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Difference Between White Americans And Europeans?  
User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 397 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11092 times:
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All things equal, eliminating differences in clothes, language, and weight, are there any particular characteristics, facially, and bone structure wise that separates White Americans from White Europeans?

The US white population of course is mainly Anglo-Saxon, with elements from Scandinavia, S. Europe, and E Europe. I wonder if all that mixed together creates a white race that looks different than say whites in UK, Germany, etc., where marriage is almost always among people of the same country.

Does anyone notice any particular physical differences in bone structure, or anything else? I know for example that there is some differences between Koreans and Japanese.

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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5519 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11055 times:

Not really - it is not as if Europeans are strictly homogeneous group - or NorteAmericanos, for that matter.


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User currently offlineRadicalDudeJOM From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11047 times:

I've always thought people tend to look different based on the chemicals they put in your tap water, dairy and meat products. All those hormones have to change the way people develop.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11042 times:

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
The US white population of course is mainly Anglo-Saxon,

Actually, a bulk of us are German. Many East Europeans as well as Italians and Irish poured into America. I venture to say that only a small portion of the US is Anglo-Saxon (small=a lot smaller than many think.) Our culture is what is the closest to Britain's.

To answer your question, most white Americans are European descendants, and I doubt much evolution or hereditary differences came about from the last few hundred years (not too long in the grand scheme of things)



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User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10874 times:

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
All things equal, eliminating differences in clothes, language, and weight, are there any particular characteristics, facially, and bone structure wise that separates White Americans from White Europeans?

At first glance, I'd have said no, but coming to think of this more carefully, I think the 'average' white American may have a somewhat more pronounced yawbone than most Europeans, the reason being you guys seem to be chewing gum and other stuff all the time... Surely all that chewing must have trained those muscles and thus result in measurable differences in facial characteristics, although one may argue those are not genetic differences, but culturally defined ones as they come into being during life, rather than at birth itself.


User currently onlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1612 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10836 times:

I really cannot put my finger on it, but most of the time in Amsterdam I can pick Americans from the crowd very very easy. Granted, often this is due to clothing (bit baggy business suits where the pants are pulled up pretty high, or high-school/college sweaters, white sneakers, baseball caps, or a the All-American La Coste shirt tucked in a Levis with white sneakers, that's almost an uniform  ) but also I have a "collection" (don't know how else to describe it) of faces in my memory that when I see them I almost certainly know they are American.

BTW; I have the same with the English, Irish (duh) and also Scandinavians (they look a lot like the Dutchies, but subtle differences are enough for me most of the times). French are a bit harder, I often confuse them with Italians or vice versa. Also I find it very difficult to directly notice from which specific country an Asian or African person is (with the exception of the Somali, they have a very specific face).

Quoting slz396 (Reply 4):
I think the 'average' white American may have a somewhat more pronounced yawbone than most Europeans,

I would tend to agree. Although I don't think it's due to the gum   (but who knows!  



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10816 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 4):
Surely all that chewing must have trained those muscles and thus result in measurable differences in facial characteristics, although one may argue those are not genetic differences, but

That's an interesting point I never thought about.   But I think the most obvious item is the clothing, if they don't open their mouth. The latter however erases any possible doubt instantly. Never fails.  

We can only be glad that the Walmartians never make it outside their country.  



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User currently onlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1612 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10807 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
We can only be glad that the Walmartians never make it outside their country.



Well, I'm still fearing that the Walmartian Mothership will eventually land on the European continent, this will inevitably bring Walmartians with it. Just as a sunny spring day seems to spawn hot ladies  



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10802 times:

Europeans have been mixing their genes for millenia, even before they invaded the Americas; There is no real specific genetic makeup in any european country, even if there are regional tendencies.

Distinguishing "white" Americans from Europeans is much easier by clothing, posture, behaviour and of course by language than by genetic makeup (extreme obesity is relatively rare here, so that can be a tell together with other features, but that's not genetic either).


