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Immelt, Jobs, 15 Dollars Per Hour.  
User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

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Today while watching Fareed Zackaria GPS, and as he was talking to Jeffrey Immelt about jobs, Immelt said this. If the US worker was willing to work for 15 dollars per hour, there would be more jobs returning to, or staying in the US. The total pay for the year, based on a 40 hour week, 50 weeks, at that hourly rate, one would earn 31K per year. He did not mention benefits. Is there anyone one out there who would want to work for that kind of money? Is there anyone out there who thinks they could afford to support a family on that kind of money? Is there anyone out there who thinks they could afford healthcare on 31k per year, a car, a vacation, cloths, save money for their retirement? This is the thinking of a job Czar. I was disappointed in Fareed Zackaria, he let Immelt skate, as usual.


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):
Is there anyone one out there who would want to work for that kind of money?

$31,000 per year? Where the hell do I sign up?! That would be a...significant...pay raise for me. My supervisor doesn't even make that.

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):
Is there anyone out there who thinks they could afford to support a family on that kind of money?

It might work, depending upon the amount of debt one is in. I know people who do it on less. It's tough, but doable.

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):
Is there anyone out there who thinks they could afford healthcare on 31k per year, a car, a vacation, cloths, save money for their retirement?

It's possible, but it would take a lot of sacrifice. I do that now (sans vacation and retirement), but I'm single and have quite a bit of debt.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

As someone who risks his life and those of others daily at work for a measly-not-guaranteed-rarely-a-40hr-a-week-work-week for a $15-an-hour-job-that-doesn't-even-get-me-$20k-a-year-AND-with-six-digits-in-student-loans, I find his statements insulting.

User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3585 times:
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I remember when that used to be a good wage and it wasn't that long ago.

While I like working overseas, I would much rather be back in the US, but there are just no jobs, especially for a 50 yr old welder!

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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):Is there anyone one out there who would want to work for that kind of money?
$31,000 per year? Where the hell do I sign up?! That would be a...significant...pay raise for me. My supervisor doesn't even make that.

In 1957, my first job as a machinist paid 60 dollars per week. straight time. That equaled 3120 dollars per year, One week of paid vacation. That was 54 years ago. I was single, right out of school. You are telling me that you earn less than ten times my starting pay 54 years ago? A CEO now earns about 400 times the average worker, and yours does not even equal 10 times my pay 54 years ago? $!5 per hour, as advocated by Immelt, is about 10 times what I started at 54 years ago, at a union shop. Wait, as they try to kill off unionism, it will only get worse. Tragic condiditions for the worker, lovely for the CEO. You have my sympathy. Your reward will come in Heaven, certainly not in the US.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
As someone who risks his life and those of others daily at work for a measly-not-guaranteed-rarely-a-40hr-a-week-work-week for a $15-an-hour-job-that-doesn't-even-get-me-$20k-a-year-AND-with-six-digits-in-student-loans, I find his statements insulting.

I find them enraging.

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 3):
I remember when that used to be a good wage and it wasn't that long ago.



A long time ago, in a universe far away.




While I like working overseas, I would much rather be back in the US, but there are just no jobs, especially for a 50 yr old welder!

Something is not quite right, are we whipped dogs, serfs once again? It would seems so. We have been had, by Republican's and Democrats, sold out, betrayed for a buck. Many on here, think this is good, just ask them.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25356 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

$15/hr sounds rather fair.

Considering the bulk of the economy does not require anything more than a high-school education.

Anyhow, $31,000/yr is higher than the median personal income in the US ($27,041) per the Census Bureau.
It would be about a nice 14.6% raise matter of fact.
Also the average US household income is barely $50,000 so if two people worked and could earn $15/hr they would be cruising along more than 20% higher than the average today.

Sounds like a wonderful outcome many Americans.



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

My pay isn't what it is because the company's CEO is greedy. I work in security and aside from a few select segments, it isn't a high paying job. My pay is based on what the client is willing to pay. Security guards are a dime a dozen and a company isn't going to pay top dollar for a labor force that can be replaced quickly. Simple supply and demand.

User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 7):
My pay isn't what it is because the company's CEO is greedy. I work in security and aside from a few select segments, it isn't a high paying job. My pay is based on what the client is willing to pay. Security guards are a dime a dozen and a company isn't going to pay top dollar for a labor force that can be replaced quickly. Simple supply and demand.

