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F1 2011: Japanese Grand Prix Suzuka  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10738 posts, RR: 38
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

I see there is not yet a thread for the 2011 Japanese Grand Prix.... so let's GO!!

The time difference with Japan makes the practices, qualifyings and race at weird times for us in Europe, namely night time and very early morning... 7.00 AM my time.

Latest news: qualifyings resuts

Invincible Sebastian Vettel snatches Pole from Jenson Button.

Vettel took advantage of a mistake from Lewis Hamilton - crossing the line a few seconds after the chequered flag fell - to snatch pole, with Button setting a time just 0.009s slower for second place. Hamilton starts third despite the error, alongside Felipe Massa, with Fernando Alonso fifth and Mark Webber sixth.

1 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'30.466
2 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'30.475
3 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'30.617
4 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'30.804
5 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'30.886
6 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'31.156
7 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes-Benz 1'32.116
8 B Senna (BRA) Renault 1'32.297
9 V Petrov (RUS) Renault 1'32.245
10 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'32.380
11 A Sutil (GER) Force India 1'32.463
12 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'32.746
13 RG Barrichello (BRA) Williams 1'33.079
14 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'33.224
15 S Buemi (SUI) Toro Rosso 1'33.227
16 J Alguersuari (ESP) Toro Rosso 1'33.427
17 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'34.704
18 H Kovalainen (FIN) Lotus 1'35.454
19 J Trulli (ITA) Lotus 1'35.514
20 J d'Ambrosio (BEL) Virgin 1'36.439
21 T Glock (GER) Virgin 1'36.507
22 D Ricciardo (AUS) HRT 1'37.846
23 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes-Benz -
24 V Liuzzi (ITA) HRT -

From Ferrari:
Both Ferrari men performed well, especially Felipe Massa, who took a great fourth place, less than four tenths off the pole time. Having aborted his first run after going off the track at Spoon curve, Fernando Alonso managed to snatch fifth place, just a few hundredths behind his team-mate, putting him ahead of Mark Webber.

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formu...r-than-expected-in-qualifying.aspx

From Sauber (via Twitter)
#Kamui rewards the fans and the team with P10. Awesome. Checo P17 due to car failure. big thanks to the outstanding crowd!

Let's not miss out on the race. For Europe it will be early tomorrow morning.

Go Kamui!!! Go Schumi!!! Go Hammy!!! and all the others too!!!

... and last but not least, Bernie Ecclestone decided to donate 3000 free seats for those affected by the earthquake, the tsunami and the Fukushima disaster to attend the race on Sunday. Thank you Bernie. Such a nice gesture.

Go Japan!!!!!

              

[Edited 2011-10-08 00:14:01]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10738 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

Some people asking if Kamui is 10th or 7th. At the moment he is showing 10th in official timings but there is some discussion because Schumacher, Senna and Petrov also set no time in Q3.

Latest:
There is no official grid yet but Renault has said they agree that Kamui should be in 7th as he did go out with the intention of setting a quick lap while their two drivers and Michael Schumacher did not.

  



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2542 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1304 times:
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Thank you for starting this thread. It was indeed an amazing performance by Kobayashi today. He could well be "the best driver that Formula 1 has ever produced", according to Murray Walker (he once gave Ukyo Katayama that title, meaning to say that he was the best driver Japan has ever produced  )

Tomorrow's race is going to be tough. It does seem as though McLaren have well and truly caught up with Red Bull. If this race was held at the beginning of the year, Red Bull would've walked away with an easy win, as fast corners were where Red Bull truly excelled. Now, McLaren is right up there with them.

Still ... go Sebastian!   I hope he can wrap up the title in Japan to become the youngest ever double world champion.   



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5610 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1300 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Some people asking if Kamui is 10th or 7th

Not sure how there can be any real discussion over this.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Schumacher, Senna and Petrov also set no time in Q3

But they were faster in Q2

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
There is no official grid yet but Renault has said they agree that Kamui should be in 7th as he did go out with the intention of setting a quick lap while their two drivers and Michael Schumacher did not.

How can the "intent" make a difference.. indeed he tried to go faster and failed.
Be happy with 10th KK!!



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User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Latest:
There is no official grid yet but Renault has said they agree that Kamui should be in 7th as he did go out with the intention of setting a quick lap while their two drivers and Michael Schumacher did not.

