SOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 17 Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1923 times:
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Deal reached to free captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, Israel and Hamas say.
Militants took Shalit after tunneling into Israel and attacking an Israeli army outpost, killing two soldiers.
Since then, he has been held incommunicado by Hamas, the movement that controls the Palestinian territory of Gaza. There have been ongoing attempts to broker a deal to release Shalit, and they have failed.
washingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1901 times:
About time...Five years of holding a 19-year old hostage...In exchange for 1,000 prisoners. That, in a nutshell, is the difference between Israel and the Palestinians.
Glad to see Egypt playing a positive role in all this.
TheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2346 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1898 times:
Quoting SOBHI51 (Thread starter): Deal reached to free captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, Israel and Hamas say.
Fingers crossed that this leads to some "good will" between the two sides, and further advances the difficult processes into peace talks.
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racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4838 posts, RR: 21 Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1882 times:
Interesting that they'll release Barghouti...can't really make sense of this, neither Hamas nor Israel (nor even Abbas, not that he had any say in it) would benefit from it.
Cadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1408 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1801 times:
As someone who is staunchly pro-Israel, I am happy that Gilad Shalit is being released, but also extremely pained at what Israel is giving up...1000 useless terrorists who should have all been killed at the time they were captured. They are just going to go back to Gaza and plot more attacks against Israel.
I'm sorry, but one soldier is not worth 1000 terrorists.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1788 times:
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 6): .1000 useless terrorists who should have all been killed at the time they were captured
I see, you happen to know all the facts and that every single one of those "useless terrorists" were actually indeed terrorists. Many who have been held w/out being charged or tried for anything. I see.
WarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6493 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1785 times:
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 6): I'm sorry, but one soldier is not worth 1000 terrorists.
Unless you are the soldier, who is alive, and has spent five years as a prisoner. Who can speak for him? Not you, not I.
It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
Cadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1408 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1769 times:
WarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6493 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1761 times:
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 9): There hasn't been proof of that in a couple years.
Well, we have to assume he is, if this rumor, or rumors of a deal are true.
It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
wn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1713 times:
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 6):
I'm sorry, but one soldier is not worth 1000 terrorists.
Not to make too light of it, but I for one am willing to bet that, proffienciency wise, he is indeed worth a 1000 or more terrorists. That's the thing with most terrorists... The people they are most dangerous to are themselves, statistically anyway...
Cadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1408 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 12):
Just saw him on TV, is this enough proof?
The problem with TV is that video can be doctored. Heck, with the right equipment and know-how, I can make a video of myself having lunch with JFK.
I will believe he is alive and well when I see him in a warm embrace with his family.
Sorry if I seem cynical, but Hamas isn't exactly known for honesty.
TheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2346 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1691 times:
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 13): I can make a video of myself having lunch with JFK.
I'm sure that the authorities have made the appropriate investigations as to whether he is alive or dead by now.
Do you really think, all these high ranking Israeli officials, from Bibi, right down the line, would be involved in discussions like these, if they didn't have conclusive evidence that he was !
[Edited 2011-10-12 02:30:48]
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racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4838 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1682 times:
The Israeli government isn't stupid. I'm sure the deal will be arranged with a trustee in the middle, i.e. Shalit handed over to Egypt, the prisoners handed over to Egypt, they make sure everything's fine, then transfer them to their destination.
TheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2346 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1603 times:
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 6): I'm sorry, but one soldier is not worth 1000 terrorists.
Really ?
Well that depends entirely on who's opinion you listen too, because this "deal" has a way to go before anyone is released.
And according to reports from the LA Times, both sides are now reflecting, on exactly what they have had to "give up" in order to get to this stage.
"Initial jubilation over the impending prisoner swap between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas began to dampen Wednesday as people on both sides expressed concerns that their leaders may have given away too much at the negotiating table."
Quoting racko (Reply 15): The Israeli government isn't stupid.
Again, that very much depends on who your inclined to listen too. Plenty of Israelis think there Gov is stupid for agreeing to this deal, they feel its way to generous in favor of the Palestinians
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Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1437 times:
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16): Again, that very much depends on who your inclined to listen too. Plenty of Israelis think there Gov is stupid for agreeing to this deal, they feel its way to generous in favor of the Palestinians
Cross fingers that Israel does not now decide to even up the numbers by re-arresting 999 of those released. Then again, "how to start an new intifada" is likely one of the documents right on top of Bibi's desk drawer.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1437 times:
Hamas has handed over Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit to Egyptian mediators after five years' captivity, as part of a prisoner swap deal with Israel, Hamas officials have told the BBC.
Springbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7): I see, you happen to know all the facts and that every single one of those "useless terrorists" were actually indeed terrorists.
However, our correspondent adds, Israel has paid a high price for Sgt Shalit's freedom. Many of the Palestinians being released were serving life for killing Israelis with bombs and bullets.
Cadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1408 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1371 times:
Quoting Baroque (Reply 18): Cross fingers that Israel does not now decide to even up the numbers by re-arresting 999 of those released.
They won't need to. A good number will probably blow themselves up in terrorist attacks (or be shot by IDF/police to stop attacks), and those that aren't may jusr "disappear."
SFBdude From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1360 times:
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1): About time...Five years of holding a 19-year old hostage...In exchange for 1,000 prisoners. That, in a nutshell, is the difference between Israel and the Palestinians.
