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Would You Rather Live In Israel Or In Palestine?  
User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3173 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Simple question. So much anti-Israel voices out there.

Let's say we get a two state solution that works....
Let's say you, for some reason, had to move to the region...

Where would you decide to live? The New Israel or the new Palestine? Why?


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User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

I guess it all depends on what your concept of the 'New Israel' is.
If I'm going to live there for a short period, say 2-3 years, then it would not matter much to me. But I'd probably pick Israel-life there is much easier, reliable facilities and public services etc. I certainly don't think life in Palestine (even if it's the West Bank as opposed to Gaza) would be an easy ordeal. But that's only if I had to pick-if I had a choice I would not pick either one.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7176 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Might be one of the easiest questions I have ever answered: Israel.


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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

If it was viable, I'd buy a nice place in Beit Sahur (West Bank town/municipality beside Bethlehem) and live there permanently. It's small and quiet, the people are great, climate is perfect, and it is within walking distance to Bethlehem and Jerusalem.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Since nobody is making land distribution decisions based on who might move to the area in the future, I don't really see how this thread is relevant.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Israel hands down. The Palestinian side I went to was sketchy, to say the least. Have nothing against Palestinians in general, but I did feel a bit uncomfortable in their land.


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User currently offlinecsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

probably Israel if I could live in Haifa or Tel Aviv, if I had to live with the Haredi, it would be like living with Jewish Hamas.
(OK not as bad, they don't blow people up, but religious extremists of any religion, are the greatest danger to peace in the world)



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27005 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

I wouldn't want to live in either to be honest. Too unstable and there will always be troubles there. Ok for short visits but thats all. Tel Aviv is a nice clean city with nice beaches and I enjoyed my visits there but then I enjoy anywhere I visit in the Middle East. The best country in the region is Lebanon hands down . Food ,culture and the people. A very special land indeed.

User currently offlineN537FX From Switzerland, joined Oct 2009, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Maybe the question should be , if the Palestinian state was in complete 1967 borders with E. Jerusalem as their capital, this is what the PA is advocating.

I would choose Israel. Superior medical care, education, infrastructure, and economy. The israeli economy is light years ahead of its neighbors.


User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1228 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

I got a question for you too:
Where would you rather live if you had to chose, Nazi Germany or Nazi Occupied Poland circa 1941?



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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3173 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 9):

I got a question for you too:
Where would you rather live if you had to chose, Nazi Germany or Nazi Occupied Poland circa 1941?


Interesting question, but not related to this thread.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27005 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 10):
Interesting question, but not related to this thread.

I can see the link . Occupied land so I guess its not totally unrelated.

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
So much anti-Israel voices out there.

A lot of Anti Arab and Palestinian voices out there also .


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

At present Israel has more to offer in terms of educational, medical and cultural facilities, so that may play a part in the choice. The decision may also depend on what sort of Palestinian State came into being. Is it one that adopts a democratic system based on freedom of religion and equality before the law regardless of age, sex, ethnicity, etc? Even Israel is not perfect in this area as there were claims made of discrimination against those Jews who don't fit into the dominant Ashkenazic culture. But then, no country is perfect.

A lot would be dependent on the reason for moving. If one were appointed to an IT company in Petah Tikva then one would naturally live there. If one was working with an aid agency or providing infrastructure to the new Palestinian State it would make sense to live there. It may also depend on who is doing the moving: a returning Palestinian or a returning Jew.

My only hope is that one day the two peoples can learn to live peacefully together as neighbours. In the meantime, my preference is to stay in Australia where I am happy.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 10):
Interesting question, but not related to this thread.

It's the same sort of question you asked.

If you're trying to imply that Israel provides a higher standard of living to its citizens than Palestine does (which I don't think anyone would dispute), and thus should retain control of the disputed land in some sort of scheme to "bring civilization to the uncivilized", you're missing the point entirely. You might have heard the phrase "it's not much, but it's home". The same thing applies here - remember that the whole reason Israel exists in the first place is that it was meant to be a home for the Jews. Israel is not a home for the Palestinians for a variety of reasons, some innate and some as a result of the way the Palestinians have been treated by Israel in the past. And while most people without a connection to the area would probably choose to live in Israel, most of the people living in Palestine (who are the only ones who are really relevant to this discussion) would likely choose to continue to do so. I know I would if I were in that position.

-Mir



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
most of the people living in Palestine (who are the only ones who are really relevant to this discussion) would likely choose to continue to do so. I know I would if I were in that position.

To Israel's luck. If the Palestinians were to ask for equality and the right to vote, Israel as a jewish state would be done. That's why the two-state-solution is first and foremost in Israel's interest. The Palestinians are not going to cling on to the dream of their own state forever, and eventually they'll realize that one state with a majority of Arabs and a minority of Jews beats the status Quo by a lot.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9401 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 9):
Where would you rather live if you had to chose, Nazi Germany or Nazi Occupied Poland circa 1941?

rather compare that with communist CSSR, in all three you had little choice. The closest you get with your question is Gaza which compares pretty much.

