fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7414 posts, RR: 81 Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2840 times:
This is why Steve Jobs quit his job. How many more times are they going to allow incompetent pimple faced engineers to take a prototype out to a bar and lose the phone. I hope Samsung crushes Apple with their new Galaxy S II.
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4205 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2784 times:
I was going to ask if Apple was going to send their storm-troopers in, but it is too late, seems like they already have.
The funny thing is that they searched a man's home based on geo-referencing data that Apple collected saying the phone was there - the same geo-referencing data that Apple was keeping track of in every single iPhone but still denies it collects and analyzes.
Read this very carefully, I shall write this only once!
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27866 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
Samsung have come along way and that applies to a lot of their products ( Smart TVs etc... ) . Having used all of the Galaxy's including the new one I have to say they work well. I still wouldn't swap my iPhone for one though but its a good second place. They have not been without their issues though. They have a habit of disconnecting themselves from the mobile data and MMS functions. You have to go into ''Restore to default'' and tick ''Use packet data'' to reactivate it. This can be a pain for people who are not into their gadgets. Apparantly there is no way to stop it doing that either unless Samsung have just recently rolled out a software upgrade.
Im looking forward to the new iPhone though and will be interesting to see its onboard improvements. Not sure if I will buy yet depends on whats new that will benefit me.
[mock-compassionate voice] You lost another one? [/mock-compassionate voice]
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 2): The funny thing is that they searched a man's home based on geo-referencing data that Apple collected saying the phone was there - the same geo-referencing data that Apple was keeping track of in every single iPhone but still denies it collects and analyzes.
Utter rubbish. The recent storm in a thimble about location data was about data which were cached on the device itself and were never transmitted to anyone.
Apple apparently just used the standard Find My iPhone feature which allows any owner of an iPhone to find his own device after having it lost or stolen, if he's enabled the feature before.
There are already multiple reports of ordinary users who retrieved their devices even from thieves by locating it that way.
And why do you hope that Samsung's product crushes Apple?
For all the accusations of fanboyism, it never ceases to amaze me just how much the people who cry "fanboy!" are actually the ones most under Apple's control. Do you get that worked up over other corporate competition?
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AirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2602 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2228 times:
Seems like Apple is slowly losing the leading role, so instead they start suing their competitors and start making up new ways of getting free publicity. How about concentrating on making superior products instead?
I hope Google can give Apple a real lesson with all the Motorola patents they just get access to, and hopefully this patent war that Apple started will end again soon, so we can let the market forces once again decide which products are the best.
stealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5814 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2098 times:
If what I am reading contains a smattering of truth there are SFPD officers and Apple employees.. perhaps even executives(is this why Steve quit?) that should be in prison.. at least be awaiting trial.
What sort of 2 bit , lynch mob justice system allows officers to
Quote: "They just assisted Apple to the address."
and stand outside while those civilians conduct an illegal search and (potential) seizure operation.
Quoting Klaus (Reply 14): The actual police was indeed involved and nobody misrepresented themselves.
Not what I am reading but then the way I am reading it implies some criticism of the infallible deity APPLE
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21583 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2059 times:
Quoting stealthz (Reply 18): Your perception of a snide and personally aggressive tone may perhaps be your reaction to my opinion that your, by my understanding of the events thus far, impression that Apple have done no wrong.
The tone of your post was completely over the top and in no way warranted considering what I actually posted above.
Quoting stealthz (Reply 18): You are likely reading the same material I am yet you are convinced as always that what ever action Apple takes is correct and appropriate.
I simply reserve final judgment until the state of information approaches some kind of reliability, while everybody else in here is all falling over themselves to immediately assume the absolute worst as incontrovertible fact even without any solid evidence.
According to this report the private investigators accompanied by police officers did not represent themselves as police. And whether the search as such met legal requirements or not remains to be seen as it depends on what exactly was said and done by whom at the time.
It is not even clear whether the private investigators were actually Apple employees or hired externally.
A few more facts would be much more helpful than all the premature outrage at the mere mentioning of the word "Apple".
Quoting stealthz (Reply 18): They are a "mere electronics manufacturer" yet over the years you more than anyone have tried to use this platfom to elevate them to almost mystical status.
I have never done such a thing. I know that some people around here are trying to beat anyone over the head with that bizarre meme, but it is simply not true.
Quoting stealthz (Reply 18): I am no Apple hater, they make some excellent products, well designed , well made and perform well.
I just don't buy the " Jobs way or No Way " mentality.
WTH are "Apple Investigators?!" Didn't know such a thing existed! Anyway..do police officers generally accompany corporate security personnel to search private homes? According to this SF Weekly article the cops were plain clothed and "just stood around" while the Apple guys threatened the people inside the house and even questioned their immigration status and apparently all of them ID'd themselves as SFPD officers. Absolutely ridiculous.
