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Gilad Shalit Soon To BE Released?  
User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2284 times:
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Accoeding to CNN

From: BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com
To: textbreakingnews@ema3lsv06.turner.com
Sent: 10/11/2011 10:06:15 P.M. Arab Standard Time
Subj: CNN Breaking News


Deal reached to free captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, Israel and Hamas say.

Militants took Shalit after tunneling into Israel and attacking an Israeli army outpost, killing two soldiers.

Since then, he has been held incommunicado by Hamas, the movement that controls the Palestinian territory of Gaza. There have been ongoing attempts to broker a deal to release Shalit, and they have failed.

Also The Egyptian media says Egypt played a big role in the above (in Arabic)
http://www.egynews.net/wps/portal/news?params=143311


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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

About time...Five years of holding a 19-year old hostage...In exchange for 1,000 prisoners. That, in a nutshell, is the difference between Israel and the Palestinians.

Glad to see Egypt playing a positive role in all this.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Thread starter):
Deal reached to free captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, Israel and Hamas say.

Fingers crossed that this leads to some "good will" between the two sides, and further advances the difficult processes into peace talks.   



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Interesting that they'll release Barghouti...can't really make sense of this, neither Hamas nor Israel (nor even Abbas, not that he had any say in it) would benefit from it.

User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2204 times:
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Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1):
Five years of holding a 19-year old hostage...In exchange for 1,000 prisoners

The other side is not the innocent either. Lets be honest here.



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User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1):
Five years of holding a 19-year old hostage

Five years? And for how many decades have the Israelis been holding Palestinians, many of whom are child detainees, without charge?

As aforementioned by SOBHI, we rarely hear the other side of the story.

Nevertheless, this release is a positive for the families concerned.


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

As someone who is staunchly pro-Israel, I am happy that Gilad Shalit is being released, but also extremely pained at what Israel is giving up...1000 useless terrorists who should have all been killed at the time they were captured. They are just going to go back to Gaza and plot more attacks against Israel.

I'm sorry, but one soldier is not worth 1000 terrorists.

Marc


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 6):
.1000 useless terrorists who should have all been killed at the time they were captured

I see, you happen to know all the facts and that every single one of those "useless terrorists" were actually indeed terrorists. Many who have been held w/out being charged or tried for anything. I see.   



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 6):
I'm sorry, but one soldier is not worth 1000 terrorists.

Unless you are the soldier, who is alive, and has spent five years as a prisoner. Who can speak for him? Not you, not I.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 8):
who is alive

There hasn't been proof of that in a couple years.

Marc


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 9):
There hasn't been proof of that in a couple years.

Well, we have to assume he is, if this rumor, or rumors of a deal are true.



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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 6):

I'm sorry, but one soldier is not worth 1000 terrorists.

Not to make too light of it, but I for one am willing to bet that, proffienciency wise, he is indeed worth a 1000 or more terrorists. That's the thing with most terrorists... The people they are most dangerous to are themselves, statistically anyway...


User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2062 times:
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Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 9):
There hasn't been proof of that in a couple years.

Just saw him on TV, is this enough proof?



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 12):

Just saw him on TV, is this enough proof?

The problem with TV is that video can be doctored. Heck, with the right equipment and know-how, I can make a video of myself having lunch with JFK.

I will believe he is alive and well when I see him in a warm embrace with his family.

Sorry if I seem cynical, but Hamas isn't exactly known for honesty.

Marc


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 13):
I can make a video of myself having lunch with JFK.

I'm sure that the authorities have made the appropriate investigations as to whether he is alive or dead by now.

Do you really think, all these high ranking Israeli officials, from Bibi, right down the line, would be involved in discussions like these, if they didn't have conclusive evidence that he was !

[Edited 2011-10-12 02:30:48]


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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

The Israeli government isn't stupid. I'm sure the deal will be arranged with a trustee in the middle, i.e. Shalit handed over to Egypt, the prisoners handed over to Egypt, they make sure everything's fine, then transfer them to their destination.