If he intended to do a lap then why didn't he?

I think the qualifying rules should be changed soon. If 4 out of 10 drivers making it to Q3 decides it's better to save tires than set a time, theres something wrong.

/Lars



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Some people asking if Kamui is 10th or 7th. At the moment he is showing 10th in official timings but there is some discussion because Schumacher, Senna and Petrov also set no time in Q3.

It's 7th. The rules are clearly shown in this article.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95173

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
How can the "intent" make a difference.. indeed he tried to go faster and failed.
Be happy with 10th KK!!

Unlike the other drivers, he started a flying lap which places him ahead of them in the queue for high grid spots. Why he didn't complete it, I'm not sure.


User currently onlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2643 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1266 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 4):
I think the qualifying rules should be changed soon. If 4 out of 10 drivers making it to Q3 decides it's better to save tires than set a time, theres something wrong.

        

The solution is actually quite simple. Impose a 5 grid place penalty for any driver who doesn't set a qualifying time in each session to which he participates in. In addition, the lap to be an official qualifying lap must also be within the 107% rule of the Q3 pole position time.

Also, why is Hammy such a crybaby now about his being "passed" by both Weber and Schumacher on his out lap. He and his team ficked it up so time to man-up and not cry about it.

[Edited 2011-10-08 07:42:59]

User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2542 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1254 times:
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Quoting photopilot (Reply 6):
The solution is actually quite simple. Impose a 5 grid place penalty for any driver who doesn't set a qualifying time in each session to which he participates in. In addition, the lap to be an official qualifying lap must also be within the 107% rule of the Q3 pole position time.

So if a driver happens to suffer a mechanical fault (hydraulics problem, for instance) and can't run because of that ... they get a 5 grid spot penalty? Doesn't sound fair to me.

They could just remove the limits on sets of tyres and allow the teams to use as many sets as they want ...



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User currently onlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2643 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 7):
So if a driver happens to suffer a mechanical fault (hydraulics problem, for instance) and can't run because of that ... they get a 5 grid spot penalty? Doesn't sound fair to me.

You need to brush up on your F1 rules a little. If a car suffered a mechanical fault and couldn't run, they would STILL have to start from the Pit Row because of the Parc Ferme rules. A mechanical failure (or crash in Q3) results in the car starting from pit lane. I'm proposing a 5 grid-place penalty if the team CHOOSES to not run a lap in Q3, but still would otherwise take a place on the grid as it's not a Parc Ferme type situation. Big difference.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

I really thinlk the rules will be changed for next year regarding Q3. If there is no issue with the car all drivers should be forced to set a time in Q3. And not just an installation lap but a time that at least what they did in Q2 or better. Pretty lame to see cars just sitting in the pits doing nothing. D.C was right when he said that the fans does not come to see cars sit in the garage during quali.
Up bright and early tomorrow at this part of the globe.  



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17005 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

Vettel did it again however the gap isnt big. It seems that McLaren have caught up with RBR.


I never thought I would say this, but I hope Vettel wins tomorrow. It would be a nice way to clinch the WDC.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10738 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Friend and devout Ferrari fan Hitoshi Horie is spending the 3 days at the Suzuka GP as he does every year. I asked him for pictures. No doubt he will send some. I will see what comes.

  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10738 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Lap 40 Schumi Number One!!!!

Go Schumiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!

        

Lap 46 Schumi is in the back in 6th place after he had to pit.

Jenson is leading the race then Alonso and Vettel.

What an exciting race!!!

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[Edited 2011-10-09 00:24:41]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10738 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

SEBASTIAN VETTEL IS THE 2011 WORLD CHAMPION

Congrats to Sebastian - a well deserved Second F1 World Championship Title in a row at just 24 Years old!!

Jenson Button wins the Japanese Grand Prix

1 Great Britain J Button McLaren
2 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
3 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
4 Australia M Webber Red Bull
5 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
6 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
7 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
8 Mexico S Perez Sauber
9 Russian Federation V Petrov Renault
10 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
11 Germany A Sutil Force India
12 Great Britain P Di Resta Force India
13 Japan K Kobayashi Sauber
14 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
15 Venezuela P Maldonado Williams
16 Brazil B Senna Renault
17 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
18 Finland H Kovalainen Lotus
19 Italy J Trulli Lotus
20 Germany T Glock Virgin
21 Belgium J d'Ambrosio Virgin
22 Australia D Ricciardo Hispania
23 Italy V Liuzzi Hispania
24 Switzerland S Buemi (ret.) Toro Rosso

My dream of Schumi on the podium will be just a dream...