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10796 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 7):
Well, I'm still fearing that the Walmartian Mothership will eventually land on the European continent, this will inevitably bring Walmartians with it. Just as a sunny spring day seems to spawn hot ladies

They've already attempted an invasion in Europe, but they had to retreat again when their mind-control emitters turned out to be incompatible with european mind-control standards...   


User currently onlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1612 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10786 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
european mind-control standards

Fa Shower Gell is the expert on European Mind control, using naked boobies in their TV-ads during prime time (yes, my first encounter with naked boobies when I was young were the Fa Shower Gel commercials   ) Thank you Fa!



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10766 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 10):
Fa Shower Gell is the expert on European Mind control, using naked boobies in their TV-ads during prime time (yes, my first encounter with naked boobies when I was young were the Fa Shower Gel commercials   ) Thank you Fa!

Tells you something about diversity around here that I seem to be immune to that one.

Davidoff's "Cool Water" spots, on the other hand...! 


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10736 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
We can only be glad that the Walmartians never make it outside their country.

Thank you for proving my theory.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10724 times:

Most body and face shapes have changed dramatically with diet. The late (and great) John Ferm commented to me about the folk in Appalachia that the men all looked like Lil Abner when he first worked there in the 1950s. Once the Interstates came through, the prominent adam's apples disappeared and he took me to a diner to show me what the average Appalachian looked like now.
The illustration in the Wiki entry does not do justice to the scrawny figure usually portrayed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li%27l_Abner
This is a bit better
http://www.archive.org/details/lil_abner

Singaporeans now has a totally body and face shape to 1970.

So you are asking about moving targets.

Another issue is that each racial group is great at differences within that group and hopeless with another racial group. In 1987 I visited Beijing for a conference where there was a total of about 18 westerners. Two of us had beards. One a then youngish German had a black beard (it is white now) and mine was grey to white. Half the time I was addressed by the Chinese with his name, and half my own, and I found he had the same experience but reversed. I am still scratching my head to think what our hosts thought when they saw the two of us talking together.

My wife is Indonesian and picks differences in Indonesians that I simply cannot see and of course she has trouble with some westerners, we all look alike you know!


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2086 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10688 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):

My wife is Indonesian and picks differences in Indonesians that I simply cannot see and of course she has trouble with some westerners, we all look alike you know!

Same here, my girlfriend is Chinese and we watch both Western and Chinese movies. In the Western movies, I have to help her keep the actors apart, and in the Chinese movies, she has to help me. Of course we're both convinced that people of the other race "all look the same".  



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2724 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10677 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 5):
I really cannot put my finger on it, but most of the time in Amsterdam I can pick Americans from the crowd very very easy. Granted,

Same for me in my wandering around Orlando. I can always pick out a Brit before they open their mouths.

But as for the question posed bu the thread starter I would have to agree with some and say it is size. Weight and height may both be invloved in this. I am a European Mutt. One half Swedish, One quarter German and an eight each Irish and Boehemian. All of my ancestors stayed in their own group for marriage including most of the recent generations until the last. I have absolutely no one over 5'10" in any of my family yet I am over 6'1".. Was this chemistry of all the above or a different diet, hormones in food...etc? And then their is the obesity here. What can I say about that other thtan we are trying to export that to the world thru Mcdonalds, Burger King and KFC..




edited for typos

[Edited 2011-08-31 07:02:24]


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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5710 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10652 times:

There are definite individual "looks" to most European nations, and I reckon a lot of it comes down to language: someone above mentioned the distinctive American jawline and I agree, but I put this down to the way Americans speak: they tend to lower the jawbone when pronouncing words (I have to do this if I want to imitate an American accent), therefore using a different musculature, which is bound to affect the shape of the face over time.

And American English is very different in pronounciation to British English. Take Mrs Thatcher's accent, for example: when she used to pronounce "Falklands" she would raise her upper lip. An American would tend to pronounce it from the side of the mouth. Germans tend to use the lower facial muscles more than other nationalities, which probably accounts for the high percentage of square-jawed Deutschen. French speakers tend to use the front of the mouth when speaking, which is probably accounts for that famous Gallic pout. And so on . . . every language has its own distinctive use of facial muscles, which inevitably leads to distinct "looks".