User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 6):
I'm sorry, but one soldier is not worth 1000 terrorists.

Really ?

Well that depends entirely on who's opinion you listen too, because this "deal" has a way to go before anyone is released.

And according to reports from the LA Times, both sides are now reflecting, on exactly what they have had to "give up" in order to get to this stage.

"Initial jubilation over the impending prisoner swap between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas began to dampen Wednesday as people on both sides expressed concerns that their leaders may have given away too much at the negotiating table."

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fgm-i...aliestinian-swap-m,0,4056743.story

Quoting racko (Reply 15):
The Israeli government isn't stupid.

Again, that very much depends on who your inclined to listen too. Plenty of Israelis think there Gov is stupid for agreeing to this deal, they feel its way to generous in favor of the Palestinians



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1803 times:
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CNN just announced that he was released.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/18/wo...prisoner-swap/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Edited 2011-10-18 00:02:27]


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16):
Again, that very much depends on who your inclined to listen too. Plenty of Israelis think there Gov is stupid for agreeing to this deal, they feel its way to generous in favor of the Palestinians

Cross fingers that Israel does not now decide to even up the numbers by re-arresting 999 of those released. Then again, "how to start an new intifada" is likely one of the documents right on top of Bibi's desk drawer.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1798 times:

Hamas has handed over Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit to Egyptian mediators after five years' captivity, as part of a prisoner swap deal with Israel, Hamas officials have told the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15339604

This is very good news.



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 18):
Cross fingers that Israel does not now decide to even up the numbers by re-arresting 999 of those released


No they will build more settlements to prove how much they are committed to peace.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
I see, you happen to know all the facts and that every single one of those "useless terrorists" were actually indeed terrorists.
However, our correspondent adds, Israel has paid a high price for Sgt Shalit's freedom. Many of the Palestinians being released were serving life for killing Israelis with bombs and bullets.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15339604

Not worth it Israel. Not worth it at all.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 18):
Cross fingers that Israel does not now decide to even up the numbers by re-arresting 999 of those released.

They won't need to. A good number will probably blow themselves up in terrorist attacks (or be shot by IDF/police to stop attacks), and those that aren't may jusr "disappear."

Marc


User currently offlineSFBdude From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1):
About time...Five years of holding a 19-year old hostage...In exchange for 1,000 prisoners. That, in a nutshell, is the difference between Israel and the Palestinians.

Glad to see Egypt playing a positive role in all this.

Doesn't matter if your 19 or 50. This guy was part of the IDF so to a lot of people, he was considered the terrorist.


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Quoting SFBdude (Reply 23):
Doesn't matter if your 19 or 50. This guy was part of the IDF so to a lot of people, he was considered the terrorist.

Then "a lot of people" don't know the definition of the word, terrorist.

In that spirit, I'm going to call the people who call IDF terrorists, terrorists. Makes sense.