Make no mistake, I was not denigrating you, or your job. I was pointing out the mounting inequity of pay in the US. A Security Guard is in need of a living wage, as is a CEO.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):
Is there anyone one out there who would want to work for that kind of money?

You should ask everybody standing in unemployment lines. And a couple million Mexicans.

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):
Is there anyone out there who thinks they could afford to support a family on that kind of money?

Not likely with one income. People should save or wait until they are making more money before they do such things. You save to go on vacation or buy a house and you can save to have children too.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 5):
Something is not quite right, are we whipped dogs, serfs once again?

If you are uneducated and lack marketable skills, perhaps.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
In 1957, my first job as a machinist paid 60 dollars per week. straight time. That equaled 3120 dollars per year, One week of paid vacation. That was 54 years ago. I was single, right out of school. You are telling me that you earn less than ten times my starting pay 54 years ago?

Actually that's not so far out of line with what Immelt is proposing:
http://www.measuringworth.com/uscomp...1957&amount=3120&year_result=2010#
By the way, the best measure for this case is the consumer bundle, which only runs through 2009. The value of your 1954 wage in 2009? A whopping, comfortably middle class, buy a house with a picket fence, own a nice car, and have kids in the best schools while saving for retirement income of....$30,200!

But you needn't let facts get in the way of a good argument.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3642 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Welcome to the global economy.

BTW, whether or not $30k/yr is enough to live on in the US is entirely dependent on where you live. Many do just fine on that. I could even do it in San Jose but I own my house. It may also require giving up some of the frivolous things we have become accustomed to, such as $80 cell phone plans or $100 cable bills.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
You should ask everybody standing in unemployment lines. And a couple million Mexicans

Ho hum.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
By the way, the best measure for this case is the consumer bundle, which only runs through 2009. The value of your 1954 wage in 2009? A whopping, comfortably middle class, buy a house with a picket fence, own a nice car, and have kids in the best schools while saving for retirement income of....$30,200!

Enlighten me. 3k in "54", now equals 30K today? Roughly 10X my 54 pay? Using the Production worker scale?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
Enlighten me. 3k in "54", now equals 30K today? Roughly 10X my 54 pay? Using the Production worker scale?

The website I linked uses various metrics to measure inflation and translate the value of a given amount of money across a period of time. The consumer bundle is a particular measure that translates how a person might spend their money and how a wage compares to a different era, and by that metric, $3120 in 1957 is worth $30,200 in 2009. Other metrics like the unskilled wage and production worker compensation are not too far off from that. So that princely sum you were making in 1957 wasn't so princely after all.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 10):
Welcome to the global economy.

BTW, whether or not $30k/yr is enough to live on in the US is entirely dependent on where you live. Many do just fine on that. I could even do it in San Jose but I own my house. It may also require giving up some of the frivolous things we have become accustomed to, such as $80 cell phone plans or $100 cable bills.

My point exactly, that to me is what we have wrought with the global economy. Not us of course, but the movers and shakers and job creators, who have brought us to this point, where 30K is supposed to be something desirable as a wage. I alone make more than that in retirement, alone, not with my wife's retirement. I do not say this to brag, I say this to show where you younger folks are heading with the global economy. Down the tube. I was a blue collar worker, union.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
The website I linked uses various metrics to measure inflation and translate the value of a given amount of money across a period of time. The consumer bundle is a particular measure that translates how a person might spend their money and how a wage compares to a different era, and by that metric, $3120 in 1957 is worth $30,200 in 2009. Other metrics like the unskilled wage and production worker compensation are not too far off from that. So that princely sum you were making in 1957 wasn't so princely after all.

I would suggest that you reread my words. If I used or implied that 60 bucks a week was a Princely Sum in 1954, I would have to be on drugs. It was my first fulltime wage, and job. I was an apprentice in the machine industry, not a Master Tool maker. I stayed there for two years, and moved on to another field of work. You obviously read my words incorrectly. I was making a point about the growing unfairness of compensation between the have's( obviously you are one of those) and the have nots, the group with which I identify. Now back to 30K a year, which Immelt thinks will lead us back to glory in the US. It sucks. I made much, much more many years ago. Union. We are going backwards, which seems to be just fine to many on here. Not to me.