User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10640 times:
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My Q says to take into account clothing differences. Someone mentioned that Americans have smaller noses?

So basically, pretend if they did not speak, had the same weight, same haircut, did not show their teeth, and had the same clothes. Would there be a difference?


User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10614 times:

Keep in mind that white Americans are not always "white" - I've seen statistics over the years that suggest that the average white American whose antecedents in the US go back more than 100 years is likely to be 5-10% African. And many white Americans have some Indian ancestry - I'm a quarter Cherokee, my maternal grandmother was born on-rez in Oklahoma.

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 7):
Well, I'm still fearing that the Walmartian Mothership will eventually land on the European continent, this will inevitably bring Walmartians with it.

Or the dreaded Ryanairians will begin providing service across the pond and bring a horde of Walmartians to Europe. Not sure what we Yanks would get on the other side of that exchange.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 15):
Same for me in my wandering around Orlando. I can always pick out a Brit before they open their mouths.

Or after they open their mouths but before they speak...  

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist, and this is pretty much just an outdated stereotype these days anyway, I have several English friends and know a couple of Scots as well, and they all have perfectly fine teeth. "While you were gone, Austin, there have been some fabulous advances in the field of dentistry"...)


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2724 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10598 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 17):
Would there be a difference?

I think that there is not much of a difference. We still look like Swedes, Germans, Spaniards and the rest of our ancestors if you strip everything else away. If you take a picture of me with my relatives from Germany or Sweden I doubt you could tell who the American Swede was just by the facial look.



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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10596 times:
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Most whites have No black at all. It was rare for a white woman to reproduce with a black man. Indian is more usual, but even that is overstated.

I wonder if the Native American mix gives some whites more pronounced facial
characteristics like higher cheek bones and larger chin? Look at Marlon Brando for example.

Another interesting thing is the "all American 1950s" look. But when you think
about it, it's basically a Scandinavian or German is nice
clothes and blondish hair. No difference! In fact A&F uses Scandinavian models to represent the all American
look.


User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10585 times:
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http://www.google.com/m/search?site=...&maction=&q=all+american+look#i=38

Here's a perfect example of the stereotypical
American jock white face:

http://www.google.com/m/search?site=...&maction=&q=all+american+jock#i=11

http://www.google.com/m/search?site=...&maction=&q=all+american+jock#i=34

But would You consider them as distinctly American looking, or simply a muscular than avg European?


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10576 times:

Now I would expect DocLightning to be all over this one, so where is he, haven't seen him around here in a while?

User currently onlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1612 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10576 times:

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 18):
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 7):
Well, I'm still fearing that the Walmartian Mothership will eventually land on the European continent, this will inevitably bring Walmartians with it.

Or the dreaded Ryanairians will begin providing service across the pond and bring a horde of Walmartians to Europe. Not sure what we Yanks would get on the other side of that exchange.

Haha touché  



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User currently onlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1612 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 21):
But would You consider them as distinctly American looking, or simply a muscular than avg European?

Good to know the firewall at my work didn't filter out the jock with the hard mini-jock