asturias



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25 SFBdude : You've probably already considered those people terrorists anyways..
26 Post contains links TheCommodore : Well, I can see some parallels between the IDF and this definition of "terrorist". Sure plenty of others can too ! http://www.thefreedictionary.com/t
27 GDB : Nice for his family I guess. Still, this is on the watch on an Israeli PM who has not been slow to criticise other governments in not being strong on
28 Post contains links Baroque : So I suppose you have an explanation that about 150 Palestinian children down to 12 years in age are in Israeli military prisons for stone throwing.
29 SOBHI51 : Also let's not forget all those under administrative arrest, no charges and no limit for the time they are arrested.
30 Post contains links Baroque : Now it is at http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3343068.htm Yet with more than 160 Palestinian children in Israeli jails, children's righ
31 Cadet985 : They are warned not to, and they throw stones anyway. No problem with them being in jail. Marc
32 Baroque : And the confessions in Hebrew?????
33 SOBHI51 : And the administrative arrests with no court appearences and no charges? In the USA do you jail 12-14 years old for throwing a stone? I don't think s
34 Aesma : Gilad Shalit is also French so this is big news here. Some politicians surely will try to gain something from this, but apparently it can work for bot
35 Asturias : I'm sure you can. One can see parallels between apples and oranges too. It's a common, but fundamentally a logical error. Dogs have four legs. That t
36 SOBHI51 : Of course you don't see that, but shooting little children, women, using illegal ammunition in the war in Gaza, attacking civilian ships outside Isra
37 TheCommodore : The "actual" definitions were given in the links provided. You obviously didn't read them. The Israelis have be "warned" to STOP building settlements
38 Post contains images lewis : Yep, that sounds like a terrorist to me. This should also be implemented in the US. Imagine a walk in the park and a mother telling her child not to
39 N537FX : Honestly, what else do you expect to happen when you throw stones at people with guns and big weapons?? Israel is not quite a normal country, if i we
40 SOBHI51 : So she gets a free hand to treat Palestinians the way they do and grab lands belonging to them? Sorry that should not be allowed. And since when do y
41 N537FX : I'm not saying Israel is in the right here. But as parents, they have the responsibility to protect the safety and well being of their children. Turn
42 Springbok747 : Ok..kids generally don't listen to their parents. But this is a different situation. The outcome is known..throw rocks at the IDF = get arrested, or
43 Cadet985 : It does NOT belong to the Palestinians until a treaty is signed formally handing it over. Additionally, there is no such place as Palestine. The West
44 TheCommodore : Ahhhhh, So that's the reason why Israel continues to build..... No treaty, just more settlements. Sounds fair to you ? Not by a long shot. Oh come on
45 lewis : Honestly, going to jail without a trial and the parents not being notified of the location where the children are taken is not what I expect. And the
46 777way : Yes but you better see and read every link he has added in favour of the occupier, and those posted in favour of Palestine will be called "propaganda
47 Asturias : You obviously don't understand them. I know the definition of terrorsm, in fact it's quite correct in pretty much all dictionary references. You're c
48 Quokka : Such hyperbole. Meanwhile, those who shoot dead school girls fetching the milk are such heroes. I almost melt at the thought of how brave they are. K
49 Asturias : Indeed you can, and you can also miss the point as easily as engage in hyperbole it seems. Again; hybperbole: Not hyperbole, since it is qualified: M
50 Quokka : Despite the other people calling out to the driver to stop. Look, I know that in your eyes the Israelis can do no wrong compared to the Palestinians.
51 777way : Probably realised how wriong his country is but couldnt say much else to prevent agitating his countrymen.
52 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : The sooner both sides realize that they're partly responsible for this mess the sooner a sensible solution can be worked out. As simple as this sounds
53 Post contains images TheCommodore : Thank you for your advice, but I understand them very well. What I said was, is that I can see "similarities" Do the Israelis have the right to build
54 N537FX : Israel is carrying out this policy that may be extreme. They say to the Palestinians, the longer you wait to come to an arrangement, the more of the w
55 Cadet985 : THANK-YOU! There never was a country called Palestine. The West Bank was land captured from Jordan, and Gaza was captured from Egypt. Israel had at o
56 SFBdude : So you think Palestine is a myth? There were never any Palestinian people, no Palestinian currency, etc?
57 Cadet985 : The people living there can call themselves whatever they want, but "Palestine" never existed until the 1967 war when Israel captured the lands from J
58 SFBdude : Again, property deeds, currency, so on and so forth, mean nothing to you?
59 Baroque : This is beyond a bloody joke. PALESTINE Wiki: The British Mandate for Palestine, also known as the Palestine Mandate, The British Mandate of Palestine
60 Post contains links DeltaMD90 : ...you may be technically correct, but remember that the concepts of countries as we know them today are fairly new (within the last few centuries.)
61 777way : The above needed to be pointed out. Which means all of Palestine was to become Israel, or just some of it???
62 Baroque : If you go back to the Balfour declaration the original words do not envisage an Israel as for example Bibi and various a.net posters seem to think. F
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