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Apple Loses Another IPhone Prototype.  
User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7128 posts, RR: 87
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

This is why Steve Jobs quit his job. How many more times are they going to allow incompetent pimple faced engineers to take a prototype out to a bar and lose the phone. I hope Samsung crushes Apple with their new Galaxy S II.   


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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

If true, this just seems like too much of a coincidence and prefect timing, IMO.

User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3816 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

I was going to ask if Apple was going to send their storm-troopers in, but it is too late, seems like they already have.

The funny thing is that they searched a man's home based on geo-referencing data that Apple collected saying the phone was there - the same geo-referencing data that Apple was keeping track of in every single iPhone but still denies it collects and analyzes.



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

History is bound to repeat itself, apparently.

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
I hope Samsung crushes Apple with their new Galaxy S II.

I've been rockin a Galaxy SII phone for the past month now, and I love it. No complaints (yet).

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26506 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Samsung have come along way and that applies to a lot of their products ( Smart TVs etc... ) . Having used all of the Galaxy's including the new one I have to say they work well. I still wouldn't swap my iPhone for one though but its a good second place. They have not been without their issues though. They have a habit of disconnecting themselves from the mobile data and MMS functions. You have to go into ''Restore to default'' and tick ''Use packet data'' to reactivate it. This can be a pain for people who are not into their gadgets. Apparantly there is no way to stop it doing that either unless Samsung have just recently rolled out a software upgrade.

Im looking forward to the new iPhone though and will be interesting to see its onboard improvements. Not sure if I will buy yet depends on whats new that will benefit me.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Apple Loses Another IPhone Prototype.

Cue scene from Red October:

[mock-compassionate voice] You lost another one? [/mock-compassionate voice]

  

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 2):
The funny thing is that they searched a man's home based on geo-referencing data that Apple collected saying the phone was there - the same geo-referencing data that Apple was keeping track of in every single iPhone but still denies it collects and analyzes.

Utter rubbish. The recent storm in a thimble about location data was about data which were cached on the device itself and were never transmitted to anyone.

Apple apparently just used the standard Find My iPhone feature which allows any owner of an iPhone to find his own device after having it lost or stolen, if he's enabled the feature before.

There are already multiple reports of ordinary users who retrieved their devices even from thieves by locating it that way.


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2507 times:

Yeah sure, they always lose their prototypes.  

It's a viral scam – just to produce new wet dreams for their sectarians. 



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2378 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 1):
If true, this just seems like too much of a coincidence and prefect timing, IMO.

That's just what I was thinking. Dumb like a fox move.



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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Yaaaaaaaaawn, this marketing gag is getting boring. I could believe that the first one was really an accident, but twice within a year or two? C'mon   .


WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
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How is the second article relevant to the first?


And why do you hope that Samsung's product crushes Apple?

For all the accusations of fanboyism, it never ceases to amaze me just how much the people who cry "fanboy!" are actually the ones most under Apple's control. Do you get that worked up over other corporate competition?



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/09/lost_iphone_5_apple.php

iPolice.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Seems like Apple is slowly losing the leading role, so instead they start suing their competitors and start making up new ways of getting free publicity. How about concentrating on making superior products instead?

I hope Google can give Apple a real lesson with all the Motorola patents they just get access to, and hopefully this patent war that Apple started will end again soon, so we can let the market forces once again decide which products are the best.


User currently offlineRGElectra80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Come on, guys, let's not get hoodwinked by the Apple hype machine again. I love my MacBook and iPhone as much as the next Apple fanboy but these stunts will get old real soon.


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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 10):
iPolice.

If this guy's story is indeed true I'd make sure I had a lawyer. Anyone showing up at your house and pretending to be the police should get jail time.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 13):
If this guy's story is indeed true I'd make sure I had a lawyer. Anyone showing up at your house and pretending to be the police should get jail time.

