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NPR Story: Under Suspicion At The Mall Of America  
User currently offlinepnqiad From India, joined May 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Heard it on NPR today - a story about increasing erosion about freedom and liberty in the US:

Under Suspicion At The Mall Of America

DHS was created in a Republican administration and same policies enforced with a vengeance by the current administration. Unfortunately, not many politicians - R or D believe in what Benjamin Franklin once said: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Janet Napolitano should be declared a paranoid schizophrenic and sent off to a mental hospital for a very long time.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11659 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting PROSA (Reply 1):
Janet Napolitano should be declared a paranoid schizophrenic and sent off to a mental hospital for a very long time.

Right. Because it was Napolitano who thought up the idea of expanding government with DHS and Napolitano who endorsed warrentless wire tapping and Napolitano who decided it is okay to detain brown skinned people. Right. All Napolitano....



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User currently onlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1971 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Wow. I really would likely not be very cooperative if mall security tried to detain me for... nothing.

User currently offlineaa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

I saw this tonight. It is almost laughable. Can you imagine interrogating an old man because he left his cell phone on the table at the food court? Or writing a ten plus page report about it? You would think at some point the absurdity of it all would don on the security guard.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 2):
Right. Because it was Napolitano who thought up the idea of expanding government with DHS and Napolitano who endorsed warrentless wire tapping and Napolitano who decided it is okay to detain brown skinned people. Right. All Napolitano....

What's your point? Obama's administration has been in place for two and a half years. Is he not responsible for the actions of DHS at this point?


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
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Quoting aa757first (Reply 4):
Obama's administration has been in place for two and a half years. Is he not responsible for the actions of DHS at this point?

He certainly should be and from what I hear and read little has been done to wind back the paranoia driven limitations on people rights and liberties but the two instances discussed in that article, likely the two more extreme cases happened under the previous administration, 2008 & 2007 respectively.
Did NPR find any new news to report?



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

Quoting aa757first (Reply 4):
Can you imagine interrogating an old man because he left his cell phone on the table at the food court?

Well, you know, that's the sort of thing terrorists do. I mean, we all know cellphones can be used to remotely set off bombs, and so a terrorist could just leave his cellphone lying around, walk away, and then detonate a bomb somewhere with...oh wait....

http://www.roflcorner.com/wp-content/gallery/facepalm/FacePalm%20%282%29.jpg

Why does it seem like so many of our front-line anti-terror measures approach the problem from the assumption that the terrorists are complete and utter morons?

-Mir

[Edited 2011-09-07 23:49:27]


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Why does it seem like so many of our front-line anti-measures approach the problem from the assumption that the terrorists are complete and utter morons?

Thanks Mir for giving me a smile in the midst of an unutterably badly delivered lecture. I guess Janet or the Military would be after me for suspicious a.netting were I in the USA, but I don't think her malevolent and retrospective reign extends to Portugal. Even if it does, Porto is under fog this bright autumn morning.

Back to illegible overheads!


User currently offlinepnqiad From India, joined May 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

Quoting aa757first (Reply 4):
You would think at some point the absurdity of it all would don on the security guard.

There's probably a reason these characters end up as security guards...... 

Until politicians start facing this type of harassment on a day to day basis - they would never realize what a security theater all this non-sense is - and how utterly useless.....


User currently offlineSYDBWI From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

I heard this on morning edition, absolutely nuts! Why does a Mall need its own counter-terrorism department?? Aboslutely ludicrous.


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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

One thing this NPR article doens't mention is that there is also a VERY high number of Somalis in MSP and around the MOA area. Perhaps there is some underlying reason for having heightened (although it shouldn't be so transparent) surveillance.

But yeah, this is on the surface too much.

I've said it time and time again--the one thing I'm an avowed liberal about is the 4th amendment. If I'm in a public place, and I can use a camera (ie: airport plane spotters especially) then it's my right and tough shit as to why I'm doing it, what my hobbies are and anyoen who wants to ask me what I'm doind and why can be happy with any answer I give them.

The problem is that then they get you on disorderly conduct--which is also a VERY abused power. So either way, the jack-booted fascists will waste your time and piss you off. Lose-lose.


User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1227 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

The only thing I can say about this is:
I hope the US Government stops being a bunch of hypocrites calling other countries "not free" and "police states". Look at yourselves first before labeling others.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting airport1970 (Reply 8):
Tragic for the inconvenience.

Let's not go down that road. Nobody is saying we shouldn't try and stop terrorism, but that doesn't mean anything is fair game. There's a balance between intrusion into privacy and provision of security that needs to be maintained. If my privacy is going to be violated, there needs to be a sound reason behind it. And not just "we need to be on the lookout for potential terrorists" - I want specifics as to why I'm of concern, and why what I might be doing matches actions that a terrorist might specifically take. Leaving a cellphone behind doesn't count - thousands of people lose their cellphones every day. Nor does videotaping a trip to the mall - thousands of people do that, too. I'm not saying there's no grounds to ask a question or two, but reporting it to federal law enforcement? Way over the line.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 7):
Even if it does, Porto is under fog this bright autumn morning.

Serves you right for going to Porto. Should have gone to Lisbon instead... 



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Since the MOA is an internationally well known place, it make sense to be the kind of place some believe would be a target of a terror attack. As a result, some heightened need for security is needed. Problem is that how to balance risk and not hararss the public, especially persons of certain ethnic groups or appearance. Of course you can't ignore the lone nutcase who uses a gun to kill many or street gangs who confront each other in some malls and such situations have happened a number of times in malls.

It appears that at the MOA, the 'mall cops' and the local police have gone overboard and have triggered a number of civil lawsuits by those victimized. Meanwhile, how may have been murdered or assulted at the MOA and it's adjacent parking areas in that time of these detentions of guests to the mall? I bet it is more that a few, and they want to keep it quiet to prevent a loss of customers. Then you have many security video cameras, rules on groups, bans on minors without a parent or guardian after certain times, strict restrictions on freedoms of expression, etc. I live in Northern NJ and in the major malls in my area one often sees 'middle eastern' men and women wearing the head coverings of observant Muslims I wonder how often they get watched by the 'mall cops' even if acting totally legally?


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 12):
The only thing I can say about this is:
I hope the US Government stops being a bunch of hypocrites calling other countries "not free" and "police states". Look at yourselves first before labeling others.

LOL some security guard does something and we are a police state? I mean we make mistakes and all, but I hardly go out every day afraid of the big bad government taking away my civil liberties! It's insulting to the citizens who actually live in a police state that you would refer to the US as one...



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User currently offlinezalemam From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Omg, I also listened to this...It was pretty shocking. The 50 year old greeter who gets questioned then fired for his satirical note about the trash can.


Patience is Virtue
User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Never miss an opportunity to blame Bush, can we? Don't forget to mention brown people too, the race card is too good to pass up.

These are private security guards! Whoever is blaming Bush, DHS, or Janet Napolitano need to get grip. Wanna-be cops with too many toys and an authority/power complex. Of course, that can often extend to real cops and has since the beginning of time, but that is still not the fault of Bush, DHS or Janet Napolitano.
And you all who knee jerk about our loss of rights from the Patriot Act, especially those who are not from here, do not have a clue. By far, the vast majority of rights we have lost is a result of the war on drugs and the police lobby through the courts. Period.


User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Under what authority are the security detaining them under, no arresting you because that is what it is. They have not broken any laws or rules.

If the person said ummm no I think I am going to leave and they say no what are they going to do.

Up here all they could do would be to call the police.




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