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Obama's Jobs Speech Discussion Thread  
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1739 times:

Watch it live here

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/22309266

I'm wait if he puts forward any ideas that would really affect job growth. He can declare a moratorium on the government acting as union enforcers (Boeing in South Carolina) and on the government acting on every inconsequential regulation (Gibson Guitars)


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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11123 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1728 times:

People wanted Obama to give a plan to crate jobs. Well, he is laying out a plan. All of a sudden, it is a campaign speech?? I wish the right would make up their minds what they want from him. Oh, that's right... They just want him gone. They have no plan. Except to get Obama out.


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2848 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1726 times:

...and of course my company hasn't updated our flash players in ages and all the channels seem to be using that format! SO ANNOYING!!!!      


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21092 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1707 times:

Started off pissed as hell, turned into a damn good speech. Like him or hate him, Obama has a talent for formal speeches like this. More later - time now to watch the NFL season get underway.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 1):
People wanted Obama to give a plan to crate jobs. Well, he is laying out a plan. All of a sudden, it is a campaign speech?? I wish the right would make up their minds what they want from him. Oh, that's right... They just want him gone. They have no plan. Except to get Obama out.

Albert Einstein once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". Spending more stimulus won't help the economy. Keynesian stimulus does not work - that's been proven over the past 3 years.

All I heard today is more "tax the rich more" and "more stimulus spending", and a few extra tax loopholes/deductions thrown in (after complaining about loopholes and deductions - ???    ).

If he thinks that a small business like mine will hire more because of the proposed $4K credit, he's smoking something. Sure, we'd love to have the credits, but our decision whether to hire someone is guided 100% by whether we have the work to justify the new position - that's it.

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
He can declare a moratorium on the government acting as union enforcers (Boeing in South Carolina) and on the government acting on every inconsequential regulation (Gibson Guitars)

Those won't cost we the taxpayers a single dime, and alleviate a lot of the "batten down the hatches" feeling in business today.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1679 times:

The only job Obama is trying to save is his

He us a politician by definition he cares about no one else



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7004 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1657 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Started off pissed as hell, turned into a damn good speech. Like him or hate him, Obama has a talent for formal speeches like this. More later - time now to watch the NFL season get underway.

He has great talent for speeches, honestly that and hatred for Bush are the two reasons he is President. The speech was good. The plane nothing special, a bit more money then I thought it will be. It is a decent plan though we will see how much he will work with Republicans to get it done.

This just reminded me how big the Federal Government is, just way too big.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 1):
People wanted Obama to give a plan to crate jobs. Well, he is laying out a plan. All of a sudden, it is a campaign speech?? I wish the right would make up their minds what they want from him. Oh, that's right... They just want him gone. They have no plan. Except to get Obama out.

You seriously do not think elections had something to do with this?? Dont forget the orginal date and time he wanted to do this speech.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8510 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1648 times:

[quote=Dreadnought,reply=4] Sure, we'd love to have the credits.


I guess just on Conservative Republican principles, you had better turn them down. A credit is a loss of revenue for the government, so it could be thought of as more government spending, or more public subsidy of private business. It seems funny that business does not have any problem with credits, loopholes etc, that suck revenue out of the government revenue stream, but want to cut the spending at the same time. Funny that.

[Edited 2011-09-08 17:12:25]


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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2677 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1636 times:

For some reason, my browser only showed some parts since it froze up many times. Now, IMO, I thought it would be just another speech and in this one he would have had to demonstrate to me that he is up to the challenge. He stepped up.

Tonight, the GOP has literally no excuses to not work with Obama. They campaigned on a platform of jobs. It's been nearly 9 months since the new Congress was sworn in and still not one bill has been passed by either chamber promoting jobs. Obama took the first step and incorporated many ideas (including ones that enjoy broad bipartisanship, so there's no denying any compromise here). The ball is in the GOP's court. Will they play or will they sit out? Either way, they are between a rock and a hard place: if they play along, many conservative constituents might create an uproar and take them out next election. Do nothing and constituents will still take them out.