[Edited 2011-09-18 20:44:14]


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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

The CEO of General Electric and President's Obama's current "jobs czar" Jeffrey Immelt says that Americans should get used to working for $15 per hour - because there's millions of people around the world that will work for alot less than that amount.

Try saving for retirement and your kids education on $31,000 per year, Mr. Job Czar!! Well, you Mr. Immelt make over 500 times what the average American worker makes and your firm and your decisions are responsible for sending hundreds of thousands of American manufacturing jobs to Mexico and Asia. What a crock of crap!   

Immelt has no freakin' business lecturing American workers on their value to this nation when his company (GE) earned $5B profit with no corporate taxes. My head is going to explode!  

[Edited 2011-09-18 20:45:04]


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):
Is there anyone out there who thinks they could afford to support a family on that kind of money?

That's not how you decide these things ideally. First, one makes a stable income. Then, have a family if you can arrange your household to support that. Or if not, don't have kids. Or if you can't feed said kids, there are always food stamps.

Nobody said a job is handed to us, no matter what our grades in school, our skills, criminal record etc. I feel bad for the jobless. But there are ways out. Most jobless people would be glad to work for 15 dollars an hour, which is a pretty good wage compared to nothing. It's also an option to move to another place like North Dakota or other places with hot economies, like India. Certainly Jeff Immelt employs a lot of people. Last thing I will say is, GE is one of those Cadillac employers where everybody including labor makes around $100,000 and up. He is reflecting on the fact that GE can't compete globally like that, necessarily.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 15):
The CEO of General Electric and President's Obama's current "jobs czar" Jeffrey Immelt says that Americans should get used to working for $15 per hour - because there's millions of people around the world that will work for alot less than that amount.

Try saving for retirement and your kids education on $31,000 per year, Mr. Job Czar!! Well, you Mr. Immelt make over 500 times what the average American worker makes and your firm and your decisions are responsible for sending hundreds of thousands of American manufacturing jobs to Mexico and Asia. What a chock of crap!

Immelt has no freakin' business lecturing American workers on their value to this nation when his company (GE) earned $5B profit with no corporate taxes. My head is going to explode!

Amen brother, I could not have said it better. It is good to see someone is not accepting of the shit that is fed to us 24 hours a day, like mushrooms. Fed shit, and kept in the dark, and that policy has so many advocates on here.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
I find his statements insulting.

You might rather find GE's labor union positions insulting!

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 15):
Try saving for retirement and your kids education on $31,000 per year, Mr. Job Czar!!

Again, he doesn't have to, because he demonstrated he's very very skilled at running businesses... so he lives in the same world you and I do. He worked hard to get his job at GE and rise to the top. Wasn't handed to him by daddy.

If people want a six-figure lifestyle, there are ways to get there... it's not super easy... Americans seem to think it's either six fiigures or welfare/starving, like WarR1 for example...

To them I would say, running a household is a skill. Some people need $200k to run a household. Others need only $60k. $30k is not easy; that's why most wives have a full time job. If people want more income, there is always becoming an author, a board certified plastic surgeon, starting a computer company in your garage, etc.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
Nobody said a job is handed to us, no matter what our grades in school, our skills, criminal record etc. I feel bad for the jobless. But there are ways out. Most jobless people would be glad to work for 15 dollars an hour, which is a pretty good wage compared to nothing. It's also an option to move to another place like North Dakota or other places with hot economies, like India. Certainly Jeff Immelt employs a lot of people. Last thing I will say is, GE is one of those Cadillac employers where everybody including labor makes around $100,000 and up. He is reflecting on the fact that GE can't compete globally like that, necessarily.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news...nomy/poverty_rate_income/index.htm



My answer, to the bullshit excuses of American corporations and what they have visited on us.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

WarR1... is your solution to eliminate corporations... or what. Then where are jobs? Immelt is just saying point blank it makes no sense to pay semi-skilled workers $50/hr while millions of other people are jobless. At $15/hr way more families would have a job and be off the poverty rolls

User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
Again, he doesn't have to, because he demonstrated he's very very skilled at running businesses... so he lives in the same world you and I do. He worked hard to get his job at GE and rise to the top. Wasn't handed to him by daddy.
http://www.cleveland.com/business/in...e_ceo_jeffrey_immelt_saw_comp.html



He must not be a good budget man, to need this much to run his houshold. Others do it on 30k, 60k. He needs 15 million.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9208 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
$31,000 per year? Where the hell do I sign up?! That would be a...significant...pay raise for me. My supervisor doesn't even make that.