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25 Derico : Uff, easy. If the caucasian person cannot place anything on a map, American. If the caucasian person believes you are not worth his/her time, European
26 Bongodog1964 : Very true, take the UK as an example, until the 10th century the nation was almost exclusively populated by celts, mass immigration from Scandinavia
27 Post contains images PanHAM : Not only that, they divided Brittany / Bretagne in those who can cook and those who cannot. That was just Walmart, Walmartians are a special breed of
28 Post contains images NoUFO : Wait, Klaus did not say that something good will come of it *all* the time.
29 Post contains links YokoTsuno : This might help http://www.faceoftomorrow.com/thefaces.asp Click on the name of the city.
30 Post contains links and images Klaus : True. But a shocking fact ist also that there has been a significant germanic invasion into Britain as well. Today's britons are actually genetically
31 TSS : I've seen residents of the European continent take issue with being labeled generically as "Europeans" because Europe comprises such a wide range of e
32 Post contains links NoUFO : And vice versa, or maybe not genetically but more "behaviorally": http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...non_aviation/print.main?id=1142308
33 MD11Engineer : They tried, but failed completely. I was in the Walmart shop in CGN, they had to hire cleaners to keep the place clean all the time, as Germans would
34 windy95 : You forgot the pasty white skin with the sundurn lines on it.
35 iakobos : Just for the record... What Klaus omits to say is that (proto-) "Germanic" does not relate per se to present day Germany and modern-day Germans. From
36 Doona : I'm sorry, did someone say something? Cheers Mats
37 Post contains images Confuscius : Being a non-caucasian, you guys all look alike to us.
38 Post contains images Klaus : And almost true..! (The last sentence is actually completely true!) Of course not, but still close enough for a good ribbing!
39 Post contains images RobertNL070 : It's all in the teeth
40 Post contains images shamrock604 : Wow! Bitter and Judgemental much? Us "Europeans" are a collection of several nationalities, and I can tell you that rudeness and uncaring is NOT part
41 falstaff : I used to teach in a nearly all black high school, in Detroit. A lot of students couldn't remember my name and called me by the names of other white
42 Klaus : Oh, come on! This old, certified piece of bunk again? This has been examined and found to be a silly extrapolation of assumed dynamics which just don
43 Derico : Hey, just keeping it real. With a good dose of generalization. Which is a really good segway to this: A large number of Europeans and North Americans
44 Post contains images HELyes : In summer Helsinki gets a lot of American day tourists from the cruise ships and they seem to get disorientated easily. Once I was stopped by an elde
45 Post contains links Baroque : Probably true both at its worst and best but not its Würste. However are you familiar with Pie in the Sky? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_in_the_S
46 zhiao : I am so sorry, but that wasn't my intent! I have no idea how that happened. How can I edit that? I just posted 2 face pics, and now I realize that it
47 zhiao : So that would mean that most American whites are actually Germanic, if we now include the English colonial stock. Of course, "Germanics" were an Indo
48 zhiao : Not true. It is growing.
49 Post contains links zhiao : I think this is a good test. I am posting 4 White Europeans and 4 white Americans (with their permission of course). Tell me if you can identify who b
50 TSS : Since you brought the subject up, I'll tell a relevant story: A few years ago a Finnish friend of mine posted a series of pics of a trip he, his girl
51 Braybuddy : I'll go for: 1 A, 2 A, 3 E, 4 E, 5 A, 6 E, 7 A, 8 A
52 Post contains links and images HELyes : Yes Finland probably is the most blond of all nations, according to this blonde map of Europe: http://bigthink.com/ideas/21266 Of course immigration
53 Post contains images Doona : Hold the phone, there's immigration in Finland? Cheers Mats
54 Post contains images HELyes : Heh, there is actually, of course a lot less than in Sweden. The majority comes from Russia, Estonia and Somalia so that changes the blond map a litt
55 Post contains images Klaus : Ouch! By name only, but it looks interesting. How could I ever? I'll actually have some in a bit. Hmmm...! In some way, and at least in some part; If
56 Zkpilot : I find it funny when non-white races say that white people all look the same... Of all the races in the world, white people have the most distinguishi
57 ALTF4 : He got banned for a while. Lulz. Anyway, I can pick a french person out from a mile away. Same with an eastern European, although seems to be only Bu