The GOP should now realize which one is the lesser evil: caring about their constituents or caring about themselves?



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8510 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1632 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
All I heard today is more "tax the rich more"

And? Is there anyone on here who considers themselves Rich? Now Buffett is rich, the man, who started Home Depot is rich, he has no problem paying more either. He said so on the Cavuto Show. Cavuto is on Fox, in case you do not watch Fox.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7004 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1622 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 9):
And? Is there anyone on here who considers themselves Rich? Now Buffett is rich, the man, who started Home Depot is rich, he has no problem paying more either. He said so on the Cavuto Show. Cavuto is on Fox, in case you do not watch Fox.

Raise taxes on people making millions a bit sure, but a very small amount increase IMO. Make GE and Exxon pay some taxes etc.. Yes sure but not too much we need them to want to expand and create jobs. The problem with Obama and the Democrats plans are WHO ARE THR RICH? At one point is was families making 200K or more, then 250K or more. IMO a FAMILY (not a person) , two people who bring in under 300K a year is not rich enough to have taxes increased. So there needs to be a number to work with. I have always hear 250K and that is not rich these days. The other problem is people never work for poor people they work for rich people. We do not want to take too much out of these people pockets. If multi millionaires and billionaires think the tax code is unfair then they can donate money to the government or charity. However what is also not fair is that almost 50% of American pay NO taxes at all. So the rich who work hard for a lot of their money should give more and more?



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User currently onlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12879 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1611 times:

While delivered well, with some good points and serious flaws, we need to see the details to fully understand his proposals and hope it doesn't get ruined by big corp lobbyists and selfish persons bribing and narrow-mined politicians.

User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1513 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1602 times:

I watched the speech hoping to hear some good ideas. I did not. It seemed like most of what he spoke about was building and renovating schools and hiring teachers...and expanding our transportation network. Sorry...neither of those helps me. I was hoping he might say something about a program to help college graduates deal with loans...nothing.

Looks like I'm still screwed in terms of finding a job.

Maybe I'll find a job in Israel when I'm there in December...

Marc


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8510 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1599 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 10):
Raise taxes on people making millions a bit sure, but a very small amount increase IMO. Make GE and Exxon pay some taxes etc.. Yes sure but not too much we need them to want to expand and create jobs. The problem with Obama and the Democrats plans are WHO ARE THR RICH? At one point is was families making 200K or more, then 250K or more. IMO a FAMILY (not a person) , two people who bring in under 300K a year is not rich enough to have taxes increased. So there needs to be a number to work with. I have always hear 250K and that is not rich these days. The other problem is people never work for poor people they work for rich people. We do not want to take too much out of these people pockets. If multi millionaires and billionaires think the tax code is unfair then they can donate money to the government or charity. However what is also not fair is that almost 50% of American pay NO taxes at all. So the rich who work hard for a lot of their money should give more and more?

Complicated issue, no doubt. I would take issue with the 250-300k per year couples , not being able to pay more. I suggest you ask anyone making 40K per year, about that. I can afford to pay more, why not them?



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7004 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1597 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
While delivered well, with some good points and serious flaws, we need to see the details to fully understand his proposals and hope it doesn't get ruined by big corp lobbyists and selfish persons bribing and narrow-mined politicians.

Agreed. Great point.

Also just to make another point because I know it will likely be brought up. To those people saying, "hey Warren Buffet pays less taxes then his secretary," it is because Buffet pays Capital Gains taxes, the secretary does Income taxes. He of course still gives the goverments probably tens if not closer to 100 million dollars a year.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7004 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1593 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 13):
Complicated issue, no doubt. I would take issue with the 250-300k per year couples , not being able to pay more. I suggest you ask anyone making 40K per year, about that. I can afford to pay more, why not them?

I will say that is impressive that you think your able to pay more. Good job balancing your finances! But honestly 250K for a family of four. That is not a lot of money.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1595 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 7):
I guess just on Conservative Republican principles, you had better turn them down. A credit is a loss of revenue for the government, so it could be thought of as more government spending, or more public subsidy of private business. It seems funny that business does not have any problem with credits, loopholes etc, that suck revenue out of the government revenue stream, but want to cut the spending at the same time. Funny that.