I'm right there with ya! I barely make 20 "G"s here. I have been working as a caregiver the last 2.5 years. I do have health and life insurance benefits, but that's about it. I guess I should prepare for another 2-some years where I'm at now. Apparently I'm still not good enough in my field, which is geography and planning. Even with a M.A. and two internships I guess all I am worth to anyone is less than that of sand...

Considering there are 200 people like me out there applying to the same jobs... When I do have an interview, for some reason I'm not outselling anyone else. There's always someone "better fit" for the job than me...

So yeah, $31k a year, sign me up. THAT would be a quantum leap up from where I'm at now...



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25356 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 13):
I say this to show where you younger folks are heading with the global economy. Down the tube. I was a blue collar worker, union.

And maybe this is the problem with where we are today.

As Americans we have priced ourselves out of work in too many industries.

Instead of taking that $15/hr wage we reached for the moon and demanded too much with the end result being simply not supportable when others can do the same job at a fraction of the pay.

America would not be outsourcing and fighting in the global economy is things like labor at home were at reasonable competitive rates.

At the end of the day, we only have ourselves to blame, not the China-man, Indian or Guatemalan that happily do the work for a price we refuse to.

I'm sorry, but the economy is like a pyramid, we cant all be at the top enjoying riches. There needs to be masses at the base to providing the physical work and services, and market dynamics, not union contracts need to decide what such work is truly worth in society.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 20):
WarR1... is your solution to eliminate corporations... or what. Then where are jobs? Immelt is just saying point blank it makes no sense to pay semi-skilled workers $50/hr while millions of other people are jobless. At $15/hr way more families would have a job and be off the poverty rolls

I am sure that is his main concern, yessiree. Is that what he was thinking when he just sent more work over to China. X Ray work , was it? It must be those greedy unions. Surely you are not that naive to believe this bull, they hand out? I remember that fine old GE guy Jack was it. I wonder if he is struggling to maintain his lifestyle, like we are?



