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Trump Considering Independent Bid  
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4479 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...y-ahead-of-meeting/?iref=allsearch

Quote:
Trump boasted of his ranking as “number one in the polls” before he announced he would not seek the GOP nomination in June, but didn’t discount the possibility that he may yet have a candidacy to declare.
“If the Republicans choose the wrong candidate…and if the economy continues to be bad…I will certainly consider [running for the presidency] as an independent,” Trump confirmed.

I find this interesting. If Trump runs, he would likely pull some of the more moderate Republican voters. This could prove troublesome in 2012 because the offset might be something like the Nader effect in 2000.

I believe the Republicans would do anything in their power to prevent him from running in 2012. Thoughts?

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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Thread starter):
I find this interesting. If Trump runs, he would likely pull some of the more moderate Republican voters. This could prove troublesome in 2012 because the offset might be something like the Nader effect in 2000.

I believe the Republicans would do anything in their power to prevent him from running in 2012. Thoughts?

Everything Trump does id for his own wealth, self aggrandizement, and benefit. If he does run, it will be to get attention, and move the discussion in a certain way. Then at a certain point he will jump out "For the good of the country and not split important votes". Not that I don't think he couldn't be worse than Perry, he is at least not into the religion/social/moral engineering aspect of things.

Tugg

[Edited 2011-09-15 09:23:53]


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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21563 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
Not that I don't think he couldn't be worse than Perry, he is at least not into the religion/social/moral engineering aspect of things.

Well, as long as we're not counting his idea of himself as a godlike figure as "religion". Because he's pretty into trying to get people to worship him.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39852 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

It would be a big mistake for Trump to run as an independent. He would guarantee a 2nd term for Obama.

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Well, as long as we're not counting his idea of himself as a godlike figure as "religion". Because he's pretty into trying to get people to worship him.

Hmmm, kinda like Obama?
Many thought Obama was the 2nd coming of Jesus. Just look at all the fan worship that surrounded Obama '08.
I haven't seen any Trump t-shirts, posters, paintings, etc.



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User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Hmmm, kinda like Obama?
Many thought Obama was the 2nd coming of Jesus. Just look at all the fan worship that surrounded Obama '08.
I haven't seen any Trump t-shirts, posters, paintings, etc.


  

I'll answer for some others before they can.

Please stop being so racist. You obviously are saying this because the color of his skin.   


Not sure if I would vote for Trump though... We will see what he brings to the table if he runs.



[Edited 2011-09-15 10:00:21]


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Many thought Obama was the 2nd coming of Jesus. Just look at all the fan worship that surrounded Obama '08.

This I don't get, it is an artificial construct by some out there to stir things up.

I don't know ANYONE that thought or thinks that President Obama is "the second coming of Jesus". Just because some people were excited to see an African American in the running, and were wildly in support of him and made things in support of him, others decided to take offense.

There just isn't any need to be offended, I just don't get why you or anyone else actually seeks out to be offended by the level of support and attention it drew by making up a stupid "second coming" statement. It's as bad as those that said "Bush is the devil". It's silly and it's unintelligent to keep repeating it as if it were actually true. It's not.

Tugg



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User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Ratings are that bad again, eh?

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8837 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 5):
I don't know ANYONE that thought or thinks that President Obama is "the second coming of Jesus". Just because some people were excited to see an African American in the running, and were wildly in support of him and made things in support of him, others decided to take offense.

"second coming" might be a bit strong, but I don't remember another presidential candidate whose supporters wrote songs about him for schoolchildren to sing. If you find that sort of adoration not just a little bit offensive, you have no idea what this country is about. We are not supposed to put our politicians on pedestals. They are public servants.




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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Well, as long as we're not counting his idea of himself as a godlike figure as "religion". Because he's pretty into trying to get people to worship him.

Hmmm, kinda like Obama?
Many thought Obama was the 2nd coming of Jesus. Just look at all the fan worship that surrounded Obama '08.

The difference is that it is Trump himself who feels "godlike." Obama didn't but yeah, a lot of his supporters sure did. Didn't Oprah call him "the chosen one" or "the one" or something like that?

