Flight Level From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1585 times:
From the getgo when Bin Laden began his terrorism spree (the first of which was the bombing of the embassies in Africa), I had always thought that it would have been stupid of him to be hanging out in the "obvious" countries i.e. Iraq, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan. I had always thought that he and his fellow leaders were hanging out in Western European countries like Austria, Switzerland, Germany, France, and England. I took the initiative and went to research this. I first traveled to the Arab parts of London, where I was shocked. There were book stores on every corner filled with books of preaching martyrdom and the advancement of the Islamic spirit. The shadow of Al Qaeda was very strong here. Then it was onto France and Switzerland, where I found the same radical beliefs and ideas. German Muslims had a very negative stance towards the US as well. I would not be surprised if within the next year, a major terror strike took place in one of these countries. Your thoughts?
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1557 times:
One Star. I knew instantly this post probably had valid opinions that certain people would "not agree with".
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
Rai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1550 times:
I don't know if I'd go that far. Not because they don't view the EU as a target, but they are also under heavy surveillance there as well. A lot of things have changed after 9-11. Prior to that, these groups would pretty much go unnoticed. I don’t think that will be the case anymore. And to back your theory up, CNN was reporting the Big Ben was a target on 9-11. The would-be terrorists were caught in India. The reason that operation failed is because they didn’t expect the BAA to ground any flights.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12703 posts, RR: 80 Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1540 times:
France has had plenty of experience in dealing with Islamic extremists, the UK has to a lesser extent. German security forces have broken several terrorist cells over the years.
Yes there are extremists living in the EU, as long as they commit no crimes there is not a lot can can be done about it.
What about the Neo-Nazi groups in the US? Living in 'communities' armed to the teeth, to European sensibilities that is just as offensive as hate-filled Islamic extremists.
Maybe it seems that the EU is somehow soft on Bin-Laden followers due to some firebrands spitting bile, I would ask US citizens how they thought UK citizens felt about guns and money for the IRA coming from the US?
Flight Level From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1539 times:
Last time I checked, the only crime Neo Nazis in the US had commited was maybe stoning some Jewish people in a parade. I really don't know jack squat about the IRA. Could you please explain why the US gave money to the IRA?
Rai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
Since someone brought up Neo-Nazism, what about the Neo-Nazi groups in Europe. I saw this skinhead ralley in Stockholm. And what about the countless attacks by skinhead groups on MUSLIMS in Germany?
Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1537 times:
Rest assured, Islamic extreemists are everywhere. They all have one thing in common, they hate the west and it's infidels. The more people realize this, the more we will come closer to ridding the world of these fanatics. The sooner the better. Remember this, they want you DEAD! Are you going to let them do it to you?
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12703 posts, RR: 80 Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1514 times:
The point I was trying to make was that many Americans seem to think that every one else is either soft on terrorism or fellow-travellers.
Well some other nations have extensive experience combating terrorism over many years.
'Don't know jack squat about the IRA', that says it all. So we have to subvert our laws to suit the US, (such as the farcical 'case' against Lofti Raissi, the so-called hijackers training pilot that wasn't), but getting terrorists with murder convictions extradited from the US was difficult, often unsuccessful.
Wasn't Tim McVeigh linked to at least one US Nazi organisation?
Before critising EU nations, look at the idiot Ashcroft is making of himself, and the US government.
The 'dirty bomber', then there was no plot, no material, not much of anything really. Of course if he has been through Bin-Laden's camps he should be at least very closely watched.
But why the big fanfare about him? With so much about him still unknown?
Then there is the history of the US and Islamic extremists, Lebanon 1983-the US took losses and pulled out, 1985-87-gave arms to Iran to get some hostages released, Somalia 1993-took losses and pulled out, 1998-after the African Embassy bombs just chucked a few cruise missiles here and there.
So who is it who has been soft on terrorism again?
Now put yourself in Bin-Laden's shoes, what does that tell you?
Maybe that the US maybe lacked the will to combat terrorist threats? Or that the very least had very poor intelligence assets ranged against Al-Queda.
Oversimplified of course, but zealots like Bin-Laden often see things simply.
Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1488 times:
Ha! GDB you need to tell that to all the dead crusty Al-Qaeda corpses rotting in Afgahnistan. Yeah I guess we(the U.S. and British troops)) are soft on terrorism.
ClipperH
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 18 Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1481 times:
Flight Level,
I agree with you. There's a very strong Islamic fundamentist mentality growing in Europe. My relatives in Germany have told me some horrific stories about some of the encounters they've had there.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1492 times:
I agree with flight level. There is bound to be a terrorist attack in europe, the likeliest place being the UK for our help to the US folks. Germany and France are second in line probably. Planes were supposed to be hijacked from Heathrow on september 11th and flown into Big Ben simultaneously with the attacks in New York, but something happened and the plot was averted thankfully. But i get this feeling there is a high chance of a major attack in western europe in the future, i hope it doesn't happen, but it's inevitable.
Krushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1473 times:
In Spain it is not the Islamic fundamentalists that worry us. We have our own Basque nationalist-marxist-leninist group, ETA. Just two days ago, a terrorist was caught a few miles from my house, he had just buried 150 kilos of explosive in a forest nearby for future actions.
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1462 times:
Arsenal is correct, IMO. The most likely targets for terrorism in Europe will be those that support the USA the most, namely Britain.
ClipperHawaii is re-printing too much US government supplied rhetoric - the Islamic extremists don't have nearly the problem with the rest of the West as they do with the USA. Arabs die almost every day with Israeli bullets supplied by America - it is this that unites the Arab world against the USA. It is American policy [in re: Israel] that creates a widespread anti-American sentiment among everyday Arabs and many Muslims which in turn gives tacit sanction and sometimes outright support to the extremist elements that promote terrorism.
Yes, there are some of the most extreme Arab and Muslim groups that want to see the West destroyed. However, it is only US policy in the ME that guarantees them the grassroots support that they need to survive, prosper, gain new recruits, and prosecute their war.
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