Unlike liberals, we do not consider government NOT taxing us as a government expense. Whenever people say that a tax rate reduction "cost" X billion dollars, it generates bales of derisive laughter. You just don't get it.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 8):

The GOP should now realize which one is the lesser evil: caring about their constituents or caring about themselves?

And any politician who cares about their constituents will STOP THE DAMNED SPENDING. We added $5 trillion of deficits in the past 3 years - we've shot the wad - if $5 trillion didn't get us any jobs, $400 billion won't. It's just throwing good money after bad. Jobs will come if Obama declares a moratorium on all new regulations, and starts to relax existing ones (Boeing and Gibson being some of the more egregious examples).

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 9):

And? Is there anyone on here who considers themselves Rich? Now Buffett is rich, the man, who started Home Depot is rich, he has no problem paying more either. He said so on the Cavuto Show. Cavuto is on Fox, in case you do not watch Fox.

Fine. But A) Don't group these hypermillionaires with people making $2-300K per year, and B) as has been explained before, if you taxed all millionaires at 100%, you'd only collect about $800 billion - a fraction of what you need to cover the deficit. Not to mention that you would get that $800 billion just ONE time - they will then leave the country and/or close their businesses, and to quote "Full Metal Jacket", then we would be in a world of shit.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8510 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1589 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
Also just to make another point because I know it will likely be brought up. To those people saying, "hey Warren Buffet pays less taxes then his secretary," it is because Buffet pays Capital Gains taxes, the secretary does Income taxes. He of course still gives the goverments probably tens if not closer to 100 million dollars a year."It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying

The question then is, why does Buffett, and the man from Home Depot say the same. They can afford to pay more.



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1589 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 1):

People wanted Obama to give a plan to crate jobs. Well, he is laying out a plan. All of a sudden, it is a campaign speech??


Please point me to what legislation. what plan are you talking about, please so I can do some research.
Oh there is none, its a campaign speech. This is an absolute crisis we should maybe come up with something to look at oh maybe a few weeks farther down the road.
Just sign a $450B stimulus check and we will fill in the details and legislation later?
The last stimulus $830B, depending on who you ask, only somewhere between 3% and 9% went to infrastructure the rest for political patronage. I do not think you are going to find very many people willing to pay $450B for a $1.49 bag of sakrete to plug one pothole.
Sorry just another campaign speech.

Okie


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8510 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1582 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 15):
will say that is impressive that you think your able to pay more. Good job balancing your finances! But honestly 250K for a family of four. That is not a lot of money.

As Obama said, I worked hard, I saved, I reaped the rewards of the then America. I am willing and able to contribute more for the future children of the US. They include my Grandchildren. I was not tought greed, selfishness either. A different age.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8510 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1571 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):
Unlike liberals, we do not consider government NOT taxing us as a government expense. Whenever people say that a tax rate reduction "cost" X billion dollars, it generates bales of derisive laughter. You just don't get it.

As usual a Republican generic copout. I belong to a nation. I swore my military oath to the United States, not to myself.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):
Fine. But A) Don't group these hypermillionaires with people making $2-300K per year

As I said earlier, I suggest you ask the person making 40k a year, and even that is a very high average wage, when we talk about the job creators, such as non- union small business. 40K is the median income in R.I. Imagine other areas, which I will not mention.

[Edited 2011-09-08 18:25:40]


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8875 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1562 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 20):
I belong to a nation. I swore my military oath to the United States, not to myself.

That is a highly disturbing statement that has caused much pain to the world in the past. Thankfully, we've been moving away from this for a while now.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8510 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1558 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 18):
Please point me to what legislation. what plan are you talking about, please so I can do some research.
Oh there is none, its a campaign speech. This is an absolute crisis we should maybe come up with something to look at oh maybe a few weeks farther down the road.
Just sign a $450B stimulus check and we will fill in the details and legislation later?
The last stimulus $830B, depending on who you ask, only somewhere between 3% and 9% went to infrastructure the rest for political patronage. I do not think you are going to find very many people willing to pay $450B for a $1.49 bag of sakrete to plug one pothole.
Sorry just another campaign speech.