Quoting Aloha717200 (Thread starter):
If Trump runs, he would likely pull some of the more moderate Republican voters. This could prove troublesome in 2012 because the offset might be something like the Nader effect in 2000.

Good analogy - that's exactly what I was thinking when I read the story


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
"second coming" might be a bit strong, but I don't remember another presidential candidate whose supporters wrote songs about him for schoolchildren to sing. If you find that sort of adoration not just a little bit offensive, you have no idea what this country is about. We are not supposed to put our politicians on pedestals. They are public servants.

Adoration, songs about, whatever, yes, it is extreme and a bit distasteful. But to go and make an issue of it? A big issue of it? People can pretty much do what they want in the USA regarding this. We idolize athletes, and celebrity, and "patriots" and all sorts of people in ways that are really uncalled for and unearned. But it's not something to make a big deal about and to focus on beyond trying to get people to stop doing it.

Tugg



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5241 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Well, as long as we're not counting his idea of himself as a godlike figure as "religion". Because he's pretty into trying to get people to worship him.

  

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Many thought Obama was the 2nd coming of Jesus. Just look at all the fan worship that surrounded Obama '08.
I haven't seen any Trump t-shirts, posters, paintings, etc.

Remind us all who you voted for in '08...



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39852 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1234 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 5):
I just don't get why you or anyone else actually seeks out to be offended by the level of support

"offended"?
When did I ever say I was "offended" by his level of support?

Quoting ER757 (Reply 8):
The difference is that it is Trump himself who feels "godlike."

He does?

Quoting ER757 (Reply 8):
Didn't Oprah call him "the chosen one" or "the one" or something like that?

Yep.   

Quoting OA412 (Reply 10):
Remind us all who you voted for in '08...

We all make mistakes.
You told me to "stop" reminding everyone that I voted for him.   



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 4):
I'll answer for some others before they can.

Please stop being so racist.

Which members precisely would have posted that if you hadn't? Can you give us a list?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20534 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Thread starter):
the offset might be something like the Nader effect in 2000

I'm thinking more Ross Perot than Ralph Nader. Trump has the potential to upset the numbers in both parties.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
We all make mistakes.

Dude, I voted for Carter! ::shake head:: What was I thinking? (I actually like the man, think he's done some great things in a quiet unassuming way since leaving office, he just wasn't ready to be president.)



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User currently onlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11580 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 5):
I don't know ANYONE that thought or thinks that President Obama is "the second coming of Jesus".

The right-wing talking heats gave him that nickname.

Will Trump run? Probably not. He needs to drum up buzz about another season of his show and he has been out of the headlines for a while now. We do not need another pro-big business/anti-middle class candidate running. There are about 8 too many of them as it is....



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39852 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
Dude, I voted for Carter! ::shake head:: What was I thinking?

Can't beat up on ourselves when we elect politicians that disappoint us.
Jimmy Carter is a great man and had great intentions. He was President during a very difficult time economically and was not a good spokesman/salesman. Deep down in his heart, Carter really cared and wanted to do the right thing. Obama on the other hand is arrogant, has a huge ego and is only interested in scoring points against the Republicans and not interested in solutions. I think it's a shame that people accuse Donald Trump with 'ego'. It is such an unfair label for Trump.
Wanna see ego? Look no further than this....























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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21563 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
If you find that sort of adoration not just a little bit offensive, you have no idea what this country is about. We are not supposed to put our politicians on pedestals. They are public servants.

We've been putting our politicians on pedestals for years. We name buildings after them, we name schools after them, we name roads and bridges after them, we name airports after them, etc. (and let's not forget the virtual deity that Reagan is to the GOP - hell, nobody can be a presidential candidate on the Republican ticket until they make a pilgrimage to the Reagan Presidential Library). Lionizing politicians is not a new phenomenon for the US.

The only thing new about Obama is that he's the first president to assume office in the social media boom, where people's support of a certain candidate can be far more visible than it used to be, and thus the incentive to go all out is stronger. Whoever ends up being the 45th president is almost certainly going to have a similar following.

-Mir



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1062 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Wanna see ego? Look no further than this....

