we could get that in the Northeast Corridor....

-Mir

I feel the same way - at many levels. Will we end up becoming a steampunk nation?

On the bright side, the 2nd Ave Subway will be completed in 2016. Look forward to using it in my wheelchair and oxygen mask.

What we need is an Infrastructure Development Bank for the US with a separate balance sheet that can issue bonds for these projects. Interest rates are low now and a lot of jobs would be created, jump starting the economy.

Anyway, congratulations to our French friends.

p.s. I would like the Moderators to ban any discussion of High Speed Rail in other countries as it makes me feel really bad. Thank you.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 3):
What we need is an Infrastructure Development Bank for the US with a separate balance sheet that can issue bonds for these projects. Interest rates are low now and a lot of jobs would be created, jump starting the economy.

Any rail line, be that high speed or urban is a necessary infrastructure to serve the people and the economy. As are streets, canals, highways and airports. Some, not all airports earn their money including the cost of infrastructure, rail can gardly do that.

Hence, the cost of building cannot amortize, the operation of the trains can. As it was rightfully said, this is a project for many generations and the cost of building should be allocated to the railways operating only in form of a fee per axle kilometer. This will not pay for the cost of investment but it will be an overall benefit for the economy.



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User currently offlinedesertjets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 3):
Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
If only we could get that in the Northeast Corridor....

-Mir

I feel the same way - at many levels. Will we end up becoming a steampunk nation?

On the bright side, the 2nd Ave Subway will be completed in 2016. Look forward to using it in my wheelchair and oxygen mask.

What we need is an Infrastructure Development Bank for the US with a separate balance sheet that can issue bonds for these projects. Interest rates are low now and a lot of jobs would be created, jump starting the economy.

Anyway, congratulations to our French friends.

p.s. I would like the Moderators to ban any discussion of High Speed Rail in other countries as it makes me feel really bad. Thank you.

I was watching a special on Discovery Science about the development of HSR in Japan and the attempt to set a speed record on the TGV and all the technological innovations that had to occur to make HSR possible. Granted I understand that Japan and Europe are different geographically and population densities, blah blah blah....... but they chose to make sure investments 50 years ago. And it wasn't like they weren't also building highways and becoming car-centric in many ways as well. It just seems all very shortsighted, especially when we also had the technical expertise and the financial wherewithal to make it happen.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

Quoting desertjets (Reply 5):
And it wasn't like they weren't also building highways and becoming car-centric in many ways as well.

  Exactly.

Quoting desertjets (Reply 5):
It just seems all very shortsighted, especially when we also had the technical expertise and the financial wherewithal to make it happen.

Unfortunately, with the current political jam, we will have to wait for another era.


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

I've just discovered that this will be the new routing for the TGV Lyria service from Paris to Zurich which I use often. This will initially reduce the trip by 35mns with more to be shaved off in future years.

Services swtich to this line (South East from Gare de Lyon) from (Europe Est line from Gare de l'Est) with the opening of the line for comercial services on the 11th Dec 2011. From that date they will go to 6 x daily service with new First class product and dual French and Swiss train managers throughout the journey.

Quote:
2011
- Strengthening of the SNCF/CFF partnership: signature of a new 12-year agreement.
- July will see the launch of the twin train manager system: a French and a Swiss train manager will share duties for the whole journey on the ParisGeneva and ParisLausanne/Bern services.
- From December

* All TGV Lyria services will leave from Paris Gare de Lyon and will run on the South-East line.
* TGV Lyria services will call at Basel and Zurich using the new high-speed line between Genlis (to the south of Dijon) and Belfort (Rhine-Rhône line), with six daily round trips. This will reduce journey times between ParisBasel/Zurich by 33 minutes: the journey time between Paris and Basel will take approximately 3 hours, and approximately 4 hours between Paris and Zurich.
* Launch of the Lyriapremière service and twin train managers on the new ParisBasel/Zurich line.
http://www.tgv-lyria.com/main/FCK/File/site_en/footer/about_lyria.asp



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

One more interesting fact: This is currently the largest civil works project in France, is partially funded by Switzerland due to the benefits to them and is jointly seen a fine stimulus investment both in the short and very long term. We need a lot more of this sort of long term thinking to address the challenges of renewable energy, changing demographics, changing economic dynamics and shift form manufacturing to service industries if the West is to remain competitve and sustainable in the medium and long term. 2 year horizon thinking is, by definition, not strategic. Markets, by themselves, do not think strategically....


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 8):
Markets, by themselves, do not think strategically....

Quote of the week!

Very envious of those bloody things. Just the thing here as you well know, but will we get them on the E corridor Bris-Syd-Mel, not on your life!

Sort of part with Cormorin, except do not encourage them we already have a few too many untouchable subjects C!!!


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 1204 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 9):
Sort of part with Cormorin, except do not encourage them we already have a few too many untouchable subjects C!!!

Message received! Meanwhile, I am waiting for Fairy Godmother to arrive and set everything right again.


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