I have to think that Obama has something wriiten down, maybe on his cuff. I mean congress is dysfunctional, but they do have to pass a written bill. I wonder, have you ever heard a speech from a politician that was not political? Get real!



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 22):
I wonder, have you ever heard a speech from a politician that was not political


That was a reply to whether it was a campaign speech please read.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 22):
Get real!


I am, its a campaign speech.
Please reference me to some legislation to which the speech addressed.

Okie


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8510 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 21):
That is a highly disturbing statement that has caused much pain to the world in the past. Thankfully, we've been moving away from this for a while now.

Ask any service member of the US, ask the US President. Who do they pledge to defend? If this has changed, could you show me where?



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25 WarRI1 : Ho hum, it is a proposed jobs package to congress, to be negotiated, written, and voted on. That is the way our government works. He touched on the i
26 okie : No legislation and no indication of exactly how he is going to pay for it. Do not get me wrong there were a few ideas that he has adopted from privat
27 flymia : Well because they are exceptionally wealthy and pay almost no income taxes. Or most of their income does not come from a salary. I am sure if Buffet
28 WarRI1 : It is possible, so is higher taxes in the end product. They were mentioned along with cuts, and reforms. Who really knows?
29 WarRI1 : It has always intriqued me about such a thing. If you make a million, a billion, and you do pay 40 % tax, you will still be wealthy. I remember Ted T
30 StuckInCA : Wow. You're really out of touch with what most people in this country earn if you think $250k per year is not a lot of money. That's a LOT of money i
31 DeltaMD90 : What's wrong with having a lot of money that you earned? Yeah, I say close the loopholes and tax them at the same percentage, but it scares me that s
32 Post contains images flymia : Ok I can agree with what you said on some levels. At the same time President Obama puts this 250K thing up there like these people are millionaires c
33 Mir : Three years is a laughably short time span to evaluate an economic strategy. True, and I wish he'd emphasized that more - the real problem in the US
34 N867DA : It means someone has an unhealthy crush on Ayn Rand. I wouldn't give it much thought.
35 seb146 : Actually, the stimulus worked. And worked much better than cutting taxes. How many jobs has cutting taxes created? Look at the number of jobs created
36 Post contains links dxing : Sounds like a good plan to me. Buffet's company has a problem paying their taxes right now. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...s-berkshire-hathaw
37 n318ea : What a pathetic Zero President ZeroBama has become. Same tired class warfare and $2-3,000,000 per job saved or created bull-sh@t.
38 Post contains images Mir : Stalling for 14 months is no plan at all. Are you suggesting that we should have more of those in order to simply provide employment to people? It wo
39 Post contains images MCOGVADCA : . This is a potential 1 trillion USD stimulus into the economy that could be used to appease both Republican and Democratic constituents. The notion,
40 FlyPNS1 : And what happens when instead of creating new jobs, they just give all their management bigger bonuses? This is what will really happen because even
41 PPVRA : Wealth comes from production, not consumption. That costumer you talk about can only afford to buy anything if he first produces something. The econo
42 flymia : I agree with that! I am all for less taxes, but that GE paid $0 is a bit concerning. Do I want them to pay 35% or even 10% of their earning? No I don
43 FlyPNS1 : Not necessarily. Many companies have gotten tax breaks over the years, only to turn right around and cut production and ship jobs overseas anyway. Bu
44 PPVRA : Taxes are one factor companies consider. Tax cuts are often small, or temporary like the one Obama is proposing. Correct. If I want the widget you pr
45 Mir : Hardly. The only incentive to produce more is an increase in demand. A reduction in taxes only greases the wheels. A desire for consumption has to ex
46 windy95 : What a joke...More lipstick on the same old tired pig..
47 Post contains images MCOGVADCA : Well put, flymia. No better example than AA's cost structure (though the auto industry and teachers unions also make fantastic examples); imagine how