This is pure PR BS nonsense. Why didn't Apple ask the FBI to come down? Those so called "Apple Investigators" should not have been allowed to rummage through somebody's home in search for an alleged "lost item" by the SFPD. And has any reporter seen the police report that was filed by Apple? No. How about the radio call? Where's the report?
And when did using the police as a tool for coercion by a private entity become legal? Or is it all ok because it is "Apple" and they're just "awesome and can't do anything wrong?"
Reading some of the articles..its clear that any clues were sure as heck weren't in the computer that Apple searched, or the car or the home.
And if the signal was tracked using an IP address.. how did Apple get the ISP to deliver the IP address information, without a court order? This in itself is highly illegal.
Apple is not above the law. Time to make some "Fried Apples."
Could have been Apple security personnel or externally hired investigators. What's so difficult to understand there?
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21): Anyway..do police officers generally accompany corporate security personnel to search private homes? According to this SF Weekly article the cops were plain clothed and "just stood around" while the Apple guys threatened the people inside the house
Per the statement by the person who may be a thief and would thus have his own agenda, which you're completely ignoring here.
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21): and even questioned their immigration status and apparently all of them ID'd themselves as SFPD officers.
Well, at least as reported by the article I've linked to above, even the man in question admitted that the two investigators did not claim to be police.
...or at least highly premature judgment on the basis of severely lacking evidence.
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21): And has any reporter seen the police report that was filed by Apple? No. How about the radio call? Where's the report?
These questions will obviously have to be addressed.
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 21): And if the signal was tracked using an IP address.. how did Apple get the ISP to deliver the IP address information, without a court order? This in itself is highly illegal.
Unlikely. Every iOS device can be queried for its (GPS and/or WiFi) location by its owner (in this case Apple themselves) over the internet using the Find my iPhone function as I've explained above. It is highly likely that they used this function to pinpoint the location at the suspect's house.
The fact that it had been moved from the bar where it was last in the possession of its rightful user indicates that it wasn't just "found" but actually stolen (finding an item and not attempting to return it amounts to theft just as well as pilfering it directly).
When they arrived there, the device apparently had been silenced already by pulling its SIM card; They would have been able to re-query its location and to get it to ring audibly even if the silencer switch was engaged (also part of Find my iPhone) if it was still online, which it wasn't any more at that point, one has to presume.
If it had still been online, they would almost certainly have located it.
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 12249 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1961 times:
*yawn* Been there, done that.... Just trying to create hype for the iPhone 5.0. It is a phone for Pete's sake! Not the wheel! How many phones these days can go online, play music and so forth? Why is this a big deal?
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21583 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1959 times:
Quoting seb146 (Reply 23): *yawn* Been there, done that.... Just trying to create hype for the iPhone 5.0. It is a phone for Pete's sake! Not the wheel! How many phones these days can go online, play music and so forth? Why is this a big deal?
That is almost certainly no planted publicity stunt, since it generates far more harm than potential benefit for Apple.
There's hardly any way the actual launch of the new iPhone will be missed by anyone anyway â but as this thread perfectly demonstrates again, Apple hunting for their stolen prototype (again!) feeds directly into some people's negative preconceived notions about Apple.
Any PR person who'd actually propose such a PR stunt would most likely be fired on the spot (and that might still be the least painful possibility).
: The questions I'd like answered: 1) were the "Apple investigators" armed? 2) what would have happened if the home owner tried to protect himself? 3)
: Still haven't answered my question Klaus.. The fact remains that Apple, with the SFPD did not have a court order to walk into this guy's home and rum
: I didn't. fxramper did: And that statement is somewhat troubling, to put it mildly. Where have I said such a thing? we don't actually know what the c
: There are field tests and no doubt they are done. I have no problem with that and am grateful companies do this. However, to take a prototype to a ba
: This one: Exactly. And the fact that the guy let them into the house doesn't count...the simple truth is..these guys showed up at this person's house
: A bar poses its own challenges for a mobile phone, both regarding audio quality and RF signal quality (RF noise rejection, bandwidth management, RF d
: The loss of these prototypes can cost Apple maybe $100's of millions if they end up in the hands of competitors, so losing them is very serious busin
: Quite plausibly, but in this case it wasn't the home of the Apple employee but the home of another unrelated man in whose home the iPhone had reporte
: I can not tell the difference between the iPhone 2 and the iPhone 4. To many pickpockets, an iPhone is an iPhone. *IF* it were stolen, the theif most
: It is your misconception that the person's residence involved here was bound by such an agreement and is protected by the 4th Amendment for illegal s
: Of course. It being a prototype may just have racked up the price enormously. And practically all of it damaging to Apple. That theory just doesn't f
: I give up what do you call it when Apple does not even file a police report of missing phone and then Apple investigators show up to search your home