That claim is apparently false, according to newer reports. The actual police was indeed involved and nobody misrepresented themselves.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2028 times:
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If what I am reading contains a smattering of truth there are SFPD officers and Apple employees.. perhaps even executives(is this why Steve quit?) that should be in prison.. at least be awaiting trial.

What sort of 2 bit , lynch mob justice system allows officers to

Quote:
"They just assisted Apple to the address."

and stand outside while those civilians conduct an illegal search and (potential) seizure operation.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
The actual police was indeed involved and nobody misrepresented themselves.


Not what I am reading but then the way I am reading it implies some criticism of the infallible deity APPLE



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2027 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 15):
Not what I am reading but then the way I am reading it implies some criticism of the infallible deity APPLE

Your snide and personally aggressive tone was entirely unprovoked.

All that seething resentment of a mere electronics manufacturer is really getting out of hand.


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2014 times:

They fucking searched a home, impersonating police officers (if this was in the presence of actual police officers it's even worse), threatened a man and they're gonna get away with it.

I think it's frightening. Both the way Apple's security behaves, and the apparent willingness of institutions to help them.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2013 times:
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Klaus,

Your perception of a snide and personally aggressive tone may perhaps be your reaction to my opinion that your, by my understanding of the events thus far, impression that Apple have done no wrong.

It appears to me that Apple, or their agents (and perhaps SFPD officers) have at least stretched the bounds of appropriate action if not acted illegally.

You are likely reading the same material I am yet you are convinced as always that what ever action Apple takes is correct and appropriate.

They are a "mere electronics manufacturer" yet over the years you more than anyone have tried to use this platfom to elevate them to almost mystical status.

I am no Apple hater, they make some excellent products, well designed , well made and perform well.
I just don't buy the " Jobs way or No Way " mentality.

[Edited 2011-09-03 05:52:39]


If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 18):
Your perception of a snide and personally aggressive tone may perhaps be your reaction to my opinion that your, by my understanding of the events thus far, impression that Apple have done no wrong.

The tone of your post was completely over the top and in no way warranted considering what I actually posted above.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 18):
You are likely reading the same material I am yet you are convinced as always that what ever action Apple takes is correct and appropriate.

I simply reserve final judgment until the state of information approaches some kind of reliability, while everybody else in here is all falling over themselves to immediately assume the absolute worst as incontrovertible fact even without any solid evidence.

The facts of the matter seem to be a little less simple than the first overhyped reports suggest:
Lost iPhone 5 Update: Police 'Assisted' Apple Investigators in Search of SF Man's Home - San Francisco News - The Snitch

According to this report the private investigators accompanied by police officers did not represent themselves as police. And whether the search as such met legal requirements or not remains to be seen as it depends on what exactly was said and done by whom at the time.

It is not even clear whether the private investigators were actually Apple employees or hired externally.

A few more facts would be much more helpful than all the premature outrage at the mere mentioning of the word "Apple".

Quoting stealthz (Reply 18):
They are a "mere electronics manufacturer" yet over the years you more than anyone have tried to use this platfom to elevate them to almost mystical status.

I have never done such a thing. I know that some people around here are trying to beat anyone over the head with that bizarre meme, but it is simply not true.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 18):
I am no Apple hater, they make some excellent products, well designed , well made and perform well.
I just don't buy the " Jobs way or No Way " mentality.

And who does that? (Link and quote, please.)


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7128 posts, RR: 87
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Apple Investigators searched the home of the man in question with assistance from the local PD. I hope he already sold it to Gizmodo.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/...e.5.prototype/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 20):
Apple Investigators

WTH are "Apple Investigators?!" Didn't know such a thing existed! Anyway..do police officers generally accompany corporate security personnel to search private homes? According to this SF Weekly article the cops were plain clothed and "just stood around" while the Apple guys threatened the people inside the house and even questioned their immigration status and apparently all of them ID'd themselves as SFPD officers. Absolutely ridiculous.