48 D L X : Source? Not when it such a myopic observation appears to align with one's previously held beliefs.
49 Post contains links Dreadnought : Let's take 2009 for example. The gross revenue numbers are from the link below. "Millionaires & Billionaires" = $726 billion total / 178 billion
50 PPVRA : The fact that price controls on food empty supermarket shelves is enough to debunk that idea. Lot's of demand, no one produces anything. Desire for c
51 FlyPNS1 : But who's to say those new people getting hired will be in the U.S.? That's a fundamental flaw in you logic. It doesn't do a lot of good to give a ta
52 okie : So far it is looking that way. Skeptical I am, it appears to be a campaign speech. There is a reason that he did not produce the legislation, it is n
53 PPVRA : If the production is in China, you won't be getting much tax revenue from it anyway, if any. But you do make a valid point. Taxes are not the whole p
54 nonrevman : In addition to your reasons, I think the novelty factor was huge in Obama becoming president. To many people, they needed to prove that we could have
55 flymia : Well we all saw how the market felt after Obama's speech. As usual he talks and the market goes down. As for the plan it is a TEMPORARY JOB PLAN. I ju
56 Post contains links flyingclrs727 : He said, "pass this bill" several times in the speech, but he submitted no text for a bill. How can Congress pass or not pass a bill that he doesn't e
57 okie : Maybe a "Vapor Bill" that produces Vapor Jobs.? There has to something seriously wrong here or there would have been a bill. Okie
58 dfwrevolution : This is the sad effect of the Democrat's unchecked warfare on the energy industry. ExxonMobil paid $21.5 billion in corporate income taxes last year.
59 Post contains images dxing : No one is advocating stalling, but like it or not an election is a little over a year away and the GOP should have in mind defeating and denying Pres
60 D L X : Then you are aware that he cited the lowest year in the last 15 years, right?
61 Post contains images StarAC17 : You have a valid point but don't expect a union to cooperate with management when they agree to a cut and the board of an airline takes a bonus for i
62 Mir : I'm just curious as to why $720 billion is a tiny fraction that's not worth thinking about when it comes to the rich, but when it comes to the middle
63 MCOGVADCA : You're right that a properly written tax code can entice MNCs to operate in a particular country which can have tangible benefits for a given region/
64 dxing : Makes no difference to his original point which is if you tax them at 100% they will find somewhere else to live. If you tax them at less than 100% t
65 Mir : The "here's our plan, take it or leave it" approach does nobody any good. It's the first step, and I'll give them credit for that, but unless they go
66 dxing : If the Senate would pass a plan then both plans could go to conference but since they haven't you have the President saying this is what I want and t
67 Mir : I'm not. If he's going to say no, then he needs to offer an alternative, and then work through the process to get a compromise. He showed signs of tr
68 dxing : Even if they do, the Senate needs to act and Senator Reid appears to be in no great hurry. And again, they have put forth legislation but the Senate
69 luckyone : Amen. Mr. Obama has become an expert at declaring emergencies due to no money, that subsequently require spending billions upon billions of that mone
70 PPVRA : Job-killing regulations is a fundamental problem that is creating an environment unconducive to wealth creation (production of goods/services that pe
71 Mir : And that's his fault, and hopefully the voters will see it and act accordingly. Still not really an excuse for throwing their hands up and saying "he
72 PPVRA : There can be, even without the people currently unemployed participating. Of course I'd much prefer they join us too.
73 windy95 : How about a plan that does not cost any money? Repeal Obamacare, repeal Dodd Frank, reign in the EPA on CO2, Stop stalling on Oil Drilling and repatri
74 dxing : Senator Reid won a six year lease on his political life just last year. I would be suprised, given his age, if he were to run for another term in 201
75 windy95 : And continue to blame everyone else....
76 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Windy, that makes too much sense. You know better than that!
77 TOMMY767 : I feel there has been far too many "get out of jail" instances because he is such a crowd pleasing public speaker. It shouldn't work this way. I hone
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