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25 san747 : The first part of this is true- some households need more money than others to meet their needs, absolutely. The 2nd part is a little strange because
26 zhiao : While below avg, I say yes. Presumably, the healthcare benefit is already covered, as this is GE we are speaking about.
27 WarRI1 : We would not be for sure, our Corporations handed it all away for cheap labor, nothing else. We were the leaders in outsourcing our countries wealth,
28 zhiao : Personal Income includes people who do not work at all, and thus misleading. Medain full time year round wages per Census is actually $43000.
29 Superfly : Corporations and politicians of BOTH political parties.
30 WarRI1 : Immelt advocates this 30K for many millions of workers, many millions now do not have paid healthcare. The Republican's want to kill healthcare for t
31 WarRI1 : Absolutely, thanks for pointing that out.
32 LAXintl : We will never see eye to eye, however the reason companies have gone overseas is not because of some nastly ploy, or even stockholders. Its due ---- u
33 zhiao : Can be done, especially if the compensation outside the $30k wage already includes employer contributions to retirement plans. Also, the notion of sa
34 WarRI1 : My, my, eat humble pie, now that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, that humble pie. Is that what the US is noted for, eating humble pie? I have never
35 san747 : The reason no one is humble is because in this culture, we are constantly fed this myth that if we work hard and struggle, we can become rich, which
36 LAXintl : Truth hurts.... Immelt is only relaying reality. Either we accept it, or one goes on living with blinders failing to see the world has forever evolve
37 Post contains images BMI727 : You say that I'm the elitist but I'm not the one talking about how everyone is entitled to a job that pays a comfortable middle class wage even if th
38 Post contains images starac17 : If that $15 an hour is deemed a living wage, the minimum wage in Australia is about this because you can live off it and its doing just fine. If you
39 luv2fly : Though are you talking a living wage or a "Union wage" Because we are talking 2 different things.
40 windy95 : No we want to pay for our own healthcare... A husband and wife both making this will make for pretty easy living in most areas..Minus all the frivolo
41 N867DA : I think the good man from General Electric is trying to tell his countrymen that their standard of living is going to drop significantly, and that get
42 WarRI1 : Like the old Dire Straights song, Balogna again. This is the corporate version, you eat Bologna, while I eat anything that 16 million will buy. Comic
43 steeler83 : I pretty much do this already. Frankly, I'm on the verge of declaring myself insane. I'm already in therapy because of my job. Yesterday, I had to he
44 windy95 : In the whole scheme of things what the CEO makes is minor. But what a good CEO or CFO produces can be very good for everyone invloved in the company.
45 WarRI1 : Trust me Laddie, I can afford to do anything I want to, even in retirement. I earned my living in the days prior to the global economy. Immelt advoca
46 WarRI1 : The old fall back line for the advocates. Jealousy and envy. Might one have the possible thought that ONE MIGHT HAVE SOME BALLS. I guess that is a te
47 WarRI1 : Desperate times, desperate measures. Immelt and his buddies, brought on the desperate times that you are enjoying.[Edited 2011-09-19 09:11:47][Edited
48 windy95 : Yes the advocates for people who are successful in their life's work..Not jealous of their life's work. Once again what that CEO makes is minimal in
49 WarRI1 : Once again, let us be original, thoughtful. The unions try to help people. The corporations have never been known for helping people, exploiting peop
50 windy95 : you post this and then have the nerve to post this.. There is nothing thoughtful or original about your Corporate greed, pro union, anti CEO rhetoric.
51 Mir : Sorry, cell phones and internet aren't frivolous anymore. They're pretty much necessities. Try getting a job without an email address that you can't
52 N867DA : Income inequality leads to societal problems. A symptom of increasing income inequality is the growing ratio between the common worker and CEO compen
53 FlyPNS1 : Except most CEO's are neither leaders nor innovators. They're just people with the right connections, hence why most don't deserve the big payouts. S
54 andz : Not only that. I have worked for a GE distributor for over 15 years and products that all used to be manufactured in or around Milwaukee are now made
55 steeler83 : I read about that schmuck. I think I'd trust a cockroach before I trust this guy. Oh wait... maybe not considering congress is loaded with cockroache
56 Post contains images san747 : That's the thing- everyone's idea of success is different, definitely. But if one doesn't have a solid goal for what they consider success, then abso
57 Flighty : This, about a guy who basically tries to employ as many people as possible in the country. If GE offered you a job, would you turn it down because yo
58 Post contains images ShyFlyer : I didn't take it as such, so no worries! I you'll find no disagreement from me on this. The issue, though, it what constitutes a "living wage." I liv
59 WarRI1 : In an office, who would? In a shop, I guess that proves my point about who has balls, and who does not. No offense to the ladies.
60 WarRI1 : NBC did a piece tonight on a manufacturer from Alabama who is shifting part of his work back to the US. Rising prices, rising labor costs, shoddy wor
61 WarRI1 : Always good to read a wise reply about who is screwing us and the US over.
62 WarRI1 : Only you can make that kind of decision, what you are satisfied with, what you consider a living wage. You against the company. In a union enviroment
63 starac17 : Well the media sold it as a much more expensive and less efficient type of health care that would cost people more than the status quo, it would lead
64 ShyFlyer : Possibly. The city employs security guards and they are unionized. They don't get paid much more than I do.
65 WarRI1 : That is possible, do they get benefits, that would raise their level of compensation? At the very least, you have protection from discrimination, not
66 steeler83 : If GE offered me a job, I'd be thrilled and take it in a heartbeat. I'm already doing something I'm over-qualified for. I guess I was quite irrationa
67 BMI727 : That's a problem for shareholders not the government. If you have a problem with some company's executive compensation, don't put your money there. I
68 StarAC17 : PNS never said a thing about the government in reply 53.
69 Post contains links Ken777 : For a long time the Middle Class in the US made a decent wage and, because of that, the country was very successful. Take a close look at those years
70 gigneil : This thread reeks of entitlement. And when you get me to say something like that, you can bet that its a bunch of bs. That being said, you just wait u
71 windy95 : But your health care costs should still come first. I should not have to pay for someones health care so they can have a cell phone with a wireless/I
72 luv2fly : Nailed it. I have to agree 110% if not more.
73 steeler83 : If you ask me, neither party really has a clue. The GOP will hand out tax credits to the wealthy with the intent that they'll in turn invest in their
74 WarRI1 : When you work for a company, it does not mean that you have to surrender your body parts. A man should have two of those parts, in my opinion. An ama
75 Geezer : I have only read a few posts so far, but I'd like to point out one thing, relative to "wages"; wages........what we earn for working for "someone else
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