This is pure PR BS nonsense. Why didn't Apple ask the FBI to come down? Those so called "Apple Investigators" should not have been allowed to rummage through somebody's home in search for an alleged "lost item" by the SFPD. And has any reporter seen the police report that was filed by Apple? No. How about the radio call? Where's the report?

And when did using the police as a tool for coercion by a private entity become legal? Or is it all ok because it is "Apple" and they're just "awesome and can't do anything wrong?"  

Reading some of the articles..its clear that any clues were sure as heck weren't in the computer that Apple searched, or the car or the home.
And if the signal was tracked using an IP address.. how did Apple get the ISP to deliver the IP address information, without a court order? This in itself is highly illegal.

Apple is not above the law. Time to make some "Fried Apples."



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 20):
Apple Investigators searched the home of the man in question with assistance from the local PD. I hope he already sold it to Gizmodo.

I see.

What you're implying is that "the man in question" is actually a thief and that you hope the thief will sell the stolen item.

Not liking a particular manufacturer is a valid choice, but cheering for a criminal (by your implication) still raises questions of its own.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21):
WTH are "Apple Investigators?!" Didn't know such a thing existed!

Could have been Apple security personnel or externally hired investigators. What's so difficult to understand there?

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21):
Anyway..do police officers generally accompany corporate security personnel to search private homes? According to this SF Weekly article the cops were plain clothed and "just stood around" while the Apple guys threatened the people inside the house

Per the statement by the person who may be a thief and would thus have his own agenda, which you're completely ignoring here.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21):
and even questioned their immigration status and apparently all of them ID'd themselves as SFPD officers.

Well, at least as reported by the article I've linked to above, even the man in question admitted that the two investigators did not claim to be police.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21):
This is pure PR BS nonsense.

...or at least highly premature judgment on the basis of severely lacking evidence.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21):
And has any reporter seen the police report that was filed by Apple? No. How about the radio call? Where's the report?

These questions will obviously have to be addressed.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21):
And if the signal was tracked using an IP address.. how did Apple get the ISP to deliver the IP address information, without a court order? This in itself is highly illegal.

Unlikely. Every iOS device can be queried for its (GPS and/or WiFi) location by its owner (in this case Apple themselves) over the internet using the Find my iPhone function as I've explained above. It is highly likely that they used this function to pinpoint the location at the suspect's house.

The fact that it had been moved from the bar where it was last in the possession of its rightful user indicates that it wasn't just "found" but actually stolen (finding an item and not attempting to return it amounts to theft just as well as pilfering it directly).

When they arrived there, the device apparently had been silenced already by pulling its SIM card; They would have been able to re-query its location and to get it to ring audibly even if the silencer switch was engaged (also part of Find my iPhone) if it was still online, which it wasn't any more at that point, one has to presume.

If it had still been online, they would almost certainly have located it.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21):
Apple is not above the law.

No, of course not.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21):
Time to make some "Fried Apples."

See "premature judgment" above.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11128 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

*yawn* Been there, done that.... Just trying to create hype for the iPhone 5.0. It is a phone for Pete's sake! Not the wheel! How many phones these days can go online, play music and so forth? Why is this a big deal?


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
*yawn* Been there, done that.... Just trying to create hype for the iPhone 5.0. It is a phone for Pete's sake! Not the wheel! How many phones these days can go online, play music and so forth? Why is this a big deal?

That is almost certainly no planted publicity stunt, since it generates far more harm than potential benefit for Apple.

There's hardly any way the actual launch of the new iPhone will be missed by anyone anyway – but as this thread perfectly demonstrates again, Apple hunting for their stolen prototype (again!) feeds directly into some people's negative preconceived notions about Apple.

Any PR person who'd actually propose such a PR stunt would most likely be fired on the spot (and that might still be the least painful possibility).


