directorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1733 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2402 times:
I guess it all depends on what your concept of the 'New Israel' is.
If I'm going to live there for a short period, say 2-3 years, then it would not matter much to me. But I'd probably pick Israel-life there is much easier, reliable facilities and public services etc. I certainly don't think life in Palestine (even if it's the West Bank as opposed to Gaza) would be an easy ordeal. But that's only if I had to pick-if I had a choice I would not pick either one.
TheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
If it was viable, I'd buy a nice place in Beit Sahur (West Bank town/municipality beside Bethlehem) and live there permanently. It's small and quiet, the people are great, climate is perfect, and it is within walking distance to Bethlehem and Jerusalem.
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csavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1384 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2330 times:
probably Israel if I could live in Haifa or Tel Aviv, if I had to live with the Haredi, it would be like living with Jewish Hamas.
(OK not as bad, they don't blow people up, but religious extremists of any religion, are the greatest danger to peace in the world)
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OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2321 times:
I wouldn't want to live in either to be honest. Too unstable and there will always be troubles there. Ok for short visits but thats all. Tel Aviv is a nice clean city with nice beaches and I enjoyed my visits there but then I enjoy anywhere I visit in the Middle East. The best country in the region is Lebanon hands down . Food ,culture and the people. A very special land indeed.
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Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
At present Israel has more to offer in terms of educational, medical and cultural facilities, so that may play a part in the choice. The decision may also depend on what sort of Palestinian State came into being. Is it one that adopts a democratic system based on freedom of religion and equality before the law regardless of age, sex, ethnicity, etc? Even Israel is not perfect in this area as there were claims made of discrimination against those Jews who don't fit into the dominant Ashkenazic culture. But then, no country is perfect.
A lot would be dependent on the reason for moving. If one were appointed to an IT company in Petah Tikva then one would naturally live there. If one was working with an aid agency or providing infrastructure to the new Palestinian State it would make sense to live there. It may also depend on who is doing the moving: a returning Palestinian or a returning Jew.
My only hope is that one day the two peoples can learn to live peacefully together as neighbours. In the meantime, my preference is to stay in Australia where I am happy.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 22044 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2157 times:
Quoting zrs70 (Reply 10): Interesting question, but not related to this thread.
It's the same sort of question you asked.
If you're trying to imply that Israel provides a higher standard of living to its citizens than Palestine does (which I don't think anyone would dispute), and thus should retain control of the disputed land in some sort of scheme to "bring civilization to the uncivilized", you're missing the point entirely. You might have heard the phrase "it's not much, but it's home". The same thing applies here - remember that the whole reason Israel exists in the first place is that it was meant to be a home for the Jews. Israel is not a home for the Palestinians for a variety of reasons, some innate and some as a result of the way the Palestinians have been treated by Israel in the past. And while most people without a connection to the area would probably choose to live in Israel, most of the people living in Palestine (who are the only ones who are really relevant to this discussion) would likely choose to continue to do so. I know I would if I were in that position.
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racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2140 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 13): most of the people living in Palestine (who are the only ones who are really relevant to this discussion) would likely choose to continue to do so. I know I would if I were in that position.
To Israel's luck. If the Palestinians were to ask for equality and the right to vote, Israel as a jewish state would be done. That's why the two-state-solution is first and foremost in Israel's interest. The Palestinians are not going to cling on to the dream of their own state forever, and eventually they'll realize that one state with a majority of Arabs and a minority of Jews beats the status Quo by a lot.
signol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
It is a bit of a stupid question, as one has plenty of 1st world infrastructure and the other does not. Assuming (big assumption I know) normalising of relations between the two, and plenty of time for Palestine to develop, then it would make no difference.
More importantly, what bearing is it supposed to have? I wouldn't want to live in Kenya, but that in no way means that Kenyans shouldn't have their own country. Like I always say about where I grew up: if it wasn't my hometown, I'd hate the place.
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Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1900 times:
Quoting signol (Reply 18): It is a bit of a stupid question, as one has plenty of 1st world infrastructure and the other does not. Assuming (big assumption I know) normalising of relations between the two, and plenty of time for Palestine to develop, then it would make no difference.
With western money poured into Israel it is hardly surprising that their cities seem more attractive than Ramallah. But are they more attractive than say Abu Dhabi? Money does tend to talk.
lh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2391 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1866 times:
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 22): With western money poured into Israel it is hardly surprising that their cities seem more attractive than Ramallah. But are they more attractive than say Abu Dhabi? Money does tend to talk.
Abu Dhabi is bult with islamic oil-money ... The Emirates and other islamic countries are free to pour as much moiney into Palestine as they wish.
I for my part was hurt in a Qassam rocket attack on Israel in the early 2000s, so I for myself made the decission who's wrong and who's right ... my choice is clear: Israel. I wouldn't mind living in Beirut as well though.
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zalemam From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 169 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
Quoting lh526 (Reply 23): I for my part was hurt in a Qassam rocket attack on Israel in the early 2000s, so I for myself made the decission who's wrong and who's right ... my choice is clear: Israel. I wouldn't mind living in Beirut as well though.
Do you not ask the question of why that rocket might have been fired? These rockets are not fired because they're 'Islamist'. Maybe you should have thought to your self, if Israel wasn't blockading Gaza then this rocket would have likely not been fired and wouldn't have injured you.
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: You presumably mean with Abu Dhabi oil money? What is the nature of the problem with that???? Or do you suppose it came from SA??? Where did the mone
: Which creates a circle because since he did not block Gaza he would fully support Israel firing back into Gaza because he was hurt for something he d
: I'm sorry but I hate when people say that. I say this as someone with a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause, but well, it is like a husband say
: I was responding to the bashing that "Israel is being held up with western money" that is a fact and totally OK with me. I don't see a problem with o
: If present trends continue, this exactly what is going to happen. With every passing day, Israel settlements grow, making any separation of the West
: Is this thread serious? Please tell me you're just BS'ing us with this hypothetical....
: Neither. And if I was forced to pick, I would pick the one that isn't ruled by complete nutjobs that benefit from the Status Quo and actually ecourage
: I would choose Israel , hands down. in my opinion , you can't compare Palistine and Israel as countries.
: Frankly I'd rather run over my tadger with a lawn mower before moving to either ! The current occcupants are welcome to it and each other.
: The More Democratic of the two......But Currently I'm Enjoying Living in INDIA .....The World in one country.
: Very stupid question infact, its like asking someone would they like to live in Beverly Hills or South Central L.A. How about comparing Dubai and Yem
: Well, neither israel nor West Jordan or Gaza have oil. The main resource in both are brains. Usually, the distribution is proprotionally equal, Palest
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2...present_blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip Zalemam, if you are going to make a statement, check your facts, or at leas
: I am currently reading Sari Nusseibeh's memoirs about growing up Palestinian, in it he mentions the unreality of taking an El Al flight shortly after