58 Post contains images luckyone : The round face and a scowl gives them away every time.
59 Post contains images YokoTsuno : Translucent Caucasians.Yep one can learn a thing or two on Airliners.net. You really set me thinking if we ever had one of these in our office. Frequ
60 iakobos : The US Census Bureau data of 2009 shows in the chapter Ancestry (estimates) German 16.5% Irish 12.0% English 9.0% Italian 5.9% Polish 3.3% French 3.1
61 Zkpilot : I'm not kidding! Some people have this semi transparent, kinda purple tinged skin, you can see like all the veins and that underneath (not just the b
62 iakobos : Most relate to John Carpenter and in some circles are called zombies.
63 Baroque : That was one of the best Yes Minister episodes about the threat to declare British sausages as offal bags due to a lack of meat. Apparently not reall
64 Post contains images MD11Engineer : We had a very dark skinned (and very nice, very pretty and very cheeky in a friendly sort of way ) female F/A, who´s name pointed to somewhere in th
65 gigneil : Saxony is in Germany, and all of Germanic Europe was once part of Saxony. So, Anglo-Saxons == Germanic. NS
66 zhiao : @Braybuddy, Thanks! But b4 I say the results, can anyone else try to guess?
67 Post contains images BAViscount : Where do you live, Roswell??!!
68 Speedbird741 : Ok, let my try. 1 - E / 5 - A 2 - E / 6 - E 3 - A / 7 - A 4 - A / 8 - E Speedbird741
69 Braybuddy : You can run it for a few days and then reveal all, but meanwhile give us an idea of how many we got right/wrong. You can give numbers without spoling
70 zhiao : Sure, you had less than half right.
71 Speedbird741 : And me, kind sir? Speedbird741
72 mham001 : But that is irrefutably impossible. Klaus said so.
73 Gyreaux130J : This may be OT, but how have white Aussies not been thrown into this picture somewhere?
74 racko : US: 2, 3, 6, 8 Europe: 1, 4, 5, 7
75 Bongodog1964 : Emulsified offal tubes, if my memory serves me correctly
76 Baroque : Ah yes, thank you, accuracy in all things, should have looked it up. Has a better structure to it - but still not much meat, plenty of ear, lips and
77 zhiao : Nobody is right yet. Keep going!
78 AirPacific747 : 2, 3, 5, 8 are Americans, the rest Europeans?
79 aero145 : I, as well, think this is a good test. I went through the images more than four times and still cannot decide on what I should answer. So I will not
80 Post contains images zhiao : ^take a guess Nobody has it right
81 zhiao : By the looks of the results, its pretty clear that there's no difference. The face muscle stuff is BS
82 blrsea : 2,5,6,8 American 1,3,4,7 European
83 474218 : The biggest difference between Americans and Europeans (of any race) is that Americans know how to take a joke. Europeans just don't have a sense of h
84 zhiao : @barsea, you have the worst grade so far. Can I get some Americans to guess?
85 TSS : 1, 2, 3, 5 European 4, 6, 7, 8 American
86 Post contains images Klaus : Maybe you're just not funny and the people around you at home just haven't had the heart to tell you yet...! (That kind of thing works in either dire
87 474218 : It isn't the people around me at home, it was the people I worked with when I worked in Europe. So, thank you for making my point!
88 Post contains images Klaus : Again: The people around you at home say you're funny, the people you worked with in Europe don't think you are. Exactly my point!
89 mham001 : Your stridency in that reply leads the casual reader to wonder that there is a middle ground. The quote you were responding to said that there would
90 Post contains links zhiao : Okay guys, thanks for the guesses. Most people were way off, despite the already 50% chance. Person 1: AMERICAN (of N Euro descent) most got this wron
91 474218 : Nothing worked for me "ACCESS DENIED"?
92 Speedbird741 : Number 5 was the most misleading in my opinion. Speedbird741
93 zhiao : ^It just goes to show that the true difference is cultural and not inheritly physical.
94 Klaus : Are you for real? You're actually comparing immigrants in Europe with european colonial forces who overran foreign cultures and established their rul
95 FlyboyOz : It's hard to tell where they are from cos I got few rights! I have seen lots of people around Sydney cos I met them every week. I know most foreign pe
96 Speedbird741 : As clever as this test may be, I don't think you can reach such conclusion. I am not commenting on whether or not I believe in your conclusion, as I
97 n229nw : Ryanairians, didn't Hitler think they were the master race? Certainly one or two rungs up from Walmartians!
98 FoxTwo : Oh , I know I know ..................... ! Weight !
99 Post contains images shamrock604 : Hmmmmm... You obviously have not had the pleasure of being on a Ryanair flight from Dublin to Ibiza....
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