Best answer is that about a million Palestinians with Israeli passports answer that question every day: Israel

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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9401 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

that should read USSR of course, sorry neighbours....


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User currently offlinecsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 9):
Where would you rather live if you had to chose, Nazi Germany or Nazi Occupied Poland circa 1941?

Well since I am Jewish I'd be very very dead either way, it is sort of a Hobson's choice. Were I German, I'd prefer Germany since Nazi ideology considered slavs sub-human.



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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3006 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

It is a bit of a stupid question, as one has plenty of 1st world infrastructure and the other does not. Assuming (big assumption I know) normalising of relations between the two, and plenty of time for Palestine to develop, then it would make no difference.

signol



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User currently offlinezalemam From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Hebron, Palestine only because I would feel guilty living on stolen Palestinian land (all of israel).

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):
Best answer is that about a million Palestinians with Israeli passports answer that question every day: Israel

Or maybe they were the few that weren't forced out of their land in 1948. I'd like to see how easy it is for palestinians in the West Bank to get into Israel.



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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3173 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 14):
the two-state-solution is first and foremost in Israel's interest.

How true! Couldn't have said it better.

Let me broaden the question:

If you are a woman, where would you rather live?
If you are gay, where would you rather live?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting signol (Reply 18):

More importantly, what bearing is it supposed to have? I wouldn't want to live in Kenya, but that in no way means that Kenyans shouldn't have their own country. Like I always say about where I grew up: if it wasn't my hometown, I'd hate the place.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Quoting signol (Reply 18):
It is a bit of a stupid question, as one has plenty of 1st world infrastructure and the other does not. Assuming (big assumption I know) normalising of relations between the two, and plenty of time for Palestine to develop, then it would make no difference.

   With western money poured into Israel it is hardly surprising that their cities seem more attractive than Ramallah. But are they more attractive than say Abu Dhabi? Money does tend to talk.


User currently offlinelh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 days ago) and read 1838 times:
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 22):
With western money poured into Israel it is hardly surprising that their cities seem more attractive than Ramallah. But are they more attractive than say Abu Dhabi? Money does tend to talk.

Abu Dhabi is bult with islamic oil-money ... The Emirates and other islamic countries are free to pour as much moiney into Palestine as they wish.

I for my part was hurt in a Qassam rocket attack on Israel in the early 2000s, so I for myself made the decission who's wrong and who's right ... my choice is clear: Israel. I wouldn't mind living in Beirut as well though.



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User currently offlinezalemam From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting lh526 (Reply 23):
I for my part was hurt in a Qassam rocket attack on Israel in the early 2000s, so I for myself made the decission who's wrong and who's right ... my choice is clear: Israel. I wouldn't mind living in Beirut as well though.

Do you not ask the question of why that rocket might have been fired? These rockets are not fired because they're 'Islamist'. Maybe you should have thought to your self, if Israel wasn't blockading Gaza then this rocket would have likely not been fired and wouldn't have injured you.



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25 Baroque : You presumably mean with Abu Dhabi oil money? What is the nature of the problem with that???? Or do you suppose it came from SA??? Where did the mone
26 par13del : Which creates a circle because since he did not block Gaza he would fully support Israel firing back into Gaza because he was hurt for something he d
27 csavel : I'm sorry but I hate when people say that. I say this as someone with a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause, but well, it is like a husband say
28 lh526 : I was responding to the bashing that "Israel is being held up with western money" that is a fact and totally OK with me. I don't see a problem with o
29 victrola : If present trends continue, this exactly what is going to happen. With every passing day, Israel settlements grow, making any separation of the West
30 slider : Is this thread serious? Please tell me you're just BS'ing us with this hypothetical....
31 Acheron : Neither. And if I was forced to pick, I would pick the one that isn't ruled by complete nutjobs that benefit from the Status Quo and actually ecourage
32 SHAQ : I would choose Israel , hands down. in my opinion , you can't compare Palistine and Israel as countries.
33 pacificjourney : Frankly I'd rather run over my tadger with a lawn mower before moving to either ! The current occcupants are welcome to it and each other.
34 Post contains images HAWK21M : The More Democratic of the two......But Currently I'm Enjoying Living in INDIA .....The World in one country.
35 777way : Very stupid question infact, its like asking someone would they like to live in Beverly Hills or South Central L.A. How about comparing Dubai and Yem
36 PanHAM : Well, neither israel nor West Jordan or Gaza have oil. The main resource in both are brains. Usually, the distribution is proprotionally equal, Palest
37 Post contains links and images Cadet985 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2...present_blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip Zalemam, if you are going to make a statement, check your facts, or at leas
38 csavel : I am currently reading Sari Nusseibeh's memoirs about growing up Palestinian, in it he mentions the unreality of taking an El Al flight shortly after
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