You're missing the point. I'm pretty sure Barry O didn't market or endorse any of those items himself. So to show those and use them as examples of his ego is disingenuous. While I agree he has a pretty big ego (hell, anyone who thinks he should be president has to) t-shirts people made up do not show this. Unlike say, a guy painting his own name on a helicopter, airplane, building, golf course etc. Gee, who could I be talking about?


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1050 times:

IMHO this just another attempt by Trump to get some free press. Given his reaction to the jokes made at his expense shows he's way to thin skinned for a campaign.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39852 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1028 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 17):
Unlike say, a guy painting his own name on a helicopter, airplane, building, golf course etc. Gee, who could I be talking about?

'Trump' is also a company and many companies do have their name on their aircraft, trucks, vans and cars. Would you accuse Colonel Sanders for having an ego?


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Quoting ER757 (Reply 17):
I'm pretty sure Barry O didn't market or endorse any of those items himself.

He isn't marketing it but many of the funds do go to his campaign so it is an endorsement of sorts.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 17):
While I agree he has a pretty big ego (hell, anyone who thinks he should be president has to)

Very true and its unfair to single out Trump for having an ego.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
and its unfair to single out Trump for having an ego.

If that's true...then this

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Well, as long as we're not counting his idea of himself as a godlike figure as "religion". Because he's pretty into trying to get people to worship him.

Hmmm, kinda like Obama?

...is as equally 'unfair' if not more. Obama is far more gracious and humble that Trump. No comparison in this or any other universe on the ego charge.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
We all make mistakes.

Dude, I voted for Carter! ::shake head:: What was I thinking?

Believe it or not, it was the smarter vote. Ford would have been a lukewarm body in a chair as he was and had Reagan won the Primary and became the nominee and won..we would have had that much more of that crook Edwin Meese that much earlier and that would have been too close for comfort for domestic civil unrest across the board. Carter had a great 'bringing together' effect on a extremely divided nation that Nixon/Ford had governed over. It's amazing how easily people forget the things they take for granted.

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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 992 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Thread starter):
I find this interesting. If Trump runs, he would likely pull some of the more moderate Republican voters. This could prove troublesome in 2012 because the offset might be something like the Nader effect in 2000.

I believe the Republicans would do anything in their power to prevent him from running in 2012. Thoughts?

I'm sure neither party wants a 3rd party/independent candidate in 2012.

The memory that Nader did actually put George Bush into the White House with the single county votes in Florida haunts the Democrats. As does the memory of George Wallace in 68. The Republicans remember how many votes Perot cost them.

Trump doesn't have enough money to make a Perot type bid.

But it is probably a moot discussion anyway. Trump has been trying to get close to the old-line Republican party darling - Rick Perry.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 966 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Would you accuse Colonel Sanders for having an ego?

Yes, but that's apples and oranges. The good colonel sold his name to the company and was un-involved in any way long before that airplane ever existed. In fact, later in life he was quite critical of KFC

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
He isn't marketing it but many of the funds do go to his campaign so it is an endorsement of sorts.

That's a bit of a stretch. Look, if you think Obama's ego and need for self-promotion is in the same league as Trump's then we really have nothing further to discuss. I'm not a fan of Obama, think he's way over his head in in current position but Trump is an egomaniac with an insanely high opinion of himself. "Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong"(copyright Dennis Miller).


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39852 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 932 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 22):
Yes, but that's apples and oranges.

No it's extra crispy and original recipe.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 22):
In fact, later in life he was quite critical of KFC

It was around the time they changed the recipe for their biscuits. Was pissed off too.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 22):
Trump is an egomaniac with an insanely high opinion of himself.

Nothing wrong with a man being confident in himself.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 863 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 4):
Please stop being so racist. You obviously are saying this because the color of his skin


A more ignorant line the likes of which I have never heard...just because an opinion is expressed about the poor performance of a political figure has nothing to do with skin color. Obama is the worst President we have had...his policies are flawed and he is a rote lier. None of those key points are related to skin color. Eric Holder, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi...a ship of fools...their you go...and some are white...g   


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26 Post contains images Superfly : Does the head automatically bow when placed in front of dictators? Nah I'd say he's tied with George W Bush as being the co-worst Presidents. Don't f
27 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I would like to see Donald Trump running in the next US Presidential election. He would be quite some entertainment. Not a boring minute during his ap
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