25 canoecarrier : The questions I'd like answered: 1) were the "Apple investigators" armed? 2) what would have happened if the home owner tried to protect himself? 3)
26 Springbok747 : Still haven't answered my question Klaus.. The fact remains that Apple, with the SFPD did not have a court order to walk into this guy's home and rum
27 Klaus : I didn't. fxramper did: And that statement is somewhat troubling, to put it mildly. Where have I said such a thing? we don't actually know what the c
28 seb146 : There are field tests and no doubt they are done. I have no problem with that and am grateful companies do this. However, to take a prototype to a ba
29 Springbok747 : This one: Exactly. And the fact that the guy let them into the house doesn't count...the simple truth is..these guys showed up at this person's house
30 Post contains images Klaus : A bar poses its own challenges for a mobile phone, both regarding audio quality and RF signal quality (RF noise rejection, bandwidth management, RF d
31 ltbewr : The loss of these prototypes can cost Apple maybe $100's of millions if they end up in the hands of competitors, so losing them is very serious busin
32 Klaus : Quite plausibly, but in this case it wasn't the home of the Apple employee but the home of another unrelated man in whose home the iPhone had reporte
33 seb146 : I can not tell the difference between the iPhone 2 and the iPhone 4. To many pickpockets, an iPhone is an iPhone. *IF* it were stolen, the theif most
34 okie : It is your misconception that the person's residence involved here was bound by such an agreement and is protected by the 4th Amendment for illegal s
35 Post contains images Klaus : Of course. It being a prototype may just have racked up the price enormously. And practically all of it damaging to Apple. That theory just doesn't f
36 okie : I give up what do you call it when Apple does not even file a police report of missing phone and then Apple investigators show up to search your home
37 aloges : Don't you people ever get bored?
38 Klaus : Lots of premature judgment on the basis of conjecture laced with entrenched prejudices instead of actual information, even taking the claims of a sus
39 aerorobnz : It makes no difference if multi-billion dollar apple can't look after their possessions or not, they can just make another one. Sure charge the guy wi
40 Klaus : The cost of the prototype itself is negligible for Apple. The damage of having it in competitors' or media hands before the official launch can be ve
41 okie : Well a few things we do know now The Cava 22 tequila bar is the place to go if you are looking for the latest technology phone to either be left behin
42 aerorobnz : that is not anyone else's fault except apple's. They should have kept a closer eye on their belongings. the world is full of thieves and they've alre
43 Post contains images Klaus : Well, that's the general view the thieves tend to have...! Possibly, in the details. But field tests will still remain necessary for a mobile phone.
44 bill142 : Maybe Apple should put a HP and WebOS sticker on the back of the prototypes in future, because nobody would want that!
45 Post contains images Acheron : That won't be necesary, without Steve, just wait a couple of years until Apple is run to the ground again and people realize iPhones are nothing exce
46 D L X : Klaus, do you find it troubling that Apple personnel appeared at this man's home flanked by San Francisco police officers and searched his house?
47 Klaus : Not if they had direct evidence for the stolen device being at the place (such as a location query providing those GPS coordinates), if they did not
48 mham001 : Noted. Notice what he did not say? That they identified themselves as Apple employees. Hype. It's soon released and then all they have to do then is
49 Klaus : The suspect did indeed not say that, according to the report. So? Still too little reliable information to actually reconstruct the events with any r
50 D L X : having the police with you is undue coercion. I have absolutely no problem with Apple asking the authorities to search a person's house for a stolen
51 stealthz : I think part of the problem with Apple is they hold an industry position they are not entirely comfortable with. For most of their history, Apple have
52 Post contains links stealthz : Back to the story.. This commentary piece from eWeek makes for interesting reading... http://labs.eweek.com/archives/apple...-questions?kc=EWKLABNL090
53 Post contains links mham001 : Actually, the victim does say exactly that. Calderon told SF Weekly that six people, all wearing badges, visited his home in July, and none said they
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