Congratulations again to Sebastian Vettel - the invincible F1 World Champion!!



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

Congrats to Vettel..he drove superbly this season. And once again Jenson shows results on the track..I wonder what excuse Hamilton will have this time around.

Nice to see a Ferrari on the podium..but seriously though Massa needs to retire. WTH was that..colliding with Hamilton again and losing places to Schumacher?! He seems to have lost it after that accident a couple of years ago...

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
My dream of Schumi on the podium will be just a dream...

Unfortunately he doesnt really have the car to challenge the Red Bulls or the Mclarens. And Ferrari seem to have improved their car in the last few races.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1135 times:

At what point do we find an F1 driver who doesn't know how to operate a clutch?

What I love about Suzuka is that it was on the classic '80s arcade game "Pole Position"



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12042 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1108 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 14):
I wonder what excuse Hamilton will have this time around.

You mean apart from one very slow lap with a puncture?


Congrats to Vettel, a well deserved title and never in doubt.



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User currently onlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2643 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

Congrats to Vettel on a well deserved 2nd World Championship.

Alonso drove well getting the most out of the Ferrari but Button was outstanding in his drive AND he kept his head when he fell behind at the start.

Jenson Button deserves to be designated McLaren's Number One driver next year with Hamilton in a supporting role. Hammy needs to talk to Weber and learn how to say....."Not bad for a number two driver, eh"  


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2542 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1082 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
SEBASTIAN VETTEL IS THE 2011 WORLD CHAMPION

Yes! 

Youngest ever double world champion in the history of the sport. Fantastic!



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1072 times:

Congrats to Vettel for taking his second title. He is very much a worthy winner.

Feel free flame me but I really think Hamilton needs to review his driving as of lately cause this is going no where. He is not title holder for nothing.

Will be funny to see Vettel keep on attacking the last races remaining just to rub in even more.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1037 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 16):
You mean apart from one very slow lap with a puncture?

You mean the one where he held up Massa who almost collided with him (again)?

But he did make up that deficit didn't he?



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 14):
.I wonder what excuse Hamilton will have this time around.

He had his period.


User currently onlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2750 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 994 times:

Congrats to Vettel for his second WDC title!

Now let's see if he can beat Mansell's pole record  



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2542 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 988 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 22):
Now let's see if he can beat Mansell's pole record

Or if he can equal Schumacher's win per season record  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10738 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 974 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 22):
Now let's see if he can beat Mansell's pole record

and let's see if he can equal Schumi's 7 F1 World Champion titles.

                    

Some really outstanding pictures in this gallery with the two Mercedes GP Petronas drivers at Suzuka

http://www3.mercedes-gp.com/en/#/s/g...ntag:+Die+besten+Bilder+aus+Suzuka

I hope Schumi will stay in F1 many more years... with a better car.

A Red Bull for Schumi!!!!

  



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25 Post contains images sf260 : Congrats to Vettel! A pity D'Ambrosio finished behind Glock in the race, while being faster than Glock during the rest of the weekend... (a mistake in
26 sudden : As per the commercial he should start using Always Ultra cause that solves all your problems and makes you day so great!
27 Post contains images GrahamHill : This too! Question is (for both the pole and win records): with the WDC in the bag, will he have enough motivation? This will depend on his career ch
28 Post contains links photopilot : OMG.... now Hamilton is blaming his mirrors for the newest incident with Massa. According to Auto123.com, ""The only thing I have to say is that I can
29 CXB77L : What Hamilton says about mirrors has been reiterated by most drivers, including Brundle and Coulthard. They are so ridiculously small that drivers don
30 sudden : I actually think he will keep on taking pole/winning just to rub it in even more.
31 Post contains images scbriml : Hardly an "idiot Hamilton" problem. And yet it happens all along the field in just about every race, quite often because... Or outside in Massa's cas
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