Glad to see Egypt playing a positive role in all this.
Doesn't matter if your 19 or 50. This guy was part of the IDF so to a lot of people, he was considered the terrorist.
Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1934 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1345 times:
Quoting SFBdude (Reply 23): Doesn't matter if your 19 or 50. This guy was part of the IDF so to a lot of people, he was considered the terrorist.
Then "a lot of people" don't know the definition of the word, terrorist.
In that spirit, I'm going to call the people who call IDF terrorists, terrorists. Makes sense.
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25 SFBdude: You've probably already considered those people terrorists anyways..
26 TheCommodore: Well, I can see some parallels between the IDF and this definition of "terrorist". Sure plenty of others can too ! http://www.thefreedictionary.com/t
27 GDB: Nice for his family I guess. Still, this is on the watch on an Israeli PM who has not been slow to criticise other governments in not being strong on
28 Baroque: So I suppose you have an explanation that about 150 Palestinian children down to 12 years in age are in Israeli military prisons for stone throwing.
29 SOBHI51: Also let's not forget all those under administrative arrest, no charges and no limit for the time they are arrested.
30 Baroque: Now it is at http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3343068.htm Yet with more than 160 Palestinian children in Israeli jails, children's righ
31 Cadet985: They are warned not to, and they throw stones anyway. No problem with them being in jail. Marc
33 SOBHI51: And the administrative arrests with no court appearences and no charges? In the USA do you jail 12-14 years old for throwing a stone? I don't think s
34 Aesma: Gilad Shalit is also French so this is big news here. Some politicians surely will try to gain something from this, but apparently it can work for bot
35 Asturias: I'm sure you can. One can see parallels between apples and oranges too. It's a common, but fundamentally a logical error. Dogs have four legs. That t
36 SOBHI51: Of course you don't see that, but shooting little children, women, using illegal ammunition in the war in Gaza, attacking civilian ships outside Isra
37 TheCommodore: The "actual" definitions were given in the links provided. You obviously didn't read them. The Israelis have be "warned" to STOP building settlements
38 lewis: Yep, that sounds like a terrorist to me. This should also be implemented in the US. Imagine a walk in the park and a mother telling her child not to
39 N537FX: Honestly, what else do you expect to happen when you throw stones at people with guns and big weapons?? Israel is not quite a normal country, if i we
40 SOBHI51: So she gets a free hand to treat Palestinians the way they do and grab lands belonging to them? Sorry that should not be allowed. And since when do y
41 N537FX: I'm not saying Israel is in the right here. But as parents, they have the responsibility to protect the safety and well being of their children. Turn
42 Springbok747: Ok..kids generally don't listen to their parents. But this is a different situation. The outcome is known..throw rocks at the IDF = get arrested, or
43 Cadet985: It does NOT belong to the Palestinians until a treaty is signed formally handing it over. Additionally, there is no such place as Palestine. The West
44 TheCommodore: Ahhhhh, So that's the reason why Israel continues to build..... No treaty, just more settlements. Sounds fair to you ? Not by a long shot. Oh come on
45 lewis: Honestly, going to jail without a trial and the parents not being notified of the location where the children are taken is not what I expect. And the
46 777way: Yes but you better see and read every link he has added in favour of the occupier, and those posted in favour of Palestine will be called "propaganda
47 Asturias: You obviously don't understand them. I know the definition of terrorsm, in fact it's quite correct in pretty much all dictionary references. You're c
48 Quokka: Such hyperbole. Meanwhile, those who shoot dead school girls fetching the milk are such heroes. I almost melt at the thought of how brave they are. K
49 Asturias: Indeed you can, and you can also miss the point as easily as engage in hyperbole it seems. Again; hybperbole: Not hyperbole, since it is qualified: M
50 Quokka: Despite the other people calling out to the driver to stop. Look, I know that in your eyes the Israelis can do no wrong compared to the Palestinians.
51 777way: Probably realised how wriong his country is but couldnt say much else to prevent agitating his countrymen.
52 DeltaMD90: The sooner both sides realize that they're partly responsible for this mess the sooner a sensible solution can be worked out. As simple as this sounds
53 TheCommodore: Thank you for your advice, but I understand them very well. What I said was, is that I can see "similarities" Do the Israelis have the right to build
54 N537FX: Israel is carrying out this policy that may be extreme. They say to the Palestinians, the longer you wait to come to an arrangement, the more of the w
55 Cadet985: THANK-YOU! There never was a country called Palestine. The West Bank was land captured from Jordan, and Gaza was captured from Egypt. Israel had at o
56 SFBdude: So you think Palestine is a myth? There were never any Palestinian people, no Palestinian currency, etc?
57 Cadet985: The people living there can call themselves whatever they want, but "Palestine" never existed until the 1967 war when Israel captured the lands from J
58 SFBdude: Again, property deeds, currency, so on and so forth, mean nothing to you?
59 Baroque: This is beyond a bloody joke. PALESTINE Wiki: The British Mandate for Palestine, also known as the Palestine Mandate, The British Mandate of Palestine
60 DeltaMD90: ...you may be technically correct, but remember that the concepts of countries as we know them today are fairly new (within the last few centuries.)
61 777way: The above needed to be pointed out. Which means all of Palestine was to become Israel, or just some of it???
62 Baroque: If you go back to the Balfour declaration the original words do not envisage an Israel as for example Bibi and various a.net posters seem to think. F
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